/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.9314388]

Why people become manchildren? Why do they y read genre fiction like fantasy and sci-fi?
How do modern philosophy and sociology explain it?

[Anonymous No.9314394]

Define manchild

[Anonymous No.9314408]

>>9314388
People dont see the point of being mature, active parts of society anymore. They'd rather live in a fantasy world, the kind in which they can deny they are responsible adults.

[Anonymous No.9314418]

I think the better question is "how do people become so delusionally obsessed with arbitrary hierarchies of value that they feel justified in criticizing others' literary choices when they spend a bulk of their time posting funny pictures on a Hungarian cheese-making platform"

[Anonymous No.9314428]

>>9314418
I find your relativism quite disturbing

[Anonymous No.9314430]

>>9314394
having a wh40k tattoo

[Anonymous No.9314436]

>>9314428
I'm not a relativist. I just think it's hypocritical for an anon to be criticizing somebody else's taste when he chooses to spend his own free time so pathetically. He is being the relativist, he just doesn't know it

[Anonymous No.9314438]

Culture is humanity's attempt to create working behavioural protocols to cope with the world.
The interplay between individuals, their physical and psychological characteristics, the cultural products (philosophy, literature, cinema, cooking recipes, the idea of family, architectural norms, etc.) they are immersed in and a myriad other factors ends up creating their idiosyncratic behaviours, which we then term culture in an endless loop.
Manchild-ism isn't necessarily better or worse than anything else, the question is if it's a working, efficient set of actions and ideas that one can adopt (even subconsciously) to live and work-with the world - and it seems to me that, in this precise juncture, this protocol is doing its "job".

>>9314394
Also this.

[Anonymous No.9314580]

>>9314388
You know his facial expression really reminds me of Bloom.

Bloom, incidentally, loves Science Fiction and Fantasy.

[Anonymous No.9314588]

>>9314418
>Hungarian

we're moving out of asia now i see

[Anonymous No.9314620]

/sffg/ GTFO

[Anonymous No.9314673]

>>9314588
I've seen Lithuanian, Moroccan, Peruvian, etc all used in the past

[Anonymous No.9314684]

Reminder to report off-topic threads so mods can delete them and ban the OP.

[Anonymous No.9314786]

>>9314388
>Why do they y read genre fiction like fantasy and sci-fi?

[Anonymous No.9314888]

>>9314388
I mean what are we really talking about? It's the lack of transition from childlike fiction or "fantastical fiction" to fiction of the real world. It's people who don't transition from kings and kings to family sitcoms and football. Artistically and intellectually they're on the same level but one is just more detached from reality. It's not like most people are ever going around reading real literature or patrician shit all the time. It's one form of garbage to the other.

I think one of the causes of the delayed and eliminated transition to adulthood is the over-influence from maternal figures and maternal conception of the world. When children are very young they need to be kept close to the mother and protected from everything harmful from the outside world. Eventually they should undergo a transition to young adulthood around puberty and get out of this soft, cuddly, womblike social expectations to a more fatherly, masculine world of accepting the realities of life and dealing with problems instead of avoiding them. At least that was my experience with childhood. Manchildren are most had this sort of upbringing.

I think this is working at the individual level of mothers thinking they know more than the father even into late adolescence but also the pervasiveness of our social freedoms works in the same way. In today's social mores you really aren't allowed to criticize anyone for liking damn near anything. At least on the face of things you should be able to be into really terrible weird shit and not be subject to harsh criticism as long as you enjoy yourself and "aren't hurting anyone else". Of course this isn't actually how the world works and the world breaks its own rules.

People will judge you, those things you like are childish, plastering your house doctor who memorabilia is embarrassing, and so on. Manchildren don't realize this and continue doing childish, easy, fun things.

[Anonymous No.9314946]

>>9314580
FUCK

[Anonymous No.9314947]

>>9314888
Good answer
>>9314786
Why do not get fun from real literature?

[Anonymous No.9315122]

who cares?

[Anonymous No.9315137]

>>9315122
I care

[Anonymous No.9315147]

estrogen in food, excess disposable income and the Americanisation of the world

[Anonymous No.9315158]

>>9314888
Trips of truth.

[Anonymous No.9315165]

>>9314388
http://nietzsche.holtof.com/reader/friedrich-nietzsche/the-gay-science/aphorism-3-quote_a62156e6f.html

Basically unexamined life, lack of ambition and self-awareness, inability of being arbitrary.

This guy >>9314418 is a good example of it: he's so devoid of any sort of value that anything that is not cheap mindless hedonism looks nonsense to him. He has basically forgot how to be a human being.

[Anonymous No.9315204]

>>9315165
Not him, but all that guy did was call OP a hypocrite for calling others manchildren and simultaneously posting here. I know you love to shove Nietzsche into every argument but please read the posts first.

[Anonymous No.9315205]

>>9315147
That poor kid

>tfw I know how it is to grow up with a beta male father

Almost fucked my entire life up.

Why can't shitty people be sterilized?

[Anonymous No.9315212]

>>9314388
Some dude wrote evasion in the last post. Not many people replied to him but he hit it on the head imo, at least when looking at the direct cause and not the causes of the cause.

It's the path of least resistance and that's incredibly tempting.

[Anonymous No.9315219]

Pic related

[Anonymous No.9315220]

>>9315204
That guy said that there is no room for criticism unless you're already sorted out, even if the arguments for that criticism is lampant. I hate to resort to fallacies, but this is an ad hominem.
Also in the first part of the post he devalues virtue, on the basis that the guy who praised it may be a loser.
Also, that aphorism is exactly about what is being discussed here. I'm not pulling it out of my ass, it was actually instrumental to this discussion, you pretentious hack.

[Anonymous No.9315278]

>>9315147
>Mother has dark hair
>Father has dark hair
>Child is blonde
What's going on here...

[Anonymous No.9315281]

>>9315220
You said he is
>so devoid of any sort of value that anything that is not cheap mindless hedonism looks nonsense to him.

I wasn't defending his argument, I was attacking your use of unsubstantiated personal attack because he implied someone was a hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.9315285]

>>9315278
A lot of children have blonde hair when they're young but it becomes increasingly brown/black due to staying inside all day.

I speak from experience, I used to have golden hair but now it is dark brown.

Sucks when your parents don't force you to go outside.

[Anonymous No.9315291]

>>9315285
What I meant to say is no sunlight = hair turns dark

I am a bit drunk

[Anonymous No.9315399]

how to kick away /sffg/ to /tg/? Genre fiction should not be discussed in so patrician place as /lit/.

[Anonymous No.9315416]

Why do people pride themselves on telling everyone, or at least letting everyone know their obsession with Star Wars. I mean, there are other, arguably better films. Watching the same thing over and over has to be boring beyond belief

[Anonymous No.9315426]

Why do people waste their lifes studying philosophy or literature if they could study something useful like mathematics or physics?

[Anonymous No.9315492]

>>9315416
In the 90's and 00's there was a growing adulation of the nerdy intellectual who liked things like all that nerdy pop culture shit. They were often the underdog protagonist who defeated the sports loving jocks with their massive intellect.

Lots of kids raised on that media who didn't quite fit in decided to latch their identity around conforming to that stereotype as a means of identity and self-esteem.

[Anonymous No.9315502]

>>9315278
It's abvious he let his wife fucka nother man/. It's the new thing these days haven't you heards about it? Iw as just stopping by the deli for to p[ick up a sandwhich for Sharon and myself and was I just talkingto Shmoegel about it. If you're white, over 5'8", or drive a car worth over $10,000, the best rthing to do is let your wife fuck another ma. why dont you do the mat heimrich? black hair plus black hair equals blonde? What a gas! at night he took hger to the unmarked gas station we all meet at, I myself brought a couple literal horses, and for hours she was gifted with unholy seed! Swine, reptiles, equines, flightless avians, thirty thousand red ants shoved up her pussy. we smoked crack coccaine and screamed at the moon all night. Anyway there's your answer.

[Anonymous No.9315539]

>>9315492
Then again, why is Star Wars still revered today? It's grown so popular that now "jocks" swear by it and make pilgrimage to midnight screenings. Surely watching and reading up in the same universe/fiction gets absolutely boring

[Anonymous No.9315546]

>>9315220
>>9315281
Lol guys I was just shitposting, no need to fight over me

[Anonymous No.9315568]

>>9314388
People always read shitty books. Go to an old book store and buy some old books that aren't classics, it's all literally worse than modern YAshit. We only idealize the past as a time when books were good because we only remember the 0.1% of books published in the past that were actually worth reading. If anything, that ratio might even be a little higher today than it used to be.

[Anonymous No.9315589]

>>9314436
Dude...dude

[Anonymous No.9315607]

>>9315205
Tell me, how is it to grow up with a beta male father?

[Anonymous No.9315639]

>>9315607
It sucks.

Your primary role model is a loser who is just passive-aggressive, has below-average social skills and in general is unambitious.

It just made me feel ashamed so often during my childhood.

Every other kid had an awesome dad with a cool job, who has a few skills outside of his job and who in general are well-spoken and educated.

And my cuck father has his shitty paperpusher job that a 16-year-old could do, absolutely zero hobbies and speaks like a timid /r9k/ cuck.

I had absolutely zero direction in life except a general "hurr get a job", and no help in regards to it, I could not cook, I never cleaned my room because my parents did not care if it was a shithouse, I had terrible social skills and the only thing that they cared about were my grades that were always decent.

Basically, if my grades were decent I could've been a diaper-wearing transsexual who fucks dogs and they would not care as long as I would get a job.

But thankfully I started reading about self-improvement and that kind of shite and met a lot of decent people, and I am currently unfucking my shit.

But if I ever have a kid I'll make damn sure that I won't make the same mistake as my lazy, apathetic parents.

[Anonymous No.9315651]

>>9315639
sounds awful
I've been thinking a lot about having children (theoretically, I'm a fucking shutin) and I don't even know if it would be a good idea given my personality traits

[Anonymous No.9315667]

>>9315651
Well, you have to change yourself, be the father that would've liked as a kid.

That is what I am going to do.

But if you don't manage to learn that, please don't have children, not even joking.

We don't need more socially retarded robots who excel in math and nothing else.

[Anonymous No.9315672]

>>9315502
what the fuck is this a reference to?>>9315212
>It's the path of least resistance and that's incredibly tempting.
this
>>9315205
>tfw I know how it is to grow up with a beta male father
So my dad was a blue collar (went to soviet polytech) dude from eastern europe. old-timey alkie, easy to anger, but in general more of an old fashioned dad than an abusive alkie dad. My stepdad was about 10 years younger than him, had a masters, not exactly a beta but definitely kindof a manlet.
Now i don't know about you, but i think i'd rather have a beta dad who could have prepared me for being a good student than an alpha who gives me arbitrary outdated values which fail to improve my condition in the culture i grow up in.
if your dad is both a beta AND a dumbass then that's a different story.
>>9315568
I didn't realize this until i was in high school and it was pretty significant in stoping me from being a muh born in the wrong generation
but i have no idea what this has to do with the OP's question

[Anonymous No.9315683]

>>9315651
No offense bud, don't have kids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcx-nf3kH_M

[Anonymous No.9315686]

>>9315416
Contemporary culture in America revolves around performing interest in capitalist distractions, be they identity politics or nerdiness

[Anonymous No.9315704]

>>9315683
Nah, other people can not have kids in my place if it is so bad
>>9315667
I don't know what father I would have liked as a kid. I like my dad, but he was a bit too prone to anger when I was younger.

[Anonymous No.9315768]

>>9315686
But there are nerds all over the world not just America

[Anonymous No.9315772]

>>9314408
So.... if you have a job, you are not a manchild. Boom. Anything else is just whining from a dried-out rostie or a christian pol-tard who thinks we need to breed white children because 1488.

[Anonymous No.9315778]

>>9314888
Very, very bad answer.

[Anonymous No.9315792]

sociology isn't interested in the tastes of people. you'd have to branch out to cultural studies for that kind of explanation.

[Anonymous No.9315793]

>>9315639
I'm sorry anon, but it really sounds like you're just getting worse.

Read actual literature, and speak to actual people.

[Anonymous No.9315809]

>>9315793
Damn, I didn't realize that I wasn't talking to actual people, sorry.

[Anonymous No.9315976]

>>9315809
Did you think I misspoke.

[Anonymous No.9317157]

>>9315639
iktf except my dad has some hobbies and a half decent engineering job so it's not so bad I guess

[Anonymous No.9317419]

>>9315667
>We don't need more socially retarded robots who excel in math and nothing else.

...But that's precisely what we need. You think brainlets like you are gonna be employable in the world of robots?

[Anonymous No.9317423]

>>9314388
Being ugly and self-aware

[Anonymous No.9317513]

>>9317423
So ugly people read fantasy or fantasy attracts ugly people?

[Anonymous No.9317516]

>>9314388
>(((modern))) philosophy and sociology
This is why

[Anonymous No.9317634]

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[Anonymous No.9317639]

>>9317513
It's all circumstancial. They might choose whatever form of escapism they please. I learn sanskrit

[Anonymous No.9317688]

>>9315539
the truth is that "jocks" have that obsessive autistic drive too, they just have more acceptable outlets like madden and fantasy sports.

[Anonymous No.9317710]

>>9315137
Why? What's your concern?

[Anonymous No.9317715]

>>9315539
Why do atheists celebrate Christmas? It's about excuses to connect with others in an easy, shallow way.

[Anonymous No.9317720]

>>9317419
The robots do the math and guide us into space, the people do drugs, counsel and fuck each other along the way.

[Anonymous No.9317731]

>>9317720
don't let reddit hype you up, you're gonna be pretty disappointed in twenty years

[Anonymous No.9317750]

>>9317731
I'm already disappointed, anon. But I sure as shit ain't scared of no robots taking jobs. They can fucking have them.

[Anonymous No.9317848]

What's wrong with sci-fi, especially when it's made by writers like Dick and Lem?

[Anonymous No.9317868]

>>9317848
Agreed anon... Sci-fi is deep...

[Anonymous No.9317878]

>>9315639
Go to sleep Elliot Rodger

[Anonymous No.9317921]

>>9317868
I'm not talking about shitty shows for numales like Star Wars, for God's sake

[Anonymous No.9317923]

>>9317921
What's diffrence? Genre fiction is genre fiction.

[Anonymous No.9317945]

>>9317923
Are you allergic to space ships or something?

[Anonymous No.9317954]

>>9317923
So for you Moby Dick it's at the same level of Pirates of Caribbean because they're both of the same genre?

[Anonymous No.9317963]

>>9317954
There is no "genre" in high literature. If you say word "genre" on /lit/ you shoud probably leave this place and go to /tg/.
>>9317945
Space ships (how they described in sci-fi) don't exist. Why should I care?

[Anonymous No.9317968]

>>9317963
All works of fiction are fakery and don't represent reality. Why do you care about them?

[Anonymous No.9317971]

>>9317968
>All works of fiction are fakery and don't represent reality
It's completely wrong, ned. Naturally, the author will invent a story. But the characters, their actions, interaction with each other, their speech is a reflection of the reality in which the author lives.

[Anonymous No.9317973]

>>9317963
Sci fi isn't all spaceships lasers and adventures like Shitty Wars, there is much more...Maybe you should read more about it, you ignorant

[Anonymous No.9317984]

>>9317971
All fiction is some form of reflection in which the author lives. I would be very impressed with the author that managed to pull a book from unreality.

[Anonymous No.9317985]

>>9317973
"Star Trek isn't all spaceships lasers and adventures like Shitty Wars, there is much more...Maybe you should read more about it, you ignorant"
Typical nerd speech as you see

[Anonymous No.9317989]

>>9317984
What's wrong with the sci-fi and fantasy so that the authors focus on the story, forgetting about everything else. If author is trying to bring something out of reality, then the nerds are usually dissatisfied (for example, aliens speak English in Star Gate)

[Anonymous No.9317993]

>>9317989
Please talk about actual book-related examples and not bad american tv shows.

[Anonymous No.9317999]

>>9317985
""Nerd""
Prove me that you aren't a basement dwelling fatass. Also my point is still valid, you didn't disprove it

[Anonymous No.9318003]

>>9317993
>actual book-related examples
But i don't read sci-fi mate.
>>9317999
>Prove me that you aren't a basement dwelling fatass.
I don't read sci-fi or fantasy. That's it.
>Also my point is still valid
No it isn't/ It isn't point to valid about sorry. You talk like "THERE IS GOOD SCI FI I DARE YOU". I dare you, any Star Wars fag will say something like that.

[Anonymous No.9318024]

>>9318003
> its bad but I don't read it enough to even use one literary example
Great job anon

[Anonymous No.9318027]

>>9318024
You don't need to eat shit to understand it's shit.

[Anonymous No.9318062]

>>9318027
> food analogies
Am I on /v/?

[Anonymous No.9318198]

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[Anonymous No.9318216]

>>9318003
Harold Bloom tried to write his own sci-fi fanfic about Voyage to Arcturas. Plus there's the existence of Dhalgren. Also, Gravity's Rainbow is sci-fi, and even if you disagree with that Pynchon's written less ambiguous SFF. And then there's Borges.
>>9317963
Tragedy is a genre.

[Anonymous No.9318224]

>>9318216
Tragedy is a form not genre, baka.

>Harold Bloom tried to write his own sci-fi fanfic about Voyage to Arcturas. Plus there's the existence of Dhalgren. Also, Gravity's Rainbow is sci-fi, and even if you disagree with that Pynchon's written less ambiguous SFF. And then there's Borges.

I've read Harry Potter in 14. So? It doesn't make sci-fi more then moneymaking from nerds.

[Anonymous No.9318242]

Because anime is great

[Anonymous No.9318243]

>>9315205
>>9315639
Fucking retards. Try growing up with a single mother and the thousand boyfriends she's had over the years, you privileged normalfag cunts. My shit is so beyond the possibility of being unfucked that it's not even funny

[Anonymous No.9318248]

Why would I want to embrace reality when I can have an ideal world inside my head?

[Anonymous No.9318257]

>>9318224
>Tragedy is a form not genre
That's not what wikipedia says, bucko.
>I've read Harry Potter in 14. So?
Yeah. So? I'm finding it difficult to see what you think you mean, anon.
>>9318248
t. enlightened Spaniard

[Anonymous No.9318268]

>>9318242
anime is /lit/

[Anonymous No.9318271]

>>9318268
Is that the anime about the girl who reads books all the time? Because that pic is fucking hilarious

[Anonymous No.9318277]

>>9318003
>science fiction is shit
>But i don't read sci-fi mate

[Anonymous No.9318285]

>>9318257
>Tragedy is a form of drama based on human suffering that invokes an accompanying catharsis or pleasure in audiences
are you retard?
>I'm finding it difficult to see what you think you mean, anon.
My point is, we all do some nerd shit when we are kids\young adults. Why Pynchon or Bloom can't?
>>9318277 ===> >>9318027

[Anonymous No.9318291]

>>9318285
Stop typing like a smelly brazilian.

[Anonymous No.9318295]

>>9318291
>manchild projection

[Anonymous No.9318297]

>>9318285
>are you retard?
Are you?
>Why Pynchon or Bloom can't?
Bloom was fifty. Pynchon was 75.

[Anonymous No.9318298]

>>9318295
Project that third world stink somewhere else, please.

[Anonymous No.9318319]

>>9314947
"Literature" is a genre, and a particularly boring one. If I wanted realistic characters I'd talk to people in person.

[Anonymous No.9318393]

>>9318319
Leave /lit/ please. I hope /tg/ would be fun for you.

[Anonymous No.9318469]

>>9314388
In terms of contribution to society, theres no difference between sci-fi manchildren and fedora wearing litfags. As for non-autistic people, it's just a preference, some like athmosphere and lore, some like philosophical circlejerking.

[Anonymous No.9318484]

>>9315639
>I had absolutely zero direction in life except a general "hurr get a job", and no help in regards to it

You just seem bitter that your parents weren't members of a professional or business owning class that could've easily handed/trained you up for a guaranteed job.

Honestly your parents were pretty decent people in the grand scheme of things. You're just an ungrateful peice of shit who hates being a prole. Only person blocking you is yourself. At least you;ve realised that, but don't blame mummy and daddy for being the way they are.

[Anonymous No.9318493]

>>9318469
>In terms of contribution to society,

[Anonymous No.9318509]

>>9315772
t. manchildman

[Anonymous No.9318510]

>>9314436

[Anonymous No.9318512]

>>9315285
>A lot of children have blonde hair when they're young
right
>but it becomes increasingly brown/black due to staying inside all day.
wrong

t.biology student

[Anonymous No.9318521]

>>9318512
Your hair can become temporarily darker from no sun though

[Anonymous No.9318525]

>>9318521
it can but that's not the reason children have blonde hair. it's just a developmental thing, and it's only in white kids. your hair doesnt go from light blonde to dark brown just from the sun

same as a lot of kids have blue eyes when born. i did, go dark brown eyes now

[Anonymous No.9318528]

>>9318525
>and it's only in white kids.
*mostly

i think, anyways

[Anonymous No.9318532]

>>9318525
Yeah I know, he probably just confused the two phenomena is what I'm saying

[Anonymous No.9318712]

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[Anonymous No.9319004]

>>9314388
>get out of this soft, cuddly, womblike social expectations to a more fatherly, masculine world of accepting the realities of life and dealing with problems instead of avoiding them.
Where the fuck did you get this from? Why do you think people who enjoy genre fiction and sci-fi are somehow less adult like in dealing with life?

>I think one of the causes of the delayed and eliminated transition to adulthood
That's your definition of Adulthood. Some would say the definition of Adulthood is to stop giving a fuck what strangers think of their tastes.

>In today's social mores you really aren't allowed to criticize anyone for liking damn near anything.
You can criticise, but you'll be viewed as an obnoxious 'stop liking what I don't like' asshat, and rightly so.

> those things you like are childish, plastering your house doctor who memorabilia is embarrassing
And? What exactly is wrong with that? You can't expect everyone to appeal to your own opinions about what an Adult should and shouldn't do.

>Manchildren don't realize this and continue doing childish, easy, fun things.
As long as the Adults support themselves while doing those things, there is nothing wrong with that.

[Anonymous No.9319076]

>>9319004
t. butthurt manchild

[Anonymous No.9319096]

>>9315278
You can't be this ignorant of highscool-tier genetics

[Anonymous No.9319099]

>>9318003
You talk like quill dipping faggot

[Anonymous No.9319340]

>>9314436
you're right

[Anonymous No.9319349]

>>9314438
i agree with you, but wouldn't manchildism be exactly the opposite of what you're suggesting? manchildren are people who can't adapt to the culture and thus avoid and shy away from it

[Anonymous No.9319358]

>>9319076
t. butthurt manchild

[Anonymous No.9319364]

>>9315278
>what are recessive genes

[Anonymous No.9319620]

>>9319364

What are recessive genes?

[Anonymous No.9319641]

>>9319620
short shorts

[Anonymous No.9319653]

>>9314388
videogames
internet
porn

[Anonymous No.9320558]

>>9314888
does "doing what you want" fall under the same category as "human rights/body autonomy?"

[Anonymous No.9320562]

>>9318243
story time

[Anonymous No.9320584]

We live in a micromanaged extremely safe society with a nanny state where all masculinity is punished and frowned upon and being docile and domesticated is celebrated.

Of course people are becoming infantilised. Don't expect masculinity where it is neither required nor rewarded.

[Anonymous No.9320586]

>>9314588
>the eternal hun
>not fresh from the steppes

[Anonymous No.9320595]

imagine being so pussy you make this thread

[Anonymous No.9320626]

>>9320584
Manchildren wield "swords" and pay homage to imagined Nordic ancestors. Read Gor, or don't.

[Anonymous No.9321447]

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[Anonymous No.9321451]

>>9320584
dude stop it, you going to end up hanging yourself. Go full cold turkey; no /pol/, no Milo, nothing. Just read real print media and books

[Anonymous No.9321826]

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[Anonymous No.9322351]

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[Anonymous No.9322425]

>>9315672
Dad's a construction engineer. Laid back dude generally, likes a pint but never goes overboard. Kind of old school without being a retrograde asshole, but he has instilled some conservative values in me that I cherish. We're strangely different politically since he's a bit more on the authoritarian side and I've always been social democrat. I suppose we're a kind of typical middle class East Yuro family.

[Anonymous No.9322447]

>>9322425
>he has instilled some conservative values in me that I cherish
KEKED

[Anonymous No.9322794]

>>9314388
spooks about them having innate "racial superiority". Their wolrd view turns into "humans vs orcs" and they dwell in ignorance for sometime, some recover some get lost in idiocy.

[Anonymous No.9322852]

>>9315639
>This description fits me almost to a T

How do I un-beta myself, /lit/?

[Anonymous No.9322929]

>>9314388
>philosophy
>explaining anything
philosophy can and should over ever be a personal pursuit to inform your own actions

[Anonymous No.9323092]

>>9315667
I've done this. Feels good man. Also with kids you can indulge some of the manchild shite that's been preprogrammed into you. After it's passed it's time, I'll fully purge myself.

The only problem is society is now beyond saturated & denying it is to swim against the tide. Also life seems a bit too austere without a sweet Boba Fett figure on the shelf. Anyone here living a near manchild clear life?

[Anonymous No.9323166]

>>9323092
I'm a total video-game playing anime-watching neckbeard but I never liked figurines or other merch. It's always cheap bullshit, and even if it's not, a plastic figurine of some random action hero or whatever is so out of place in as a decoration.

[Anonymous No.9323268]

>>9319004
Degenerate.

[Anonymous No.9323270]

>>9323166
Total opposite. Brain washed with He-man & Kennar SW adverts & toys as a child. I like the films, but they are also a bit boring now.

[Anonymous No.9323352]

>>9315778
Oh, this so much.

[Anonymous No.9323373]

>>9318285
>Tragedy is a form of drama based on human suffering that invokes an accompanying catharsis or pleasure in audiences

Which is not a genre how? The fact that it's based around a particular kind of subject with a goal to elicit particular kinds of emotions through this implies that it's a genre, rather than a 'form', otherwise there would be a specific shape or use of medium that tragedy had to conform to while otherwise not specifying the subject or emotional goal if it was a 'form' instead.

The "high art has no genres" meme has to end.

[Anonymous No.9323434]

>>9315768
Aye but America is the progenitor of nerdom

[Anonymous No.9323457]

>>9315639
like father like son really, I find your lack of responsibility disturbing.

[Anonymous No.9323915]

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[Anonymous No.9324946]

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[Anonymous No.9324956]

Psychological regression in face of a hostile world.

[Anonymous No.9325009]

>>9314388
I like some manchild stuff like science fiction. Science fiction can explore interesting concepts, from time to time, though it is often a boring story with a futuristic veneer. I get bored reading a lot of Literature, it always seems angsty, somehow, despite being well-written. If I want something beautiful, I can just go study string theory.

[Anonymous No.9325277]

>>9325009
>If I want something beautiful, I can just go study string theory.

[Anonymous No.9325293]

>>9314388
>implying man children are a modern thing
>never read Don Quixote

[Anonymous No.9325307]

>>9325293
Don Quixote didn't visit convets and buy anime figures mate

[Anonymous No.9325313]

>>9314388
>>9314430
These are not the only "man children"
The fact is most young adults of both genders (but more often women) are basically overgrown children and still cling to this lost naivety or occupy themselves with trivial nonsense

The guy who is closing in on 30 yet goes to the club every night to hit on teenagers is a man child the same as some fat nerd who plays war hammer
At least warhammer is more productive

[Anonymous No.9325347]

>>9325307
He basically did the 16th century equivalent of that with his fat mate

[Anonymous No.9325369]

>>9325347
he was insane

[Anonymous No.9325558]

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[Anonymous No.9325724]

>>9325369
No he wasn't.

[Anonymous No.9325825]

>>9314388
It's a compensatory phenomenon. Western societies are so alienating that these people seem to regress in order to escape life and it's hardships.

[Anonymous No.9325831]

>>9314388
It's a great sadness. Seeing grown men still interested in Harry Potter and Star Wars is depressing. They've grown up to be losers with useless degrees who support Bernie.

[Anonymous No.9325833]

>>9325724
ok pleb

[Anonymous No.9326257]

>>9325833
Says the faggot who hasn't read Don Quixote or, even worse, has.

[Anonymous No.9326259]

>>9325831
Have you learned nothing from /fitlit/?

Plenty of them support Trump.

[Anonymous No.9326341]

>>9325277
Unless you both seriously study string theory, at least one of you is stupid.

[Anonymous No.9327619]

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[Anonymous No.9327629]

>>9314388

Their lives are boring, lonely and unfulfilled, so they turn to fantastic adventures to live through them.

They don't realize that it is their own faults that are withholding them from adventure, friendship, love and meaning.

[Anonymous No.9327663]

>>9315278
Recessive genes

[Anonymous No.9327696]

>>9314438

ree I want pomofags to leave

[Anonymous No.9327709]

>>9318484

Do you lack reading comprehension, imbecile?

The problem was not that he wasn't being given privileges, it was that he didn't have a masculine role model.

I had the same issue growing up with a single mother, luckily she was one of the few exceptions that almost managed to make up for the lack of a father.

[Anonymous No.9327724]

>>9314388
womenchildren?

[Anonymous No.9327797]

>>9315778
blessed with trips, you dare question him?

[Anonymous No.9328141]

I once saw something along the lines of
"Being an adult is realising one's mortality and acting upon this realisation"

The mass-culture today works in such ways that people often grow up feeling entitled to wonderful, fantastic and interesting lives. When this entitlement collides with the reality, they feel cheated and refuse to grow up and accept the world as it is, instead clinging to the childish fantasies of various kinds.

[Anonymous No.9328145]

>>9318512
I'm blomde. During the winter it's more a dirty blonde, but in summer as soon as I start spending more time outside it becomes practically bleached

[Anonymous No.9328157]

>>9314388
>>9314888
>When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty, I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
>t. C.S. Lewis

[Anonymous No.9328167]

>>9315220
Dude, you realize this whole fucking thread is nothing but a giant ad hominem, right?

[Anonymous No.9328191]

>>9318521
>>9318525
Are you sure your hair actually gets darker from the lack of sun and it's not just your skin getting paler so your hair appears darker in comparison?

[Anonymous No.9328311]

>>9327724
Profound anon, you lift me up with your discerning interpretations..

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[Anonymous No.9328923]

>>9325313
>At least warhammer is more productive
t. manchild

[Anonymous No.9328947]

>>9315278
I was born with dark hair - then it went bright blond - now its dirty blond.

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[Anonymous No.9329942]

>>9314430
It's clearly a Moorcock tattoo.

[Anonymous No.9330035]

>>9314620
>implying

[Anonymous No.9330113]

>>9315399
Look at this cunt. He is vexed that sffg has actual discussions. We actually read what we talk about. You mad because we don't shit post about Bloom, David "noose" Wallace, and Pinecone all day?

You guys circle jerk ad nauseam. I've been here since 2011 and you can't get rid of me. Sffg is the best thing to happen for discussion on this board for a long time.
REAL literary discussion left with brown bear, butterfly, deep and edgy, and the others.
P.s I've been reading nothing but genre fiction since then. Most provided by litizens.

[Anonymous No.9330149]

>>9330113
t. manchild
>I've been reading nothing but genre fiction since then
Condolences to you and your family

[Anonymous No.9330170]

>>9330113
>Sffg is the best thing to happen for discussion

This is the main point you'll never understand.
High Literature shouldn't be discussed. It contains all the answers in itself.

On the other hand, the genre fiction is empty and unprincipled. You have to cooked up "discussion" in order to somehow justify that you are 20+ years old and you still reading about adventures of wizards.

[Anonymous No.9330182]

>tfw Mason & Dixon is the best fantasy novel I've ever read

[Anonymous No.9330272]

>>9330170
>>9330149
You're both spooks.

[Anonymous No.9330674]

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[Anonymous No.9331284]

>>9314888
based
> It's not like most people are ever going around reading real literature or patrician shit all the time.
that one killed me

[Anonymous No.9332340]

>>9330170
I'm a human being and thus a social creature. As a result I like talking about things I enjoy.

[Anonymous No.9333001]

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[Anonymous No.9333014]

>>9314388
>2 M.B.As
>Exec job
>Read philosophy and politics
>Export relation advisor
>Local politics figure
>Enjoy good fantasy and sci-fi

You're the 16 year old bashing the 14 year old when with adults to feel like you belong

[Anonymous No.9333062]

>>9317848
Ey, Lem represent!

[Anonymous No.9333180]

>>9314388
manchildren (like some kind of mockery) is a subtle symptom of nostalgic traditionalists butthurt. (adult man is a man with work and suburban worries).

the lines of being an adult are slowly changing and blurred. but they dont realize and still feel clingy about that.
fantasy and sci fi is a genre in itself. there are tons of people who listen, read and watch shit.
you try to put together sci fi / fantasy and child like imagery like it was something inherently crippled. when you just have to take a look to blockbusters movies and realize is simply a zeitgeist of the time.
basically the problem is the threat (yes, i know ) manchildren suppose to adulthood ideas and how they still treat it like that, like a threat, not like a symptom nod bad in itself. , with enough time well see the children of the manchildren and we simply accept it. (it´s not like they exists at all, without traditional adulthood concept, you would have a hard time finding a manchild.)

[Anonymous No.9333488]

>>9314588

If you've ever been to this country, you'd know that we are not moving out of Asia yet, desu

[Anonymous No.9333504]

How can we destroy geek culture?

[Anonymous No.9333508]

>>9314388
this board is fucking garbage

[Anonymous No.9333511]

>>9333014
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.9333513]

>>9314388
real manchildren don't even read. literally too busy playing video games and watching star wars for the 500th time.

[Anonymous No.9333519]

>>9333513
There's no diffrence between video game and genre fiction book.

[Anonymous No.9333529]

>>9333519
there's no difference between metal gear rising: revengeance and high literature except that the first one is better

[Anonymous No.9333538]

>>9333529
t. manchild

[Anonymous No.9333578]

>>9314388
Modern society is built upon debt and oppression by currency that does not exist and people just accept their role in being oppressed and abused by "laws" that are made to oppress anyone who follows them in the hopes of sometimes owning something which is also a lie.

[Anonymous No.9333591]

>>9333538
t. man-camel

[Anonymous No.9333695]

>>9333519
Videogames are interactive and many lack a narrative. It's play as opposed to media consumption.

[Anonymous No.9333856]

>>9333695
>implying adventures of wizards don't lack narrativve

[Anonymous No.9333866]

Alienation

[Anonymous No.9333891]

>>9333866
bingo

[Anonymous No.9333922]

>>9314388
Alienation in school and work, consumerism, corporate and governmental parentalism.

[Anonymous No.9333944]

>>9314388
You don't need academic certification to assess why people with no skills insights or experiences lean toward escapism.

[Anonymous No.9333945]

>>9328311
your welcome anon !

[Anonymous No.9334241]

>>9333866
Alienation that they end up further entrenching themselves within through their escapist hobbies. Sad!

[Anonymous No.9334259]

>>9334241
>implying western civilization isn't escapist

[Anonymous No.9334278]

>>9334259
>implying everything isn't escapist

[Anonymous No.9334289]

>>9334259
>implying western civilization isn't escapist
This.
>you escaped the Queen
>you escaped paying natives for their land you stole
>those of german decent escaped Hitler
America was built on escapism.

[Anonymous No.9334298]

>>9334289
Murricans came up with escapism and poisoned the rest of the world

[Anonymous No.9334524]

>>9334298
Nah, Shakespeare invented it and thus doomed western civilisation.

[Anonymous No.9334867]

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[Anonymous No.9335104]

>Why people become manchildren?

they're babied or maybe have psych issues.

>Why do they y read genre fiction like fantasy and sci-fi?

because some people enjoy it. some people read to get lost in something for a little bit. not everyone is as cool as you, asshole.

>How do modern philosophy and sociology explain it?

why does a pretentious prick like you think this needs to be explained?

[Anonymous No.9335180]

>>9335104
>hurr durr things you can enjoy can't be bad

[Anonymous No.9335234]

>>9335180
sci fi and fantasy aren't like soda or fatty foods, idiot.

>hurr durr
I can tell how clever you aren't. pathetic.

[Anonymous No.9335368]

>>9335234
>aren't like soda or fatty foods
Exactly they are, accurate comparison.
Affordable for anyone, Harmful and empty pastime , that's genre fiction

[Anonymous No.9335588]

>>9335368
Papercut your wrists.

[Anonymous No.9335667]

>>9335588
Don't get mad. Every manchild has a chance to grow up and start reading high literature, you're no exception

[Anonymous No.9335911]

>>9335667
I'm content with reading my medium quality books.

[Anonymous No.9335918]

>>9335911
My condolences