/lit/ - Literature

>>7299368
Kek, don't listen to this guy

Read Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man or Hydriotaphia if you want good prose

>>5664086
Haven't read rules of attraction.

Less than Zero is a 200 page, extremely blank novel about a kid coming home from college for winter break. Bret wrote it when he was 21. It is a portrayal of a nihilistic and empty society, that of 80s Beverly Hills kids, doing drugs and some other really fucked up shit.

Glamorama is about a male model who fucks the coolest girl in the media (like a kim kardashian) as well as a few others, his life is awesome, then he opens a nightclub with his boss/friend (having an affair with his gf), and through a string of weird events ends up going to Europe to bring a girl back for an agency. He gets captured and forced to join a terrorist group of models ran by an old ex male model (Victor asks him "why me?" And he says "Baby, you think the Gaza Strip is a style of runway walking. You are perfectly ignorant and innocent, youd never betray me). They blow up shit, have orgies, everyone is terrified and paranoid of each other, kept in place by blackmail.
At the same time there is a camera crew following him around and you're really not sure if it's happening or not. The book gets weirder and weirder and planes blow up with confetti flying out of them and people take Xanax in Armani suits and fuck girls while sucking dick and smoke Marlboro menthols on mopeds

You decide which one sounds more "important"

>I hate life therefore I shall devalue beauty

or

Philosophy's goal from the start was to produce something like science, so really science is the fufillment and completion of philosophy.

There only reason there seems to be a disagreement is because of uncultured scientists and ignorant philosophy fans.

>>5587371
>As I said, even if it exists, it's epistemically inaccessible. There is no way of getting at it.
what's the point of thinking this? Don't you see that man is the measure of all things? Why do you fight so hard, so unreasonably, to secure this "Truth"? Are you that afraid to admit the emptiness you are securing?

>And?
Spooks, man. It's air.

Some models are more Rational than others but all models are within the System, and the System is a ghost. The most rational (lowercase r) conclusion is the absence of conclusion, including the absence of the nihilistic conclusion: life, the only thing there is which does not need grounding.

>>5587316
>As I said, whether Truth exists or not is beyond our means of cognition
What would this Truth be for? Who would it serve? Where would it be held? If not for us, then what good is it? This thought is residue from rationalism and monotheism.

>any other worldview besides the one of agnostic is irrational.
Who is going to stop you and tell you you're wrong if you make conclusions? No one. It's all talk, there is no overseer

>>5587291
Life, drinking, having sex with girls, reading, writing, music, art, sensual pleasures, enjoying myself

>>5587267
Years and years of caring about it all and eventually realizing it is a waste and all arguments for God, against God, for meaning, for Truth, are words reflecting on themselves.

>>5587182
Nope, because I know all that is bullshit

>>5587154
Truth (capital T) meaning human purpose and meaning, the questions of metaphysics, morality, that is to say, God

>>5586938
>what do you "do" with poetry?

What the fuck man

What do you do with song lyrics? With narrative books? With expressions? With quotes, soliloquies, aphorisms?

>>5587052
Let us say that we are discussing music theory and not simply music, so to speak

>>5587096
>/sci/

bbyy i'm invoking Heidegger and Lyotard's less retarded thought here I ain't no fedoratist

>>5587075
Scientific knowledge is attainable, narrative knowledge is not

truth exists
Truth doesn't exist

:-)

>>5587013
Science has legitimized itself to be an independent method of gaining knowledge.
Philosophy as an authorial or systematic discipline is no more.

However, one should still study philosophy to better their ability to think, to increase their knowledge on the history of truth, of meaning, of culture.
It's also interesting, and, as long as one does not think the conclusions of certain philosophies are the universe's true workings, perfectly harmless.

>>5586689
I admitted I never read it here: >>5584592

:^)

>>5585568
What music do you like?

>>5585545
>>5585545
Morrison is a genius but sometimes I feel ashamed to admit that I love (almost) all of his music, not for any real reason. Probably just because too many people think The Doors is Light My Fire or, worse, bad poetry

>>5585483
None of Wagner's music appeals to me except for Tristan und Isolde, maybe.
It is not a stereotype, for that is what he is. The Ring, seen as his magnum opus, is 16 hours long, overly dramatic (more than the Norse would like to perceive their gods), so disgusted with l'art pour l'art that it seeks to remove everything light and joyous in art, nationalistic, and so on.
Gotterdammerung is endlessly loud, and when it isn't being loud it's way too full of itself.
Wagner's artistic aim is problematic for many reasons, but I mostly dislike him simply because of his pomposity, both conceptually and musically.
I stop caring about classical music sometime mid-romanticism save for a few composers. Romanticism simply gets way too pompous and Modernism too retarded. So naming Puccini and Berg doesn't really affect me.

>>5585465
>>5585474
I forgot to include him, shit

>>5585464
Wagner is bombastic and long