[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/lit/ - Literature

View post   
File: 19 KB, 307x475, 55987.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
7227871 No.7227871 [Reply] [Original]

Has anyone read pic related?

If so, there are any books related to it? Did you liked this book?

I want to know more about this

>> No.7228036
File: 111 KB, 1067x800, 1444076253731.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
7228036

>>7227871
>dat title

>> No.7228101
File: 564 KB, 1514x1000, 1439294900561.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
7228101

>>7227871
beyond what ?

not a single liberal/libertarian knows what dignity and freedom are. they sure used these terms to replace the servitude and the honor of the nobility, but that is quite all.

>> No.7228151

>>7227871
Yeah, I found that book at a thrift store when I was in college. Its a really interesting book, but I'd say the first 3 chapters are really where it's at.

His main concept is that Freedom is an illusion, he likens it to how before Newton, people theorized that an arrow flew through the air because of its innate "impetuousness". Freedom is and Will are similar internalized forces which do not exist.

That said, his materialist visions haven't exactly been proven in the time since his initial studies into conditioning. Kind of like Freud who believed it was just a matter of time until the internal mechanisms of the brain were revealed through microscopy.

Skinner has a follow up book, "Walden 2" which is like a Behaviorist Utopia. He's a terrible fiction writer though. Still a funny read.

>> No.7228153

>>7227871

If you like Skinner, read more of his books, specifically Walden 2. You should also read A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess, which is an interesting response.

Control: A history of behavioral psychology by John Mills is a good overview of the movement.

>> No.7228156

>>7228151

I liked the chapter on dignity, it really cleared my mind on why some actions are found beautiful (a la aristotle) and cheered on when in proper context, and how one avoids losing dignity by giving the clear causes of our conduct

>> No.7228162

>>7228156

... losing dignity by avoiding giving the clear causes**

>> No.7228173

a great bit from the first chapter

"According to Leibniz, ''Liberty consists in the power to do what one wants to do', and according to Voltaire, 'When I can do what I want to do, there is my liberty for me.' But both writers add a concluding phrase : Leibniz, '... or in the power to want what can be got', and Voltaire, more candidly, ' ... but I can't help wanting what I do want'."

>> No.7228188

Sage

>> No.7228359

Behead All Satans is pretty based.