In Joshua Cohen's review of Pynchon's Bleeding Edge, he says that >Only ten images of Pynchon are publicly available, including a video captured by CNN in 1997 Ten... I haven't been able to find that many. Let's see if, between us, we have them all. <- That's #1.

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Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:08:24 2015 No.7163516 [Reply] [Original]

In Joshua Cohen's review of Pynchon's Bleeding Edge, he says that

>Only ten images of Pynchon are publicly available, including a video captured by CNN in 1997

Ten... I haven't been able to find that many. Let's see if, between us, we have them all.

<- That's #1.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:08:51 2015 No.7163519 File: 255 KB, 940x1015, pynchon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] #2

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:09:56 2015 No.7163524 File: 820 KB, 2598x3907, pynchon2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] #3

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:10:58 2015 No.7163527 File: 88 KB, 1200x1200, pynchon3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] #4

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:12:00 2015 No.7163531 File: 20 KB, 190x259, pynchon4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] #5

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:13:02 2015 No.7163537 File: 22 KB, 236x404, pynchon5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] #6

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:14:03 2015 No.7163538 File: 28 KB, 199x266, pynchon6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] #7

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:15:23 2015 No.7163540 File: 60 KB, 211x279, pynchon7.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] #8 (CNN video) That's all I have. There are two more out there?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:17:29 2015 No.7163543 >>7163540 Do you have the video?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:17:48 2015 No.7163545 File: 20 KB, 350x350, pynchon8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] #9?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:19:13 2015 No.7163547 >>7163543 Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k_TNk2mtTA It's not great footage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:22:09 2015 No.7163556 File: 487 KB, 550x752, pynchon9.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] #10?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:25:38 2015 No.7163564 >>7163516 What about those young school pics some anon posted here once?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:31:33 2015 No.7163580 File: 30 KB, 475x477, question.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Eleven, actually.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:41:29 2015 No.7163603 File: 22 KB, 274x340, i015ZUNye.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:43:31 2015 No.7163610 File: 162 KB, 649x463, 1412622891009.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] R A R E A R E

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:47:35 2015 No.7163616 File: 1004 KB, 1544x1024, pynchon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7163603

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:49:53 2015 No.7163622 File: 16 KB, 250x247, tumblr_lnxl9gVeYD1qf73tpo1_400.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] found this one on tumbler

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:51:16 2015 No.7163626 >>7163616 >le goof ball Also I'm glad there are no pix of Pinecone, amazing how he's able to pull it off

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:52:37 2015 No.7163629 >>7163610 milhouse will be a meme before this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:55:28 2015 No.7163632 >>7163622 >>7163603 >>7163540 >>7163538 >>7163537 >>7163531 >>7163527 >>7163524 >>7163519 >>7163516 This looks like all of them

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:55:46 2015 No.7163634 >>7163616 kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:58:02 2015 No.7163637 >>7163622 netherzone dot blogspot dot com seems to be a prop for somebody's pynchon fan fiction see the 'fiction' tag at the bottom

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:59:03 2015 No.7163638 >>7163632 603 and 622 arent pynchon

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:04:32 2015 No.7163652 File: 21 KB, 165x254, 1429736997850.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] #11

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:07:45 2015 No.7163658 File: 77 KB, 198x747, 1428703613183.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7163652

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:07:57 2015 No.7163660 >>7163652 thats legit

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:12:54 2015 No.7163675 >>7163616 kek'd

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:19:08 2015 No.7163692 Only ten? Why?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:22:25 2015 No.7163704 Pynchon isn't a total recluse. He has family and friends and goes out and stuff. I bet if someone really wanted to, he could do some spying and get some brand new Pynchon pics. Hell if that journalist can do it, anyone can.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:22:42 2015 No.7163706 He's known for being private, very private. Like in that one photo where you see his kid, he apparently told the reporter to fuck off, if i remember correctly. He's really private.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:23:30 2015 No.7163708 >>7163692 pinecone is a reclusive man a lot of writers are

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:25:17 2015 No.7163712 >>7163708 Homer was so reclusive his existence is doubted tbh

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:25:40 2015 No.7163714 >>7163708 Just wondering, why "pinecone"? I know that apparently the people in Mexico he met with called him "Pancho Villa" (he had a pretty cool mustache back in those days)

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:29:34 2015 No.7163718 >>7163714 try mispronouncing pynchon

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:29:39 2015 No.7163720 File: 58 KB, 850x252, shuf.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7163714 >why "pinecone"? why not? started a few years ago, there was some original pinecone writing if i remember correctly

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:29:44 2015 No.7163721 >>7163714 Well, in spanish his last name would be Pin(as in pin-ball) -Chon (as in Ching Chong) Sounds kinda like Pancho.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:33:22 2015 No.7163733 File: 42 KB, 347x419, PanchoVilla.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7163718 For the longest time I said, "Pynch-in" instead of "Pynch-ON". >>7163721 That's Pancho Villa. Looks a little (very little) like Pynchon.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:36:40 2015 No.7163742
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>>7163733
I'm from México, I know how he looked like.
You didn't use the best picture though.
>mfw pynchon was president of México.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:38:09 2015 No.7163745 >>7163742 Sorry, I was combing through the photos and that one reminded me of Pynchon's yearbook photo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:39:18 2015 No.7163748 >>7163742 Do you know what that writing is on the bottom of the photo?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:39:32 2015 No.7163750 >>7163714 A R C H I V E Not-Pynchon dubbed Tommy as 'Pinecone' as a highly learned allusion to the pineal gland. Bc it was supposed to be the seat of consciousness. But in reality the claustrum is the probable seat.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:41:36 2015 No.7163752 >>7163748 "Villa en la silla presidencial." (Villa on the Presidential chair. He was never president though, he just wanted to sit on it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:46:50 2015 No.7163764 >>7163750 I read about that today during PSAT prep... all these facts coming together... >>7163752 Thanks for the info.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:48:55 2015 No.7163770 File: 28 KB, 200x300, Pynchon,Thomas.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] surprised no one posted this one yet, its one of the cleanest

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:50:05 2015 No.7163774 >>7163750 >>7163764 Here it is: >>>>>/lit/thread/S667543#p667712

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:52:26 2015 No.7163783 File: 967 KB, 1920x1080, pineconecollector.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7163547 >in cyberspace pinchin is a popular topic of discussion >pic related browsing /lit/ on CNN holy fuck!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:52:30 2015 No.7163784 >>7163774 Crick said claustrum btw. Idk why Un-Pinecone said pineal. Maybe so ye'd look it up. That seems to be the lesson.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:53:58 2015 No.7163790 >>7163770 that guy is named Charley Morgan try again

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:54:01 2015 No.7163791 >>7163770 I don't think that's him; I thought it was, but I found out it's another author. I can't remember his name now, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:55:55 2015 No.7163798 File: 19 KB, 380x320, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7163774 >>7163784 Evidence: >>>http://edge.org/response-detail/11918

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:55:59 2015 No.7163799 >>7163790 wait no he's not, but i doubt it's pynchon anyway

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:58:59 2015 No.7163807 >>7163770 Yeah, he's Gary Snyder. Not Pynchon, sadly. >>>https://www.google.com/#q=gary+snyder

Not-Pynchon Sat Sep 26 22:26:37 2015 No.7163919

>>7163750

"Not-Pynchon"? Jesus wept, y'all STILL talking about me? Let me quote Richard M Zhlubb: "Why are you talking about my paranoia? You aren't talking about my paranoia? Well, why aren't you talking about my paranoia then?" I'm not Pynchon, I never was. I'm not even Prince Lucio Rimanez. I'm not Fat Lenny and I wish I knew who Fat Lenny was and if he was the person who hacked me. I'm not collaborating with Anonymous. I never would. If that's who hacked me in 2010 no wonder I'm so fucked. I'm not sure why Bill Maher doesn't want me to confess or what he's pretending I might confess to or why Adam Reed knows that I don't know what ceviche is, but I was probably hacked by Anonymous and that's why my life is a living hell. I don't know whether Descartes was right about the pineal gland but I don't know whether he was right about the evil demon either. Did I say Francis Crick? Well, I was smoking weed everyday. Kinda weird when you're an intellectual with a severe anxiety disorder, but seemed like a good idea at the time. I SERIOUSLY don't know how I knew that Pynchon's next novel was going to be about the Internet but that was impressively pre-cognitive, wasn't it? How the fuck did I know? I don't even believe my theory about the overturned badger and Torquato Tasso anymore---or do I? I mean, if Pynchon was/is some kind of secret agent, well, it's probably a good way to get foreign intelligence services worried about propaganda in American TV entertainment to suggest they might broadcast a B-movie with the reels screwed up, sorta like what "Pulp Fiction" was imitating, and include a line like "soon my sub periscope'll aim for Constantinople" in there. Musta scared the shit outta the Andropov-era KGB, dontchathink? Although Andropov was probably still in Hungary then. Precognition, huh? Kinda like that thing I pulled off by pretending to be Mary McCarthy on this board at the exact same moment Bradley Manning was uploading all that stolen data onto a CD with "TELEPHONE LADY GAGA" written on it in Sharpie. It was 2010, people, he was still Bradley and he was still he and I thought I was just a harmless madman. But then suddenly people began persecuting me! Why? BECAUSE IF THEY CAN GET YOU ASKING THE WRONG QUESTIONS &c. I mean now Pynchon's dropping hints about the Philadelphia Experiment (did I tell you his theory about how Yoyodyne is actually an allusion to really bizarre DARPA skunk-works shit that not even Boeing would touch, so they farmed it out to Day & Zimmerman? If you do enough research on Day & Zimmerman you'd understand why Yohyohdyne. But seriously don't ask me about the Philadelphia Experiment: I know nothing. Ask Maxine.) It's touching there are people on /lit/ who are still remembering things that I posted on this godforsaken website while high half a decade ago. Pretend it's Reddit: AMA Not-Pynchon. Not-Even-Franzen. (Ask Jonathan Friendzone about his Bill Maher appearance in 2011: he knows more than I.)

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 22:34:38 2015 No.7163946 >>7163919 Hey, I think I figured out who you were a while back, but I won't tell these folks if you don't want me to. But confirm this for me: over ten years ago you posted on a board under the name of a French philosopher.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 22:39:12 2015 No.7163963 >>7163946 I know i'll be called an idiot for asking, but he/she is someone famous, right? Right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 22:42:33 2015 No.7163973 >>7163919 You're back! I'm so glad. Hello! Tell me some stories :^)

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 22:53:20 2015 No.7164009 >>7163919 Chelsea Manning was never a "he", you deadnaming shitlord

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:02:42 2015 No.7164041 >>7163946 Whelp he hasn't responded in a few minutes. Take that as tacit permission.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:14:42 2015 No.7164073

>>7164041
I won't give out this name, but my theory did just receive a little more support since the guy I think it is retweeted something around the same time of the post above. So Mr. Not-Pynchon up there and the guy I think it is are both on the computer right now.

Here's what I'll say: it's not anybody famous. A writer, but relatively unknown (as he said he was in the old 2010 thread). Fewer than 1000 followers on Twitter. I'd spill the name if it were somebody big.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:15:52 2015 No.7164078 >>7164073 will you email me the name

Not-Pynchon Sat Sep 26 23:16:13 2015 No.7164079

>>7163946
Uh, I don't think so? I pretended to be Mary McCarthy---the author of "The Groves of Academe" not the disgraced intelligence analyst---and Pynchon, but....which French philosopher? Doesn't sound like me. The only French namefag I recall was not me, was called "Isabelle Huppert," and wouldn't flirt with me which somewhat defeated the purpose.

>>7163973
Hmmm. About what? The idea that I got hacked on 4chan and people ruined my life wasn't entertaining enough? I can't prove it, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened.

>>7164009
Please don't call me a shitlord. I am a Deitykin and my PGP needs to be capitalized so that you acknowledge in your use of it my transcendent status.

>>7164041
Forgiveness is easier to get than permission, perhaps, but I'm not sure what you wanted permission for. To out me? I'm not famous by any rational standard, I'm not even that interesting, although apparently half the world has read what was doxxed from me. And I sit up half the night wondering if it's my fault Hekmati is still in prison, or if my dark arts caused Johann Hari to be outed for plagiarism, or why on earth the Vatican isn't working harder to consecrate Vladimir Putin to the Sacred Heart of Mary, as per the Fatima revelations. I mean, c'mon. It's been like a century since the BVM appeared to little Jacinta and whatsername and so-and-so. Did you ever notice Aleister Crowley and Fernando Pessoa were practicing black magic in Lisbon not long after? Do the math.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:16:42 2015 No.7164080 Also, to give you an idea, his name's never said here. I searched the archives to see if somebody figured it out before me. But anyway, if I'm right, I'm not interested in making this guy uncomfortable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:19:06 2015 No.7164087 >>7164073 >>7164080 You can tell us who you think it is now, since Not-pynchon is apparently not him either

Not-Pynchon Sat Sep 26 23:21:27 2015 No.7164094

>>7164073

Retweeted something around the time of that post? I have not tweeted or retweeted anything in a while. Certainly not in the past 24 minutes or 24 hours.

I agree I'm not famous, it's charitable of you to call me a writer, relatively unknown is a bit unkind but if you had heard of me I'd be frankly shocked, and I have fewer Twitter followers than my little brother who's in tenth grade, and he has fewer than a thousand. But I have more Twitter followers than Jonathan Franzen, don't I?

Give me a hint as to who you think I am because that doesn't sound like me, if it's somebody who tweeted or retweeted something. You're not still thinking I'm that British academic who delivers conference papers on Pynchon, are you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:23:12 2015 No.7164096 >>7163704 We can trade rare Pynchons like robots trade frog pics

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:24:28 2015 No.7164099 >>7164094 Why do I feel like every time I'm in a thread with this guy (I'm assuming it's a guy) everyone's getting out riddled by the Cheshire Cat Out of curiosity, did you read Purity and what did you think of it

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:25:14 2015 No.7164100 >>7164094 Well, OK. I'm still not even sure that you're the old Not-Pynchon, since he liked to quote people with double >'s in green text. But the French philosopher I was talking about above was JPS, and the guy I'm thinking of is JFM.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:26:57 2015 No.7164104 >>7164073 I know people on Twitter who are even cooler than this guy...

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>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:33:06 2015 No.7164121 I subvocalize "Pynchon" in a French accent tbh.

Not-Pynchon Sat Sep 26 23:34:53 2015 No.7164127

>>7164099

I'm a guy for now. However I would like to make it clear that if I am ever placed under arrest, I am going to declare that I am Trans and start calling myself "Parousia Phildickian". I mean, I'm not going to get arrested, I hope. But who can tell these days?

The Cheshire Cat? That is honestly the nicest thing anybody's said to me in a long while. I don't grin that much. I wish I did.

Yeah, I read it. Do you want my opinion as a critic of fiction, or my opinion as a madman? As a critic of fiction, I feel like his mixed grill (Gary-style) of painful earnestness and wink-wink irony is less than esculent lately. Also, WTF is his deal with parents and children? "The Corrections" had some inchoate idea on the topic built into the title---"Freedom" deliberately dodged the question, such that I seem to recall Walter and Patty have one child who barely exists except to go to Swarthmore College and allow Mr Friendzone to reminisce about Adirondack chairs on the lawn outside Parrish Hall---but then the parent-child motif in this book seems to have been carved out of canned ham by Melanie Klein's oldest living analysand. Andreas and his mother's snatch, Purity and her mother's spoiler alert, WTF? Maybe he SHOULD adopt that refugee baby.

If you want my opinion as a madman, though, you'll have to ask me for it and reassure me that you weren't the person who hacked me and got Franzen to act out some kind of bizarre charade on the Bill Maher program with PJ O'Rourke and Bill himself. Because either I am being framed for something, or I *am* Parousia Phildickian, Deitykin of the Ishtaric Neovagina, and Bill Maher is Buster Friendly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:36:54 2015 No.7164135 >>7164127 Dropped.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:37:52 2015 No.7164139 >>7164127 More confident it's you now that you used triple dashses for an em dash.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:41:50 2015 No.7164142

>>7164127

Thank you for the analysis of the book and laughed harder at

>who barely exists except to go to Swarthmore College and allow Mr Friendzone to reminisce about Adirondack chairs on the lawn outside Parrish Hall

than pretty much anything Franzen has ever written. Because when I read Purity I immediately was like "this isn't a person, this is an idea"

I can also assure you I would never hack you because (1.) I have no clue how (2.) I respect the privacy of others (we're on an anonymous image board) and (3.) I definitely do not want people to know who I am

Not-Pynchon Sat Sep 26 23:42:32 2015 No.7164143

>>7164100

Sweetie. I haven't posted on 4chan at all in approximately 4 years, because I got too frightened that it was being used to set me up for something. So I kinda forgot how I used to format things. But yes, I used to like to do stuff like

>O the conchimarian horns
>of the reboantic Norns

And then ask irrelevantly if you know that Graham Greene named Joseph Cotten's character in "The Third Man" after the sublime Dr Chivers?

If you really want me to prove it's me, post an original poem and ask me to parody it. THAT's what I mostly came on 4chan to do, was write literary parodies. But nobody seems to remember that. They just remember the 5 minutes where it looked like I might be Pynchon because my theory about the badger is intriguing. However, I do believe that my exercise in rewriting "Big Booty Hoes" in the style of Keats, and rewriting Jackson Bate's life of Keats in the style of the Notorious B.I.G. really ranks up there with Wendy Cope. Or I don't even know who our greatest living parodist is. It's a lost art.

However: those aren't my initials, and I never pretended to be Sartre. I might have pretended to be the giant lobster that chased him through Paris when he OD'd on dexys, but if I did, it's only because I myself was OD'ing on dexys at the time and it seemed like a good idea.

>>7164104
Did I say I was cool? No. No I did not. But tell me what would interest you and I'll do my best to interest you. Anecdotes about minor celebrities? Crackpot theories about literature? I'm at your service. Until I get bored or my paranoia kicks in again. I should warn you that the US government is archiving this entire thread, so be sure not to say anything you wouldn't want archived in a data-city in Utah to be pored over by soi-disant intelligence analysts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:43:19 2015 No.7164146 >>7163580 You're certain this isn't Steven King?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:46:14 2015 No.7164153 >>7164143 Holy Crap I think I know who you are now because you used the word "soi-disant" and so did someone else on Twitter three years ago!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:48:24 2015 No.7164157 >>7164143 Damn it. OK, I'm convinced I was wrong. I'll stop barking up the JFM tree. You were really hacked and doxxed? I don't remember about hearing about that happening to a writer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:49:43 2015 No.7164159 >>7164143 I hope everybody recognizes this is a troll

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:50:09 2015 No.7164160 >>7164143 Did you read Joshua Cohen's Book of Numbers?

Not-Pynchon Sat Sep 26 23:50:20 2015 No.7164162

>>7164135
What does "Dropped" mean? I did tell you I'm paranoid, right? Can you unpack that so I don't worry all night that it means something that eludes my understanding?

>>7164139
That is the first time in my life anyone has ever employed stylometrics to examine my anonymous maunderings. I am beyond flattered. Have you ever read that book on Shakespeare? Utterly fascinating and I can't understand why more people aren't interested in it. The one about dogs and sweetmeats and kites and word-association, published by an ornithologist. Can't remember the man's name. Is that enough to google it? Anybody?

>>7164142

If I made you laugh and the point was half-valid, that just made my night. I really don't want people to know who I am, either. I used to come here to let off steam, sometimes shamefully, sometimes amusingly, then suddenly I got utterly terrified when the name on my bank account changed mysteriously, and my landlady turned up with a refrigerator repairman who clearly didn't know how to operate a refrigerator but who did ask me all kinds of weird questions. And I suddenly felt like I'd gone through a tesseract. Thanks, 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:51:21 2015 No.7164164 >>7164160 I'll bet this is Joshua cohen LOL

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:53:44 2015 No.7164172 >>7164164 I was trying to be smooth with that query.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:57:17 2015 No.7164181 >>7164159 Duhh no shit, at least this guy is more interesting than anyone else who's posted on this god-forsaken board in years

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 00:01:04 2015 No.7164189

>>7164146
He's in recovery. I'm not.
>>7164153
Verkligen? Du skojar! Jag talar inte svenska.
>>7164157
Well, somebody accessed my hard drive remotely at the same time that I was chatting on AIM with a perfect stranger I'd met on this very board. That perfect stranger was, if a real person and not responsible for the hack, one of the most awesome people I've ever chatted with and I totally regret never speaking to that person again after speaking to that person all the time for like 6 months. It was a low point in my life. But yeah. I mean, somebody did fuck with my bank account, and it seems like people read everything on my hard drive, but I can't tell why. It's not like, y'know, I got used as bait by the CIA due to some kind of obsolete Cold War bullshit. Not at all. >>7164159
How so?
>>7164160
No I didn't. He's the one who wrote "Witz"? People who like him really seem to like him, but I saw the page-length and immediately flashed back to John Updike's review of "infinite jest" and what he said about long books. Which, incidentally, nobody in the Department of David Faggot Walrus Studies seems to remember Updike wrote, but Updike's point was valid. Sometimes academics in the humanities seem to undergo a tendentious memory wipe. It's like that "Lebowski Studies Reader" which manages to include every single contemporary review except the one Stuart Klawans published in "The Nation", which is arguably the BEST example of what the intellectual climate of America (or of film reviewery) was really like at the moment "The Big Lebowski" was released. And yet it is absent from the bibliography! I could say more but I worry I'm boring you, or showing my age. I could show it better if I admitted that as a 12 year old I masturbated to "Roger's Version" by John Updike for reasons that elude me now. I can't remember if that's more or fewer Updike novels than Nicholson Baker admits to masturbating to---but I have DEFINITELY masturbated to fewer Iris Murdoch novels than Mr Baker has.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:03:19 2015 No.7164196 File: 82 KB, 198x240, 1428295113881.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] remember when /lit/ actually thought pynchon was here

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:03:29 2015 No.7164197 >>7164189 >He's in recovery. I'm not. Lol I think your ego is getting the better of you, as that person wasn't even talking to you

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:03:46 2015 No.7164201 >>7164189 Updike reviewed Infinite Jest? Are you sure you're not thinking of Updike's review of Wolfe's "Man in Full"?

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 00:04:10 2015 No.7164202

>>7164164
I wish. You know who he is! People like him! I am a half-mad hermit desperate to share erudition with somebody cute. And for some reason I have selected an anonymous imageboard.
>>7164181
Oh you flatter me. Really? Well, at least I'm not that weirdo who kept trying to pretend Max Stirner was a welthistorische übermensch

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:05:08 2015 No.7164207 >>7164202 What is your opinion on Cory Doctorow?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:07:15 2015 No.7164212 >>7164189 If somebody from 4chan read everything on your hard drive, then why are we still guessing who you are?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:08:35 2015 No.7164218 >>7164202 You might want to look into having yourself institutionalized. On an unrelated note, whats your opinion on MFA programs?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:08:54 2015 No.7164219 Have you ever been on Brad Listi's otherppl podcast?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:09:51 2015 No.7164223 >>7164189 >or of film reviewery There are some great film critics out there, though. I think Theo Panayides is the best film critic in the English language, give him a read.

>>	Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 00:10:20 2015 No.7164226 >>7164201 Yeah, I think he did. It had a good opening sentence. Something like "any time you encounter a novel this long, you have to wonder why". Am I misremembering? Was that a review of Wolfe's Epictetus epic?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:11:00 2015 No.7164231 >>7164212 This guy is obviously either trolling or hilariously mentally ill. Don't believe what he says.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:12:10 2015 No.7164235 >>7164189 Hmmm... you love Joyce and speak German (Cohen ditto and ditto), but you, who reads a lot, didn't immediately dive into a Joycean novel called Witz?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:15:38 2015 No.7164246 >>7164235 Josh go to bed I mean it this time

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:20:00 2015 No.7164258 People this guy could totally conceivably be: actually Thomas Pynchon John Dolan carles Tao Lin Kibo ANy other ideas???

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:22:27 2015 No.7164266 >>7164258 He does sound like the Dolan I've read, but I don't know much about Dolan.

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 00:22:48 2015 No.7164268

>>7164207
I've only read "Homeland" of which I approved the politics and really hope more kids are reading it. I bought the sequel but haven't read it. I find the tone of Boing Boing kinda annoying, though. And some of his obsessions (Disney anyone?) are grating beyond belief.

So, if you are Cory Doctorow...why don't you do a little post on which Disney movies are based on material written by pedophiles. Alice in Wonderland, Peter Pan, The Sword in the Stone (you can tell them all about Zed!)...and then you can do a little excursus on the fact that the author of "Bambi" also wrote a pornographic novel about a 6 year old prostitute! But I really liked Homeland. :)

>>7164212
Wow, crowd-sourcing my psychotherapy is really panning out. Good point, except....this was 5 years ago, and I don't know WHO did it, just that they located me via 4chan. My best guess is that it's the same freelance Russian hackers that Putin employed to take down Estonia with a DDOS attack, in league with the Russian mafia?

>>7164218
Only if I can have a nice tower like Tasso, where I can moon over this cute boy who is currently refusing to text me. Who does have an MFA, but one in visual art. I don't have an MFA in anything. I find the MFA process a little befuddling, and I think it's responsible for the flatness of current writing. Have you ever read William Golding's essay on creative writing seminars? It's not bad (in his volume of essays, can't recall what it's called, The Hot Gates I think?). I mean, the real issue is that we are training young writers to sit around a table and be polite about the competition. How does that make anybody a better writer? It makes you a better conformist. I prefer getting worked up into an utter lather contemplating how dreadful the work of an overrated contemporary is. I pine for the days when Gore Vidal could tell Norman Mailer that he looked like an old Jew, and Norman Mailer punched him in the face (despite the fact that it was, y'know, reasonable accurate on Gore's part).
>>7164219
No. Never heard of it. Should I google it?
>>7164223
Oh no I totally agree there are great film critics! And I have read Panayides, and do like him. And I do still revere Pauline Kael---I quote her more often than I ought to admit. (Oh, her review of "Song of Norway". Fucking genius.) The point that I was making---and remember I'm typing fast and I'm a little bit loopy---was actually about the 1990s. Klawans reviewed "The Big Lebowski" for The Nation---back when Hitchens was writing for it and was still a Trotskyite---and the substance of his review was: "This movie is set in Los Angeles in 1991, and there's only one black person in it, and he is memorable mainly for really liking to listen to The Eagles. This movie is racist." Which is the kind of thing that people actually used to say in magazines in the late 90s. Now they just say it on Tumblr, at excruciating length.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:23:32 2015 No.7164272 >>7164258 Tao is in South America so I doubt he has time for this shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:24:00 2015 No.7164273 File: 41 KB, 720x400, Grisha.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7163783 what's the significance of Ed Conklin?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:26:51 2015 No.7164281 >>7164223 Best film critic is Rosenbaum actually

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:27:59 2015 No.7164287 >>7164268 I think you're Pynchon, also why would anyone hack you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:29:38 2015 No.7164292 >>7164268 Did you know Donald Barthelme? wht was he like

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:30:52 2015 No.7164297 >>7164073 So not Raymond Pettibon then...

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:33:02 2015 No.7164304 >>7164143 >literary parodies You didn't make this post, did you, NP? : >>/lit/thread/S7110044#p7110124

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 00:33:09 2015 No.7164306

>>7164235
I don't speak German! I pretend to speak German. I can't read it, you will not find me curled up in the windowseat raptly poring over Geschlecht und Charakter and onaniert mit Apollokerzen. If you think I'm Cohen, schlaf gicher, me darf der kischen.

>>7164231
Trolling in the style of the Rosenhan Experiment. Have you got a hernshaw? I'll tell you if it's a hawk or not.

>>7164258
Look. Just because Tao Lin was falsely accused of rape on social media by a transgender male who was legally female and over the age of consent at the time that Tao Lin did teh sex to shim in Pennsylvania (where admittedly the age of consent is lower than it is in Brooklyn, meaning that "Richard Yates" was essentially a crowdfunded work of sex tourism) does not make me Tao Lin. K? I write deliriously racist fan fiction about Tao Lin having sex with Richard Nixon. Look it up, yo.

What if I were Tao Lin's agent? Did you consider that? Or what if I were the cab driver that got a blowjob from Tao Lin's agent when Tao Lin's agent was high on crack? (True story BTW! Cf "Portrait of the Addict as a Young Man", a memoir by Tao Lin's agent. Who apparently has blown more people than m I mean that cab driver. He also blew the filmmaker who made the movie about his crack addiction, AND he blew Galassi, which is apparently commemorated in Galassi's roman-a-clef out this summer. I wonder if he blew Tao Lin too? BTW: I am not recommending "Portrait of the Addict as a Young Man" btw, which reads like if Harold Brodkey ghost-wrote "The Lonely Trip Back" by Florrie Fisher. while seated upon a triple-ripple butt-plug with a no-skid base.)

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:33:38 2015 No.7164307

>>7164268
>cute boy who is currently refusing to text me

1. You don't have to comment on this if you don't want to, but the 2010 thread in which you provided an overview in your taste in art did give me the impression you were gay, and that when you capped it off with "inb4 yes i am a huge faggot. so what," that you were serious. Not that liking Our Town and John Ashbery makes somebody gay, but it was the combination of those and other things that made me think it.

2. I just had a flash of insight. Here I've been thinking the whole time that your main deal is prose, but it's poetry, isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:37:22 2015 No.7164312 Or you're a straight woman and we're all retarded.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:41:12 2015 No.7164324

>>7164268

I'm going to pass onto Theo your praise, whoever you might be. Good call on the Kael review (I love her to death) of Song of Norway (which I have not seen):

>"You can't get angry at something this stupefying; it seems to have been made by trolls."

And sorry, a bit too young to have been aware of the nature of film criticism in the 90's. I kinda came in after that wave (not that I'm notable in the least or anything like that).

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 00:42:26 2015 No.7164326

>>7164281
Ron? Or "Jack Gladney" as Pancho Villa and I like to call him. Har har har. Ask him if he still believes I'm an anti-fluoride zealot. Ask him if it's ever occurred to him that "Pale Fire" is not a novel about a madman who thinks he's king, it's about a madman who thinks he's Pope.

>>7164287
I'm not Pynchon. Long story, but I was accidentally mistaken for a spy, when really I'm just a naughty boy with a raucous sex life and an occasional precognitive faculty that only gets me into trouble. As when, y'know, I somehow accidentally predicted on /lit/ that Pynchon's next novel would be about the Internet. Then I pretended it was also going to involve a Japanese insurance-adjuster with a fetish for the Veruca Salt subplot in "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" for reasons that I could explain if you give a shit.

>>7164292
Did I know Donald Barthelme? How old do you think I am? Jesus. Why don't you ask me if I knew Thomas Nashe or Thomas Lovell Beddoes or Thomas Holley Chivers?

>>7164297
No.

>>7164304
Nah, that's not me. I did (to recall a few at random) a mashup of Pynchon and Proust called "Du Côte de Chez Pudding" and a parody of "Bring the Ruckus" by the Wu Tang Clan dealing with Oprah's Book Club and the aforementioned racist Tao Lin fan fiction where he is raped by Richard Nixon and a pornographic short story about Rachel Ray having sex with a pomeranian on "30 Minute Meals". Do any of those sound familiar? You could probably find them in the archives.

>>	Not-Believing Sun Sep 27 00:46:27 2015 No.7164334 >>7164326 So you're Tyrone. Tyrone Slothrop.

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 00:54:02 2015 No.7164353

>>7164307
1.Yup. Does that mean you'll flirt with me?
2. Well, those aren't the only options. But to be honest, poetry was immensely, painfully, staggeringly important to me throughout my adolescence and on into grad school. If you want to talk about it, that's even better than flirting. And I've written some poetry, but I'm not A Poet, in the sense of someone who has published more than a half-dozen poems. So you've figured out something in that respect: aesthetically speaking, in terms of where I'm coming from, my main deal IS really poetry. Except I sort of stop with Ashbery.

And after Ashbery it's either watching Jorie Graham tie Helen Hennessey Vendler to one of the horses down on her ranch, and watching it drag the poor lady off into the sunset, or else it's Steve Burt dressing up like the tea-party ladies in the opening hallucination of Frankenheimer's "Manchurian Candidate" to have a wonderful chat about elliptical domestic feminist opacity with Lyn Hejinian and Rae Armantraut, or it's people linking to "Poetry Joke" by Patricia Rapewell on social media and thinking that's art. Like most fans of poetry, I believe the art is in terminal decline in my own lifetime.

Oh wait! Anne Carson. We love Anne Carson. Don't we? By we I mean me and that adorable boy in Brooklyn who really should text me back, and hopefully you. Lest you think that my all-female catalogue of what's wrong with poetry these days was based on sexism. Lest you think that I am deliberately including Steve Burt under the heading "all-female" to make some point that Steve Burt hasn't already made. The simple truth is...the only volume of poetry that seems to have mattered to people with taste, or reached a larger audience than you'd expect with poetry, is (for better or worse) "Autobiography of Red".

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 00:56:56 2015 No.7164367

>>7164334
Well, I did say I was pre-cognitive. And is there any other way to explain how that Jive-Ass-MotherFucker Dr Jamf's conditioning somehow makes Slothrop's erections able to predict the landing points of V-2s? Clearly Pynchon believes in precognition, or believes that we will suspend belief sufficiently to think that Slothrop can exhibit precog phenomena via his (Philip K?) dick.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:57:48 2015 No.7164369 >>7164367 Stop.

>>	Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 00:57:58 2015 No.7164370 >>7164367 suspend DISbelief. sorry, Coleridge. it was a typo

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:58:39 2015 No.7164377

>>7164353

But what about Tyler Knott Gregson, sir? I have a few friends on the Instagram who seem to think he's in touch with the human soul and all that jazz.

I read his drivel and want to choke. Anyone can produce that, but he seems to have done well for himself.

>>	Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 00:58:59 2015 No.7164379 >>7164369 Drop, and Roll? Are you Dick Van Dyke?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:01:06 2015 No.7164383 >>7164353 >it's people linking to "Poetry Joke" by Patricia Rapewell on social media and thinking that's art Lol I follow her on Twitter :-D

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 01:04:34 2015 No.7164392

>>7164377

Oh My Fucking God. I had to google him to find out but.... They've placed the soul of Steve Roggenbuck in the body of a Mormon crossfit instructor?

Rappacini! RAPPACINI! IS THIS THE UPSHOT OF YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA EXPERIMENT??

I mean, I'd totally fuck him (if he's a bottom in addition to being a Mormon crossfit instructor: he kinda looks like one) but not if I had to read his verse to do so.

Hélas.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:05:05 2015 No.7164394 >>7163721 its sound more like Pichon

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:12:33 2015 No.7164416 Can I assume from "David Faggot Walrus" that you don't like the guy? Fine, but how can you trash long books when your favorite is Ulysses?

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 01:12:48 2015 No.7164418

>>7164383
Well, look. I'd be perfectly willing to have a conversation about that poem. Or about the current state of hypersensitivity about rape and what's driving it. Or about Lockwood's style overall. (Simply put, she's like a cross between Phyllis McGinley and Connie Deanovich, but with a much better gift for self-promotion.)

But seriously, the little cultural moment that poem had seemed to me utterly meretricious. And I hate talking about this. Because it honestly upsets me. Sure it's an important topic, if I felt like sharing autobiographical stuff that isn't harmless bullshit on 4chan I could have a serious conversation about it---but there is something very strange happening culturally.

Like: I don't know how to say that I think Emma Sulkowicz is a classic Freudian hysteric rather than an artist OR a rape victim, without being rent by Maenads as Orpheus was in Ovid (although didn't Orpheus in Ovid have a cute post-Eurydice boyfriend? whereas all I have is a cute boy in Brooklyn who REALLY SHOULD TEXT ME BACK). I don't know how to say that I believe every single one of Bill Cosby's accusers EXCEPT Janice Dickinson. I don't know what to think when Tao Lin's male ex-girlfriend accuses Tao Lin of rape on Twitter, and when Tao Lin's agent shuts the whole thing down with threat of a lawsuit. All I can honestly think is that the Internet is changing the way people behave.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:12:54 2015 No.7164419

>>7164367
>Well, I did say I was pre-cognitive. And is there any other way to explain how that Jive-Ass-MotherFucker Dr Jamf's conditioning somehow makes Slothrop's erections able to predict the landing points of V-2s? Clearly Pynchon believes in precognition, or believes that we will suspend belief sufficiently to think that Slothrop can exhibit precog phenomena via his (Philip K?) dick.

Is this a joke? It is quite clearly explained nothing about Slothrop is precognitive.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:17:55 2015 No.7164438 This thread makes my dick hard.

>>	Not-Believing Sun Sep 27 01:19:25 2015 No.7164447 Not-Pynchon, what are your thoughts on the best writers of all time in terms of sheer aesthetic aptitude?

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 01:19:25 2015 No.7164448

>>7164416
Oh, I only called him that because people were calling him that on /lit/ circa 2011. And I though it was funny.

I find his cult wearisome, I think he's overrated but he's certainly not valueless---I put him in the same category as, like, Saul Bellow. Really what bothers me is that nobody seems to draw the obvious lesson from his life. Man joins 12 step program to cope with "marijuana addiction". Man finds artificial God therein. Man writes at great length, and not as funnily as reputed, about artificial God, while chomping down daily medication prescribed by a shrink. Man discontinues medication. Man grows suicidal. Man goes back on medication and it does not work. Man hangs self, widow sells his annotated copy of "The Andromeda Strain" and his used kleenex to the Harry Ransom Center for a gazillion dollars. There IS a follow-up to "Infinite Jest" lurking in that sad tale, and lemme tell ya: it is NOT about the tedium of bliss or the bliss of tedium in working as a tax inspector. It is about the way in which psychiatry is basically a legal form of drug pushing, and that all DFW did in switching weed for MAOI inhibitors was trade a non-addictive drug to one that was SO addictive that discontinuing it drove him to suicide. Which kinda invalidates the elaborate intellectual structure of Infinite Jest, doesn't it? Sorry I'm not making this point very well but it's quarter past 1 and I wish this boy would just text me back. Even his ex-girlfriend told him we should be dating.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:19:54 2015 No.7164449 >>7164418 I only follow her on Twitter because other people I like follow her on Twitter (Weird Twitter)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:24:07 2015 No.7164465 >>7164448 so the boy is straight and you're a woman? obviously there's other possibilities, but im asking. also, cmon, the drugs corrected a chemical imbalance.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:24:47 2015 No.7164467 >>7164465 and created another one somewhere else

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:27:52 2015 No.7164479 he couldnt have cured his depression with weed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:32:30 2015 No.7164496 >>7164392 I'm actually friends with Steve and this is hilarious (he's a total hack, of course, but he's a nice guy and I wouldn't say that to his face). >Mormon crossfit instructor You made my night twice. Good show.

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 01:32:50 2015 No.7164498

>>7164419
It's quite clearly explained Slothrop doesn't know what's going on, but I have never been able to figure out how his penis is supposed to know in advance where the Imipolex-G is going to wind up. Some form of precognition is going on in that strand of the plot, isn't there?

>>7164438
Pics or it didn't happen.

>>7164447
Well, that's a tough question. I mean, it depends on where we draw the line for aesthetics. For example: if you want to read beautiful prose---like beautiful in the sense of musical---Sir Thomas Browne writes some of the most beautiful prose in English. But does that mean I'd tell you to go read "Pseudodoxia Epidemica" or "Hydriotaphia" or "The Garden of Cyrus" for sheer aesthetic aptitude? I feel the same way about Burton's "Anatomy of Melancholy." Like: why doesn't English get written like that anymore? What would happen if we all suddenly started loving artificiality in prose?

But that's the thing. Aesthetics ends up being narrowly defined---who writes "pretty" prose. Nabokov does. And yes, I rank Nabokov that highly. But who learned from Nabokov? Well, Updike--alas--and early Edmund White. I don't know I'd advise anyone to read Updike, or early Edmund White. But you can learn a lot about how to make sentences beautiful by reading them. But I don't know if you can learn about how to make a novel beautiful.

Sorry, but you asked me about who the best writers of all time are in terms of aesthetic skill. Well, everybody's canon is different. I'd pick Nabokov, Keats, Tennyson, Eliot, Stevens, Petronius, Shakespeare, Joyce. Then I think about how much I love Lorrie Moore, and whether I could put her on that same list. I think of how underrated early Rachel Ingalls is. But I also love Lautreamont and Rimbaud, can I put them on that list? I think of how exquisite "Villa des Roses" by Willem Ellschott is, and wonder if I will ever find anyone who is just weirdly moved by it.

The rules for aesthetics are weird. You have to be in the mood to laugh while wanting to cry when you read Lorrie Moore, and that's a different aesthetic category from Joyce---although honestly I respond more to "Real Estate" or "To Fill" than I do to anything in "Dubliners". And I"m also certain there are people who would laugh me out of the room for saying that. ("To Fill" isn't even a great story. I just remember how it made me cry once.)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:39:07 2015 No.7164512 Have you read any of Evan Dara's novels?

Not-Believing Sun Sep 27 01:39:51 2015 No.7164516

>>7164498
Thanks for the thorough response. I would list Keats, Stevens, Woolf, Wordsworth, and Shakespeare as in the highest tier probably. I haven't read Ulysses.

And yes, I think you should be suggesting Hydriotaphia as reading material, though perhaps not The Anatomy of Melancholy.

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 01:42:49 2015 No.7164526

>>7164465
Nah, he's queer but kinda new to it, I'm queer but utterly jaded, or thought i was till I met him, now I'm Wilde again, beguiled again, a whimpering simpering &c. and he won't text me.

>>7164496
OMG you know him? I mean, I have actually paid attention to his work, a little. It's so achingly sincere, but at the same time it has these building blocks of irony that are used in the service of aching sincerity. It's like if somebody wrote a cornball jokebook that, by the time you finished it, turned out to actually have been a prayer-book all along. It's sweet, and I don't want to be too unkind about him, because he seems to mean well. Also, it's performance poetry. You don't judge the Mimiamboi of Herondas by the same standard as you judge the Aeneid.

The reason he sticks out in my mind is that a few years ago I was flirting with some boy on Grindr who said his chief hobby was poetry. So I messaged him and said "who's your favorite poet?" Expecting to hear Sylvia Plath if he was dumb, or maybe Elizabeth Bishop if he was bright. "Steve Roggenbuck" he says. "Oh," I respond, taken aback that he's given me a name I have never heard, "I've never heard of Roggenbuck." And it was at that point that he started making fun of me for referring to a poet by the last name---which is what you do with a poet, but which is obviously not what you do with a YouTuber unless you wish to sound like an asshole and a snob. (Although I not only admire the work of Crocker, I'd pin him and mount him like a butterfly.) But then it had never occurred to me that there was such a thing as Poetry on YouTube. I mostly go around wondering why, if YouTube is such a democratization of filmmaking technology, why is there no John Waters of YouTube? And the answer is: there's no standard of taste left to violate. In the arts as in American politics, the center did not hold, and mere roggenbuck is loosed upon the poetry world (which isn't THAT bad)---while the Mad Tea Party prepares to cut off America's nose to spite its face (which will turn out to be even worse than anybody suspects)

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 01:47:56 2015 No.7164538

>>7164512
TBH i hadn't heard of him until you mentioned the name---but now I just googled and I'm intrigued. Since I'm a big fan of Richard Powers---while really NOT a fan of Vollmann---so I'm hard-pressed to think what sort of writer could possibly get blurbed by both?? Have you read him? Where would you tell me to start?

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:50:15 2015 No.7164547

>>7164526

Steve and I actually go back a few years. So yes, you could say I know him. We had a mutual friend and all met up one night. Less pretentious in person than in his work, although being the eternal cynic I was hesitant to say anything to him in person. We actually talked a bit about sports and movies because I had no interest in discussing real poetry with him. Not a bad guy, but to consider him an elite poet is of course horseshit

And Chris Crocker is the closest you get to John Waters on YouTube (you know, the Britney Spears guy)

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:50:53 2015 No.7164549

>>7164538
I haven't read him, but The Lost Scrapbook is supposedly good, though. In my own googling I don't remember Powers blurbing Dara. People thought Dara was Powers, though. Nobody knows who he is. Unlike Pynchon, this guy's never been photographed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:57:23 2015 No.7164560 Have you ever been interviewed?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:09:44 2015 No.7164587 What translation of Homer should I read?

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 02:14:47 2015 No.7164595

>>7164547
I know. That was my joke about "Crocker" referring to him the way one does with artists, by last name. (Of course when one is a moron one believes that "Da Vinci" is Leonardo's last name and one writes a book called "The Da Vinci Code".)

>>7164549
Oh. Maybe I should start pretending to be him on /lit/ if I ever try this again. But of course you'll know I'm bluffing because you are really him.

It actually feels like this has been therapeutic rather than anything else, but then watch as Bill Maher has Franzen on again next month, and asks him "So....is it true Milliken in Purity isn't actually based on MacAfee, but is based on Tao Lin?" and I have to go call that asshole shrink I saw 7 years ago and ask him if we are living in the Matrix.

(I apologize that my rhetorical strategy entails sounding crazier and gayer than I really am, but that's the only way to prevent people from realizing I'm Adam Haslett.)

>>7164560
Yes. And as a result I don't trust journalists, I know I'm not any good on the radio, and I see the wisdom of Nabokov's way of submitting to interviews. It's a nightmare to allow people who wish they were writers to sit there and pretend to like you for 90 minutes, then go home and put words in your mouth. FWIW I was interviewed by a newspaper in a major American city once upon a time. The journalist asked me about my work, spent 2 hours with me or whatever. Then when the article came out it contained my name, followed by the words "who is openly gay". As it happened, the journalist had never asked me "are you gay?" and I had not told her. If she had asked at the time, I would have said "I prefer the term queer and I prefer not to discuss my sexuality" or maybe I would have said "My friends know I'm sexually omnivorous, but I kinda haven't gotten round to telling my family yet"----both of which would have been true. But instead, I got to be outed by a major American newspaper. And there was nothing I could do about it. I honestly should have done what I contemplated at the time which was to write

>To the Editor:
>A recent interview with me in the Arts section
>described me as "openly gay". I take issue
>with this, as anyone who knows me can tell
>you I am deeply closeted.
>Indignantly yours,

But to be honest I was so freaked out by the experience, I didn't have the nerve.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:15:25 2015 No.7164598 >>7164587 Robert Fitzgerald

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:17:00 2015 No.7164603 >>7163652 RARE A R E

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 02:24:42 2015 No.7164621

>>7164587
>>7164587
I prefer Fitzgerald, for the Iliad anyway. Fagles and Lattimore aren't bad, I suppose, I wouldn't tell anybody to avoid them. I just happen to like Fitzgerald.

However, whenever anybody asks me this question, I do always say----after you read whichever translation you select---just for your educational purposes, pick your favorite section of the poem, and then go and read how Alexander Pope translated it. (If you don't have a favorite section after reading the Iliad, though, I'd suggest doing this exercise with the episode of Sarpedon and Glaucus.)

Because I find it really weird that Pope basically WAS Homer in English for centuries and then suddenly---sometime in the late 19th century or so----his poetic license expired and nobody reads Pope's Homer anymore.

But it's worth looking at it, just to get some sense of how our view of Homer and of translation has changed over the past few centuries. The Sarpedon / Glaucus episode is particularly nice, because (a) it's got a speech about noblesse oblige, and that's related to the cultural environment that exalted Pope's translation for centuries, and (b) Pope parodies the noblesse oblige speech in "The Rape of the Lock" so it's interesting to see how the same writer handles the passage when trying to make it sound heroic, and again when trying to mock it.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:27:08 2015 No.7164628

I had a feeling you'd say Fitzgerald, since he's the poet of the three. Lattimore tries to write Greekish English poetry, and Fagles, I don't know. Supposedly his battle scenes are good. Only read the Aeneid. But once again a hunch of mine regarding you is correct.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:29:29 2015 No.7164636 Actually I just realized you said "for the Iliad anyway." It's usually Fitzgerald's Odyssey that he gets credit for. When I first looked into Fitzgerald's Iliad, it seemed to me kind of (Stanley) Lombardoish, if you know his translations.

>>	Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 02:37:13 2015 No.7164650 >>7164603 >R A R E >A >R >E Reassure me that's not some kind of secret satanic cipher.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:37:16 2015 No.7164651 Haslett's almost a match, btw. NYer, gay, writer in various genres, was in his 30s five years ago... but he's a prof with an MFA, and you've said you're neither. His growing up partly in England also made me think of your use in 2010 of "offence."

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:37:31 2015 No.7164652 Pseudo Pynchon 1. What is your favorite meme? 2. Who are your favorite or most influential critics 3. Do you have an opinion on e-readers?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:38:30 2015 No.7164657 >>7164650 It's just a somewhat new meme that's already getting pretty old.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:40:35 2015 No.7164662 Hey Not Pynchon, what's your favorite anime, Lol? Do you liek Haruhi Suzumiya? What's the literary equivalent of Neon Genesis Evangelion? Could you defeat Madara Uchiha?

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 02:45:43 2015 No.7164671

>>7164628
>>7164636

Oh wow I may have looked at Lombardo but damned if I can remember his version. I think what sort of fascinates me about Fitzgerald is that I feel like his blank verse has the right kind of feel. Classicists used to say that Lattimore was the one that felt more like Homer, longer line and all, but it's been a while since I've talked to a classicist and I have no clue what they say nowadays. Also, I sorta like the fact that Fitzgerald makes the names all so close to transliteration of the Greek that it defamiliarizes it. But maybe everybody does that now. I can't remember how Fagles spells Achilles, tbh.

And hey if you think we'd get along and there's some way we could be friends without me having to drag my actual identity into it, lemme know. Or tell me some other hunches and I'll respond honestly. :)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:50:06 2015 No.7164683 Hey NP What do you think of icycalm, Sam Hyde, Mira Gonzales, Laurie Penny, Russell Brand, James Franco, Norm Macdonald, John Green, Sam Harris, Gene Wolfe, Slavoj Zizek, Harold Bloom, Donald Trump

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:51:01 2015 No.7164685 He looks like a serial killer.

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 03:02:19 2015 No.7164703

>>7164651
Okay, so call Adam Haslett and ask if he remembers going on a blind date in 1999-2000 and having a terrible time. :P

>>7164652
1. Hipster Ariel. Is that a banal choice?
2. Umm...I'm pretty boring in that department. I think Wilde is probably the most interesting critical mind for anyone who wants to be a writer. I like Empson, Christopher Ricks, John Carey (without agreeing with him). John Hollander, Richard Howard, Stephen Greenblatt. Harold Bloom is a fascinating mess and I'm sure I bitched about him in 2010. I find the current generation of critics pretty meh though (Kirsch, Daniel Mendelson, etc.). But like, as far as I'm concerned, you haven't lived until you've read William Empson explaining why Paradise Lost is meant to make God look bad, or how he's very sure that Andrew Marvell's mid-period verse was inspired by wanting to fellate the guy who mowed the lawn at Fairfax's house, or how he has an inkling that WB Yeats really wanted to become a mechanical bird after death.
3. I seldom use one because, for whatever reason, I find things i read in printed books to lodge in my memory---sometimes in a frighteningly accurate way---whereas e-readers give me the same experience as reading a photocopied version of a book. Something lacks solidity, I can't remember what I read as well.
>>7164662
Rose of Versailles, but only because I like drag and I definitely think Saint-Just was the sexiest Jacobin. Otherwise my taste in anime is pretty banal: Deathnote and Ghost in the Shell. I have a theory that the reason Light Yagami's nemesis is named "L" is because Light Yagami is a high school student and he knows that he won't get into a top-tier university if he keeps calling himself "Right Yagami" by accident. I have no idea what your other questions even mean, I assume it would be like me asking you to compare and contrast Lucan's Pharsalia, Nonnus's Dionysiaca, and The Purple Island by Giles Fletcher. Why don't you tell me which of the things you mentioned I should know? I'll probably google them anyway. And I know I've been told to look at Neon Genesis Evangelion before. Doesn't it have something to do with Jesuits or something? Some Jesuit wrote an essay about it?

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 03:10:06 2015 No.7164712

>>7164703
>Harold Bloom is a fascinating mess and I'm sure I bitched about him in 2010.
I remember that thread. IIRC you talked about his lust for young women and recounted one time he threw a pen across the room after a mention of Matthew Arnold. That was fun.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 03:10:13 2015 No.7164713 Among contemporary novelists, who do you feel an affinity with?

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 03:17:21 2015 No.7164722

>>7164703
>Why don't you tell me which of the things you mentioned I should know?
Well, I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu. I'm NOT Talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after Alucard, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu and having eaten Popeye's spinach. I'm talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Legendary Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with his Shining Trapezohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after having absorbed Alucard as well as a God Hand, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit, with Kryptonian DNA implanted in him and having eaten Popeye's spinach while possessing quantum powers like Dr. Manhattan and having mastered Hokuto Shinken.

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 03:17:45 2015 No.7164723

>>7164683
>icycalm,
Is that a masturbation technique? Oh that's a C not a P. No clue what you're talking about.
>Sam Hyde,
who?
>Mira Gonzales,
who?
>Laurie Penny,
name rings a bell but who?
>Russell Brand,
just a tinky-winky-dinky bit grating, innit? that endless singsong and the idiotic sort of leftist twaddle that gives a bad name to the sort of leftist twaddle i otherwise wholeheartedly endorse. and that time he deliberately let journalists know he would be going to kate moss's house to fuck. UGH. he's grates like a hairshirt. he can suck my cockywock.
>James Franco,
is easily the worst thing to happen to Hart Crane since the Gulf of Mexico entered his nostrils. We made a sex tape, though. I just wish he'd let me release it, I need the money.
>Norm Macdonald,
at least he's not Dennis Miller. is what I imagine he says in the mirror every morning.
>John Green,
If Erich Segal had a YouTube channel instead of fluency in Latin and Greek
>Sam Harris,
well, now that Dawkins has gone full retard, I guess Sam can breathe deep. I really don't understand how a professional evangelist thinks that what he's morally superior just because what he's evangelizing for may have greater evidentiary claims. Agnosticism has the best evidentiary claims of all, and who goes around promoting that, except Ron Rosenbaum on a slow night?
>Gene Wolfe,
sci-fi or something? never read him
>Slavoj Zizek,
I kinda like those movies he's in. Pervert's Guide to Ideology, etc. I can't keep up with all his published work. Can he?
>Harold Bloom,
I always think of AD Nuttall's review of Bloom's Shakespeare book in 98 or 99. It was the fairest summary of Bloom I think I've ever read. I can't quite remember how Nuttall phrased it, but it was along the lines of Russell Lowell on Poe: "two fifths of him genius, and three fifths sheer fudge".
>Donald Trump
Will be the first American President to have inspired "Gremlins 2". The fact that Key and Peele did not mention this in their otherwise admirable and comprehensive recent survey of the underrated and casually surreal spectacle that is "Gremlins 2" is wholly unforgiveable. I wrote a strongly-worded letter to Skip Gates about it, since I'm pretty sure he was their showrunner.
>>7164685
Who does?

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 03:19:29 2015 No.7164724

>>7164712
Well, he was only interested in female students. The only one who ever claimed he was openly a letchy was Naomi Wolf, and Naomi Wolf also told a Toronto newspaper that Jesus appeared to her on a book-tour. I will say, however, that what Naomi Wolf claims he said as he groped her---"you have the aura of election upon you, my dear"---sounds like vintage bloom. And yeah. It was a pencil.

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 03:27:31 2015 No.7164738

>>7164713
Like contemporary as in "living" or as in, like, "under 50"?
>>7164722
Intriguingly, you've made a point about Japanese culture that I have often made. It is imitative without actually comprehending anything about what it's imitating apart from surface style. Like, presumably you're attempting to parody how my otherwise nonsensical-sounding pronouncements must sound to you, because you're less well-informed than I am but also too lazy to type a few words into Wikipedia. This process is something that's painfully evident in Japanese cinema---where a film like "Princess Mononoke" looks almost like a Hollywood movie, insofar as it seems to have climaxes at almost the roughly same points that a Hollywood movie would, except the thing is that a Hollywood movie actually makes sense. The problem is that, of course, classical Japanese art never engages with dramatic conflict---there's no sense of plot, suspense, or rising action. Instead of conflict and resolution, it's based around stasis versus action. Which means that watching a Kabuki drama is roughly similar to watching a baseball game----nothing happens for 7 innings, then everything happens in approximately 6 minutes and god help you if that's when you were getting a beer, then nothing happens for another two innings. This explains why the Japanese like both Kabuki and baseball, and why their novels and films frequently bear the same resemblance to their occidental models that a california roll bears to actual edible crabmeat.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 03:29:26 2015 No.7164743 >>7164738 Under 50, in your generation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 03:29:42 2015 No.7164745 >>7164738 >Like, presumably you're attempting to parody how my otherwise nonsensical-sounding pronouncements must sound to you, because you're less well-informed than I am but also too lazy to type a few words into Wikipedia. lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 03:39:14 2015 No.7164755 You said in 2010 that you'd had 3 books published. Have you had any more published in the meantime?

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 03:52:28 2015 No.7164778

>>7164743
>>7164743
Hmm. I'm not quite sure who qualifies as my generation since I don't feel like googling people's ages. I liked "The Sisters Brothers". I liked "Lives of the Monster Dogs" and I think it's a shame she never wrote another book. I liked Kevin Barry, "Dark Lies the Island", but it's not a novel. I thought Ben Kunkel's novel was halfway decent--not great, I wish he'd write another but instead he's apparently become a mediocre playwright and a first-rate Marxist pamphleteer (which is like being a first-rate Priestess of Artemis or something--cui bono?). I liked ZZ Packer's book of short stories. I can't really think when's the last time I've been blown away by something. I haven't looked at Garth "Risk Is My Middle Name" Hallberg yet, but obviously that's what everybody is bleating about in the present fashion-year. It's far easier for me to say what I *don't* like in the same age cohort, but I don't think I should.

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 03:56:26 2015 No.7164785

>>7164755
Jesus, do you have an archive of everything I said in 2010? Was that when I was talking about Pynchon and Mary McCarthy and whatnot? By 2011, I was on here way more often, but also blending in better and saying nothing about myself.

I've published stuff in the ensuing 5 years but not a book.

Are you asking because you're trying to figure out who I am? Do you have any candidates?

I mean, you know how this ends. You say "Rumplestiltskin" and I vanish in a cloud of flames.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 03:58:45 2015 No.7164787

>>7164785
No, I just read through all the "It's Pynchon!" threads yesterday and all the info is fresh in my mind. And in general I have a good memory.

I am curious about you who are, but as I said way up there, if I ever figured it out I wouldn't spill it, so you can rest easy. Just curious.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 04:07:40 2015 No.7164802

Have you read Joseph McElroy? Someone in a thread a month ago called him the most talented living prose stylist in English: >>/lit/thread/S7021697#p7022210 , >>/lit/thread/S7021697#p7026971 . That Anon doesn't seem to rank Nabokov too highly in that respect, though, very differently from you: >>/lit/thread/S7021697#p7026989

Curious about your thoughts

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 05:02:44 2015 No.7164878

>>7164778
Hmm, I have Kunkel's novel sitting around my room somewhere and that's honestly a better endorsement of it than I've seen anywhere else. Maybe I'll pick that up next.

What do you think of Zadie Smith? Teju Cole? China Mieville? Kazuo Ishiguro?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 08:24:14 2015 No.7165226 >>7163610 I kek'd.

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 08:25:11 2015 No.7165229

Fell asleep with computer on my lap. Maybe I should try a bed.

>>7164802
In college, I recall talking to someone about 5 or 6 years older than me, who told me with genuine enthusiasm that "Women and Men" was the postmodernist epic par excellence, bla bla. So I tracked down a copy in a used book store, which I still have someplace, and I started it, but didn't get very far. I don't remember the prose in the slightest, but this is a long while ago, and I didn't really give it a shot. So I haven't read him---however, those posts are officially the second time I've heard someone make that kind of case for McElroy. And the first time I heard somebody making the case for him, I was moved enough by what I was told that I went and bought the book. Always the best excuse for not quite reading it.

However: Googling and finding out that Lethem and Garth "Risk Is My Middle Name" Hallberg have recommended McElroy too does make me wonder whether some kind of revival is happening? In which case I'd better dredge out my copy, which is in storage.

>>7164878
"halfway decent--not great" is a better endorsement than anywhere else? I like fictional pharmaceuticals, or pharmaceuticals in fiction, and his is handled amusingly.

But if your patience wears thin with the likes of Aslan, Kallocain, Dylar, DMZ, Chew-Z, Substance D, or Glint (also known as Glow, Glimer, and Satan's Harelip) you'll hate it, since Aboulinix is about the funniest thing in the book. Ahd that mainly reminds me of that moment around the time the book was published, when artists and intellectuals suddenly discovered Adderall. (Around the same time JS Foer's brother published an article on scoring some Adderall on the street and getting paid to tell readers of Slate.com what it was like.) But I didn't hate it, if that qualifies as an endorsement?

"Open City" I liked. I haven't read China Mieville. I like Ishiguro, although I haven't read this Arthurian foggy one which is sitting by my bed. Nor have I read The Unconsoled.

The Real Smith Zadie isn't all that interesting to me---well, the irony of changing her name from Sadie to Zadie in order to sound blacker, more exotic, or less Cantabrigian represents a kind of delicious historical irony in my mind (imagine if LeRoi Jones had decided in 1967 to change his name to L'Empereur Jones!)---but "White Teeth" seemed like a kind of harmless, here-I-thought-up-these-novelty-plotpoints work (Jehovah's witnesses! Identical twins! Muslim suicide bombers!) that, if it had been published by a man, would have ranked with the novels of (say) James Finney Boylan. (I.e., they don't seem to get much attention even now that Finney Boylan is getting attention elsewhere and hawking non-fiction books on Oprah for entirely different reasons.)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 08:43:42 2015 No.7165264 >>7164189 >People who like him really seem to like him, but I saw the page-length and immediately flashed back to John Updike's review of "infinite jest" and what he said about long books. what did Updike say? can't find the review

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 09:43:57 2015 No.7165393

>>7164723
>Sam Hyde,
nazi comedy icon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUHRL2OhpiM
>Mira Gonzales,
the alt-lit queen to Tao Lin's king
http://thequietus.com/articles/13277-two-poems-mira-gonzalez
>Laurie Penny,
sjw loon/opportunist, there's one incident worth looking into though
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/laurie-penny/2012/02/women-white-miller-woman-young-2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV7Zlk6GYas

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 11:23:37 2015 No.7165695

>>7165264
This is driving me nuts now, I can't find it either. But it does seem unlikely Updike reviewed IJ and Wallace responded with that dismissal of Updike's whole career, the essay where he called Updike a walking penis or whatever.

So now I'm trying to remember what I did read in 1996. Either it was an Updike review of something else, or it was someone else's review of Infinite Jest. But it started with a sentence along the lines of "Whenever you are faced with a novel this long, your first question should be: why isn't it shorter?" Or something along those lines.

If this review doesn't exist, let me know. I feel like somebody needs to write an honest review of DFW at some point. (Plus, he was friends with my prom date.)

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 11:37:07 2015 No.7165746

>>7165695
>I feel like somebody needs to write an honest review of DFW at some point.

If by that you mean a critical review, there have been plenty of them. In fact it seems easier to find a negative review of Infinite Jest than a positive one. James Wood, Michiko Kakutani and Harold Bloom all trashed it.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 11:57:17 2015 No.7165803

>>7165695
That 'Narcissist' review was all I could find as well, and it does seem unintellectually defensive. I have no idea where to find the Updike review.

Here's a trashing of IJ and DFW (along with Eggers and Vollman). The bias is palpable right away to a sustained degree, but the arguments add up. (pile on, that is)
http://exiledonline.com/david-foster-wallace-portrait-of-an-infinitely-limited-mind/

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 12:13:01 2015 No.7165854 >>7165746 >>7165803 I think there are some clear faults to IJ. But how can a 1000 page novel not be faulted? Its subtitle was "A Failed Entertainment." I think its faults are just a part of its character really though.

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 12:32:03 2015 No.7165908

>>7165746
>>7165803

That's not really what I had in mind.

Yes, it's frustrating when a writer's suicide leads to that writer being overrated. It happens all the time. Do we have to go around kicking the corpse?

Everybody still knows who Sylvia Plath is, despite the fact that most of her late poems are precisely what Harold Bloom said they were ("coercive rhetoric"..."poignant, or a tantrum, or a poignant tantrum"...."hysterical insanity, whatever its momentary erotic appeal, is not an affect that endures in verse"). So when Plath compares having a 103-degree fever to Hiroshima, or accidentally cutting her thumb while preparing dinner to an Indian scalping a pilgrim and a Kamikaze pilot, then compares the bandage to a Ku Klux Klan robe, and does so with no discernible sense of humor....well, that IS coercive rhetoric. In the parlance of our times, she is constructing poems out of trigger-words and microaggressions (or macroaggressions) against husband, daddy, reader, world.

DFW is a different case, though. He's not manipulative like Plath. He's also a novelist: he's not trying to burn anything into the reader's memory. His suicide sounds a lot sadder and more abashed, even if it does ultimately undercut the thesis of his books. It really does seem to me like, when he discovered the prescription drugs didn't work anymore, he realized he'd just traded the pusher who sold him weed at Amherst to a pusher whose qualifications included dissecting a corpse and mumbling the Hippocratic oath. But he did not bother to articulate any of that before dying, which is a shame. It needs to be said: psychiatry stepped gingerly aside as its Freudian paradigm went down in flames in the 80s and 90s to be replaced by a pharmacological paradigm conducted largely by trial and error. Sometimes those errors are horrific, and overall it looks like the psychiatric profession is basically conducting a giant chemistry experiment on the public that will seem in retrospect barbaric. Meanwhile they ask us to await a neurological paradigm that has yet to materialize.

I think DFW was just an extremely ambitious Midwestern kid, with the habits and naiveté of an autodidact and the formal education of a mid-tier intellectual, who had a lot of drive, a need for a formal intellectual approach to fiction, and nothing to write about. Broom shows it. Then he went to rehab and he thought, maybe I can use my philosophy training and this shred of personal experience to approach the big philosophical issue, God's existence, in an American philosophy way---to consider the Higher Power of 12 step programs as a pragmatically-constructed but fully operant deity-substitute. IJ is a novel with a thesis and that's it. That's why the concluding pages have some random unintelligible transcendent event inserted in (the wraith), as though he knew it had to go in there, but had the good sense to be a little abashed about it.

The problem with IJ isn't the thesis, though. (1/2)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 12:33:32 2015 No.7165912 File: 519 KB, 2164x680, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7164723 Not-Not-Pynchon I am disappointed with yr slip, ye were doing so well!

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 12:46:28 2015 No.7165958

>>7165908
(2/2)
The problem with IJ is the autobiographical content. He didn't have anything to write about: philosophical motives frequently result in poor fiction. When's the last time you curled up in the window-seat with Fenelon's Telemaque? Joyce, Proust, and Mann---which fell out of the canon first?

Mann, obviously, who offers a good point of comparison to DFW. Mann scratched his most obvious autobiographical itch in Buddenbrooks and then had the good sense to approach fiction for what it is: storytelling. Does Zauberberg have a story? Kinda. The woman who wrote Mann a fan letter saying "I read your novel, and on no page was I bored, yet on every page I was shocked I was not bored" was spot-on. But it's a more readable novel-with-thesis than IJ precisely because there's less of the author in it. The problem is that, the further we get away from the vanished 19th century Mann was anatomizing, the less interesting or relevant the book seems to readers. Now it seems like an extended mediation on the proximate causes of WW1, not a book you can read to learn more about yourself. Or whatever we want from novels.

The problem with IJ is that it applies encyclopedic methods to what is essentially autobiographical content. Drug addiction, Tennis, and TV/filmed entertainment (which is all narrative and never autobiography). These were DFW's autobiographical obsessions, and the novel's. The pseudo-political plotline is the one that makes the least sense, because it's the one that DFW is least invested in personally.

But to apply the example of Mann, the modernist with a similar encyclopedic and philosophical bent to DFW, shows us where IJ goes wrong. It's like if the Magic Mountain was populated solely by members of the Buddenbrook family. I'm not saying DFW's characters are authorial stand-ins: obviously Don Gately is a rounded, interesting character, and a relatively successful approach to a real novelistic problem that DFW was canny enough to identify, i.e., why is it so hard to represent a decent human being in fiction? George Eliot would have been proud to create a character like that except--there are moments when Don isn't so decent, and it's not because he's being human and fallible, it's because he's pressing the 12-step agenda that provides the thesis to this novel-with-thesis. Which does mean he's an authorial stand-in at his worst moments--but just a stand-in for a highly philosophical author in his moments of pure casuistry. (damn, okay, so 2/3--I'll finish in the next post)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 12:58:24 2015 No.7166021 >>7165958 You do a great job of saying lots of things without saying anything at all

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 13:00:11 2015 No.7166033

>>7165958

Again, if you want to compare IJ to Zauberberg, then let's note that there's no equivalent to Naphta---the nihilistic presence that threatens to undercut the whole philosophical enterprise.

In IJ, this would have been represented by a drug user who doesn't fit the 12-step definition of a drug user: someone who uses them successfully and happily. A cameo by William S Burroughs would have sufficed, a happy nutty 80yo smack addict perfectly fine with being a smack addict, living on inherited wealth and writing masturbatory fantasies for entertainment and literary glory.

Instead, the successful drug addict in IJ was the man doing the typing and taking his psychiatric meds. And ignoring the fact that MAOI inhibitors (or whatever primitive antidepressant he was on, can't recall) are just as bad for you, and harder to discontinue using, than the cannabis that IJ is at pains to demonize, or the other drugs-of-choice that Gately's wards were hooked on.

Basically, I think the limitations of IJ are that DFW didn't have much to work with except an autobiography that wasn't so remarkable or interesting----apart from tennis, and being (in Mary Karr's words) a creepy pussy-hound, he apparently spent most of his time doing his homework and assigned reading. He clearly liked the idea of applying his philosophical methods to pop culture, hence that dumb co-written book about rap music. But until he decided he had a problem with drugs, and he realized he had to confront a philosophical issue (God's existence) in a real-world way (12 step program), he didn't have a solid thesis for the kind of ambitious novel he wanted to write----but once he had the thesis, he did not have the chief novelistic skill to go along with it, which is making up a story. His paradigm is essentially neoclassical not modern---you take an idea and then illustrate it with fiction, like Fenelon's Telemaque---but in terms of neoclassical criticism, he "lacks invention". And in terms of the logical propositions of his overall thesis, he seemed to miss the yawning gap in the enterprise---which was that he was addicted to legal drugs, while writing 1000+ pages to limn the wonders of foisting a religious cure onto those addicted to the illegal ones.

I could make the points better if I were actually writing an essay on DFW but meh. You get what I'm saying. Apologies for prolixity and reduplication. I'm just typing what I'd say in conversation if you were here listening and letting me rattle on uninterrupted.

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 13:02:56 2015 No.7166051

>>7165912
Sorry, who are you and what's with the David Icke / Der Stürmer bullshit? Doesn't this board have a janitor?

>>7166021
Why don't you critique what I said now that I've concluded it. I'm sure you wouldn't dare countenance criticism of Infinite Jest from somebody who'd only read 666 pages of its bulk. Why do you criticize my comments on it when you only read 2/3? Have MAOI inhibiting drugs caused you physical and mental ejaculatio praecox like they did with Dave?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:13:46 2015 No.7166098 >>7166051 I think you're emphasising too much of the drug stuff. You're also implying that Wallace had conclusive thoughts on the drug issue - which he didn't really. His novel is more about raising questions than giving answers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:24:28 2015 No.7166146 All these fucking conspiracies, all these anonymous impersonations, I'm confused deeply now /lit/...it's absurd to have games of cat and mouse go on to this level.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:30:21 2015 No.7166171

>>7166033
I don't think that he attacked drugs per se so much as the underlying desire for escape (from reality, from oneself) that leads a certain type of personality to seek refuge in them, and the society that he felt was at fault for producing this type of personality in such abundance. Also, I believe that his own problematic substance was booze, not weed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:31:57 2015 No.7166183 >>7166051 Just leave this thread already and stop replying to yourself..Pathetic...

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:32:57 2015 No.7166190 >>7165229 >James Finney Boylan u know wut ur doing, and u must stop this, fuckr

>>	Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 13:36:01 2015 No.7166200 >>7166171 It was weed. It could not have been booze. >>7166146 You are probably too stupid to understand the real conspiracies anyway... >>7166183 Shut up you nigger

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:40:11 2015 No.7166212 >>7166200 >It was weed. It could not have been booze. http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/david-foster-wallace-in-recovery-an-excerpt-from-the-new-biography You're an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:40:21 2015 No.7166213 >>7166021 I'd like to see you post something more substantive.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:41:12 2015 No.7166216 >>7166200 D. T. Max, David Lipsy and others report that he was first and foremost an alcoholic. I don't buy that anyone goes to AA for marijuana addiction, even a pussy like Wallace.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:42:50 2015 No.7166220 >>7164353 LONDON

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:43:40 2015 No.7166224 >>7166213 Do you mean that sincerely; are you interested in hearing more? Or are you just criticising my brevity?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:47:17 2015 No.7166232 >>7166224 More? No, not more of what you've posted: something substantive.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:50:11 2015 No.7166238 >>7166224 Please disregard that anon and spare us whatever DWFanboyism it is you have in mind

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:52:43 2015 No.7166250 >>7164526 >I'm wilde again, beguiled again >I was tired again and I tried again >and now my heart is full Are you a morrissey fan?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:52:51 2015 No.7166253 I do't mean to interrupt your circlejerk, but how's bleeding edge compared with other pynchon novels? I'm thinking of buying it

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:54:13 2015 No.7166261 >>7166250 >pin and mount him like a butterfly Of course he is

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:55:12 2015 No.7166264 Mr. Not Not-Pynchon overstayed and overtalked. Next time, pop in, keep it short, accurate, don't name-fag, and disappear. It might work!

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 13:55:41 2015 No.7166267

>>7166183
Vae te, sceleste.

>>7166190
This is the novel I was referring to:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Planets-James-Finney-Boylan/dp/0517178516
The fact that it has not received sufficient readership to warrant a new edition without the author's deadname on the cover ain't my problem. Bibliographical accuracy =/= transphobia.

>>7166213
Ok, give me topics that you find interesting, and if I have anything substantive to say on one of them, I'll say it. And then you can mock me and feel authentically proud of your efforts in doing so. Please. Let me entertain you, as Robbie WIlliams and/or Baby June used to say.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:55:47 2015 No.7166269 >>7166232 >>7166238 I don't understand what either of you are talking about. Are you from /r9k/ or /pol/ or something?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:56:34 2015 No.7166271 >>7166253 It's his weakest effort by some way in my opinion. I like that he finally named the Jew, though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:58:43 2015 No.7166284 >>7166267 >Ok, give me topics that you find interesting I like how you read the thread now assuming every post is directed at you, which could certainly make for some awkward moments, but at least you're unflappable

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 13:58:55 2015 No.7166286

>>7166250
>>7166261
Haha. Look, we established I'm queer. Can we just assume a familiarity with Moz rather than any actual liking/appreciation/fandom? Because to be honest, he is frankly an embarrassment. And I seriously resent having to consider his autobiography as a Penguin Classic alongside the autobiographies of Frederick Douglass, Benvenuto Cellini, P.T. Barnum, and Saint Augustine.
>>7166264
You're utterly correct. On that note, I take my leave. See you again in another 3 years, maybe.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:00:16 2015 No.7166295

>>7166264
It's nice to have someone around who actually has something worthwhile to post about books. Lately it has felt as if the median age around here has dropped significantly. No one ever really thought he was Thomas Pynchon, I hope. I don't support namefaggotry though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:00:21 2015 No.7166296 >>7166286 Dang

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:02:09 2015 No.7166303 >>7166286 We won't miss you. >>7166295 He didn't say anything worthwhile.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:03:47 2015 No.7166309 >>7166295 Lit is pretty much shit since the pol invasion

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 14:03:48 2015 No.7166310

>>7166271
I have no desire to feed Judaeophobic trolls, but are you actually suggesting that "Bleeding Edge" validates your anti-Semitism? If the novel maybe hints (vaguely) at Mossad involvement in 9/11, it certainly does not hint at Mossad involvement in Maxine or anyone like her----and SHE'S THE ADMIRABLE HEROINE OF THE NOVEL AND SHE'S JEWISH, IN CASE YOU DIDN'T NOTICE. And resembles the kind of Jewish people that I know and love, even if (say) Sharon or Netanyahu do not. Either you are a moron, or you are imagining the novelist is trolling you when he isn't.

>>7166284
How would you know? Have you ever tried to flap me? I'd consider letting you try if you're cute.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:04:21 2015 No.7166316 >>7166303 Don't get salty just because the guy's wordy. His posts are entertaining as h*ck

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:09:11 2015 No.7166340 >>7166310 What is the perfect willy length?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:09:14 2015 No.7166341 >>7166310 He had to include Maxine the lovable cartoon stereotype to throw the ZOG and pitchfork-wielding SJWs off his scent.

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 14:10:21 2015 No.7166349

>>7166316
You're awfully sweet. I'm glad I'm entertaining somebody.

Really I'm just here so that the NSA has a lot of contradictory data about my own sanity level, because they think I'm more schizophrenic than I genuinely am, and in order to prove that point, all I'm trying to do is little spiders omigod little spiders formicating all over me or aranaeating i suppose help flames flames jonathan edwards sez the devil wants me to perform strenuous cunnilingus on my former landlady while she recounts to me in detail what the plot against me was back in 2011

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:10:47 2015 No.7166352 File: 23 KB, 460x326, Cameron-Pig.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So who is not-pynchon?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:12:02 2015 No.7166357 >>7166352 A high-schooler.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:13:17 2015 No.7166363 If Pynchon himself actually came and posted on 4chan there would probably still be some guy calling him a fag and asking him to leave.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:13:56 2015 No.7166367 what are ur thoughts on the "weird twitter" social phenomenon (e.g. @dril, among others) and do u consider it a legitimate artistic/literary movement

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:13:58 2015 No.7166368

>>7166349

>Really I'm just here so that the NSA has a lot of contradictory data about my own sanity level, because they think I'm more schizophrenic than I genuinely am, and in order to prove that point, all I'm trying to do is little spiders omigod little spiders formicating all over me or aranaeating i suppose help flames flames jonathan edwards sez the devil wants me to perform strenuous cunnilingus on my former landlady while she recounts to me in detail what the plot against me was back in 2011

HAHA SO FUNNY FRIENDO I LOVE RARE PEPES! *tips fedora*

>>	Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 14:15:22 2015 No.7166376 >>7166340 Total top/service top here, ducky: no real opinions about any willy save my own. >>7166341 אַל-תַּעַן כְּסִיל, כְּאִוַּלְתּוֹ: פֶּן-תִּשְׁוֶה-לּוֹ גַם-אָתָּה.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:17:06 2015 No.7166381 >>7163547 >others speculated he was actually several people writing under a pseudonym Damn, this meme goes back.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:18:10 2015 No.7166386 >>7163610 XD

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 14:28:01 2015 No.7166418

>>7166367
Is @dril or horse ebooks or the like entertaining? Yes. Is it literary/artistic? That's problematic. The problem is that culture is being atomized, devoured, digested by the Internet. I don't even have the right verb for what's going on because it's going on now and we are all implicated in it. But one of the more baleful manifestations is the desire to treat art/literature as memetic, i.e., to see them only for their informational content. So a @dril tweet is only artistic insofar as it is memorable---it refuses to offer legitimate information while also forcing itself to stick in your mind lastingly and gratifyingly. In that sense it's an analogue of poetry---I mean, a highly circumscribed form, since 140 characters is no more or less arbitrary than a haiku or a villanelle---but it can't aspire to anything other than what it is. A random linguistic fragment that establishes meaning through a refusal to do so, or through an implied subversion of other poetic meanings. It can't accommodate narrative. It can't do anything but infect the larger flow of time and pseud-information on Twitter as it passes, and it's value comes mainly from the implied critique of everything else on Twitter (mostly, as far as I can tell, journalists being stupid in real time, and self-promotion--charming or tedious as the case may be--on the part of everybody else). So it's like saying that the only place a haiku can exist is in the middle of a physics textbook, and you have to believe the physics textbook is important to fully appreciate the haiku. I have no idea if I'm making sense anymore, but if I didn't make a prolix pretentious effort this wouldn't be /lit/ would it? I guess my point is that it's worth considering as an aesthetic phenomenon on the Internet----but the Internet is so wholly altering those aspects of our brain which respond to art (like, the willingness to have the TEMPORAL experience of Bleak House as part of the narrative experience) that I'm not actually sure any of these categories will still be standing by the time we figure out what Twitter is. For all I know, in 20 years time we will realize that Twitter was the fortune-cookie-factory of the Singularity all along, and nobody noticed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:33:30 2015 No.7166438 >>7163704 His wife is a literary agent. My dad's, actually.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:33:41 2015 No.7166439 >>7166418 Thanks. Btw I feel kind of guilty picking your brain so nonchalantly itt just because you know so much, though you don't seem to mind, so w/e

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:43:32 2015 No.7166471

>>7166418
I think there's a point at which you have to ask the question, "What are the words 'artistic' and 'literary' doing here? What work are they performing?" And I'm not sure what work those words are doing here. I mean, there's a lot of implicit judgments - the concepts of narrative, the concepts of being free-standing, etc. But I don't know how useful those concepts actually are to a consideration of weird twitter. I am not sure those are applicable standards.

So the question then is, what is weird twitter doing, what does it contribute. And I think much of what you're saying is true - it is a circumscribed form, it is highly dependent on the cultural and media context around it for its meaning, it mostly uses humor juxtaposition etc etc etc as the devices. I think that is useful and interesting work to do and I am personally almost always interested in forms that do those things. Similar forms and similar styles have not always been accorded the status of 'art' but I think they have been interesting as communications and comments on their surroundings & if that's not a justification in itself I'm not sure shwat is.

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 14:46:49 2015 No.7166482

>>7166439
I totally don't mind. If I can be of interest to you, o polite friend in the anonymity of the internet, I am glad to do so.

(I mean, as long as you don't mind that I combine an encyclopedic breadth of knowlege / scattershot but frequently well-informed literary opinions, while also being absolutely cripplingly paranoid and anxious outside the written word, such that I am persuaded that the sudden influx of noxious anti-Semites on /lit/ are actually agents of Putin who are trying to winkle out whether I am part of the Philadelphia Experiment, or Chinese hackers who are firmly convinced, based on secret Tibetan astrological data, that I might be Hitler reincarnated and feeling very sad and overly defensive about being beset by dumb anti-Semites because really it was a product of amphetamine toxicity, or whether this is really the Matrix and "amphetamine" means what it says in Greek, a double-eta, written HH, which looks like shorthand for "Heil Hitler", or whether it's the fucking Iranians and Pakistanis, the former who are slightly pissed that they've still got Hekmati in prison based on faulty information they derived from my 4chan posts, the latter still somewhat bewildered that somehow the US government managed to drag VS Ramachandran into refuting what looked like claims on my part that there was a secret plan to adulterate drinking-water in Bangladesh with a new form of amphetamine that could make sweatshop workers not merely hyperproductive but could make them whistle while they work to boot, when in reality I never said anything of the sort, I wrote a work of fiction which would only look like it was hinting at baleful governmental secrets if you thought I was somehow a part of the intelligence community rather than their catspaw, or.....well, look, I can keep doing this all day, because I am insane, but I have plenty of other stuff in the brain too which might be useful or interesting to you, so feel free to pick it while I'm here, or if I vanish again and cease to be a namefag, mostly because of paranoid fears about whether this is a /pol/ invasion or a giant persecutory plot [comprised, Escher-like, or people who are pretending to believe in a giant persecutory plot, while actually perpetrating one against me] directed to destroying what remains of my sanity.)

(I'm not Pynchon but I may be Raymond Roussel. At least this afternoon.)

(I do feel relieved that this website is now under Japanese ownership. moot was distractingly adorable.)

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 14:53:49 2015 No.7166497

>>7166471

Well yeah. If there's an analogue to weird twitter in previous artistic movements, it's probably in Dada. (Hélas.) And that raises the question, what kind of art is anti-art? What kind of art announces a lack of faith in the concept of art?

If I can give you a personal example: I found Horse E-books to be entertaining enough. I don't really pay attention to Twitter so I didn't follow it, but it was cute for what it was. The idea that an inept marketing algorithm would produce little gems of pseudo-poetic nonsense was a beautiful idea. But then I reacted with stone cold horror when I realized some girl had gotten a Horse E-books tweet tattooed on her arm. (I have a really weird set of opinions about tattoos, but I think they're related to underlying assumptions on my part about art, or permanence, or the higher bar set for words that you would consider inscribing: a tattoo is like an epitaph, especially if Leviticus is right and tattoos are profane, or if Morton Smith was right and Jesus had a lot of them.)

So by the time Susan Orlean got to reveal that Horse E-books was actually yet one more self-promoting nonentity on Twitter---not a wonky algorithm but a human being impersonating a wonky algorithm so that he could merit the attention of a cultural arbiter like Susan Orlean---I didn't even care. It had already strayed from its proper place in the aesthetic ecosystem by persuading some girl to advertise her own quirkiness by enshrining its nonsense in a permanent tattoo. To discover that she was the victim of a confidence trick rather than an authentic automated quirkiness mechanism doesn't seem to make a difference.

This is all a true story and probably tells you more about me and my own distrust of the Internet than it does about Weird Twitter, but there you go.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:58:45 2015 No.7166518 jesus this not-pynchon guy is a retard, why are any of you taking him seriously?

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:59:54 2015 No.7166528

>>7166497
Point of order: IIRC Horse E-Books started as an actual wonky algorithm and then some hipsters bought it and turned it into a human being impersonating it.

And as a rule in general I try to divorce my opinions about a thing from my feelings about the people who like that thing. Otherwise you're just in, you know, an endless hole of loathing and frustration. I don't think you're wrong about that shit, I just try not to let it impinge on my view of the thing itself.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 15:02:40 2015 No.7166537

>>7166482
I guess I'll be a turd then and ask if you're familiar with the origins of that Twitter community, IE the FYAD forum on Something Awful, which was at one point the place on the internet most densely populated with really creative and funny people, though it kind of lost its luster over the years after the move to Twitter. It was essentailly all of the surreal, dadaistic and satirical elements of "weird twitter" except private and heavily self-policing (for the purpose of quality control) and you weren't confined to 140 characters in posts. All of the best WT people came from there, and it was by far the most interesting internet phenomenon ever. You have to give up your identity to the admins through a 10$ credit card purchase if you want to see it, though, so I guess your exaggerated paranoia would steer you away from that.

>>7166497
>Horse ebooks
The guy who ran it was actually one of the more interesting people from FYAD, though he deleted his Twitter a while ago and I don't know what he's up to now.

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 15:26:54 2015 No.7166603

>>7166518
He's not taking himself seriously, so why are you policing those whom you fear might? What are you afraid of? (As Iris Murdoch said we must ask any philosopher.)

>>7166528
>>7166537

Okay, yeah. You revealed my ignorance. I participate in Internet culture altogether at a level of remove---unless you count 4chan, which I only started frequenting when I heard in 2008 that Sarah Palin's email was hacked by somebody who posted the info, so it seemed like it might be populated by charming undergraduate jacobins with a sense of humor. At that time /lit/ didn't exist, but the minute it did I only ever posted here.

But from the way you describe it, it sounds like what it held up was the promise of an aesthetic community. Which is the biggest disappointment of the Internet, in my mind. It ought to enable people to find each other, but social interaction online seems to be fundamentally unstable in certain ways: one reason why I was able to handle only /lit/ on conditions of anonymity. Until the sudden moment when I thought that anonymity had been breached and that suddenly everybody was judging me for opinions that I expressed at such speed and ferocity I wasn't even sure that I held them, or that they were opinions---I was just reveling in the apparent freedom, at a moment before Snowden revealed that all such freedoms online were basically illusory.

(Not sure why I'm back now. I guess it was better than what I was doing all week, which was contemplating suicide because that boy wasn't texting me back. He still isn't.)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 15:28:00 2015 No.7166609 >>7166603 trolled

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 15:30:16 2015 No.7166614 i want to write a novel about a guy obsessed with photographing pynchon. Kinda like Mao II, but with pynchon instead of Bill gray. the possibilities are endless but I can't write for shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 15:37:06 2015 No.7166634 >>7166518 kek. he's entertaining. why do you read literature friendo?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 15:38:08 2015 No.7166639 >>7166634 >implying I read i only come here for le shitposting

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 15:41:44 2015 No.7166655 >>7166639 this not-pynchon guy easily wins the shitposter of the year award. He's based.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 15:42:43 2015 No.7166657

>>7166603
>You revealed my ignorance.
I wouldn't really expect anyone who isn't an obsessive internet nerd to know all that shit anyway as the place is fairly obscure, even if it's probably the ultimate origin of 4chan's and the rest of the internet's frenetic meme culture and its influence can't really be measured

>it sounds like what it held up was the promise of an aesthetic community
Maybe in some sense, but it was primarily a forum for satire and somehow just managed to attract a lot of really creative people, though several of the best ones have disappeared without a trace over the past few years (e.g., bi bandit/utilitylimb, graey alien, squishyfish, ingwit, a gentle breeze (the horse ebooks guy), probably others. ingwit especially was a really talented writer and I hope he's been busy working on a book or something)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 15:49:43 2015 No.7166682 >>7166657 Ingwits on twitter now

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 15:51:04 2015 No.7166685

>>7166537
I've browsed SA since literally like 2002 and I can tell you you pretty much described everything you'd wanna know about FYAD and SA. It's just a hyper-ironic forum which has its own distinct flavor of comedy, certain tropes and common subject matter. like all subcultures it got commercialized eventually but unlike most subcultures they did it to themselves hence 'weird twitter.' but even weird twitter isn't FYAD, FYAD is its own thing that you can't shove into 140 characters. if you wanna see what one of these goons is like irl just watch this video of disgraced former FYAD admin docevil getting humiliated publicly by Guy Fieri and the San Jose Shark's mascot. Not sure what else you'd wanna know

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 15:52:04 2015 No.7166689 >>7166685 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clyEcrwuXfk forgot the link

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 15:53:05 2015 No.7166694 >>7166682 No he's not, his twitter is @FuckminsterBull and he hasn't posted anything in 3 years. If you mean @Ingwit_, that's a very shitty and obvious impostor

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 15:54:19 2015 No.7166700 >>7166694 Oh i saw pr0spector rt him a few times & assumed it was legit

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 15:58:37 2015 No.7166712

Dont follow this closely but enjoy a few weird twitterers, but how exactly did it get 'commercialized'? whos making money off of it? All i see are young guys with 10k followers (dril is an anomaly) asking for donations. And sure its become a popular 'style' on twitter, but the swarms of nobodies who imitate it arent making money either.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:00:37 2015 No.7166717

>>7166685
>>7166689
Yeah, some of them were nerds, but that doesn't preclude the best of them (e.g., rory, haoma, satin666, lyle, pr0spector, brendle, ingwit, c.cardigan, wet butt, german joey, capnpayne, graey alien, a gentle breeze, skylark, duncan, animal drums, squishyfish, wayne gretzky, manyak, the bi bandit, nikki fishsticks, johnasavoia, ferrinus, chobicus, dannymanic, gigantic drill, kid knee bean, bleep, rivetz, a caring girl, lihan, taoc, rascal, evanth, g0m, charly) from being really f unny, creative, intelligent, etc.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:03:06 2015 No.7166728

Also dril might be way more mainstream than fyad ever was, but does that mean that 'the fyad style has been commericalized', because there are still plenty of people who post on sa who dont get fyad and think its just a bunch of nonsense, so im not sure all those people who follow dril would also enjoy fyad. Theres still some aspects of fyad that have not crossed over. This may be the 'commercialization,' you were talking about, it was made more palatable and popular, but again is 'commercialization' the right word, because i dont see nike selling tane sneakers

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:03:09 2015 No.7166729 >>7166712 there's a lot of weird twitter accounts with many thousands of followers. they all wanna be dril anyway. I'm pretty sure there's ads of some kind on twitter or there's some way of monetizing twitter accounts

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:03:33 2015 No.7166730 Sorry if I've hijacked your thread hijack NP, but this is a topic very close to my and many people here's hearts, so there's going to be a lot of people weighing in on it

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:05:29 2015 No.7166738

>>7166728
there's dudes making money off FYAD humor on twitter. that's the definition of commercialized. there's also been buzzmeme and KYM and other articles about it. but yeah it's not exactly FYAD, you can't tweet about niggers and AIDS and expect to get followers so its a sanitized condensed version

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:06:41 2015 No.7166742 >>7165264 Like I said earlier, I think N-P was talking about Updike's review of Tom Wolfe's "A Man in Full," which is hard to find too, but it's collected in one of Updike's books of miscellany that was as large a book as Wolfe's.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:07:49 2015 No.7166748 >>7166738 Lowtax also made money off FYAD.

Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 16:11:09 2015 No.7166756

>>7166730
Honey, it wasn't my thread till I hijacked it, and it's interesting for me to hear someone knowledgeable discuss something interesting that I know nothing about.

Was the style of humor competitive / one-upsmanship somehow? Like again, the depressing thing about Internet communities---all these solitaries come together for the sake of a shared idea, but then there's nothing to keep them together.

It strikes me that if all these people had banded together they could have done a collaborative project along the lines of Army Man (the legendary gold standard) or 70s-era National Lampoon (when it was genuinely good, and Terry Southern was writing them letters about SGR) or even The Onion (when it was still UW Madison undergrads doing it, and not a commercial enterprise).

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:14:54 2015 No.7166766

Im no scholar of this stuff but it seems to me that one of the things that happened in the fyad to twitter crossover is that it was no longer apolitical, it became more left wing, because on twitter if you can make a caustic joke about something thats happening right now, you can get tons of rt/favs, and i see weird twitter people doing this occasionally. Fyad was generally far less concerned with current events because they were entertaining each other rather than an audience of liberal college students who will turn on them if they say the wrong thing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:16:14 2015 No.7166772 File: 2.98 MB, 1000x564, Ebert_Was_Wrong.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7166756 Would you agree that Hideo Kojima is a masterful storyteller and an artistic genius?

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:18:11 2015 No.7166781
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>>7166756
>Was the style of humor competitive / one-upsmanship somehow?
Sort of. Like here's a sample flame war from their forums (it's actually from SA's "Helldump" forum rahter than FYAD, but still relevant b/c basically same community)

>It strikes me that if all these people had banded together they could have done a collaborative project
There were a couple attempts at that, e.g. feedbuzz (http://f.eed.bz/)), but they never really went that far, and they mostly stuck to FYAD and/or Twitter.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:18:50 2015 No.7166784 >>7166689 jon hendren? ive seen his shit on twittee. hes an unfunny little fag

>>	Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 16:18:52 2015 No.7166785 Seriously I'm like half of these "Not-Pynchon" replies...Can't you see that "not-pynchon" is not only one person?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:19:56 2015 No.7166788 >>7166772 Kek no

>>	Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 16:22:06 2015 No.7166795 >>7166788 I disagree. Hideo is an authentic visionary.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:22:08 2015 No.7166796 >>7166781 This picture is fucking hilarious

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:23:22 2015 No.7166800 >>7166785 why didn't the first N-P use a trip?

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:25:55 2015 No.7166806

>>7166756
Maybe this is wrong & one of the other guys can correct me but i think way back in the early days of fyad it *was* competitive because it was literally the board to contain flame wars. And it was people ripping on each other constantly. Then maybe around the middle of the last decade (not sure) it became far less about ripping on each other than making each other laugh and what promoted solidarity was this us/them mentality between fyad and the rest of the forum, especially the general subforum where most users hung out. And that persists to this day. You have to 'break in' to fyad. They care a lot less these days who posts because its kind of a small community now, but they'll still tell you to get out if youre not funny. But yeah its interesting, because they dont go after each other at all now. Its a club. And if you insult one of them you can expect to a few others to show up and ridicule you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:28:20 2015 No.7166814 >>7166806 This is basically right, and yeah, it was probably around 2004 or so that it turned into a satire forum specifically, though the site itself in general was always satirical

>>	Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 16:28:23 2015 No.7166815 >>7166800 I dislike tripping. It's a principle thing.

>>	Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 16:30:35 2015 No.7166823 >>7166815 Not the real one.. I did not use trips because i forgot to at first. When the fake replies came in it was too late...

>>	Not-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 16:43:00 2015 No.7166898 >>7166823 Sir, I ask you to please stop spreading these lies. I am real, for real, really real. I am now realizing, listening to it, that Stockhausen's beep-boop-beep music is genius.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:44:00 2015 No.7166907 >>7166756 Should be pointed out a lot of them were heavily influenced by various comedians like Jack Handey, Andy Kaufman, Kids in the Hall, etc.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:57:44 2015 No.7166964

So dril's tweets will be in barnes & noble eventually, righf? Anybody archiving weird twitter tweets? Actually dril may have strong personal noncommercial principles, i suspect. Or does twitter own the tweets? Tao lin just published his tweets. So the tweetsrs own them? When do they go into the public domain? I want a wordsworth classics copy of drils tweets. Just imagine the cover.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 17:06:50 2015 No.7167006 >>7164326 folks this veruca salt business actually checks out that did happen, post bleeding edge I think. so i guess you're actually a consistent shitposter, or at least an oldfag

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 17:10:07 2015 No.7167021 File: 457 KB, 1275x1650, dril.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7166964

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 17:38:39 2015 No.7167137 >>7166815 >>7166823 >>7166898 Whomever you are, whichever is the real not-Pynchon, not-BM... are you really GS, as the rumours hold? Pls respond.

Prince.Lucio.Rimanez !1ICy9GjWGw Sun Sep 27 17:45:32 2015 No.7167165

>>7167006

I was once a poster. If that makes me an oldfag, so be it. And if I post shit, let it be known it is really great shit.

But now that another has attempted to purloin my identity, I must descend into tripfaggotry for the first time, and soil my hands to identify myself.

I am Prince Lucio Rimânez, distinguished scholar and gentleman, allied by descent to one of the oldest families in Europe, or for that matter, in the world. You, as a student and lover of ancient history, will be interested to know that my ancestors were originally princes of Chaldea, who afterwards settled in Tyre,—from thence they went to Etruria and there continued through many centuries, until I, last scion of the house, was forced into exile from my native province, deprived of a great part of my possessions, and rendered to a considerable extent a wanderer on the face of the earth. I travelled far and seen much, and has a wide experience of men and things, especially men. It was in Brooklyn that I learned my signature use of the Hyphen Triplex---you may henceforth identify me by that, if not by my mad fancies or intermittently bogus erudition.

Ask me anything. Preferably in a new thread.

Prince.Lucio.Rimanez !1ICy9GjWGw Sun Sep 27 17:50:06 2015 No.7167180

>>7167137

I did not write those. Whoever did was not even capable of imitating me correctly. Stockhausen? Seriously?? If I deigned to discuss electronic music, I would discuss Milton Babbitt's "Philomel"---ah, Bethany Beardslee! Where are you warbling now? And I'd be more likely to discuss the celebrated blowjob aria from Adés's "Powder Her Face"----perhaps musing on what a delight it would have been to hear Bidú Sayão perform it, in the same style she brought to her debut performance of the Bachianas Brasileiras, perhaps while irrumating an anon whom I find esculent. Please. If you wish to parody me, then you must bring a similar level of whimsical erudition and deranged fancy to bear upon the work, my friends. I am, after all, Prince Lucio Rimânez, oldest of the oldfags on /lit/. Let no man deny it.

Prince.Lucio.Rimanez !1ICy9GjWGw Sun Sep 27 17:51:57 2015 No.7167184

>>7167137

Who's GS though? Forgot to ask. Grace Slick? She has fed my head. George Schoolfield? Ah, scholar of decadence. Gertrude Stein? I spitroasted her with Hemingway many a year ago.... I know these things, yet do not know to whom you intended those initials to refer! Speak, that I may know!

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 17:52:48 2015 No.7167187 I'm really curious about how you look physically in real life.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 17:57:43 2015 No.7167200 >>7167137 George Saunders? Gary Snyder? Gregory Sadler? Ginger Snaps?

Prince.Lucio.Rimanez !1ICy9GjWGw Sun Sep 27 17:59:32 2015 No.7167216

>>7167187

Honestly? Like a defrocked Jesuit. But I get laid with bewildering frequency.

(Although goddammit I wish he would text me back! One of his roommates is a novelist, though....big launch coming up...I wonder if he ever browses /lit/? Would he tell his adorable roommate, you should text him back, you've been seeing him for 14 months now...)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 18:01:10 2015 No.7167222 I guess it's appropriate that the thread reach the bump limit right after the flurry of bad imitators. Goodbye, NP. This was fun. See you in half a decade.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 18:05:38 2015 No.7167245 >>7167216 (I think our friend Mr. Rimanez is mocking BEE)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 18:07:00 2015 No.7167253 >>7167184 I meant the great Gerry Shteynfeld, Soviet comedian and KGB stooge. No less an authority than the anonymous /litshit has alleged and I demand that you defend yourself, comrade.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 18:09:19 2015 No.7167261 >>7167216 I meant generally. But you a grill or gay? Getting laid as a gay is pretty easy tho.

Prince.Lucio.Rimanez !1ICy9GjWGw Sun Sep 27 18:16:46 2015 No.7167287

>>7167222

Oh, in that case, as the melancholy slackening ensues toward page 15---it was page 15 in my day, but have they now limited it to ten to accomodate boards for Bronies? Narrischkeit!---lemme just say, uh.

If you found out who I really was, you'd be so sorely disappointed. I am nobody. That's why I came on 4chan in the first place. Whether I was somebody before that is almost beside the point, when I now find myself brother to dragons and friend to owls. But for your purposes I am nobody: you have not read my work, unless it was posted here. I sometimes wonder if I read my work.

But obviously the surfeit of outlandish homosexual content in my posts has been added to reassure everybody that I am not Pynchon. Pynchon may be many things, or even many people---but he's pretty clearly not gay. (cf comments on "idle bitchy faggotry" in GR.) I know that sort of stuff can be kind of offputting, unless you're, like, into it, but it really does give the noted effect of demonstrating that this person really is probably NOT Thomas Pynchon.

But honestly this:

http://4chanlog.net/lit/303695

is the most ingenious thing I've read in a long time. And the only thing that occasioned it is that I posted, long before Bleeding Edge was published, that Pynchon's next novel would be about the Internet. And I threw in some stuff about blueberry fetishists and Japanese insurance adjusters because (a) there was a blueberry fetishist on /lit/ in those days, and (b) there's a longstanding rumor that Pynchon would write a novel about a Japanese insurance adjuster (although it's possible that idea was just subsumed into Vineland in some way).

The only thing you cannot explain, and which prompted such elaborate theories proving that I was Pynchon, or that Pynchon was Prince Lucio Rimânez, is the apparent precognition. So what can I say? Madman made a lucky guess? Or else....Gnosis. If so, a skilled exorcist may tell you what it signifies...if not how to attain it.

The Daemon knows! Ah Bloom! (But apparently does not know how to edit a volume of literary criticism. Holy shit, who cut and pasted that for him? James Franco?)

Prince.Lucio.Rimanez !1ICy9GjWGw Sun Sep 27 18:19:05 2015 No.7167300

>>7167253
What defense have I, Tovarish? The crown jewels are at the barracks in Kobaltana. But I am not a Communist---I'm just a madman who thinks he is Pope!

>>7167261
Gay, obviously. And you're right. It's more of an effort for gays NOT to get laid with bewildering frequency.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 18:21:12 2015 No.7167311 >>7167261 >>7167300 I am a gay virgin. I fear sex and detest my disgusting body but p much every person I've dated has wanted to fuck on first date.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 18:27:45 2015 No.7167345 >>7167287 Lol I made lots of mean posts in that thread at the guy who just really wanted to believe Pynchon posted here, now I feel kinds of guilty

Non-Pynchon Sun Sep 27 18:30:06 2015 No.7167355

>>7167180
Currently I am drinking a certain green liquid and wondering why someone would bother imitating me, especially if they're going to do such a poor job of it. Maybe I wrote all these posts myself and I just don't remember it. But never let your guard down to such an extreme extent that you would trust a prince.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 18:34:11 2015 No.7167375

>>7167300
>What defense have I, Tovarish? The crown jewels are at the barracks in Kobaltana. But I am not a Communist---I'm just a madman who thinks he is Pope!

Many apologies! Zo zorry! Eet eez my failure to unterfersthanden. Zat is zee thing mit zee pun, nicht vahr? My warmest regards to Herr Kienapfel, Prince Rugenbrot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 18:47:33 2015 No.7167426 Serious question. Who is this guy and why is he a big deal? Why does everyone keep asking him questions like he's some kind of big-shot?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 18:50:11 2015 No.7167444 >>7167426 He's just some guy who knows a lot of stuff and writes funny posts, nbd

>>	Not-Pynchon !z3AXpqLMH2 Sun Sep 27 18:50:52 2015 No.7167446 >>7167355 >>7167180 Both of these people are imitators and very bad ones at that...That's it, I'm using a trip from now on. This thread is going to deteriorate to nothingness soon, keep that in mind before i disappear again...

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 18:51:03 2015 No.7167447 >>7167426 He wrote novels which we have read and find fascinating.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 18:52:19 2015 No.7167454 >>7167426 I think the main reason is that his posts show more thought and creative play than 99% of the shit on this stoopid board. Check the archives, son, he brings thoughtful and productive discussion. What do you bring?

>>	Not-Pynchon !z3AXpqLMH2 Sun Sep 27 18:53:03 2015 No.7167459 >>7167444 Oh, so this "Not-Pynchon" guy is literally a no one an unimportant pleb. An insignificant. A slave. Thanks bud!

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 18:53:12 2015 No.7167461 >>7167426 Yeah, nobody knows who he is, but he's got a hyperactive mind and he's genuinely funny and erudite, which are rare qualities for a /lit/ poster to have, let alone have them in combination.

>>	Not-Pynchon !z3AXpqLMH2 Sun Sep 27 18:54:17 2015 No.7167465 >>7167454 Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 18:55:31 2015 No.7167473 >>7167447 So is he just a poster, or an author too? What has he written? Do we know him?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 18:57:13 2015 No.7167479 File: 284 KB, 1280x720, Screenshot_2015-09-28-00-56-26.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7163742 is this him?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 18:57:15 2015 No.7167481 >>7167465 All your tripcode does is make the imposter easily IDable. Prince.Lucio up there, with his own tripcode, is the real guy. Plus you're ignoring a couple of key stylistic markers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 18:57:34 2015 No.7167484 >>7167465 Not you, dipshit, I meant the Crown Prince Heyzoos Lucky Ramirez, famed anarchist and raconteur.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 18:58:24 2015 No.7167491 >>7167473 He says he's a published poet or something, but it doesn't really matter. This thread is now dead

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 19:02:42 2015 No.7167524 >>7167481 >>7167484 YOU DONT SAY

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 19:02:49 2015 No.7167527 File: 48 KB, 1000x563, tbc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7167516

Prince.Lucio.Rimanez !1ICy9GjWGw Sun Sep 27 19:16:26 2015 No.7167615

>>7167311
Really? Let me know if you'd like to flirt, although we're probably on different continents. I can definitely wait till the 3rd date, and I'm beyond charming on the 1st and 2nd if that makes a difference.
>>7167345
There was no need to be mean to him. Sadly I'm not Pynchon. But I myself am weirded out by the fact that I was somehow right about the subject of Bleeding Edge. Or else I simply intuited as Pynchon himself did---from the excursus on Arpanet in Inherent Vice. (Anybody else notice the shout out to maritime law in Arrested Development Season 4? Thanks, Tommy. Ask PT if Bob ever mentioned anything to HIM about that plot to gaslight the Hoov.)
>>7167426
I'm nbd.
>>7167461
That is a very nice compliment. Maybe I will start posting on /lit/ as often as I did back in 2010-2011.
>>7167473
Author too. Not telling. Probably not.
>>7167481
Thank you. It's hard to be a gifted ironist producing parody for this board's delectation (to recall DFW's phrase) and find the denizens can't be bothered to parody you accurately in return.
>>7167491
I'm deliberately vague. But yeah, I've written poems. Many for this board: for 3 months in 2011 I offered to write a parody version of any original poem posted. I can show you some examples, since I think I have them in my files. But I'm not a poet. I freely admit that because if you thought I was, I'd instantly seem more boring than I actually am. Not that I claim to be anything more interesting than one who has been wandering on the earth, and walking up and down in it.

I'll re-appear when the proper thread is summoning me. Bait me with something I'll find interesting, and I shall come and offer real insights amid bogus mystifications once again.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 19:49:14 2015 No.7167755 >>7167615 GTFO NEWFAG, and never come back you attention whore bitch ass nigga

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 21:03:19 2015 No.7168113 >>7163733 Wait, is it not pronounced "Pynch-in"?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 23:07:52 2015 No.7168505 >>7166772 >that file name kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 23:11:23 2015 No.7168522 I thoguth 300 replies was the bump limit... Well, I guess this thread's still got a ways to go.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 23:12:26 2015 No.7168529 >>7168505 Wait a minute.. how did you bump this thread...??????

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 23:27:41 2015 No.7168581
File: 84 KB, 392x574, ijw.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Looks like the snowballs have not yet flown their arcs. Will they ever star the sides of outbuildings? Have we lost gravity? But it's right there in the title of pic related. Right? Look closer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 23:27:52 2015 No.7168583 >>7163547 so he agreed to just walk around in a crowd? didn't they know the cyberspace geeks would find and crop him out? what happened to the higher definition footage?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 23:37:57 2015 No.7168627 >>7168583 ILLUMINATI shit right there

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 23:45:41 2015 No.7168658 didn't realize Mason & Dixon was a 1997 book. always thought it was a bit older

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 23:49:00 2015 No.7168673 was this his real voice? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcYXWfGt7DY

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 23:49:03 2015 No.7168674 >>7168583 No, they tracked him down and filmed him without his agreement. And he wasn't any of the people in the crowd shots, he was the lone guy in the red cap who disappears behind the pole.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 23:50:05 2015 No.7168677 >>7168673 Yes. You can also hear him in these videos. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ds4OLUDIvg 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjWKPdDk0_U

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 23:59:10 2015 No.7168718 >>7168677 sounds like he is getting pretty old in the second video. unless he is just really mellow

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 00:03:15 2015 No.7168735 >>7168718 He's in character as Doc Sportello, that's why he's doing a California stoner voice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 01:05:34 2015 No.7168978 File: 1.01 MB, 1066x981, dfw m.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7168735

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 02:10:41 2015 No.7169118 >>7167615 love ya bro but maritime law first showed up in AD's first season, in the first Julia Louis Dreyfus plot

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 02:14:39 2015 No.7169124 >>7166694 >>7166700 he has another real one that he barely posts on but has more recently than fminsterbull

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 02:21:05 2015 No.7169136 >>7169124 I hope you don't mean the taco bell one, because that's definitely a fake as well

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 02:28:18 2015 No.7169160 >>7169136 nope

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 02:38:27 2015 No.7169175 >>7169160 You're gonna have me going through a bunch of people's following lists trying to find him, but I doubt I will.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 02:54:21 2015 No.7169199 >>7169160 I think your'e lying.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 02:59:36 2015 No.7169207

>>7169175
>>7169199
I just checked it and he really doesn't use it anymore anyway. he tweeted 3 times in 2014 and hasn't at all in 2015.

I don't think most people know about it, he has less than 50 followers on it. still I know that he didn't want people to know it was him so I'm not naming names

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 03:04:26 2015 No.7169211 >>7169207 Then I guess ti doesn't matter, but it's still kind of fucking weird that some random 4chan guy apparently knows about this and no one else

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 03:27:19 2015 No.7169229 4chan is the place you go to when you want ot anonymously let out little nuggets of secret information that only one or two people will care about

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 03:36:30 2015 No.7169244 >>7169207 I don't suppose you know anything about graey alien, then

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:11:26 2015 No.7169946 >>7164306 well people seem to respect you so maybe now they'll stop calling Lin a rapist on this board

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:26:49 2015 No.7169979 >>7165958 jesus finally someone on this board who understands IJ and the importance of autobiography. But can the same things be said of Gravity's Rainbow? Or all historical fiction?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 13:02:44 2015 No.7170410 >>7169244 he's gone for real, as far as I know

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 14:18:57 2015 No.7170655 >>7170410 Oh well, hope he comes back at some point

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