/lit/ - Literature

Wife wants the computer, so good night lads.

>>3752691

This becomes even worse when time spans are skipped entirely using phrases such as "and then it came to pass that this and that happened" giving you absolutely no clue how long events were in-between.

As it happens, the "confusing" sections of time aren't connected to any teachings about salvation.

>>3752678

Thank you.

>>3752673

5. Time and years. These are -extremely- subjective. There are the years according to the Holy Calendar, there are the years according to the calendars of different nations. And then there are the years of Kings. In example; the 7th year of King Hezekiah.

Often times very little warning is given between switching the mode of "measuring" times, and the writer assumes that you know what he's talking about when he says "in the tenth year" and then nothing else, even if kings or the subject matter has changed.

>>3752660

3. Hyperbole. When God says "all" and "Everything". Very often there are exceptions, sometimes huge exceptions, to what is going on, and later it is explained that "all" or "everyone" or "everything" were used in the prefix of a prophecy as in "the entire world will be destroyed like in the days of Noah". The point is to teach us that the entire world will be destroyed, but to Noah, it was only the "known world", or his relative space in it. Which included ALL of the people of God, so as far as the people of God were concerned, their world did end.

For example. As soon as Noah got off the boat, with what, 8-16 people? All of them separated into different languages and went to go to other nations. Also Egypt still existed, along with Pharoah and all his men, they were not wiped out by the flood. Also Abraham had an extra 300 servants (or more) did they just magically appear? No. The story of the Flood contains two stories. First is the literal story, there was a flood indeed. Second is exaggerating how the "entire world" was underwater, in buildup for the prophecy "never again will I destroy mankind using a flood" into new covenenat "like in the days of noah there was the flood" and now literally it is the entire earth and all its people.

4. The bible repeats itself in different ways to get the point across: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/caiaphas.html

In example, all of those people are actually in the same room or on the way to the same place, they didn't go to different places.

>>3752626

That is a long list, and it would take me more than just right now to go through it all.

But I'm beginning to see where people are getting confused.

1. Assume you are a God-Fearing man. If the Lord gives a commandment, what is the only condition for not following it? The answer is, if God changes, replaces, or deletes the commandment by name; as it pleases him. Thus, later iterations of similar commands of the same name follow the most recent iteration. In example, if your father said "The Great Lawn Mowing" was on Monday, with one tractor on the front yard, and your blessing was 20 bucks. Then if later he says for that same 20 bucks, now "The Great Lawn Mowing" will be on Monday all day until the after-noon and use two tractors for both the front and back yards; then you do whatever your Father tells you to do. A prophet who says "The Lord Speaks:" is also words directly from god, for no scripture came about through the prophets own interpretation.

Such controversies are the reason why the Jews starting getting everything wrong, they stopped listening to God, as it is written clearly in the bible he's pissed at them and is even going to destroy Jerusalem because of it.

2. Genealogy rarely, if ever, mentions women. It also sometimes leaves out illegitimate births, servants, and all kinds of things. So actually a lot more people were around and they were all getting it on more often than you think, and many and often times anyone at least one step away from your bloodline "laterally" was fair game to bang also.

>cont...

>>3752606

Short answer: God did not contradict himself anywhere, the problem lies with incorrect human interpretations. Seeing metaphors where God did not express any, and missing metaphors where God gave clues he was talking about something else.

Long answer: Reading your link then will reply further.

>>3752550

Hmm that's an interesting question I never read it for the value of poetry.

I suppose Chapter 1 of Genesis would be the most poetical for me, as we believe its a constant train of metaphors and prophecies, not literal "derp 6 days and the earth is done, I have no idea what fossil layers are"

So when it talks about the waters its telling a story about people, and when its talking about the light of day its talking about the story of how God's spiritual revelation came to mankind, so many profound meanings for a 6,000 year plan condensed into one tiny chapter, very impressive to me, and i guess the word is "pretty" or "beautiful" to read.

>>3752569

I've started my first cover-to-cover read of it and I'm in exodus chapter 7 now. It is a rather intimidating amount to read, and the "fun" parts of the stories are in between tediously long ramblings. Though we value those too for historical or prophetical points.

I'm pretty sure your seeing references to "Book","Chapter","Verse" which help you navigate quickly to what you want to read.

Or footnotes about verses related to a notation made by the publisher.

>>3752571

>I have never looked at a globe
>I don't know ancient history
>I don't think what someone 600bc wrote is important, even if it has been coming true across 1000 years after his death.

Some people see this and think it is more than just a book. Indeed I know it, and believe it.

>>3752490

I'm more of a /tg/ guy, I too find it difficult not to feed the trolls.

>>3752476

1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
James 1:5
Matthew 7:7-8

>Followed by:

Luke 22:19-20
John 6:53-54

>>3752471

Also my gamertag is Dowjin in fact I've used Dowjin for pretty much everything so the name may crop up in places since before I went full throttle christian.

>>3752464

I vaguely understood it but didn't want to foot-in-mouth myself.

But I agree, summer is nigh.

ubright

>>3752440

I have a couple google hits for that but I must confess ignorance to the meme.

>>3752433

As you wish.

>>3752421
>>3752425

God bless you.

>>3752416

Actually that's exactly what a lot of people believed of the original cults of Jesus, they kept talking about eating his flesh and blood; because they continued to keep passover.

Even hiding from authorities in crypts because they were afraid of being arrested and killed, which in hindsight only made matters worse.

>>3752410

You can make a thread and discuss the books and literature pertaining to your faith if you want, please don't feel confined to this thread.

>>3752392

I think that gnosticism as a whole is good, for everything idealized by it is in line with not only making people on earth happy, but also practicing the love and commandments of Christ.

It is said that such people may be "judged according to their morals", and may even have a chance for heaven through Jesus giving them mercy after judging their deeds.

Christian gnosticism is a little different, because it begins to base itself upon the word of God, and then immediately forgets that there is a whole bible to read in addition to "love and kindness".

If such people deny commandments of Christ in favor of gnosticism, this may endanger their chance to be judged according to their morals; no matter how good they are.

All that being said, I believe both are vastly lacking, and prefer by far the solemn promise of Christ that he will resurrect me if I keep the passover eating the bread and wine which is his flesh and blood.

>>3752352

The Game? I don't understand what your implying.

I'd recommend looking up "Ad ignorantiam" and "Tautology" before taking that hypnotism suggestion any further.

My experience with hypnotism, having tried it before and having tried administering it once upon a time when I was pagan, is that its garbage. I studied for a long time and tried really hard too, didn't work. Protip: most of the examples you see on TV are staged.

But thank you for your input.

>>3752156

No, I don't believe that. We believe, as it is written, that the 144,000 saints go into heaven along with the Great Multitude. These are two groups of people who both go to heaven.

It is written that while everyone is going to heaven; those who'se names could not be found in the book of life, were hurled into the fiery lake. So those are the only people who do not go into heaven.

The only difference between the 144,000 and the Great Multitude is that the 144,000 don't have to die before ascending into heaven.

>>3752187

She is the spiritual bride, not the physical bride, they were not physically married; only ceremonially.

As it is written that Jesus was made like man in every way, Father and Mother have shared in our humanity as examples and prophecies. That is what we believe.

We believe in her because Father's sermons testified to her coming, along with his handwritten books which say "I follow mother" among many other things.

So while there are people who call us a cult, we testify that we have heard the truth. Regardless of any controversies, which we are well informed of and not concerned with.

>>3752148

As a wmscog member, I can attest I was not hypnotized, nor do I hypnotize other people, and in fact the entire idea of hypnotism is garbage except for the most extreme cases of near-sleep meditation.

Also back from dinner.

>>3752165

It is written that the holy city Jerusalem is a spiritual city in heaven, not a literal city. That is what we believe. It is something unlike mankind has ever seen, nor is it a literal place with gates that will magically hover over Israel or even more ridiculously crash into earth.

It is said that she is our mother. That is what we believe.

"Let us make man in our image" "male and female" That is what we believe.

"Shall we allow man to eat the tree of life and become like one of us?" That plural is what we believe.

So when it is written that the Spirit and his Bride will be revealed in the last days, that is what we believe. There are other studies about it, but these verses should be enough to show that it is not unreasonable to believe in Father and Mother together as one God.

>>3752180

We believe that was very true for an extended period of time.

>>3752140

It was a joke, there is no hypnotism.

>>3752129

But hypnotizing is less effort for them too!

>>3752115

Or I can just not cuss like that, and keep the tone of my voice calm.

Less effort that way.

>>3752082
>>3752091

Thanks, but I'm a preacher, not a Clown. I maintain that I thought of that one all on my own without prompting.

>>3752096

Careful man I almost cut myself on your edges.