/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.3039755]

Japanese insurance adjuster

Believe

[Anonymous No.3039762]

>I once wrote a an erotic short story for Thomas Pynchon

It's all downhill from here, I guess I should just live quietly from now on

[Anonymous No.3039764]

>>3039755

[Anonymous No.3039772]

>>3039755

Kevin Bacon is a shoe-in to play Pynchon in the biopic.

[Anonymous No.3039811]

How does it feel knowing Mr. Pinecone will have all of his old or incomplete writing burned after he dies?

[Anonymous No.3039827]

Fun fact:

Some pinecones only release their seeds under the intense heat of fire.

[Anonymous No.3039830]

Pynchon in that photo looks like Lou Reed in the 80s.

[Anonymous No.3039837]

>tfw you imagine you are on holiday in new york and rereading V in a cafe and you realise the friendly old man who starts a conversation with you is Thomas Pynchon

>tfw he will never laugh at your plebeian interpretation of V in the same way as a loving father laughs at his young son saying something stupid

[Anonymous No.3039840]

>>3039830

He looks like a skinny Stephen King.

think on

[Anonymous No.3039888]

Okay. Why don't you write a letter to Mr Pynchon, care of his lovely wife:

The Melanie Jackson Agency.
250 West 57th Street, Suite 1119,
New York, NY 10019

And ask this:

Dear Mr Pinecone, In your novel INHERENT VICE you mention that Doc Sportello gets a hard-on every time Ida Lupino's name is mentioned. I want to know if Doc Sportello got a hard-on while watching the film Ida directed, THE TROUBLE WITH ANGELS, starring Hayley Mills, with Rosalind Russell as the Mother Superior of a Nunnery. This film has always confused me, because Rosalind Russell earlier played Gypsy Rose Lee's mother in GYPSY, and Ida Lupino cast Gypsy Rose Lee opposite Roz Russell in The Trouble With Angels. Incidentally, I noted from those liner notes you wrote for that Lotion album that you are a bit of a Love Boat fan, Mr Pinecone. Do you think there's a connection between Hayley Mills's work in Ida Lupino's film and her work in the all-important episode of The Love Boat? After reading INHERENT VICE, I now realize Maritime Law would apply to that episode of The Love Boat, and I'm interested, Mr Pinecone, if that's what you meant. Sincerely, Oakley Hall

[Anonymous No.3039926]

I have Thomas Pynchon's email. He posted once on /lit/ in a thread about Shakespeare conspiracy theories.

He kept making crazy theories about Pynchon and Joyce's work, like
>>3039888

He insists he's not Thomas Pynchon but is some spanish guy and a writer. But he did admit to being friends with Harold Bloom. And there's no doubt Bloom and Pynchon are friends. He's got an insane encyclopedic mind, very strange but very funny.

I'm convinced it's him.

[Anonymous No.3039940]

"Either way, I'm not a troll. Or if I am, I would note that Bill Clinton promised in his second inaugural address in 1997 that he would build a bridge to the 21st century, and I'm the troll under it."

This is what Mr. Pynchon told me when I asked him if he was a troll.

[Anonymous No.3039948]

>>3039940
Don't tell anymore or else Spanish Pynchon may have you killed

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3039949]

>>3039926

Can you link the shakespeare thread? Doesn't have to be the post he made, but that must have been a good thread.

[Anonymous No.3039967]

>>3039949
It must be two years old. I saved the text of the posts he made.

[Anonymous No.3039969]

>>If indeed they were all by one writer, then it is entirely fair to say that man is the greatest writer in the history of the English language. Some might contest Milton,

True. But what if they were written by more than one writer? What would that do to our heroic ideas of authorship and lone genius?

Or put it this way: Sir William Empson, who was a very well-read and intelligent man, and a good poet, so I won't knock him for being a critic, at the end of his life declared that he had read Marvell's satirical poems "Advice to a Painter" and decided that it was clearly the work of 6 different people. Most professional Marvell scholars thought Empson was just off his trolley (as they say in the UK), and he probably was.

But seriously....what if? We act like geniuses act in isolation, that they owe nothing to other people.....and then suddenly somebody discovers that John Milton plagiarized one of the best phrases in Lycidas from a lousy poem called "Sir John Van Olden Barnavelt"

The phrase, incidentally, describes a writer's desire for fame..."that last infirmity of noble minds".

[Anonymous No.3039974]

But did you ever think maybe Joyce realized that people were so obsessed with Shakespeare that they were not prepared to acknowledge another great writer, and so to make them pay attention, he just gave his book the title of the character who has the longest, most boring single speech in Shakespeare's work: Ulysses?

Ulysses, whose father, incidentally, had the same name as Ophelia's brother. Laertes. Nobody mentions this in the National Library chapter of Joyce's novel. It's probably irrelevant. But what if it isn't?

[Anonymous No.3039977]

Well, I'll tell you one thing. There's only one reference to Bram Stoker or Dracula in all of Finnegans Wake. (And you can trust me on this, I've read the whole damn thing, so you wouldn't have to.) Page 145 in the Viking edition:

"Let's root out Brimstoker and give him the thrall of our lives. It's Dracula's nightout"

And yet....Finnegans Wake is about a man who comes back from the dead. Tim Finnegan is undead, you might say. So is Dracula.

But do you think there's any chance that James Joyce HAD read The Snake's Pass by Bram Stoker the way I described it, and saw the cliché Irish stereotype heroine written by a Protestant Bureaucrat Servant of the Brutish Vempire named Norah Joyce, and thought of that when Nora Barnacle gave him a handjob on Bloomsday?

It's possible. Although nobody in the thriving Joyce industry has ever mentioned it.

Bram's brother Thornley Stoker even pops up as a character in Ulysses. So who knows?

But there, I've given you a reason to take an interest in Finnegans Wake. It might be (as Gogarty suggested) the most colossal leg-pull in literary history. Or it might just be the Catholic's response to the Protestant Dracula. After all, Dracula literally drinks blood. Which--if you believe as Catholics do in the doctrine of Transubstantiation--is exactly why Protestants are afraid of Catholics in the first place.

[Anonymous No.3039979]

Yet I've never seen any of this mentioned in Joyce criticism, because Joyce critics are mostly interested in holding on to their teaching jobs rather than trying to think: What would it be like to be James Joyce?
...(some people make replies to his posts...)
Thank you, friend. I think we're all basically pretending. Or maybe I should say: Don't mock pretending. I just started posting here because I like getting people to think about literature in new and different ways, largely because I think about nothing but literature, and I don't even have anybody to share this kind of stuff with. I never sought to be an academic because I realized I would always be thinking about literature the way that either students (who love it) or writers (who maybe love it or maybe hate it but certainly don't feel like they have a choice) will think about it.

And I'd love it if somehow the academics of the world were forced to find out about 4chan. It might prove that the Time Magazine online poll was actually correct, and moot is the most influential man in America.

[Anonymous No.3039980]

I pray to God that before Pynchon dies somebody will point out that the secret answer to The Crying of Lot 49 is "Torquato Tasso". Thurn & Taxis? Torquato Tasso? The image of the badger on his back? Get it?

Torquato Tasso was a famous literary artist who went mad and got locked away. In other words, Oedipa's experience of paranoia is a form of artistic madness. That's it. It's a puzzle book, just like Pale Fire expects you to work out the puzzle that the crown jewels are hidden in Kobaltana. This, incidentally, is why my good friend Tommy basically disowned Lot 49 in the preface to Slow Learner.

Again, the fact that no academic has noticed this about Pynchon---even men as bright as Edward Mendelson or Tony Tanner---shows more about the limitations of the academic mindset than anything else.

[Anonymous No.3039983]

Shall I lay it out in lemmata? (That being the proper Greek plural.)
1. The "Taxis" in Thurn & Taxis is ascribed as being derived from the Italian word "Tasso" meaning "badger." Here's the passage....

"Soon he had added to his iconography the muted post horn and a dead badger with its four feet in the air (some said that the name Taxis came from the Italian tasso, badger, referring to hats of badger fur the early Bergamascan couriers wore). He began a sub rosa campaign of obstruction, terror and depredation along the Thurn and Taxis mail routes. Oedipa spent the next several days in and out of libraries and earnest discussions with Emory Bortz and Genghis Cohen". (If you don't believe me.)
2. Look up the Latin verb "torqueo, torquere". It means: to twist, turn, screw. "Torquato" is a Latin past-participle. Torquato Tasso = Turned Badger.
3. Of course "Thurn" is the German word for "tower", like the tower in Remedios Varo's painting.
4. Of course there is a famous poem about Torquato Tasso (besides Goethe's) by Shelley (Julian & Maddalo) which describe's Tasso as a madman locked away in a tower.
5. Shall I go on?

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3039986]

>>3039967
>>3039969
>>3039974
>>3039977
>>3039980
>>3039983

https://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S667543#p667573

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3039988]

>>3039986

Bah, didn't mean to sage.

[Anonymous No.3039992]

You do realize that, among professional philatelists, an "inverse rarity" describes a type of highly desirable mis-printed stamp, right?

For the record, I don't think Oedipa's mad. I think she's just on to something, she knows she's on to something, and she can't believe nobody else notices or cares. The question is: Is there a larger conspiracy that does notice or care, or is she really an artist manqué who is suddenly realizing that there is a sort of order to the world and nobody has noticed it?

[Anonymous No.3039995]

>>3039986
That's fucking Pynchon.

[Anonymous No.3040021]

>>3039986
Mind = blown.

[Anonymous No.3040027]

>>3039986

Wow that... might actually be Pynchon.

If it isn't Pynchon, it's someone who could probably make a moderately decent living being Pynchon.

[Anonymous No.3040033]

So Thomas Pynchon, posing as not-Bill Murray posting on 4chan, posted in a thread about Shakespeare conspiracy theories?

Yeah, it fits.

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040034]

>>3040027
I don't even care if it's Pynchon, that whole thread is just great.

[Anonymous No.3040039]

> mfw Pynchon calling other people "buttmunch" on /lit/
> mfw i have no face cause it exploded

[Anonymous No.3040045]

>>Why call him Pinecone?

It's a highly learned allusion to René Descartes theories concerning the pineal gland, which Mr Pynchon's friend Harold Bloom will confirm relates to Francis Crick's stated thesis that a biological basis for the human soul might very well be found one day.

Also, if Hawthorne spelled it "Pyncheon" why not misspell his name? It might convince him to read such mishegaas. If he's not reading it right now.....

Oh, Pynchon, you!

[Anonymous No.3040063]

I love you, Pinecone.

[Anonymous No.3040066]

> Tee hee. How about if I just say this....if a man got a nickel every time Harold Bloom spoke the words "my good friend Tommy Pynchon" that man would be a millionaire by now.

Sounds like Pynchon is making fun of Bloom for trying to be friends with Pynchon. I'm sure Pynchon is aware that Bloom thought Vineland was the worst thing ever made and claimed that he didn't think Pynchon even wrote it.

[Anonymous No.3040071]

This thread along with the other from yesterday and the original Mr. Pinecone thread are ruining my mind. Or expanding it.

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040101]

>>3040071
What thread?

[Anonymous No.3040108]

>>3040101
The one in which the copypasta attached to >>3039764
was first seen. Standard Blueberry thread until..

[Anonymous No.3040132]

The Japanese Insurance Adjuster is mentioned in Vineland

Fumimota, Takeshi · Japanese insurance & karma adjuster; meets Zoyd, 65-67;
card triggers DL's scanner, 99, 100, 103; 129; investigates giant footprint, 142-
147; attacked as Vond's double, 148-153; 155; flees to SKA for cure, 156-161; treatment at SKA, 162-166; meets Thanatoid Ortho Bob, 167-172; becomes a
karmic adjuster, 172-177; meets Vato & Blood, 177-180; 188, 189; flees to LA
from SKA, 191-194; 218, 265, 266; called back to Vineland, 324-325, 333-334;
back in Vineland, 363-366; happy ending, 380-383

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040135]

>>3040108
I forgot that's how this thread started.

[Anonymous No.3040140]

>>3040132
>Fumimota, Takeshi

>Dieb13 is the performing name of Dieter Kovačič, a Viennese based avant-garde musician. He has also performed under the names Takeshi Fumimoto

The plot thickens.

[Anonymous No.3040157]

Apparently his son is in a band at Vassar.

http://www.miscellanynews.com/2.1579/love-hurts-band-expo-to-address-valentine-s-day-woes-1.2147428
>The Facts and Figures is made up of Ben Conant '12, Andy Dymond '12, Rickie Goldman '12, Erik Snow '12 and Jackson Pynchon '13. "Our sound is hard to pin down, since our influences range from classic rock to electronica to Modest Mouse," said Goldman, who plays the saxophone and sings.

[Anonymous No.3040194]

>>3040140
Fumimoto is also in GR

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040197]

>>3040157
The music's actually pretty good.

Also, I found out the thing from yesterday's thread is actually a year old. https://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S1967671#p1967798

[Anonymous No.3040206]

Jesus wept as he imagined a possible future where somewhere, sometime, there are thousands of alternately hopeful and hateful espousings of Jerome David somewhere out there beneath the pale moonlight.

And, fiction or not, that's a pretty good story in and of itself (THIS DUDE). Meme explanation is my favorite because, you know, in even 5 years this shit is going to be researched, as even now it is being begrudingly and hopelessly compiled the sheer useless postmodernity blue boxing of it allexandria.

and "oldfags" will dispute "facts" until the end of "time"

i am totally jacking of to this, tho.

[Anonymous No.3040221]

>>3040197
Bill Murray again...

[Anonymous No.3040232]

>>3040197

Dude what is going on I'm freaking out a little here

[Anonymous No.3040244]

>>3040197

Later in the thread:

>And the fact that Ida Lupino's name gives Doc Sportello an automatic erection.

>Also, his essay in praise of Sloth, and the shout-out to "The Love Boat" in the liner notes for the Lotion album "Nobody's Cool."

Another mention of Ida Lupino, and The Love Boat reference, both match up to the pine cone letter.

[Anonymous No.3040250]

>>3039755
>mfw all the Harold Bloom praise threads actually are Harold Bloom with his buddy Pine cone.

[Anonymous No.3040265]

>>3040197
Okay, so why is it that the same sort of thing has just popped up again in the form of the blueberry threads, and also the copypasta the very first time around is different to how it is now.

[Anonymous No.3040274]

>>3040265

It was Pinecone all along.

[Anonymous No.3040316]

It appears that Ruggles likes Family Guy as well. Or at least he watches it - he may not like it.

[Anonymous No.3040334]

Is anyone else beginning to feel a little like Ophelia now from CoL49 after reading these conspiracy threads? I'm starting to get a little freaked out.

Please Mr. Pinecone. I can't handle this I don't know if it's you or some clever anon who has some crazy scheme that spans 2 years.

[Anonymous No.3040344]

>>3040316

>mfw I saw Thomas Pynchon ripped off his tits on a sofa chuckling throughout a Family Guy marathon while he ate four bags of chips and four hot-dogs.

[Anonymous No.3040348]

What do we do now?

[Anonymous No.3040355]

You fucking e/lit/ists never cease to amaze you can analyze and analyse all you want but you never read the writing on the wall. Why would pinecone even bother posting in any Shakespearian authorship thread. It's really obvious.

Thomas Pynchon went to Oyster Bay High School. Thomas Pynchon went to Cornell. Thomas Pynchon served in the navy. Thomas Pynchon went back to Cornell. He wrote a shitty short story in a school magazine.

Thomas Pynchon is also the name on all of his published novels. While Shakespeare was obviously a real person, the question is whether or not he wrote the plays attributed to him. Pinecone is a real person, but did he write those books?


No.

Thomas Pynchon is just the pen name for Bill fucking Murray.

Sincerely,
John Rhys Davies

[Anonymous No.3040358]

>>3040348

We have his address, we have the key.

We reach out to Mr. Pinecone.

[Anonymous No.3040362]

>>3040334
> that's the point

[Anonymous No.3040363]

>>3040355

Okay I'm freaking out

[Anonymous No.3040370]

Let's write Mr Ruggles Pinecone a letter, care of his lovely wife, Melanie Jackson....

[Anonymous No.3040373]

>>3040355

[Anonymous No.3040377]

>>3040348
I think he wants us to think critically. I think that's the whole point. He wants us to break out of that mold of reading interpretation that academia has instilled on us now. At least that's what I think. Clearly he wasn't giving us the answers, but rather clues or maybe just facts that he hoped would inspire us to draw conclusions in ways people hasn't so far and to branch out and grow as thinkers.

But that's just the opinion of a hopeful anon.

[Anonymous No.3040381]

For the record, Blueberry Guy's first post on /lit/ was on Oct 26, 2010.

On foolz archive, the first "blueberry fetish OP" I can find is from Feb 2009, but the OP says "From the bowels of fanfiction.net". Take this with a grain of salt, and also note that Blueberry Guy rarely if ever writes his own content, so it's probably not him. Can someone go to fanfiction dot net and confirm if it was originally posted there?

http://archive.foolz.us/_/search/text/blueberry/end/2010-10-28/order/asc/page/5/

As for the earliest, seemingly-authentic Blueberry Guy post according to foolz: it's on Sep 3, 2009.

http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/24800052/#24800052

There are a few interspersed through 2010, but he REALLY picks up in Sept of 2010:
http://archive.foolz.us/tv/thread/7569027/#7569027
http://archive.foolz.us/tv/thread/8062602/#8062602
http://archive.foolz.us/tv/thread/11847704/#11847704
http://archive.foolz.us/tv/thread/11949821/#11949821
http://archive.foolz.us/tv/thread/11967893/#11967893
http://archive.foolz.us/tv/thread/12070592/#12070592
http://archive.foolz.us/tv/thread/12074661/#12074661
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/41477072/#41477072
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/41538392/#41538392
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/41540185/#41540185
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/41604214/#41604214

I ended the search at Oct 28, roughly when he began posting here. Also note that foolz archive only covers certain larger boards: [ a / co / jp / m / q / sp / tg / tv / v / vg / wsg ]

Any other internet detectives think there's a connection?

[Anonymous No.3040386]

>>3040355
Nope, not him. You've tried to emulate the style, but I can tell. You're not not-Bill Murray

[Anonymous No.3040387]

William Shakespeare = Harold Bloom = Thomas Pynchon = Tao Lin

[Anonymous No.3040390]

>>3040381

Oct 28 is only about 20 days from now... Stay keen.

[Anonymous No.3040391]

> mfw I come home from a Tupperware party where the hostess had put perhaps too much kirsch in the fondue
> mfw this is the first thread I see

[Anonymous No.3040394]

>>3040387
>this conspiracy was orchestrated by Tao Lin

It all makes sense now.

[Anonymous No.3040395]

I don't know about this blueberry shit, but that was definitely Pynchon in that Shakespeare thread.

[Anonymous No.3040397]

>>3040386

...Is that because you're Not-Bill Murray Pinecone?

Or am I? Or was it Breakspeare? Norah Joyce (not to be confused with Nora Barnacle)? The late roman emperor Claudius Hamlet?

[Anonymous No.3040399]

>>3040390
>I ended the search at Oct 28, roughly when he began posting here

My apologies, I meant to say Oct 28 of 2010, roughly when he began posting here on /lit/. I'm sure he's had at least monthly threads here since then, but I haven't gone to check exactly how many. It's all surely on warosu.

[Anonymous No.3040401]

Can someone please explain what the fuck this thread is even about

[Anonymous No.3040403]

>>3040399

Yes I know, but that date is significant nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.3040410]

>>3040401
The probability that Thomas Pynchon
a. has posted on
b. continues to post
c. is posting currently

on the Literature image board of 4chan.com

[Anonymous No.3040411]

>>3040401
Integral of One over (Book) d (Book)

[Anonymous No.3040416]

http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S644003#p645241
Has this been pointed out before? Check the double quotes in this thread.

[Anonymous No.3040424]

>>3040386
I never pretended to be, you only listen to posts that are quirky and have a picture of an actor at the top.

I might be David Foster Wallace though

[Anonymous No.3040426]

>>3040387
Marlowe=William Shakespeare = Harold Bloom = Thomas Pynchon = Tao Lin

[Anonymous No.3040427]

>>3040416

duuuuuuuude

[Anonymous No.3040428]

>>3040397
I am not.

But I realize that even this denial won't help the matter because we're anonymous and we don't have a way to know for sure of anyone's true identity. But can't that be said about everything? Do we ever have full certainty of anything going on in the world, or even the reality around us?

All we have is faith that we aren't mad, or maybe even the faith that we are, yet we're just mad enough that we can't tell that we are. Which once again brings to question the idea of identity, if we can even identify madness, conspiracy, reality.

If we jump down on fox hole, we find ourselves surrounded with a myriad of others.

[Anonymous No.3040432]

>>3040416
Holy shit!

He starts talking about a "turing test"...That's what he was asking me when we e-mailed. His words were "book chat or turing test?"

What the fuck is even going on? I got too nervous and stopped e-mailing him. Kept feeling really stupid. I guess I'll have to try again.

[Anonymous No.3040433]

>>3040424
>I never pretended to be
>Thank you, friend. I think we're all basically pretending. Or maybe I should say: Don't mock pretending.
https://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S667543#p668066

I'm... conflicted

[Anonymous No.3040436]

>>3040432

Wait, you're the guy who emailed with him? Can you share some more about that?

[Anonymous No.3040438]

Time to write this guy a letter.

I suggest we do it in red krayola.

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040439]

Man, I don't care if we are just jerking ourselves over imagined niche conspiracies, this is fantastic.

[Anonymous No.3040440]

>>3040416

A point of consistency: All the Not-Bill Murrays have been using ">>" to quote, instead of the standard one ">".

[Anonymous No.3040450]

>>3040436
Well, in that original Shakespeare thread that I started, I asked if I could have his e-mail, instead I gave him my email and he sent me an e-mail saying "book chat or turing test" like
>>3039940
Basically, I felt like it probably was Pynchon and didn't know what to ask him, the e-mails didn't really end up going anywhere and he said he tries to avoid the computer because, "It's O.K to be a Luddite."

[Anonymous No.3040456]

>>3040450
And here' some of the emails.

Hey there....sorry for the delay in responding, I'm bad about email.

Do I know Pynchon? Alas no.

I just have a habit (especially in anonymous online outlets) of
tossing around the phrase "my good friend Tommy Pynchon" for the
simple reason that, although I don't know Mr Pynchon, I do know (all
too well) his fellow Cornell alumnus, the great Harold Bloom. And
Harold Bloom drops the phrase "my good friend Tommy Pynchon" with
sufficient frequency that it's something of a punchline among those
who know Bloom to go around using the phrase.

In fact, if you find this amusing (otherwise it's just stale academic
gossip that you may feel free to disregard....undergraduate students
used to play a game in Bloom's seminars, called "Bloom Bingo", where
you'd get a Bingo Card in which every space was a different thing that
Harold Bloom could be counted upon to say at least once in a 2-hour
lecture. So the free space in the center was "My dear", since Harold
Bloom never learned anyone's name, he just called everybody "My dear".
(I personally got to witness occasions where he forgot the names of
Umberto Eco and Derek Walcott, and just called each of them "my
dear".)

Anyway, "my good friend Tommy Pynchon" was always a square on the
Bingo Card, because Bloom was guaranteed to say it at least once in
any given lecture, although nobody ever had the nerve to grill him on
whether he actually did know Pynchon (from Cornell days or thanks to
his own critical praise of Pynchon's work or whatever).

[Anonymous No.3040457]

>>3040355
An addendum: It is both entirely possible and plausible that V. was written by a 13 year old Bill Murray.

[Anonymous No.3040459]

Ok so let's take a step backwards for a moment.
So there's this rumour >>3039764 that says Pynchon is preparing a new book about a japanese insurance adjuster with a weird fantasy about a girl becoming a blueberry (related with a screening of the original Willy Wonka). This rumour airs the sixth of October. The Blueberry Fantasy Threads have been around for about what? Two weeks now, three? roughly once or twice a week.
It could be there's no such thing as a roomate to Pynchon's son and it is Pynchon himself (or associates) calling attention to those threads (so that they deliver better results). There could actually be a roomate. Or just an anon trying to call attention to his thread (he has not been nearly as articulate as Not-BillMurray). Also, why would the threads track back all the way to 2010. Wouldn't Pynchon be done by now with his "research"?

How exactly do we go about to find out wich is it?

[Anonymous No.3040461]

>>3040416
Jesus, he's basically admitting it, and utterly destroying shitposters as he does it. Fantastic.

[Anonymous No.3040464]

>>3040456
con't

Of course the reading I have of "Crying of Lot 49" is pretty different
from anything that Bloom would ever say about the book (even if he
does include it in his shortlist of the "twentieth century sublime").
Then again, I'm not an academic critic, I'm a writer, I just view
things in a different way. From my perspective, the big question with
"Lot 49" is *why* would Pynchon disavow it in the preface to "Slow
Learner"? I mean, in many ways it's the best-loved of his books (and
the funniest). Anyway I'm convinced that it's because he was writing
a Nabokovian puzzle-novel (a la Pale Fire) in which everybody somehow
missed the big clue as to how to unravel the puzzle. But not being an
academic critic, I just have that as an opinion, not much more.

But just by virtue of what I do for a living, I do have enough friends
in publishing to know that, well, if you do feel like sending him a
fan letter, send it to Melanie Jackson, and it might get through. If
you hear back from him, let me know.

[Anonymous No.3040469]

>>3040459
It's simple, we kill the Pinecone

[Anonymous No.3040476]

>>3040439

I think that's Mr. Pinecone's point exactly.

[Anonymous No.3040482]

>>3040416
He said he was in his 30s 2 years ago. meaning he was born between 69 and 79.

[Anonymous No.3040488]

>>3040482
Also said he has only published 3 books.
Probably isn't Pinecone

[Anonymous No.3040489]

>>3040482

You're assuming we can trust autobiographical details that he was very reluctant to give in the first place.

[Anonymous No.3040496]

I heard that Pynchon would party and make friends with young kids (20 somethings) when he lived in Manhattan Beach, and they all swore to keep his identity secret.

Wouldn't be that much of a stretch for him to come on 4chan and try to get kids 'think about literature' but then again, it would be a stretch.

[Anonymous No.3040498]

>>In theory, yes. In practice, we could cyber. I'm better in writing than in the flesh.

There exists the possibility that somewhere on /lit/, there's a young girl who had cyber sex with Thomas Pynchon.

[Anonymous No.3040502]

So what we have right now about Mr. Not-Bill Murray is:
1. born between 69 and 79
2. attended Bloom's seminar

[Anonymous No.3040505]

argh, I'm so damn MAD at warosu now. I think I've found a signature Pynchon punctuation but I can't search for it.

He uses triple dashes: ---

http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S1935956#p1937494
http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S1225732#p1225765
http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S947873#p947984
http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S648450#p649151
http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S648450#p649151

To a lesser extent, he also uses overlong ellipses: .....
or ....

Why are the triple dashes (---) important, and not just the trademark of some random guy? Well, remember the Shakespeare thread with allusions galore? Thurn & Taxis? Torquato Tasso? The poster that may have been Pynchon?

Yep. Triple dashes.

http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S667543#p668136

[Anonymous No.3040510]

Pinecone clearly wants us to write him some letters.

Should we ask him if he'll be making a cameo appearance in PTA's Inherent Vice?

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040515]

>>3040482
If they're the same guy, who's a person in their thirties or forties who has had their few works featured in the courses of those school he'd mentioned?

[Anonymous No.3040528]

I think I'm actually going to send a letter to Pinecone. I'm feeling something special here

[Anonymous No.3040534]

>>3040528
Me too. In that thread he said to make sure to include the secret trystero symbol on the back of the stamp. Not sure if sarcastic or not, but I'm going to do it anyways.

[Anonymous No.3040540]

> Blood Meridian
> Overwrought, overelaborate, clearly written by McCarthy with his scabby cock in one hand and Roget's thesaurus in the other.
Hahaha.
> Catch-22
> Read it again. It's not as good as you thought. Overrated.
Yeah, I don't think this guy is Pynchon. I remember reading that Pynchon thought Catch-22 was an american classic, or maybe that was On the Road?

Howl: 2 votes
GOD NO. That's not writing, that's typing. Anybody can drop acid and get fucked in the ass by a saintly motorcyclist. You don't even have to do it, you can just pretend, and suddenly an untalented woman is superhot gay writer "JT Leroy".

This guy is pretty hilarious. Might be Pynchon.

[Anonymous No.3040544]

>>3040456

From this thread: http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S667543

>Tee hee. How about if I just say this....if a man got a nickel every time Harold Bloom spoke the words "my good friend Tommy Pynchon" that man would be a millionaire by now.

It must be the same person.

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040549]

http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S644003#p645325
http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S644003#p645302

>University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USND_at_Hoople
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schickele
>On several recordings Schickele states that he is a professor at the fictitious University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople.

I can't get this to lead anywhere, damnit.

[Anonymous No.3040551]

oh god is this really a thing or am i just drunker than i thought

[Anonymous No.3040556]

>>3040551

You're starting to get it.

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040558]

http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S644003#p645363

So we know he's written more than just fiction, I'd suspect essays and poetry.

[Anonymous No.3040562]

>>3040549
That's more evidence that the person who posted the wife address is also the person who mentioned Hoople. To think that two different people would bring up the same thing in two similar threads is unrealistic; it has to be Pynchon, or someone closely affiliated with him.

[Anonymous No.3040564]

How did I do it? I wrote a fan letter to a writer I truly admired, the kind of letter that let him know how seriously I took his work. He wrote back, surprised that somebody cared about the work and wasn't just asking for help with writing a term paper. He asked me to lunch. I took a train to NYC and had lunch with him. He told me if I ever wrote something he would be glad to read it. It took me several years to write something good enough to send to him. I sent it to him. He said his agent wasn't taking new clients but there were other people in the same agency, bla bla bla.

Well, it might not be Pynchon, but it seems like he's suggesting that he sent Pynchon a letter and they had lunch and Pynchon got him hooked up with publishers.

[Anonymous No.3040567]

Fuck, I want to read all those links so bad. I hope the thread is still here when I m back

[Anonymous No.3040573]

So uh, e-mail address

[e-mail]

It's in one of those damn links.

Jump down one fox hole to find a bunch more. You sure were right, Pinecone. Or whoever. Bill fucking Murray, maybe.

[Anonymous No.3040578]

I can't get enough of this guy:

Whoa, never occurred to me that both Tom Cruise and John Travolta started off as Catholics, that Catholics have to confess, that if you have half a brain you realize that (say) John Travolta never bothered to confess that he liked having sex with men, he realized that psychiatry didn't seem to be able to change people's sexuality, but he still felt guilty about his sexuality, so he found L.Ron's system of "auditing" which is basically a Freudian Catholic Confessional with a fake lie-detector attached.

[Anonymous No.3040579]

>>3040564
Not necessarily. Pynchon went to Cornell and graduated in 1959 - he published his first novel "V" in 1963. He could have been talking about himself going on the train ride to visit an admired author.

[Anonymous No.3040582]

>>3040573
Whoever he is, let's keep it respectful.

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040584]

>>3040573

Adolphe Menjou starred as Prince Lucio Rimanez in the Sorrows of Satan. *He graduated from Cornell*.

"Menjou was born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to a French father, Albert Menjou, and an Irish mother from Galway, Nora (née Joyce)."
>Irish mother from Galway, Nora (née Joyce).

i'm going to scream this can't be coincidental

[Anonymous No.3040586]

Archive this shit

[Anonymous No.3040590]

http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S644003#p645819

[Anonymous No.3040591]

>>3040584

Holy shit dude

[Anonymous No.3040588]

>>3040582

I'd hope that anyone who has now read as much of this guy's stuff on /lit/ as I have would have reason to be respectful.

But hell, anyone who has now read as much of this guy's stuff on /lit/ as I have would know he'd probably chuckle and be done with any ambitious flinging of obscenity.

It's just a silly email address he posted in a /lit/ thread. Says he uses it for things. I'm not worried if Pinecone isn't.

[Anonymous No.3040589]

>>3040549
Has anyone noticed the similarities between the trystero and the tromboon.

Maybe that's something, or maybe Pinecone or Not!Bill Murray or whoever the fuck is a big Schickele fan

[Anonymous No.3040594]

>>3040584
Motherfucking Pinecone.

[Anonymous No.3040598]

>>3040584
WHAT THE SHIT

[Anonymous No.3040599]

Pinecone is turning us all into Oedipa's, and he wants us to, get this, mail him a letter.

[Anonymous No.3040603]

I'm calling the New Yorker guys, don't wait up.

[Anonymous No.3040607]

>>3040599

[Anonymous No.3040608]

> tfw this thread and no homeless man to cradle against your bosom

It was a homeless guy, right? It's been awhile...

[Anonymous No.3040609]

>>3040584
The book The Sorrows of Satan was written in 1895 by Marie Corelli, who lived for a time in Stratford upon Avon.

It is mentioned in the book "Idol of Suburbia: Marie Corelli and Late-Victorian Literary Culture" that Joyce was fascinated with corelli and emulated her style in Ulysses and Finnegans Wake

I hate and/or love you so much pinecone

[Anonymous No.3040613]

>>3040609

fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S644003#p645680

[Anonymous No.3040619]

>>3040609
IT KEEPS HAPPENING

[Anonymous No.3040624]

>>3040609
>>3040584

The only reason I believe that this is really Pinecon's email is not beacause of the Shakepeare/Joyce connections, but because he is the one of the few men in the world I wouldn't put past putting this much subtext into in e-mail address.

[Anonymous No.3040626]

If anyone actually e-mails him post your response if you get one, of course.

[Anonymous No.3040627]

>>3040624

An alternate email address.

[Anonymous No.3040631]

Pynchon apparently posted on that Pynchon newsletter website. He made an anonymous post calling everyone "dunces" for being so pedantic.

At least people suspect it was him because of the style of the post.

[Anonymous No.3040632]

Good lord, this is blowing my mind. I love you Pinecone♥

[Anonymous No.3040636]

http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S644003#p645715

>But I'm assuming you're British, and the most I'll say about my own career as a writer is that I was pretty infamous in the UK once for writing something that was serious but not solemn about a topic that a lot of people in the UK had unwarrantedly passionate emotions about (from the POV of an outsider like myself). So you should see the hate mail I got from bluehaired pensioners in Swindon who would never have heard of my existence if the tabloids hadn't decided to make some American nobody writer into the villain-of-the-week.

I haven't read enough of his work to know if this fits.

[Anonymous No.3040640]

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

[e-mail]

Technical details of permanent failure:
The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or unnecessary

[Anonymous No.3040641]

>>3040609
Here we go. Bill Murray's "Serious student of weather history" alter ego posted on his twitter account this status on the 13th of July 2012:

"7/13/1895: 3 tornadoes crossed present day New York City form Hoboken to Harlem to Queens. 1 killed."

Source: http://twitter.com/wxhistorian/statuses/223796460330815490

Tornadoes? The main character in Sorrows of Satan is named Geoffrey Tempest.
New York? Harold Bloom grew up in New York.
13th of July 2012? Also on that date this blog entry was posted regarding a plot to preserve journal entries relating to Pynchon, his identity and his writings: https://www.martineve.com/2012/07/13/orbit-writing-around-pynchon-is-now-digitally-preserved-by-cloc
kss/

I suspect there is more information to be found in the persona of Dr Martin Paul Eve.

[Anonymous No.3040642]

>>3040640

Well, it was from two years ago. That's a shame.

[Anonymous No.3040646]

>>3040640
Shit. I bet he's monitoring the thread.

We're moving to Plan B, guys.

[Anonymous No.3040647]

>>3040641

So are you saying Bill Murray is Thomas Pinecone

[Anonymous No.3040649]

>>3040647
What I am saying is that there is a man out there who has the answers and his name is Dr Martin Paul Eve.

[Anonymous No.3040653]

In that thread, he says we'll know him by the Lord Byron's epitaph for a man Shelley described as "looking like murder personified"

>google "Man who Percy Shelley said was murder personified"
>first link that comes up is wikipedia article about Dopplegangers

what the fuck /lit/

[Anonymous No.3040658]

>>3040653
Madness.

I hope this thread is getting archived.

[Anonymous No.3040660]

GUYS

>Martin Eve

[Anonymous No.3040665]

>>3040660
Fuck it.

I'm not sleeping tonight.

[Woodlock !zgnjBjvEy2 No.3040667]

I just tried sending an email to [e-mail] and it failed as the email address does not exist.

[Anonymous No.3040668]

>>3040660
holy fuck

[Anonymous No.3040674]

I don't know what's real and what's fabrication anymore.

Hold me, /lit/.

[Anonymous No.3040675]

>>3040667
We are aware of that already.

Time to buy some postage stamps.

[Anonymous No.3040677]

>>3040641
Martin Eve is of the age and credentials to be Not!Bill Murray.

[Woodlock !zgnjBjvEy2 No.3040678]

>>3040675
Yeah I see that now, my bad. If I wasn't foreign you fucking bet I'd be sending Pynchon a letter asking what he's playing at,

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040679]

>>3040677
Not American.

[Anonymous No.3040682]

https://www.martineve.com/c-v/

OVER HALF OF THESE FUCKING PAPERS ARE ABOUT PYNCHON

FUCK

[Anonymous No.3040683]

>>3040677
> Associate Lecturer & Tutor at the University of Sussex. Researches American post-War fiction. Editor of Orbit: Writing Around Pynchon and Alluvium Journal.

Sounds pretty academic to me.

[Anonymous No.3040685]

I think there's a good chance Martin Eve has been on /lit/ before, but I don't think he's Pinecone.

For one, Martin Eve hasn't published anything literary.

[Anonymous No.3040687]

Martin Eve led a university module in which he declares that "The New World...an era of unbounded scientific and logical positivism" begins in 1895.

https://www.martineve.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Martin-Paul-Eve-Literature-1860-1945-Syllabus.p
df

[Anonymous No.3040691]

>>3040685
not-Bill Murray/Pinecone insists he's not a scholar, not in that field and therefore, thinks differently.

I don't think it's this Martin Eve guy, but I'm not going to rule him out as a possible accomplice.

[Anonymous No.3040692]

>>3040687
For those who can't keep up, 1895 was the publication year of The Sorrows of Satan.

I am loving amphetamines right now, does anyone else love amphetamines?

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040696]

>>3040653
I really think this shouldn't be over looked, can anyone expound on this?

[Anonymous No.3040697]

>>I like the twilight saga
In that case, discuss the Twilight Saga with reference to Christopher Marlowe's "Edward the Second". Here's what I think....
Stefenie Meyer is a Mormon. Every volume of the Twilight saga reminds you she majored in English Lit at Brigham Young University. Her main characters are named Edward and Isabella, nicknamed "Bella".

WHy would she name them after the main characters in Marlowe's famous gay play? Mormon homophobia? That would explain why Edward in Twilight is twinkly, he's damned for eternity, he refuses to have sex with Isabella, and why everybody on /b/ thinks Edward is a faggot.

[Anonymous No.3040698]

>>3040692
It was also the publication year of HG Wells' 'The Time Machine'.

[Anonymous No.3040704]

Someone calls NotBillMurray Max:

http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S644003#p635213

Why?

[Anonymous No.3040706]

>>3040653
>>3040658

http://www.blueridgejournal.com/poems/gb-epitaph.htm

Voila.

[Anonymous No.3040709]

>>3040704

Oh, it's because they think he's Max Brooks.

I wonder why.

[Anonymous No.3040711]

>>3040704
He was accusing him of being Max Brooks.

[Anonymous No.3040717]

>>3040704

>was instrumental in securing the passage of the controversial Irish Act of Union of 1800.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stewart,_Viscount_Castlereagh

This means something I'm sure but I'm so lost right now I don't know what

[Anonymous No.3040720]

>>3040704
>http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S644003#p635213

referring to max brooks, author of that book about zombies...possibly there is a link somewhere

[Anonymous No.3040725]

Fuck I think it was just Max Brooks. He appears in Guardian, was born in the 70s, and has only published three books.

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040730]

>>3040720
>>3040725
He denied that he was Max Brooks and asked if Max Brooks actually posted on /lit/.

And Max Brooks got big by his parents, not by a connection to an author.

[Anonymous No.3040731]

>>3040725
>whatabigfuckingletdown.jpg

[Anonymous No.3040735]

There was a Max Brooks born in 1895...Nothing is known of his past...

http://www.ancientfaces.com/research/person/12168585/brooks-max-profile-and-genealogy

And this was the same year as The Time Machine...Same year as Sorrows of Satan...

I have a suspicion that Max Brooks and Thomas Pynchon are one and the same. They are possibly also Shakespeare. HG Wells knows about this, as does Harold Bloom. I just need some more evidence....And there are a few pieces missing still.

[Anonymous No.3040742]

>>3040735
>....
Holy fuck it's Tom trying to push us off course

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040747]

>>3040742
>>3040735
>>3040731
Aside from age, it doesn't fit. I don't think it's Max Brooks.

>>3040725
What's he in the Guardian for?

[Anonymous No.3040751]

>>3040725

There doesn't seem to be any record of Max Brooks causing any controversy over there, though.

[Anonymous No.3040752]

>>3040747
Some shit about Zombie movies and another about his pops

[Anonymous No.3040753]

>>3040735
yeah...fuck off Pinecone, we're trying to find out if Pinecone is posting on /lit/, you're throwing us off

[Anonymous No.3040759]

D.T. Max is also the biographer of David Foster Wallace, Martin Eve wrote an article about the book.

[Anonymous No.3040763]

>>3040759
pf course DFW is involved, how could we have overlooked that

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040777]

http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S644003#p645455
This might narrow it down by his affiliations?

https://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S667543#p667738

[e-mail]

[Anonymous No.3040782]

>>3040777
Yeah...I'm the guy who sent him some e-mails and tipped you off about it.

I tried searching the Columbia courses page for authors that Jenny Davidson teaches., she teaches Pynchon but a bunch of other stuff. I couldn't really narrow it down.

[Anonymous No.3040786]

My brain is exploding from how crazy this is.

[Anonymous No.3040792]

LERNU ARCHIVE

[Anonymous No.3040793]

>>3040777
email sent to fatlenny

[Anonymous No.3040798]

>>3040793

You just sent an email to that guy
>>3040782

Try to pay attention, please.

[Anonymous No.3040801]

>>3040793
I'm not Pinecone.

We emailed a tiny bit. As I posted a bunch of times...But I gave the e-mail to another guy "Matthew Griffin" who was in the original thread and wanted his email. I asked Pinecone if it was cool if I give him the email (princelucio...) and he was pretty enthusiastic about it.

But that's all I know. I don't know if that lead to anything.

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040803]

>>3040782
Oh, misread.

He said he loved reading the Hitchhiker's books as a kid, so he couldn't have been, I suspect, very much younger than 12 in 1985, He had to have been in his late thirties, born between '69 and the early '70s.

[Anonymous No.3040810]

i'm starting to get confused, can someone summarise for me so i know where we are.

[Anonymous No.3040812]

>>3040810

No

[Anonymous No.3040814]

You're now aware that this thread is a new Thomas Pynchon short story, crowd sourced to 4chan.

[Anonymous No.3040816]

>>3040803
Yeah, but again, if you were Pinecone, would you be pretending to be a 70 something writer who's not Pinecone? or a 30 something writer who's not Pinecone?

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040819]

>>3040810
http://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S644003
https://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S667543

We have these two threads with this one guy, Read that one guy's analysis of Bluberry, and we're getting wildly digressive. I might tackle a comprehensive summary tomorrow.

Has anyone come up with anything about Blueberry Fetish Guy that might relate?

[Anonymous No.3040822]

>>3040814

I'd read that.

[Anonymous No.3040825]

>>3040819
so why was i researching martin eve and the sorrows of satan for an hour

[Anonymous No.3040830]

>>3040810
A couple years ago, someone made some really interesting, Pynchonesque posts about Pynchon, Joyce, Shakespeare among other things, in a thread about Shakespeare authorship. He encouraged people to send Pynchon letters. He gave someone his e-mail.

Turns out this guy has been making a couple appearances on /lit/. All of the same quality and always making tiny hints that he is not-Bill Murray/not-Pynchon but the kind of knowledge this guy has is incredible.

Now we're slowly figuring out that there seems to be an awful lot of coincidences with everything this guy has been saying. A lot of things seem to be pointing back to Pynchon.

Either the guy is Pynchon or some guy is talented enough to impersonate Pynchon...

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040831]

>>3040825
I didn't bring everything up because I still can't parse it all as one big thing.

I don't fuckin' know, man, shit'll get better resolved if that book we're talking about comes out or someone comprehensively organizes everything everyone's said here.

[Anonymous No.3040833]

>>3040825
Because that's all part of His plan.....

Also, pronouns for Pinecone must now be capitalized

[Anonymous No.3040836]

>>3040810

basically it's a bunch of people trying to associate a very clever authorial troll with Thomas Pynchon. The author is almost definitely NOT T. Pynchon - none of the timing and the biographical facts about himself and his books add up to the conclusion that this is Thomas Pynchon. The connection to the Blueberry fetish anon is very interesting and could be related to Pynchon, but somehow got connected to a series of /lit/ posts from 2009/2010 and that's what people are currently hung up on.

tl;dr Blueberry fetish anon and 2009/2010 mystery author anon are probably not the same person. Blueberry fetish anon appears to have some credibility as a connection to Pynchon though.

[Anonymous No.3040843]

when thomas Pynchon dies, I'm going to finally tell the story of how I accompanied him to endless auditions for "America's Next Pop Idol" and "So You Think You Can Dance".

Tom's only real ambition was to be recognised for who he was, and who he was was a popular entertainer, trapped in an author's body.

When you see the videos I have of him taking on the guy from Man vs. Food over a plate of Savage Dan's Utica Buffalo Wings then you will completely reappraise your opinion of the man.

He's one of my best friends, but I hope he dies soon so I can start to cash in on this shit.

[Anonymous No.3040844]

>>3040830
It seems to me that these things aren't pointing back to pynchon, but pointing around him, to things like Joyce, Shakespeare, Martin Eve, Catholicism. Pynchon looks like the common denominator but nothing conclusively says him.

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040845]

>>3040833
So we haven't taken out calling him The Beautiful Coherence yet?

>>3040836
And if he's not lying at all, it'd be great to know WHO he is, because I really want to read his shit, or at least hear something from him.

[Anonymous No.3040847]

>>3040836

But how can you just ignore the Bill Murray connection?

https://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S1967671#p1967798

[Anonymous No.3040848]

>>3040836
But we can't trust this guy's biographical facts. How many 70 year old writers can you think of would even use the internet?

But seriously, this is being archived, right?

[Anonymous No.3040849]

Is it just me or does this (potential) notion of Thomas Pynchon sound a lot like Borges or maybe Calvino. Not suggesting it's them (although...) but there's definitely something Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius-ian about this whole thing

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040851]

>>3040845
taken to*

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040853]

>>3040847
Because it's a joke, Bill Murray taking people's shit and saying "no one will ever believe you" has been a meme for a while.

[Anonymous No.3040856]

>>3040845
Though it isn't perfect, I do think not-bill is Martin Paul Eve

[Anonymous No.3040858]

>>3040849
Apparently Pynchon derided Crying of Lot 49 saying he wrote it hopped on too much Borges.

There's definitely something Tlonesque,and Borgesian about CoL 49.

And there's definitely something CoL 49-ish about this thread.

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040860]

>>3040856
He's not American, and I don't think he's written any fiction, or that anything he's written has been featured in a course's syllabus in those three schools not-Bill had mentioned.

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040862]

>>3040860
Also he's supposedly Spanish.

[Anonymous No.3040865]

IS THIS BEING ARCHIVED?

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040867]

>>3040865
IT ALREADY IS.
https://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S3039755

[Anonymous No.3040868]

>>3040865
Every thread is. All the time. Relax

[Anonymous No.3040870]

>>3040862
He's not spanish. I misremembered based on the email name Lucio Rimanez. I thought he was posing as some exotic foreigner, but he was actually just making some obscure reference and never claimed to be a certain Prince L. Rimanez, of Chaldean descent.

[Anonymous No.3040873]

>>3040868
>>3040867
Oh damn. That's cool.

[Anonymous No.3040875]

>>3040848

You'd be astonished how many 70 year-old writers are hanging around on the internet. What else are we going to do? Where else to look for ideas? I, personally, am a little old for the whole Hemingway scene.

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040876]

So is anyone bothering to look through the Guardian archives to see if there's an American author that incited rage in the British elderly?

[Anonymous No.3040877]

>>3040876

No, I've taken Pinecone's advice and picked up masturbation instead.

[βPictoris !NLqByHLcRc No.3040879]

>>3040877
It's virtually the same as we're doing here.

[Anonymous No.3040881]

http://chanarchive.org/request_votes

Archive is here under >>3039755

[Anonymous No.3040884]

>>3040876

My good friend Salman Rushdie?

[Anonymous No.3040885]

>>3040876
> Google 'The Guardian negative review of American author'
>First result is Every Love Story Is a Ghost Story, D.T. Max's Biography of DFW

Are you fucking kidding me it happened again

[Anonymous No.3040886]

>>3040879

Yes, just as fun too.

[Anonymous No.3040887]

>>3040885

pffthahaha

[Anonymous No.3040926]

>mfw this whole thread
>mfw it's possible mr pinecone orchestrated all those blueberry-fetish posts

[Anonymous No.3040932]

This entire thread is insane. Do you think this will appear as a chapter in "The Japanese Insurance Adjuster"?

[Anonymous No.3040935]

>>3040932
One of the longest, most difficult, most ambitious meta-chapters in years.

[Anonymous No.3040938]

Some more post possibly by not-Bill Murray. I haven't read them yet just saw the typical >> while searching archives:
https://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S650746#p651099
https://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/651184
https://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/651733
https://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/651693

Found them by searching around the dates he posted in the other two threads we had. I'm sure there is much more, but I have shit to do tonight. Maybe someone else could give it a swing:
https://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/?task=page&page=7549

[Anonymous No.3040937]

>>3040926
>>3040932
All my feels. This thread is messing with my head.

[Anonymous No.3040941]

>>3040935
That would be fucking amazing.

[Anonymous No.3040950]

Ruggles must finish this book before he dies.

[Woodlock !zgnjBjvEy2 No.3040988]

>> Implying everybody using double meme arrows is not-Billy Murphy

[Anonymous No.3040994]

>>3040988
https://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S651733#p652085
some of them are

[rangaha !KJKZ7n2h3I No.3041011]

Postan in case my words are recorded for posterity in a novel about a Japanese Insurance Adjuster or a novel about a blueberry woman
Rangaha

[Anonymous No.3041015]

>>3040950
>yfw ruggles pulls a Marlowe and fakes his own death and writes under a pseudonym (assuming "Thomas Pynchon" is not already a pseudonym) and the author of the pseudonymous works becomes revered as the greatest literary and possibly artistc mind of perhaps all time

[Anonymous No.3041023]

>>3041011
It's one novel, about an insurance adjuster that wants to fuck blueberry women

[Anonymous No.3041026]

>> Pynchon posts in a thread about Shakespeare authorship
>> "But what if they were written by more than one writer? What would that do to our heroic ideas of authorship and lone genius?"
>> Pynchon posts premise of unfinished future book
>> /lit/ unwittingly starts to finish writing the book
>> /lit/ keeps searching for who is not-Pynchon and doesn't figure it out

Don't you get it? We are not Pynchon. We are Pynchon.

[Anonymous No.3041029]

>>3041026
>We are not-pynchon
>therefore we are not-bill murray
>we are pynchon
>therefore we are bill murray
>we are bill murray
>I am bill murray

I am Bill Murray

[Anonymous No.3041035]

>>3040590
>fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/S644003#p645680

this got ignored, but have you looked at this? it seems like he WANTS to be identified (or it's just another red herring)

[Anonymous No.3041037]

https://fuuka.warosu.org/lit/thread/654339
what fuck

[Anonymous No.3041042]

Alright, this is what we do.

Someone with a high quality printer will print out this entire thread. The same person opens up a paypal account. /lit/ donates money for
a. one envelope
b. a few stamps

And the printed thread is mailed to a Mr. Thomas Pinecone, c/o his lovely wife at
The Melanie Jackson Agency.
250 West 57th Street, Suite 1119,
New York, NY 10019

And we sign it. "You can't fool /lit/, Mr Pinecone"

[Anonymous No.3041047]

>>3041037
> the Pale Flamer is not-Pinecone

[Anonymous No.3041049]

>>3041026
We are Pynchon. We do not forget. We do not forgive.

[Anonymous No.3041124]

Do we know this guy is male? Building list of every popular author born between 69 and 79

[Anonymous No.3041188]

Ree Drummond Author 1969
Edwidge Danticat Author 1969
Sarah Vowell Author 1969
Bryant H. McGill Poet 1969
Mo Rocca Writer 1969
Wes Anderson Writer 1969
Michael Gerber Writer 1969
David Wain Writer 1969
Alain de Botton Writer 1969
Mark Millar Writer 1969
Dave Eggers Writer 1970
Garth Ennis Writer 1970
Jennifer Weiner Writer 1970
Michelle Malkin Writer 1970
Emily Giffin Author 1972
Tracy K. Smith Poet 1972
Cassandra Clare Author 1973
Simon Sinek Author 1973

[rangaha !KJKZ7n2h3I No.3041267]

bump for the truth to be revealed

[Anonymous No.3041288]

>>3041267
>>3041267

The truth!? You know the truth?!

[Anonymous No.3041305]

>>3041188
>Wes Anderson
>What actor stars in 7 out of Anderson's 8 movies?
>Bill Fucking Murray

[Anonymous No.3041330]

>>3039888
Oakley Hall had been dead for two years in 2010, his obituary was published in, among other places, in the Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2008/jun/18/culture.obituaries

How did nobody pick up on this? And is it significant?

[Anonymous No.3041334]

>>3041330
He's one of Pynchon's favorite authors, everyone knows this.

[Anonymous No.3041370]

Holy Shit, is this a thing now?
I made this post>>3039764
day before yesterday because seeing that blueberry thread reminded me of a post 2 years ago which linked blueberry threads to Pynchon. So I went to warosu and copypasta'd that post in the thread and went to sleep.

[Anonymous No.3041379]

This fucking thread. It's the 4chan equivalent of TCoL49

[Anonymous No.3041389]

>>3041330
Pynchon wrote a foreward to Oakley Hall's Warlock.

Everyone knows this. That's why it's funny that not-Pynchon would suggest we write a letter to him, signed, Oakley Hall. Everything in that "Dear Mr Pinecone..." letter is just too much.

[Anonymous No.3041394]

>>3041379
4chan is a work of fiction.

[Anonymous No.3041400]

> Pynchon showed up at an apple-picking fest in Northern California, calling himself Tom Pinecone

http://nymag.com/arts/books/features/48268/

Whoever this not-Pinecone guy is, he knows everything about Pinecone.

[Anonymous No.3041404]

"I cannot speak about this matter," says literary critic Harold Bloom. (There's a story that Bloom and his buddies at Cornell once inducted young Pynchon into their alternative fraternity, Yud-Yud-Yud, also known as Tri-Yud or Gefilte Phi.)

[Anonymous No.3041411]

>>3041015
>implying Marlowe isn't Pynchon

[Anonymous No.3041420]

>>3040717
>>3040706
Uh, did anyone notice this yet? The epitaph that NotBillMurray will quote for us is for Castlereagh, the man who unified Ireland and the UK, creating the "British vempire" on Ireland that NotBillMurray argued was critical to understanding Joyce. THE CONNECTIONS KEEP GOING

[Anonymous No.3041427]

Does any one else think that the rocket 00000 in Gravity's Rainbow is linked to Principia Discordia's concept of the Law of Fives?. Its pages are also in the form of 00001, 00002 etc.

[Anonymous No.3041437]

Imagine if Marlowe was really a much older entity with immeasurable knowledge, that has existed at various times as Shakespeare, Byron, Bloom, Max Brooks, DFW, Bill Murray, Pynchon, and Stephen King, brilliantly adapting new writing styles and morphing as a doppelganger into a new entity when the spirit moves it.

[Anonymous No.3041444]

>>3041437
blow me, fag

[Anonymous No.3041465]

>>3041437
>that feel when for a moment you believe in a supernatural writer being responsible for all the world's greatest thoughts

[Anonymous No.3041483]

It's about time an anime adaptatoin of a Pynchon novel was made.

[Anonymous No.3041486]

It's about time an anime adaptation of a Pynchon novel was made.

[Anonymous No.3041539]

If it's fun you're after, come to 4464 Manor Lane, Hamburg NY

[Anonymous No.3041545]

>>3041539
Is this what I think it is?

[Anonymous No.3041556]

>>3039755
Now I can't help thinking everyone on 4chan is Pinecone. There's a thread on /x/ about JFK's assassination where a guy is using dashes -- in his post...the math doesn't add up though, he says he was 8 when he first saw it.

[Anonymous No.3041566]

>>3041545

[Anonymous No.3041568]

>>3041556
Pynchon and Lee Harvey Oswald most probably were on the same bus to mexico at one point.

[Anonymous No.3041584]

Holy shit, this thread.

[Anonymous No.3041595]

Man, I'm pumped about this thread and I've never even read Pynchon, but suddenly I really really want to.

His thoughts on (and his exuberant love of) Joyce were really quite interesting.

[Anonymous No.3041604]

>>3041595
He has never referenced Joyce in any of his books. Where did you get that he loves Joyce?

[Anonymous No.3041607]

>>3041604
All Pinecone's insane waxing poetic regarding Joyce in two of the linked threads may have been something of a tip-off.

[Anonymous No.3041610]

>>3041607
You don't seriously think that's Pynchon, do you?
Are you tricking me right now?[

[Anonymous No.3041613]

>>3041610
Is it really that far-out an idea?

[Anonymous No.3041621]

>>3041610
I want to believe man.

[Anonymous No.3041622]

>>3041604
He mentions Joyce in Gravity's Rainbow, when Slothrop is in Zurich I think.

[Anonymous No.3041626]

>>3041613
Pynchon wouldn't hold such retarded views about Rabindranath Tagore.

[Anonymous No.3041628]

>>3041610
I'm inclined to agree with >>3041613.

TP is probably the only established author who would visit this shithole. Not-Bill has an encyclopedic memory, a catholic and distinctive sense of humor, a respect for the everyman (which you can see in a lot of his books), and a writing style that's pretty similar to Pynchon's. And then there's the whole CoL49 aspect of this thread and not-Bill's posts.

So not-Pynchon is either Pynchon, a younger author associated with P, or a more typical anon (albeit erudite and genius).

It's Pynchon.

[Anonymous No.3041633]

>>3041628
>TP is probably the only established author who would visit this shithole.

Just so. He is, after all, rather reclusive, or at the very least, shuns public appearances. His collection of eccentricities also seems to fit the profile of the average 4chan poster with an above average intelligence.

I think it's easy to put an author like him on a pedestal and say, 'Well, PYNCHON would never get on a website like 4chan, I mean, come on guys. It's Pynchon, why would someone as famous/intelligent/whatever as he is condescend to mingle in such a place?' when the fact of the matter is that Pynchon is just a guy like any other, whose personality and interests fit well with a board like /lit/, and who might enjoy spending a bit of his time on an anonymous image board.

Just because somebody is known doesn't mean they're above 4chan. Anonymity is the great equalizer.

[Anonymous No.3041641]

Here's a bunch of P.'s non fiction. Compare the writing styles of Pynchon with NotBill, they're somewhat similar, but I can't honestly say they feel like they're written by the same person.
http://www.pynchon.pomona.edu/uncollected/index.html

[Anonymous No.3041651]

>>3041641
I still see a lot of similarity. I'd say the differences arise from writing for different audiences under different time constraints, but then I want to believe Pinecone posts on /lit/.

Guess it's time to mail a letter and find out.

[Anonymous No.3041653]

>>3041651
Melanie Jackson probably gets a thousand letters addressed to Pynchon each month. I don't think a letter is the way to go.

[Anonymous No.3041657]

>>3041641
Pynchon reads the work of a lot of female writers

[Anonymous No.3041692]

Aww shit, I missed a huge Ruggles thread.

[Anonymous No.3041725]

fun thread

[Anonymous No.3041735]

>>3041725
This is the only /lit/ related thread, that's not a survey thread, I've seen reach the bump limit(almost).

[Anonymous No.3041743]

>>3040584
>Adolphe Menjou
Pynchon studied Engineering for awhile before switching like Menjou.

[Anonymous No.3041778]

I can't get over the fact that I don't think Pinecone would evaluate his own work in the same way as Joyce's/Shakespeare's.
It seems more like the work of a 3rd Party

[Anonymous No.3041799]

>>3041778
I don't see Notbillmurray comparing TRP to any of them.

[Anonymous No.3041810]

“Every weirdo in the world is on my wavelength.”

-Thomas Ruggles Pinecone

[Anonymous No.3041814]

>>3041778
Pynchon is also decidedly more unpretentious than the dude who posted here.

[Anonymous No.3041893]

Yesterday I tweeted to @martineve (which is his real twitter handle) this "Please finish this quote: History will ne'er survey / a nobler scene than this"

Martin Eve did not respond to me, now his tweets are private and he has personally blocked me. This fucker knows something.

[Anonymous No.3041919]

>>3041893
He might be a researcher for Pynchon. He had 3-4 people to look things up for him when he was writing M&D.

[Anonymous No.3041921]

>>3041893
He probably thinks you're a psycho.

[Anonymous No.3041922]

>>3041919
But a reaction like that to a quote that was only referenced in by notPynchon in one of these threads implies he is him, or he read it.

[Anonymous No.3041926]

Tyrone Slothrop is an anagram of "Sloth or Entropy"
Pynchon has written a piece for NYT titled Sloth a-and a short story called Entropy.

[Anonymous No.3041946]

Bump for Ruggles

[Anonymous No.3041980]

>>3041778
The only thing not-Bill Murray/not Pinecone is saying about Pynchon's work is that CoL 49 is a puzzle book and no one gets the answer.

Hasn't said shit about his other work, except some weird thing about Inherent Vice. He's not praising Pynchon's work.

[Anonymous No.3041987]

>>3041893
Martin fucking Eve. I knew there was something slimy about that bastard.

> Martin Eve receives compromising tweet
> picks up phone
> hello
> [garbled voice on the end of the line]
> yes, alright, I understand
> hangs up phone
> "So it begins," Martin Eve says quietly to himself.

[Anonymous No.3041994]

>>3041987
This is fucked up, guys. You think this thread is about Pynchon? This thread is way beyond Pynchon. HAHA, you poor saps. You don't want to know where this thread will lead...

Trust me, I'm your friend.

[Anonymous No.3042019]

wait wait wait. I think we're talking about two people rather than one.

[Anonymous No.3042021]

>>3041994
Are you Pynchon?

[Anonymous No.3042025]

>>3041994
Perhaps a "dear old friend"?

[Anonymous No.3042034]

>>3042019
Thomas (or as he likes to be called, not-Bill) Pynchon, aka JD Salinger [deceased]

or

Bill Shakespeare, aka (not-Bill) Christopher Marlowe [deceased]

[Anonymous No.3042046]

>>3042034
Not bad. Keep trying.

[Anonymous No.3042048]

>>3042034
But, wait, there's more!

In the earlier thread...our "dear old friend" not-Bill Murray said he is inclined towards the transmigration of the souls.

Now here me out. What if, and let us just speculate for a moment, what if Thomas Pynchon, using the alias of not-Bill Murray and Pinecone, was coming to /lit/ to tell us that he is not Pynchon because he is the transmigrated soul of Shakespeare, and therefore Shakespeare is not-Shakespeare, but Pynchon. What would that do to our heroic ideas of authorship and lone genius?

Perhaps we write him a letter, care of his lovely wife,Melanie Jackson, and ask him if that's what he meant...

[Anonymous No.3042050]

>>3042046
And may I ask, who is asking me to keep trying?

[Anonymous No.3042053]

Are we over the bump limit now? Is it 300 or 500 on /lit/?

[Anonymous No.3042059]

>>3042050
Refer yourself to Proverb for Paranoids 3.

[Anonymous No.3042066]

Proverbs for Paranoids, III: If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.

[Anonymous No.3042071]

>>3042053
Yup, it's over.

[Anonymous No.3042073]

>>3042053
>>3042071
Add the summary when you make the new thread.

[Anonymous No.3042074]

>>3042071

Should we start another thread?

[Anonymous No.3042090]

Wait . . . so does this mean that no one truly has a blueberrygirl fetish except me?

[Anonymous No.3042192]

>>3041926
but then we have two exceeding letters (an r and an o) what do they stand for

[Anonymous No.3042362]

>>3041465
God Emperor....

[Anonymous No.3042386]

>>3042048
While I believe that was a Sorrows of Satan joke, that is a possibility.

[Anonymous No.3042492]

>>3042090
I have one, Anon.

[Anonymous No.3042623]

>>3041633
>Just because somebody is known doesn't mean they're above 4chan

I'm not pinecone, but I am reasonably famous in my own country. Not important who I am - just saying that there are probably more people in the public eye here than you may imagine. Anonymity and the freedom to say terrible things that would destroy my career is a great attraction.

[rangaha !KJKZ7n2h3I No.3043414]

pinecone