/lit/ - Literature

>>18732219
Do you know what Chud means? It’s so funny to actually have read Marx, because nobody knows what box to put you in.

I’m not going to argue with you, but I will tell you how I’m right: actually read Marx. Read Marx, stop getting your “Marxism” from YouTube videos. Maybe even consult a uni professor for a list of the most important works written by Karl Marx.

Then come and make a thread citing how Karl Marx was pro-trans and BLM. If you do that, I’ll concede. But first, read Karl Marx before arguing that he’s pro-trans. Read just one Marx book before claiming to know it.

>>18728246
I addressed that in the first paragraph, but you don’t read. That’s actually why you believe Marx had “core ideas” that somehow translate into BLM and trannyism: because the only Marx you know lives in your head.

I’m not even a Marxist or advocating Marx, but if he makes you seethe so much maybe you should actually read him so you know what actually bothers you so much.

>>18727466
It's ok. What have you read so far?

>>18725871
No, absolutely none. Genuinely. There's not even an "essence" in Marxism that people like Jordan Peterson claim leads to this kind of thinking. Same with Black Lives Matter or any of that. I think it comes from Marx being a kind of icon of revolutionary subversion at most.

Not to mention, Marx wrote several essays critiquing the emerging concept of rights and attacked liberalism generally throughout his works. He also thought non-class-based revolutionary movements were kind of sub-revolutions within the bourgeoise to help maintain itself, sort of like temporary breaks on a car that's about to go out of control. As the petit bourgeoise descends, they cling to anything to keep themselves from becoming proletariats (this actually was explicitly in the Communist Manifesto).

Feminism, LGBTQ+, BLM are all completely counter to anything Marxist. He's sort of become an ideological Che Guevara shirt being sold at the Wal-Mart of American ideology.

I don’t have all time favorites. If I was trapped on an island I’d like a book that keeps on giving so I’d probably choose the Bible.

The last fiction book(s) I truly loved were Satantango and Melancholy of Resistance. I think I may have preferred the former.

Are we still asking this? It’s Balthasar gracian and always has been.

>>18703988
>that's what they get for peddling wokeshit.
You have it backwards, woke is an act of desperation. If you work in a big corporation it’s usually despair or bad PR that leads to going woke. Publishers were going under so they become politically virtuous, the most marketable kind. The kinds of people that run these companies would sell black people’s skin as suits if it was more profitable— they didn’t actually “go woke”

>>18711971
Definitely Man and His Symbols, he actually wrote/ compiled the book as an introduction to his terms and work. It’s the skeleton key. People who haven’t read it are Jung LARPers.

>>18706776
Yes, otherwise we’ll assume she’s a male.

>>18706311
Mammon.

>>18696155
Most people will object to your statement because they don’t understand philosophical arguments and they think they can proceed by denying any premise. They don’t understand that most philosophical debates wouldn’t actually proceed with someone saying “prove suffering is bad,” because it is a gateway to absurd thinking and the argument becomes bogged down in something uninteresting like base semantics. They don’t understand that it’s possible for a philosophical argument to halt because it has become to absurd or ridiculous, as is the case with proving or not proving “suffering is undesirable.”

>>18695854
The only more pro-Jewish president than Trump might be Biden, and even that’s unlikely. The fact you have to be told this just shows how much they got you.

>>18694742
>humans and bananas have a common ancestor

Good to see some people actually read Gravity’s Rainbow this summer.

>>18695369
I knew a guy that reading 1000 Plateaus and he’d just shrug every time I asked him what it was about, or he’d say something weird like “black bodies” or “bodies without organs” and say he didn’t know how to explain it.

I really have no interest in that French gobbledeegook. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re just posturing because they have no more areas of dominance, like they used to do with French wines.

>>18694275
I’m glad it works for alcoholics but it’s such a half step for genuine spirituality. Every alcoholic I know has to maintenance themselves spiritually constantly to keep from sliding so far down it’s unreal, and half of them aren’t trustworthy years after reading the book and maintenancing themselves into sobriety. Half of these people would find exactly what they needed if they stopped trying to sidestep the problem of God with a “higher power” or “something outside myself” and genuinely humbled themselves before God.

Even Jordan Peterson’s wishfully secular Christianity will probably free a person more, but I wouldn’t know— I don’t associate with alcoholics nor am I one.

>>18679882
Of Grammatology by Jacques Derrida. Couldn’t understand a single sentence.

>>18681002
I’m going to make a causation/correlation fallacy but Ancient Greece and Rome saw declines in birth rates when their turning point hit. Only, I haven’t read Spengler but the enormous amount of cost associated with having kids (or attracting a woman for that matter) is probably driving the trend here.

>>18676965
Honestly, I think the teachings of Jesus are pretty complete.

>>18675000
What flag is that? Nice trips btw

>>18674832
Yeah but the carefully guided “science” that makes up a huge portion of psychology is often more embarrassing. Not saying psychology is devoid of bad science, just that it’s brimming over with garbage science as well, and Jung’s theory of the mind is incredibly insightful.

>>18675633
Having confidence or seductive techniques with nothing to back it up won’t work though. There’s no magic. It’s no different than the really commanding and bossy manager at a Wal-Mart. He has his place where his power works but around hedge fund managers he could be told to put on a dress and drink their urine and he’d do it.

Similar problem with 48 Laws of Power, actually. The book has good advice but if you master it and you’re a McDonald’s worker with 0 education and no status it will just turn you into a creep.

>>18666138
I heard his War book was cringe af. As much as it gets trashed on here the Art of War itself is a very, very good book especially if you can get a translation with commentaries from Chinese philosophers and strategists. Not a “forbidden knowledge” book but anyone interested in International Relations, war, and to some degree politics is depriving themselves without Sun Tzu.

>>18671763
David Foster Wallace, not memeing but for real.

>>18671662
He was referring to the Bush and good ol’ boy types back then. I think this might be from Man Without a Country but I remember the context of this were the decadent Republicans and not current degenerates.