Things that make you go 'this is pure Ideology'

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Anonymous Tue Dec 30 14:50:42 2014 No.5928521 [Reply] [Original]

Things that make you go 'this is pure Ideology'

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 14:51:52 2014 No.5928527 >>5928521 Tarantino films

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 14:53:09 2014 No.5928531 >>5928521 Thanking/blaming the president for gas prices.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 14:54:20 2014 No.5928536 >>5928521 "God is NOT Dead" Not sure if any of you went to see it when it came out, but my younger sister wanted to see it on her birthday when I was home (and I was rather intrigued) so I took her. One of the guys from Duck Dynasty was in it...

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>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 14:59:57 2014 No.5928575 >>5928536 Oh god, I watched that movie like 3-4 times It's so fucking ideology, it's metaideology

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:00:27 2014 No.5928576 >>5928521 /pol/ in general, 'value is entirely subjective', 'unralsifiable nonsense', anti-western or anti-zionist sentiment, really a lot of things.

Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:02:23 2014 No.5928591
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Television, Film (hyper liberalism in Television and Film too), Music sometimes, Literature sometimes, Political parties, atheism, NPR/Fox News (All news stations), any collectively shared belief bigger than local. Everything.
It doesn't matter though as long as you can identify it.

Anyone else feel this way sometimes ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:04:55 2014 No.5928607 >>5928536 Paying for a ticket to this movie; you actively contributed to their cause. Why not spend those 20 dollars on literary novel published by a small press?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:06:11 2014 No.5928613 >>5928591 There's a big difference between 'ideology' and 'pure ideology.' That's not to suggest your examples are incorrect, but true 'pure ideology' isn't THAT commonplace.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:09:40 2014 No.5928634 I tried to read Alger once. whoo. Apparently he got called out on his pederasty when he was a pastor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:10:02 2014 No.5928636 >>5928613 What's the difference ? Maybe I just mean indoctrination, collective manipulation or something.

Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:15:58 2014 No.5928678

>>5928636
ideology = seeing things through colored lenses, the culmination of all our influences that ends up affecting our perception of the world

eg how some people say The Hunger Games is left-wing propaganda and others say it's right-wing propaganda

ideology affects our perception of everything, is unavoidable, we can only really become aware of it

pure ideology = the lenses are so colorized we cannot even see the object anymore, our influences completely blind us to the facts; no longer just seeing things in different perspective but seeing what we want to see entirely

eg republicans denouncing Obamacare as socialism while praising Romney's healthcare plan, despite them being the same/extremely similar

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:21:55 2014 No.5928710 >>5928576 >anti-zionist sentiment Unlike pro-Zionist sentiment, amirite?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:25:53 2014 No.5928728 >>5928710 Go back to /pol/ please.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:26:06 2014 No.5928729 File: 17 KB, 350x350, How-to-Clean-Uggs-Boots[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] These fucking things

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:29:26 2014 No.5928748 >>5928728 You really support Israel?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:31:19 2014 No.5928753 >>5928729 Are you a woman?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:32:38 2014 No.5928761 >>5928729 Those boots make me want to fuck the owner. Along with glasses, they are my fetish.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:33:54 2014 No.5928764 >>5928678 Hmm thanks something to think about I guess. Seems like two shades of black to be honest.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:34:18 2014 No.5928769 >>5928748 I don't see any reason why not. Besides the alternatives are supporting islamic terrorists and closeted neo-nazis.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:35:33 2014 No.5928775 oh boy, here we go

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:39:08 2014 No.5928788 The movie Cloud Atlas.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:41:11 2014 No.5928791 >>5928729 Do you know how comfortable those things are? Have you ever worn anything other than cheap tennis shoes?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:46:34 2014 No.5928811 >>5928728 Shut up you backwards nationalist jewshit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:50:56 2014 No.5928829 >>5928811 My grandfather killed nazi scum like you 70 years ago. I wish I could do the same.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:51:55 2014 No.5928835 >>5928829 too bad you're too much of a pussy

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:52:19 2014 No.5928837 File: 61 KB, 661x716, 1390032315719.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is /lit/ turning into /pol/ or am i just giving up too quickly

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:53:06 2014 No.5928842 >>5928753 If I was then I would probably not be on 4chan

Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:56:04 2014 No.5928860

>>5928769
-They kill kids.
-They want the land because it's their land according to Yahweh.
-They treat the Palestinians like subhumans for being there at all.
-They claim racial supremacy over everyone else and they get a free pass because they also claim racial victimization.
-The Holocaust is now bandied about and used to sway the world into believing things
-Westerners are taught (through movies and television (a medium which is obviously dominated by Jewish people)) more stories about Hitler and the holocaust than Mao than Stalin than Mussolini
-You think I'm being antisemitic for listing things which paint Jewish people, Israelites in a bad light

I don't support Hitler. I don't think what he did was right. I still can't find real reasons why he orchestrated a holocaust against the Jews - I honestly can't get a straight answer about it. I was never taught one in school.
That's kind of strange to me.

I don't know, man. It just seems so peculiar. Strange. Worth considering even a little, I guess. Dispiriting.

An Arouet quote: "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

Connect the dots, dude
This is a video of Palestinian kids getting murdered by the Israeli Defense Force

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUibXSgILv0

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:57:22 2014 No.5928866 >>5928728 >>5928769 Lots of leftists don't support Israel, stop generalizing.

Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:58:16 2014 No.5928869

>>5928837

Daily reminder that /pol/ is still ground zero. I urge all of you, when you wake up every morning, tuck in your waifu, then check the status of /pol/. If it's still burned to ground, please discard any hopes of not encountering /pol/ elsewhere.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:58:46 2014 No.5928872 >>5928829 Jews are the closest things to nazis in the 21st century

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 15:58:55 2014 No.5928875 I walked past a petrol station earlier and they had union jacks outside with brand names on them, today's ideology at its purest.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:00:16 2014 No.5928880 >>5928728 >Being this mean to displaced migrants who've seen their homeland destroyed not very progressive mate

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:00:55 2014 No.5928884 File: 22 KB, 218x265, 1408902460358.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5928880 good one

>>	kitty !kitty/EnNg Tue Dec 30 16:04:57 2014 No.5928897 i'm pretty sure somebody on g already wrote a short script to cut those trigger warnings and make the board readable

Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:08:20 2014 No.5928909

>>5928860

(Not that guy)

Can you really not find reasons? I can certainly agree that I was never taught why Hitler hated the Jews in school, but it's pretty common knowledge that he hated the sheckle slinging Jew bankers that were around during hyperinflation and the great crash and pretty much accredited all of Germany's issues to them.

Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:12:18 2014 No.5928924

>>5928710
>>5928748
>>5928811
>>5928835
>>5928860
>>5928872
>>5928880
>Muh Palestine homeland

You guys seem fairly compassionate to palestinians and their supposed homeland for someone who hates muslims, circlejerk in stirner threads and laud romans, third reich and other imperialist regimes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:13:41 2014 No.5928927 >>5928924 That's how much people hate you, kike

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:13:58 2014 No.5928928 >>5928728 Disliking Isreal does not make one an antisemite or from /pol/, you fuckwit. Here is an example of a person bkinded by ideology. Liberals hate Isreal too.

Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:15:11 2014 No.5928932

>>5928924
Why would I hate muslims that are in their own countries and trying to do Kultur and achieve their Being? It's only those immgrants that don't deserve anything ever, because they failed their countries and went the easy way, while at the sametime contributing to brain drain. Immgrants and refugees are traitors and should be execuded for abondoning the volkgeist of their nations.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:15:29 2014 No.5928934 >>5928927 Not a jew >>5928928 That's the joke.

Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:17:58 2014 No.5928942

>>5928924
No. I wrote >>5928860 and all I mean to say is that it is w/o sense to support Israel. Treating anyone (the Palestinians) in a subhuman manner is wrong. And using righteousness as a method of government and leadership is black and wrong.

>>5928927
Dude come on

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:19:59 2014 No.5928948 grand theft auto

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:20:37 2014 No.5928950 >>5928788 how

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:21:39 2014 No.5928953 >>5928909 Have to look into that. That we're taught there was no reason for it is surreal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:22:26 2014 No.5928957 >>5928678 you do a better job than zizek at explaining this, good work anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:25:51 2014 No.5928966 >>5928953 I'm the guy all the anti-zionists are mad at. I was baiting, I'm a /pol/tard as well. I recommend you start with central banking and the american civil war and some of the us presidents relationship with central banking.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:26:49 2014 No.5928971 >>5928791 yeah, that's why they wear them. Its not like they think they look good

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:34:01 2014 No.5928988 >>5928966 >I recommend you start with >central banking and the american civil war and some of the us presidents relationship with central banking. What exactly are you recommending? Are these books?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:34:44 2014 No.5928994 >>5928678 >>5928764 >>5928957 >ideology = seeing things through colored lenses Zizek claims otherwise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18qD9hmU9xg#t=247

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:34:58 2014 No.5928995 >>5928521 This thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:37:45 2014 No.5929007 >>5928994 lmfao You're just instigating the discussion about Jews here, man

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:41:50 2014 No.5929020 "Anonymous" posting

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:49:39 2014 No.5929045 >>5928536 what movie?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:51:16 2014 No.5929051 >>5929045 They Live

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 16:55:20 2014 No.5929066 >>5928576 >anti-zionist >not being against a racist colonial state

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 17:02:42 2014 No.5929092 >>5928678 I thought the "my got! Pure ideology!" thing was more an exclamation than a concept. Bravo

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 17:04:13 2014 No.5929098 >>5928995 /thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 17:05:55 2014 No.5929108 >>5929101 this shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 17:08:24 2014 No.5929120 Mindless consumers who hate piracy

Anonymous Tue Dec 30 17:08:42 2014 No.5929124
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>>5928521
There is a best-seller self-help book for women in my country called "don't attach yourself, no".
It's a textbook example of what Zizek's call "Western (pseudo)Buddhism": don't attach yourself to material things, let go, bla bla bla.
I don't know if it qualifies as ideology (because I don't really see it serving to reproduce the material conditions of society) but I get angry everytime I see it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 17:16:15 2014 No.5929147 >>5928924 What does Stirner have to do with this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 17:16:31 2014 No.5929148 Scientism, among atheists especially. People who romanticize science like Carl Sagan or Niel Degrasse Tyson, who convince people that scientific discovery, particularly in regard to the celestial, is a reflection of your greatness.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 17:17:31 2014 No.5929152 >>5928521 pizza pocket wallet lol I want some pizza

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 17:48:47 2014 No.5929262 >>5928869 I go into /pol/ every once in a while. just to smile and feel fuzzy at the sight of how it burns.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 17:51:42 2014 No.5929275 >>5928536 I've spent over an hour reading all the drama about this movie since you posted this. Fucking hilarious

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 18:38:16 2014 No.5929467 >>5929147 Basically: >Hurr durr might is right if you can take it's yours Stirner said so XDDD >Oh no those evil jews are taking the land of those poor Palestinians :(

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 19:24:28 2014 No.5929634 File: 927 KB, 581x777, 1418519848386.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5929467 >Oh no those evil jews are taking the land of those poor Palestinians :( >Children are spooks Xp lol totally man! Funny stuff!

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 19:33:23 2014 No.5929660 >>5928521 >Things that make you go 'this is pure Ideology' Anything that comes out of the mouth of a libertarian.

Anonymous Tue Dec 30 19:36:38 2014 No.5929668

>>5929262
The board's actually making a comeback despite the word filters and everything else. Smarter users have started filtering the IDs of the shitposters and a lot of the old discussions are coming back.

One thing I've noticed is that the forum sliding propaganda threads are gone. I think moot might have accidentally chemo'd away the worst of the board's ills with his stupid prank.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 19:36:48 2014 No.5929669 does egoism really preclude me from pointing out the evils of others? I'm so conflicted.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 19:39:05 2014 No.5929675 >>5929669 >does egoism really preclude me from pointing out the evils of others? Why would it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 30 19:43:41 2014 No.5929684 >>5929634 >I don't understand stirner at all

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 02:31:19 2014 No.5931102
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>>5928791
In all honesty, it shouldn't really matter how "comfy" they are unless you're at home, at the cabin, etc. I seriously run into this all the time when girls ask me questions about what they should wear (I have a lot of qts that ask me for help when they buy stuff and "anon, does this look good?" - I'm pretty sure they all think I'm gay, but oh well). The thing about Uggs is that they're almost the female equivalent to guys wearing slippers or Crocs to uni. They just shoot off this message of "hey, I don't care about my personal appearance at all! At least my feet are cozy" and that's just so ridiculously unattractive (or at least to most guys I talk to, not sure about that guy who said it was his "fetish"). There are so many other options that are super comfortable AND warmer than Uggs. I know they're still basic as fuck, but why not at least consider some Bean boots. There is no excuse for a woman wearing Uggs in public. Unfortunately, some attractive women can get away with it because there are still plenty of desperate guys out there. And yes, I've seen the leather Rick Owens "ankle boot," not a fan of that one either.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 02:38:49 2014 No.5931121 >>5929634 Why do goyim pretend to care about Palestinians?

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 02:56:52 2014 No.5931155

>>5931121
Because they hate mews, there is no other conceivable reason. Notice how they only pretend to care when they can blame the jews, I've never seen a 'pro-palestinian' person get mad at the government of Jordan, Lebanon, Syria or Egypt, or at UNRWA for that matter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 02:59:49 2014 No.5931163 >>5931155 >mews I wut? Jews, I mean.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:01:54 2014 No.5931170

>>5931155
One of my friends is so convinced he cares, he's spent three months over there volunteering & seeing the country.

I envy that he has the confidence to make up his mind so strongly. I am so saturated with conflicting information on topics like this that I struggle to decide how I feel one way or the other.

A socialist party member told me that their policy is to "always take the side of the oppressed" but I feel like that's oversimplifying matters. I think I hate Israel because it's a violent, self-righteous religious state funded by the good old USA.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:03:18 2014 No.5931173 >>5931155 In other words you never leave your house.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:07:02 2014 No.5931181

>>5931170
States are by definition self-righteous and violent, and Israel hardly takes the cake in that regard, not even in its neighbourhood, and not even in its treatment of the average Palestinian. So the main problem seems to be that they receive US support, which in itself is hardly condemning.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:10:37 2014 No.5931188

>>5931173
How would leaving my house make me sympathetic to rerarded anti-zionists? The last time I encountered those folks, they were a mixed bag of nazis, faux leftists and jihadists shouting 'desth to jews' in my hometown. Somehow didn't convince of their positions, idk.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:15:44 2014 No.5931193

>>5931181
Don't get me wrong, I think the Mideast is a complete shithole of corrupt nations but I think Israel ranks up there with the worst of them.

So what, they should just steamroll Palestine with their American-funded military & enjoy the spoils of war in their newly-conquered territory, because you can't find a fault in what they're doing?

What is your perspective, then? I'm all for considering the situation carefully before jumping to an emotional conclusion but I don't see how you can believe Israel are doing nothing wrong. Ever since the end of WWII they've been using their persecution as an excuse to persecute the fuck out of everyone else.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:16:51 2014 No.5931198 >>5928837 The more literate ones are taking shelter in here. We just need to fight harder and let them know they are not welcome.

>>	kitty !kitty/EnNg Wed Dec 31 03:18:44 2014 No.5931205 >>5931163 >>mews >I wut? >Jews, I mean. hitler walked by a beach and hated all the mews, their hungry cries reminded him the greedy foul jews! :p

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:22:03 2014 No.5931210

>>5928953
It doesn't directly have anything to do with Hitler, but Luigi Barzini's The Europeans was the first place that I encountered a first-person description of how completely fucked up the Weimar Republic was other than "hyperinflation, barrels of money they were poor". Pretty eye-opening.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:26:30 2014 No.5931215

>>5931193
Well, for starters, Israel can't be demanded to tolerate attacks on its citizens.

For how to solve the conflict, man, I don't have a master plan. But dissolving UNRWA into UNHCR could really work some magic, as it would lead to the majority of Palestinians becoming citizens in the countries they were actually born in, instead of being forced into camps from birth. This would also remove a rather strong incentive for Israel to disallow a palestinian state, removing the demographic option of destroying Israel via the right to return. I really don't know what to do with the West Bank though.
And saying that jews have been persecuting everyone else since WWII is nothing but pure antisemitic ideology.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:27:52 2014 No.5931217 >>5931198 That's not very nice, man. The world needs more right-wingers in literature

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:28:10 2014 No.5931219 >>5931188 So you'll settle for labeling those you disagree with as nazis, hippies, and jihadis instead of giving any kind of counter-argument? Charming.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:29:53 2014 No.5931224 >>5931219 Well, the counter argument was, sort of, that they're all about death to jews, with the fate of palestinian arabs being some sort of afterthought, or ideological tool.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:32:46 2014 No.5931231 >>5931217 >right wingers asking for refugee status Comedy gold.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:39:14 2014 No.5931247

>>5931215
Israel has been encroaching on Palestinian borders for years and they expect no retaliation?

Those homemade "rockets" fired by Hamas pale in comparison to the modern munitions employed by Israeli forces against Palestine. The pro-Israel lobby in America hands over billions of dollars a year & conservative politicians are agitating for more support all the time, & you can't understand why anyone would want to question or protest that?

Call me an antisemite all you like, it speaks volumes about yourself that you seem to think Israel immune to criticism while at the same time calling for people to "get mad" about Syria, the latest in a row of secular dictatorships to be targeted by the USA's agenda in the Mideast.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:47:41 2014 No.5931262

>>5931247
>palestinian borders
Oh, so palestinians already have a state? Lel, nah, and they don't have borders, either.
And how SHOULD Israel react to homemade, and by that I mean Iranian-made a lot of times, rockets being shot at random at its population centers? Throw the same sort of firepower back, with the same grade of precision? Now that would actually be a war crime, as it is when Hamas does it.
I'm not American, so I really don't care if it has become a bipartisan issue over there.
Israel isn't immune to criticism, it's just that most of the 'criticism' is little but antisemitic agitation. You also seem to believe that the world would be a much better and more peaceful place without the influence of the US, which I would say is pretty um, dubious.

kitty !kitty/EnNg Wed Dec 31 03:51:19 2014 No.5931269

i don't get how jews even got the arabian land there... like whites said, f you arabs, we give this land to jews who lived here 2000 years ago because hitler killed several millions of them. not like he didn't kill people of other nations but he disliked jews especially strong and therefore you arabs should give them your land

not to mention they led a few wars later and added new lands to their state each time
conqueror wars, like it's 19 century

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:53:37 2014 No.5931276 w-what happened to my thread?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:55:54 2014 No.5931283 >>5931276 I take all the blame for that, I mentioned anti-zionism as a form of ideology, and just woke up to find that I had triggered the shit out of some anti-zionists with that.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:58:39 2014 No.5931289

>>5931262
>bipartisan
American or not you seem extremely eager to downplay the relationship and its importance.

Trying to justify the USA's interventionism track record by saying "imagine a world without it!" is pretty unhelpful.

Your issue originally appeared to be with people's support for Palestine's plight, as if they are not worthy of empathy. It's since become clear that you're an Israeli apologist with a rather tedious pretense to impartiality. I don't live in the USA either. Where did you get the idea that I hate Jews? Your obvious keen hatred of Muslims is hardly morally superior to anyone's dislike of Israel.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 03:59:42 2014 No.5931290 My Facebook newsfeed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 04:05:18 2014 No.5931302 >>5931290 iktf

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 04:06:00 2014 No.5931303

>>5931289
Oh come on, why should 'american conservative' trigger a negative response in me? Hating on the US, and neocons in particular, is so deeply ingrained in the discourse of my country that I'd group it together with anti-zionism as a major factor in current ideology.
But we weren't talking about the US, so alright, let's stay on topic. My point wasn't that people shouldn't empathize with palestinians, but that anti-zionism isn't an expression of such empathy, but instead of much darker motives. Also, note how I never even mentioned muslims or islam.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 04:07:22 2014 No.5931305

>>5931269
I don't think WWII was the first time in history someone decided they were sick of having the Jews around. Whether you believe they were innocent scapegoats or not, giving them the benefit of the doubt and re-homing them seemed a well-meaning gesture, but their choice of real estate wasn't very forward-thinking. Or was it? It's not hard to believe destabilization is serving someone's interests.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 04:07:36 2014 No.5931308 >>5931121 We don't pretend, we actually have human decency and don't follow fucked up ideology that says we should only care about our tiny little group.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 04:12:40 2014 No.5931315 File: 199 KB, 320x240, 1415889250170.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5931308 >dat self-righteousness

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 04:19:26 2014 No.5931337

>>5931303
Your tone regarding Palestine and remarks about other Mideast countries (Jordan, Lebanon, Syria or Egypt, Iran) speaks for itself.

You call me an antisemitic ideologue. If you were on /pol/, you'd be lucky to have gotten a >jidf pls go

The subject of Israel at this point is firmly entangled with the USA whether you like it or not.

We have some common ground in that I agree that people are allergic to critical thinking and nobody wants to read any deeper into a given subject than "There's a protest group at my University that is rallying support for oppressed people x, don't you think evil oppressors y are completely evil? Me too! Let's go or we'll be late for diversity 101!" but I don't understand why you want to sweep everything away as an empty trend void of any truth. Your arguments have a hint of the ideological themselves.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 04:33:14 2014 No.5931362

>>5931337
I didn't even mention Iran either, as I like to open as few cans of worms at time as possible, lest the discussion gets derailed. I don't think any of those countries does the shit they do because of Islam, but because of ideologies, some of which have islamic roots, while others are based around arabic ethnic nationalism. This doesn't mean I have anything against muslims or arabs in general.
And I've been to /pol/ for an insane amount of time, making me immune to accusations of partiality (damn right, I'm partial) or of belonging to an obscure internet activist group (lel).

Last paragraph is a nice attempt to end the argument back against myself, and I'll have to agree: of course my view is ideologically biased, I'm not motherfucking God. I can't claim to be 100% right, I can only try to be righter. And given the trend of the 'pro-palestinian' movement towards outright ignoring any harm to palestinians that isn't caused by jews, I remain confident in my assertion that they don't desire an alleviation of anybody's suffering, but instead the elimination of the jewish state.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 04:52:14 2014 No.5931394

>>5929467
I have always wondered why white suburban teens obsessed with piser- and realpolitics denounced Israel, the most pragmatic country of them all. They might praise Rhodesia or Third Reich, but never Israelis for taking the pragmatic empire one step further.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 04:52:42 2014 No.5931395

>>5931362
Well, thanks for not stooping to namecalling or anything. You've made me rethink my stance on things. I've been trying to stay away from /pol/ because I can't decide if I've learned anything from there or just been brainwashed.

If you'll allow me to step back from arguing, then, where DO you live, and why do you think people are so antisemitic?

I live in the leftist hub of Australia, home of the self-flagellating white person. Pure ideology is rife. Everyone here hates and derides Christianity while Islam still enjoys an untouchable status of respect and admiration. I've never seen any evidence of intolerance toward muslims like what is supposedly the attitude in other parts of Australia. They have pro-Palestine marches in the city and the socialist party always has a strong presence at those events. Apart from that, everyone happily goes along with whatever the media narrative tells them to hate, be it Bush, Kony, Gaddafi, Al-Assad... But they don't hate anyone as much as their own prime minister.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 04:54:55 2014 No.5931398 >>5931394 >third reich >pragmatic Ok you better have a good reason for calling it that, because that seems to be the dumbest characterization imaginable.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 05:15:00 2014 No.5931427

>>5931395
>>5931395
Interesting stuff, I live in Germany, so you're literally a world away. Politics, and ideology in general, seem to revolve around finding someone to blame for your problems or just blaming them so you can feel li, e a morally good person who is making a positive contribution. The scapegoats vary with political affiliation of course, german favourites are: poor people, rich people, east german skinheads, muslims, immigrants, the US and Israel.
I think people are antisemitic because tradition has it that jews can be blamed for everything. Are you a leftist? Then jews control the banks and cause inequality. Are you a right-winger? Then jews are commies who p, an on destroying your race and country. Do you think nation states should be abolished? Then Israel is your prime example of what's wrong with nation states.
Why did jews get such a bad, and utterly contradicing rep? I think it has something to do with them a) being there as a minority for a long time, giving people ti e to project all kinds of negative emotions onto them and b) having historically been too weak to defend themselves for most kf the time, so attacking them doesn't have negative consequences (this is also the reason they don't try that shit with muslims).

Now the real interesting question is, why do people engage in this scapegoating behaviour at all? My best guess is that it alleviates their feeling of being utterly powerless, giving them the hope that if the could only get rid of that one rather small group kf people, everything would be fine. This doesn't just fufill a psycological function, but also creates social cohesion, as people disillusioned with their social situation wouldn't function as well.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 05:28:34 2014 No.5931439

>>5931427
I like what you say about people benefiting from having a convenient punching bag for their feeling of helplessness. I think in this big scary world probably a lot of people feel that pervasive futility. I try to be wary of falling for it when the media offers up these easy targets, but I would really love to experience the satisfaction of hating a common enemy alongside my peers. This kind of discussion makes it hard to feel strongly about anything anymore.

I think /pol/ views you Germans as having been rendered spineless doormats, doomed to suffer for the original sin of the third reich. Do you think that's true? Do you feel responsible or obligated towards Israel?

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 05:38:03 2014 No.5931452

>>5931439
Oh well, I don't think we have suffered any great deal for our sins. Look at js, we're ruling europe right now. But yeah, I think as a political community, not necessarily as individuals, we do have obligations to that other political community, Israel. The individual german may not have any responsibilities in that regard, but Germany as such certainl does, because it is the legal successor to the third reich.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 07:05:55 2014 No.5931591 >>5928558 pink flyd pls go

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 07:23:18 2014 No.5931619 >>5928837 I visit /lit/ less and less often because of /pol/ and it's shitty attitude to anyone who isn't a cishet white male.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 07:24:22 2014 No.5931623 >>5928860 >Not familiar with scapegoats

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:16:33 2014 No.5931706 >>5928942 >palestinians never did anything to israel, its all just israel killing palestinians! are you serious?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:19:55 2014 No.5931712 >>5931706 I'm afraid he's long gone, but yes, people really do believe that. Ideology is a terrifyingly powerful thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:21:03 2014 No.5931717 >>5931706 Israelis deserve to be killed

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:23:09 2014 No.5931719 >>5931717 Totally not antisemitism guise!

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:23:49 2014 No.5931720 CORN O R N

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:23:53 2014 No.5931721 >>5931198 You do realize that /lit/ has always had a ton of /pol/fags, right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:25:18 2014 No.5931724 >>5931719 Not all jews are Israelis, not all Israelis are jews

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:26:38 2014 No.5931729 >>5931721 A ton seems hyperbolic, also, they used to know their place, now they're getting uppity. Needs some solution, ideally a final one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:27:11 2014 No.5931731 >>5931619 >it's You never belonged, anyway.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:30:03 2014 No.5931738

>>5931729
It's not hyperbolic at all. Check the archives for a reminder of how every thread slightly involving politics or social issues turned out.

In fact, I contend that all of those shitty "__ pill" characters are a result of the countless Evola/traditionalist threads on this board.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:30:49 2014 No.5931739 >>5931706 >>5931719 JIDF detected

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:32:15 2014 No.5931745 >>5928829 Israel is a fascist state

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:33:51 2014 No.5931749 >>5931724 So, you also want to murder arabs with israeli passports because you object to israel's treatment of arabs. Ok, that's not necessarily antisemitic, that's just retarded.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:35:08 2014 No.5931754 >>5928988 Lrn2/look up facts, faggot. It's basic historical research.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:36:47 2014 No.5931756 >>5931121 Because the alternative is supporting Israel. >>5931163 Oh look, a Jew is acting like disliking Jewish fascism is the same as wanting the Holocaust to happen again. What a surprise!

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:38:05 2014 No.5931758 >>5931181 The amount of US aid Israel receives and the amount of power the Israel lobby has should be unsettling to anyone who cares about American foreign policy and how accurately it reflects America's interests and aims.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:41:11 2014 No.5931766 >>5931749 If you aren't actively resisting an apartheid state you're a collaborator and should be treated as such.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:42:11 2014 No.5931770 >>5931738 Literally all of those came from /pol/, they like Evola more than /lit/ ever has and have more neotraditional threads than /lit/ has.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:42:53 2014 No.5931772

>>5931738
>countless evola/traditionalism threads
Haven't seen one in ages.
>>5931739
Yeah, I indeed get paid by the Jewish Internet Defense Force. We're all very interested in literature and continental philosophy.
>>5931745
Fascist states do not have democratically elected governments, typically.
>>5931756
>implying I'm a jew

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:44:58 2014 No.5931775 >>5931766 >apartheid state Israeli arabs have full equal rights, what's with all the talk about apartheid? Iirc, South Africa didn't have black judges and members of parliament back in the day.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:50:16 2014 No.5931793 >>5931772 >Haven't seen one in ages. Which only confirms that /pol/ has been here...for ages.

>>	kitty !kitty/EnNg Wed Dec 31 08:51:09 2014 No.5931797 >>5931775 crossing points don't exist

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:52:48 2014 No.5931803 >>5931793 Ok, there have been waves of immigration, so maybe we just have to wait for them to assimilate, which unfortumately will not work without exerting social pressure.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:55:18 2014 No.5931812 >>5931797 You mean like, security checkpoints? That had to be built because palestinians started killing jews for no fucking reason in 2000? And that also don't target israeli arabs, but the arab population of the disputed territories? Great point.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 08:57:36 2014 No.5931814 >>5931812 >started killing jews for no fucking reason in 2000 This is pure ideology, my god

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 09:03:18 2014 No.5931823 >>5931814 Okay, unless you believe a head of state visiting the temple mount justifies a massacre, you'll have a hard time explaining your sentiment.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 09:03:57 2014 No.5931825 >>5931812 >no fucking reason Aside from an ongoing illegal occupation of the land that would be theirs if they'd only had a state before der Jude showed up and claimed that the entire Middle-East belonged to them

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 09:05:23 2014 No.5931828 >>5931198 they are welcome, we like discussion not marxism here

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 09:11:04 2014 No.5931845 >>5931828 /lit/ is a commie board, we don't like fascists

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 09:19:02 2014 No.5931859 >>5931828 >/pol/ asylum seekers migrate to our board >they show no respect to our native culture and act like they own the place >they create new threads and displace threads made by native c/lit/s Right wingers actually support this?

>>	kitty !kitty/EnNg Wed Dec 31 09:23:56 2014 No.5931872 >>5931812 iirc they existed like for many decades also it's apartheid imagine if usa built check points after they caught a couple of black killers, oh and also forced all the blacks to live in a special sector for them

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 09:25:25 2014 No.5931878

>>5931825
>the entire middle east
Yeah, Israel, one of the smallest countries in the region, is clearly claiming the entire middle east.
On a more serious note, it is well documented that Arafat had planned for the second intifada, it was anything but a spontaneous revolt.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 09:28:24 2014 No.5931887

>>5931872
The checkpoint system was virtually nonexistent before the second intifada.
Also, they didn't force anyone to live in the west bank, they just didn't give them citizenship when they conquered it from jordan, which btw also hadn't given them citizenship in 1948.

kitty !kitty/EnNg Wed Dec 31 09:30:31 2014 No.5931891

>>5931887
>Also, they didn't force anyone to live in the west bank, they just didn't give them citizenship when they conquered it from jorda

jews
such a good example why one shouldn't listen to whines of 'oppressed', 'minorities' etc, look what they do as soon as they got the power

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 09:32:13 2014 No.5931894

How do you guys know so much about Palestine/Israel? Is it from watching the news? Reading a particular book?

Over the last couple of days I've been kind of developing an interest in international politics, but I don't know anything so I don't even know where to start about learning modern affairs.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 09:34:24 2014 No.5931907

>>5931891
Yah well, no one ever complained that jordan didn't give them citizenship, either. Jordan did so because it intended to destroy Israel, giving the Palestinjans all of the land. Israel did so because it is a very bad idea to give citizenship to a bunch of people who say that they don't want to live in a countey with jews in it, especially if you're jewish. But yeah, that's just as bad as what the nazis did, amirite? Seriously get some perspective.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 09:36:36 2014 No.5931913
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>>5931706
>>5931712
Well, hat am I saying that's wrong?
Surely you wouldn't mind telling me.

I only believe what I do because it seems right and true. The treatment of the Palestinians just seems wrong to me, morally bankrupt.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 09:39:41 2014 No.5931927 File: 379 KB, 600x399, lying maps.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5931913 Nice map you got there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 09:40:48 2014 No.5931931 >>5931198 Lmao

kitty !kitty/EnNg Wed Dec 31 09:46:03 2014 No.5931945

>>5931907

it sounds almost as nazi, yes

nazi claimed that jews were a harmful nation, jews claim that palestinians are a harmful nation, your words
>a bunch of people who say that they don't want to live in a countey with jews in it

nazi limited jew's civil rights, jews refuse to give citizenship to people whose land they sacked

nazi started wars pretending that they were threatened by other countries, jews do the same, what's even more ridiculous, jews claim that other countries specially settle people that way so when jews conquer that land those settlers will ruin israel inside (!), it's some goebbels on steroid kind of reasoning
>they conquered it from jordan
>jordan didn't give them citizenship, either. Jordan did so because it intended to destroy Israel, giving the Palestinjans all of the land

nazi confined jews in camps and killed them, jews confine palestinians in a special zone and kill them too... they don't dare to do it at the same scale as nazis though because otherwise they will be punished

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 09:48:13 2014 No.5931948 >>5931907 Once Assad, Hezbollah and Iran are done with isis they're gonna fuck Isreal up big time.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 09:51:24 2014 No.5931960

>>5929147
>To this day the Jews, those precocious children of antiquity, have got no farther; and with all the subtlety and strength of their prudence and understanding, which easily becomes master of things and forces them to obey it, they cannot discover spirit, which takes no account whatever of things.

>The Christian has spiritual interests, because he allows himself to be a spiritual man; the Jew does not even understand these interests in their purity, because he does not allow himself to assign no value to things. He does not arrive at pure spirituality, a spirituality e.g. is religiously expressed, e.g., in the faith of Christians, which alone (i.e. without works) justifies. Their unspirituality sets Jews forever apart from Christians; for the spiritual man is incomprehensible to the unspiritual, as the unspiritual is contemptible to the spiritual. But the Jews have only “the spirit of this world.”

- The Ego & Its Own

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 09:54:42 2014 No.5931967 File: 175 KB, 250x321, Niccolò Machiapepe.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5931913 >politics >morality ayy

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 09:56:09 2014 No.5931969 File: 34 KB, 400x400, jewdar.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5931927

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:01:54 2014 No.5931977

>>5931945
What you're missing is that there is an actual conflict, not some paranoid racist delusions, and that conflict started by arab nationalists.
And as lomg as Israel doesn't exercize full souvereignty over a strip of land, why should it give citizenship to people who even state themselves that they'd rather have autonomy?
>jews claim that other countries specially settle people that way so when jews conquer that land those settlers will ruin israel inside
Nice mental gymnastics right there, but do you even know what UNRWA is and how it differs from UNHCR? There's a UN institution completely geared towards a one-sided resolution, even at the expense of the 4rth generation 'refugees' it's supposed to protect.

According to your reasoning, the US should have handed out US passports to every citizen of Iraq or Afghanistan, or else they're as bad as Hitler.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:01:58 2014 No.5931978

>>5931927
Great, so Israel granted Palestine their first ever (tiny little pockets of) land to own, in 2000.

So where were they living for all those years prior?

Are we meant to applaud Israel's humanity for throwing Palestine a few crumbs in the form of recognized territory to be kept contained in? Just judging by what you're trying to show in that diagram, spinning it as if Israel gave them land instead of taking it all away seems pretty fucking disingenuous.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:03:04 2014 No.5931981 >>5931969 Oh no, don't call me a jew, that's such a super effective insult! Also, I'm not a jew.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:04:53 2014 No.5931985 >>5931978 Yeah you know, you can't take land from someone who doesn't own it. I'm not denying that there were forced expulsions, but those happened in the 1948 war the arabs started.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:07:21 2014 No.5931993
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>>5931927
I'm using the map to illustrate where the Palestinians are allowed to live - NOT who is 'the true owner' of the land.

On both your map and my own the area in which Palestinians have been permitted to live is the green area. The Palestinians live in a ghetto.

The Jewish faith is a faith of supremacy in which a singular race is set upon a pedestal above all others, in which all others. There is no 'grafting in' to the Torah. This is not a faith of love but a faith superiority.

I don't know what to tell you, pal. These arguments are convincing enough for me. I think the Jews have the upper hand in the situation and they won't ever let up, but maybe Palestine would do the same if the roles were reversed. Who knows?

I'm from /lit/ and I am genuinely surprised at the board's feelings on this issue. Wouldn't have guessed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:09:20 2014 No.5931999 File: 3 KB, 255x158, 1411842762803.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5931993 >tfw you forget to proofread your post

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:10:48 2014 No.5932002

>>5931993
Palestinians have always lived in areas outside of the green in each map, as I said before, a lot of them also live in Israel as citizens, or in east jerusalem, which also isn't green on your map. That map is bad, and you should feel bad for using it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:11:07 2014 No.5932004 hey moralfags: might makes right

kitty !kitty/EnNg Wed Dec 31 10:15:47 2014 No.5932023

>>5931977
no, that conflict started by jews who literally sacked the land of a nation who lived there, it doesn't mean what government they had, jews sacked their land, enclosed them in special zones, call them harmful for jews, don't give them citizenship solely due to their nationality (don't tell me they ask people there individually if they want to have citizenship if they promise to be loyal) and then claim that it is not apartheid because that nation began it first (why should it have fucking agreed to lose its land on un decision?) and ancestors of jews lived on that land 2000 years ago (btw they genocided some poor guys who lived there when moses brought jews to their 'promised land') also don't forget that hitler killed 6000000 jews therefore everything which jews do is justified

>According to your reasoning, the US should have handed out US passports to every citizen of Iraq or Afghanistan, or else they're as bad as Hitler.

usa didn't add their territory to its, didn't rob the people there of their state, they just affected its policy, those countries are independent countries. israel like the only state who still lead conquering wars

it sounds as a very poor strawman

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:22:24 2014 No.5932039 >>5931993 Don't worry, the ones arguing in defense of Israel are just grovelling German toadies who hate their heritage.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:23:25 2014 No.5932041 >>5932039 Germany confirmed as WOAT country yet again

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:27:52 2014 No.5932047

>>5932023
Israel hasn't annexed the west ban or gaza, are you retarded? Every place they have formally or informally annexed, like the golan heights or east jerusalem, they have offered citizenship to the arabs. The West Bank isn't conquered, or even occupied: it is disputed, i.e., no settlement has yet been reached. Gaza isn't even disputed, Israel lets the palestinians have that, but will blockade it until Hamas is either removed or recognizes Israel, which is perfectly reasonable.
The nazi comparison really only proves that you don't care about the palestinians, because then you'd call all countries in the region nazis, as their treatment of palestinians living on their territory is at best the same as what Israel does, but in most cases the discrimination is even worse.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:30:03 2014 No.5932049 >5932004 0/10

kitty !kitty/EnNg Wed Dec 31 10:35:10 2014 No.5932057

>>5932047
>Every place they have formally or informally annexed, like the golan heights or east jerusalem, they have offered citizenship to the arabs.
>The West Bank isn't conquered, or even occupied: it is disputed

what can i say
i just repeat that jews are good apprentices of those who oppressed them through the history

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:35:15 2014 No.5932058 >>5928957 >>5929092 thanks! >>5928994 zizek's only issue with the distorted lens metaphor is it implies you can somehow take them off for a clearer picture, which is why i made sure to point out how it was unavoidable

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:38:14 2014 No.5932065

>>5931859
/pol/yard here, I've been posting on /lit/ since day 1. /lit/s native culture is basically /pol/ but leftist and with facts instead of fictions. If /lit/ could into analytic thought it would be more like/pol/. As it is, they're only almost the same.
4chan's native culture is generally intolerant, BTW, so your argument is bad anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:39:45 2014 No.5932068 >>5931878 It's causing all the region's problems, really. There would be a pan-Arab state if not for Israel. Israel could have been founded in a less controversial location, too. Alaska was a choice, but the Jews wanted their holy land.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:41:10 2014 No.5932072 >>5931894 Chomsky Al Jazeera /pol/ I'm a history major

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:45:44 2014 No.5932085 File: 27 KB, 927x47, true gender.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The opening of this wikipedia article

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:49:07 2014 No.5932093 >>5932057 >i don't have any arguments for my assertion that the jews should make their own extermination as easy as possible or else they're nazis >so let me just repeat it Wow, you're really the worst tripfag on /lit/.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:51:35 2014 No.5932099

>>5932068
>there would be a pan arab state if not for israel
Yeah, just like there would have been a pan european state if it hadn't been for the jews, right? Because the sunni and the shia totally wouldn't be fighting, as their only conflict loes in the competition for who hates israel more, yeah?
>being this delusional

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 10:59:24 2014 No.5932115 >>5931315 holy shit. please what does this say?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:00:08 2014 No.5932117 >>5932115 Abortion.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:01:46 2014 No.5932124 >>5932115 "Abortion," though I've seen some posters use it in the context of "into the trash."

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:02:46 2014 No.5932126 >>5932117 >>5932124 fucks sake

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:04:00 2014 No.5932127 File: 42 KB, 397x230, zizek-in-bed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:05:00 2014 No.5932131 File: 35 KB, 363x499, 65007827_zizek.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:23:06 2014 No.5932171

>>5932115
>>5932117
>>5932124
I like how raw the way it is "worded" is. It's like if we used "babykilling" instead of the word abortion. If language really shapes the way we think i'm willing to bet that deaf people are on average much morre opposed to abortion than other people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:26:08 2014 No.5932179 >>5932131 He married three times to gorgeous women yet has no children. Is he impotent? That would fit him well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:27:39 2014 No.5932185 File: 58 KB, 508x720, Lars_Von_Trier_Cannes_2011.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5928521 Lars von Trier films.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:32:27 2014 No.5932199

>>5928866
Actually most leftists don't support Israel. The support of Israel is largely a right wing fundamentalist Christian phenomenon in the us, because of "muh sons of Abraham" or whatever. Living and growing up in NYC, the vast majority of liberals oppose Israel to varying degrees and support Palestine and other Muslin states over Israel and the west.

In fact, my family shops at the biggest food coop in the country, and one of the biggest controversies there in recent years arose when some people on the administrative council tried to raise support for a boycott of Israeli imported goods in protest of their policies, and the Jewish shopper population freaked out and almost started with lawsuits and stuff.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:34:27 2014 No.5932204 >>5932199 >The support of Israel is largely a right wing fundamentalist Christian phenomenon in the us l-o-fucking-l

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:34:35 2014 No.5932205 >>5932171 >If language really shapes the way we think i'm willing to bet that deaf people are on average much morre opposed to abortion than other people. Also because they're handicapped and those are the first to get into the trashed Spartan style.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:35:03 2014 No.5932207 >>5932204 Are you disputing this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:35:40 2014 No.5932210 People making me donate money for the poor and/or disabled.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:35:50 2014 No.5932211 >>5932171 It sure carries more implications that just the word abortion, which hardly has any emotiol wight at all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:39:05 2014 No.5932217 >>5932199 And this is why I, while self-identifying as some sort of marxist, can't stand most of the left.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:40:56 2014 No.5932220 >>5932217 so you support Israel out of spite?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:42:12 2014 No.5932228 The bible, particularly the tale of Abraham and Issac

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:43:29 2014 No.5932232 >>5932179 He has a son and they play call of duty together.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:43:51 2014 No.5932235 >>5932220 No, I'm spiteful because I support Israel, and I support Israel because anti-zionism is the actualized ideological form of anti-semitism, which in turn is the purest and most violent form of ideology.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:47:39 2014 No.5932247 >>5932235 No

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:49:10 2014 No.5932250 >>5932247 Yes

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:49:47 2014 No.5932253 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jG6kJm-50k lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:54:11 2014 No.5932266 >>5928521 excuse me for this but what is "pure ideology"?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:54:14 2014 No.5932267 >>5932179 >he hasn't read the part where he talks about his sons Yu-gi-oh cards

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:55:04 2014 No.5932269 >>5932250 No

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:56:20 2014 No.5932274 >>5932269 Yes. (What exactly are you even saying no to?)

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 11:57:20 2014 No.5932277 >>5932266 In this context OP is referring to Zizek's usage and theories of ideology: >>5928678

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 12:04:50 2014 No.5932296 >>5932274 Oh...I think you know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrhamMnO8kw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE_5Y9IKCk0 No.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 12:11:18 2014 No.5932322 >>5932296 >helen fucking thomas Great argument, tell people to leave their place of birth for the countries that murdered their families. Second video is gold tho.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 12:13:21 2014 No.5932327 >>5932277 ok thanks

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 12:30:27 2014 No.5932384

>>5932099
The divide is exaggerated by conflict for political purposes. The European Union is a pan-European state. The Middle-East lacks any kind of unifying ideology other than Islam and a pan-Muslim Islamic state-not one identical to ISIS-is conceivable. Comsider the Ottomans. Western intervention is the only thing stopping one from forming.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 12:37:24 2014 No.5932407

>>5932384
>a pan muslim islamic state is conceiveable
Pure ideology, sunni and shia have been fighting each other for more than 1000 years, and you'll believe they'll reconcile in the name of Islam of all things? Are you that desperate for your fruity little cult to dominate the world that you believe such garbage?
>islam is totally superior to everyone, it's the evil west that keeps it from achieving true greatness
Keep telling yourself that. Call me a fascist eurocentristic pig, but secular humanism needs to work some serious magic in the middle east.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 13:08:35 2014 No.5932490 >>5932407 The divide is purely ideological, faggot. Personally I'd like to convert the entire Middle-East to Catholicism but I'm too much of a realist to think that would happen. Secular humanism belongs in the trash.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 13:16:37 2014 No.5932516 >>5932490 >Secular humanism belongs in the trash. Kek, how did you think the Enlightenment got started?

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 13:19:39 2014 No.5932521

>>5932490
Obviously the divide is ideological, the entire religion is pure ideology, perhaps moreso than other religions even.
But yeah, abolishing the first amendment seems totally reasonable, but would you be ready to compromise so only you can get dictated what to believe in, while us sane people still do as we please?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 13:31:55 2014 No.5932567 >>5928837 >wah people are being right wing near me!

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 13:38:49 2014 No.5932588

>>5932516
Modern capitalism is a product of secular humanism. The Enlightenment has reversed itself.
>>5932521
No Middle-Eastern countries have anything like freedom of religion in the first place. The first amendment doesn't apply in Palestine, Egypt, or Saudi Arabia, to name a few. I'd rather see the religion that gave birth to human rights governing the world than Islam, which as you admit is a particularly ideological religion.

Anonymous Wed Dec 31 13:56:33 2014 No.5932644

>>5932068
>There would be a pan-Arab state if not for Israel.

***if not for Britain and France.

>>5932099
>Because the sunni and the shia totally wouldn't be fighting

It doesn't make sense to talk about a Sunni-Shi'i divide as if those identities have been fixed against each other since the 7th century. Those identities have shifted and been redefined quite a bit over the course of Islam's history. Sectarian conflicts arise when they're politicized in certain ways (this is the story of the 'Islamic State,' for instance.) The mere coexistence of Sunnis and Shi'is doesn't entail violence.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 13:57:00 2014 No.5932646 >>5931967 >that filename

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 31 13:57:49 2014 No.5932651 >>5932644 True, I guess Israel is a product of imperialism as much as a source of it.

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