/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.23494519]

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Previous Thread: >>23485177

[Anonymous No.23494525]

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

[Anonymous No.23494527]

Repeating my question:
I'm thinking of reading some less-talked about Wolfe, The Devil in the Forest and Free Live Free
Any thoughts?

[Anonymous No.23494593]

>that torture scene
Yyyeah, that's gonna stick with me.

[Anonymous No.23494597]

>>23494519
Read Radix. Howlie.

[Anonymous No.23494658]

recommend a fantasy series with a strong female mc that has to disguise herself in a skimpy outfit to sneak into the bad guy's lair.

[Anonymous No.23494665]

What are some SFF stories about BIG boobs? (that aren't Malazan)

[Anonymous No.23494668]

only 400 pages to go... surely The Shadow Rising will have more Rand chapters...

[Anonymous No.23494801]

>>23494668
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.23494812]

>>23494519
i haven't read for years i was thinking of getting back into literature by reading Brandon Sanderson as reddit advised what do you guys think?

[Anonymous No.23494817]

>>23494812
i got back into reading again recently and thought the expanse was easier to get into than stormlight

[Anonymous No.23494831]

>>23494812
Maybe you could be the one guy who actually reads The Frugal Wizard's Guide to Surviving Medieval England

[Anonymous No.23494841]

>>23494812
Try Belgariad instead.

[Anonymous No.23494858]

>>23494812
>>23494841
Or Dragonriders of Pern, that's something Sanderson says inspired him

[Anonymous No.23494868]

>>23494812
>>23494817
>>23494831
>>23494841
thanks idk about sf and the frugal wizard seems too silly for me but the belgariad one seems nice it's not too short not too long , finished and has nice score on goodreads maybe i'll try it

[Anonymous No.23494909]

>>23494868
Belgariad and Malloreon are 5 books a piece.
You can get trade paperback compilations from Barnes and Noble that condense the 5 books into 2, or all 10 into 4 books total. That may seem dense, but each book is only about 200 pages and they're very fast-paced with next to no filler, so they're very easy reads. The big problem with Belgariad is the horrific proper nouns, most of which are The Eye of Argon tier, or worse. The character and place names, with few exceptions, range from unpronounceable gibberish to rejects from Flash Gordon scripts.

[Anonymous No.23494918]

don't usually like stuff which tries to be funny but i read this and enjoyed it a lot. sequel was ok but didn't really capture the same vibe and went too hard with the references

[Anonymous No.23494988]

>>23494527
both great. Devil in the Forest has a cormac mcarthy-like character if interested in that

[Anonymous No.23494992]

>>23494988
>both great
I'm beginning to see a pattern with Wolfe

[Anonymous No.23495000]

>>23494992
He has never disappointed me. Check out Wolfe Archipelago too.

[Anonymous No.23495008]

>>23495000
>Death of the Island Doctor
>The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories
>The Death of Dr. Island
>The Doctor of Death Island
LMAO at these titles

[Anonymous No.23495014]

>Go to Indigo book store in leafland
>The bestsellers table is filled with nothing but manga's and not a single novel in sight
Is it the same story over the border in Barnes and Nobles?

[Anonymous No.23495046]

>>23495014
basically

[Anonymous No.23495049]

>>23495014
No, B&N's is still like 90% books. Manga section has grown a lot over the years, but it's mainly taken away from western comics / graphic novels, not fiction. My local B&N moved locations a couple years ago (just across the street) so they took the chance to redesign the store in the new building and the result was the manga section now occupies half of one side of the entire building, plus some tables in front of the shelves. Previously it was a motley collection of shelves near the middle of the store.

The fantasy and sci-fi section expanded also, though it definitely slants way more toward fantasy now than sci-fi, since GoT made fantasy overall popular again. I do try to patronize B&N when I can, but it's expensive anymore and they have a pretty limited selection of authors since they tend to only carry whatever is new or else enduringly popular.

[Anonymous No.23495097]

>>23495049
There's also the fact that there are countless SFF authors (as well as of course other genres) that are out of print and therefore unsuitable for stocking in the first place. There's not exactly a huge demand for a new edition of, say, Gordon R. Dickson's Dragon Knight series, or The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester. That forces you to use private sellers via amazon to get used copies or independently published print-on-demands.

[Anonymous No.23495128]

>>23495008
>The Lisland of doctor death was nominated for the Nebula award, and the award presenter at the ceremony, Isaac Asimov, incorrectly called him out as the winner. Once the applause and congratulations had died down, Asimov was corrected, and no award was given for best short story that year, much to his embarrassment, and probably Wolfe's as well. Apparently he recommended to Wolfe, and a little tongue in cheek, that he write THE DEATH OF DOCTOR ISLAND next, and he was sure to win because of the mishap. Of course Wolfe did just that, possibly thinking that Asimov wasn't serious and didn't think that it could really be done.
Wolfe likes to have fun

[Anonymous No.23495186]

The official Mom Protagonist SFF List.
I apologize for the lengthy (ie autistic) list. I may update it later.
>Caught in Crystal (1987) by Patricia Wrede
>The Interior Life (1990) by Katherine Blake
>Raven's Duology (2004-2005) by Patricia Briggs
>Wolfblade Trilogy (2004-2005) by Jennifer Fallon
>Bridge of D'Arnath (2004-2005) by Carol Berg
>The World Gates Trilogy (2004-2005) By Holly Lisle, Arhel trilogy and Minerva Wakes too
>Dragonsbane (1985) by Barbara Hambly
>Paladin of Souls and Vorkosigan saga by Lois McMaster Bujold
>Sunrunner Saga (1988-1993) by Melanie Rawn. Mommy Sioned best yandere girl
>The Empire Trilogy (1987-1992) by Janny Wurts
>Liveship Traders (1998-200) by Robin Hobb
>Birthgrave (1975-1978) by Tanith Lee
>Heart of Bronze (1997-1998) by Matthew Stover
>Karavans Trilogy (2006-2012) by Jennifer Roberson
>Skinwalkers (2014) by Wendy N. Wagner, ex-pirate Axe wielding mom!
>Frostfell (2006) by Mark Sehestedt
>Legacy of Steel (1998) by Mary H. Herbert
>The Traitor Spy Trilogy (2010-2012) by Trudi Canavan
>Sevenwaters Trilogy (1999-2001) by Juliet Marillier
>Blood songs (1987) by Robin Wayne Bailey
>Bloodsong Trilogy (1985-1986) by Asa Drake
>Gypsies (1988) by Robert Charles Wilson
>Child of Time (1991) by Robert Silverberg
>The Wayfarer Redemption (1995-1999) by Sara Douglass
>The Forgotten Beasts of Eld (1974) by Patricia A. McKillip
>The Keys to Paradise Trilogy (1987-1988) by Robert Vardeman, trio of mcs all of the same importance, veterans of the Trans-War that ravaged the country, one of them is a cat-girl who saves a slave kid and adopts him
>Bitter Angels (2009) by C.L Anderson
>The Great Wheel (1987) by Joyce Ballou Gregorian
>Daughter of the Bear King (1987) by Eleanor Arnason
>Night-Threads series by Ru Emerson, portal fantasy about a druggie mom, her sister and her teenage son.
>Frostflower adn Thorn (1980) Phyllis Ann Karr
>Fifth Millenium by S.M. Stirling, Shirley Meier, and Karen Wehrstein
>Spellsong Cycle (1997-2002) by L.E. Modesitt Jr
>The Sword of Lyric by Sharon Hinck, christian portal fantasy about a soccer mom and her son fighting against Not-Satan
>Cradle of Sea and Soill (2020) by Bernie Anes Paz
>Boneshaker (2009) Cherie Priest
>The Gap Cycle by Stephen Donaldson, absolute grimdark kino but like most of Donaldson's work it has a happy ending, the main characters just have to go through hell to get it.
>Dragon Gate by Lindsay Buroker, a six book epic about a Mother-son duo
>Memories of Ice (2001 Book 3 of Malazan Book of the Fallen) by Steven Erikson
>To Sail Beyond the Sunset (1987) by Robert Heinlein
>The War Eternal by Rob J Hayes
>Black Jewels by Anne Bishop
I'm open to any suggestions for SFF books with mom mc
And Kate Elliott's new Mom protagonist book the Keeper's Six.
BakkerWolfeVance is king etc.

[Anonymous No.23495229]

>>23495186
>Heart of Bronze (1997-1998) by Matthew Stover
Take this vile trash off the list, it is NOT Mommy-Core.

[Anonymous No.23495289]

>>23494519
Other than the Locked Tomb books and the Abhorsen series, what are some fantasy works with particularly novel takes on necromancy?

[Anonymous No.23495318]

>>23494812
>Brandon Sanderson
You will probably like him if you enjoyed Naruto.

[Anonymous No.23495329]

>>23495318
pre or post timeskip?

[Anonymous No.23495334]

>>23495329
Boruto tier.

[Anonymous No.23495335]

>>23495289
Necroscope

[Anonymous No.23495343]

>people unironically reading Sanderson after this
...

[Anonymous No.23495349]

>>23495343
filtered.

[Anonymous No.23495364]

>>23495343
I stopped on the second book once I realised the entire book is going to be about the worst character.

[Anonymous No.23495372]

>He read Sanderson past the 2nd prologue

[Anonymous No.23495396]

>>23495372
>>23495343
I simply can't get angry at normalfag literature. It's not for me, but it doesn't piss me off like midwit pseud authors, I'm just indifferent to it so I don't find any reason to discuss it at all, let alone spend valuable time hating it when there's so many other better things to hate.

[Anonymous No.23495399]

>>23495343
God, that book was garbage.

[Anonymous No.23495433]

Why does every single conversation ends up with this one book being recommended?

[Anonymous No.23495457]

>>23495433
Because it's part of /sffg/'s cannon unironically

[Anonymous No.23495484]

Can anyone recommend me some sci-fi or fiction with an important 'forbidden/impossible romance' (sub-)plot.

[Anonymous No.23495487]

>>23495433
It is the ultimate flytrap for edgelord internet pseudointellectuals. Nothing strokes the ego of a chinless foreveralone shut-in like Bakker, barring perhaps other misanthropic closeted homos like Nietzsche and Schopenhauer.

[Anonymous No.23495532]

>>23495433
It's just a very good series.

[Anonymous No.23495538]

>>23495484
Almost literally any story about King Arthur, ancient or modern; between Arthur fucking his sister, Lancelot (or Bedevere) fucking Arthur's wife, and Gawain fucking every female creature (not necessarily human - or alive) between the age of 12 and 12,000, there's lots of forbidden love there.

The adventure novels of H. Rider Haggard, such as King Solomon's Mines and She, invariably tend to feature a doomed romance between a white hero and a woman of the wrong skin color or magical ancestry.

The principal relationship in the Changespell series by Doranna Durgin I shill occasionally is that of a female horse (Dun Lady's Jess) transformed into a human woman by a spell gone awry has to face human feelings of love generated for the man that rode her as a courier (Carey).

Wayne Barlowe's "God's Demon" series (as yet unfinished) features a romance between Sargatanas, a fallen angel (read: demon) who becomes "un-fallen" through a redemptive act and the first Woman Lilith, who is not only the consort of Beelzebub, but due to being neither fully angel nor fully human is incapable of attaining that redemptive act, so is stuck in hell while Saragatanas ascends.

[Anonymous No.23495542]

>>23495343
It would not bother me so much if he were not touted as some modern fantasy guru with his own self titled literary law. Just goes to show how powerful the Mormon marketing mafia is.
>Webm related
Its the sandersoi's enjoying his latest sloppa.

[Anonymous No.23495581]

>>23495014
No light novels?

[Anonymous No.23495603]

I wish he would return. The memes were always top notch.

[Anonymous No.23495607]

>>23495335
Not him, but what’s so great about it?

>>23495364
What makes them the worst character?

[Anonymous No.23495620]

>>23495433
I was there, anon.

[Anonymous No.23495623]

/sffg/ when the bakker fell...

[Anonymous No.23495629]

The picture that made me read Bakker.

[Anonymous No.23495657]

Best thread in months.

Truth shines brothers!

[Anonymous No.23495680]

>>23495657
>>23495629
>>23495620
>>23495532
>>23495457
>>23495433
>>23494593
>>23494525
>Fucking bakkerfag

[Anonymous No.23495683]

>>23495680
All me btw.

[Anonymous No.23495703]

>>23495680
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.23495740]

Never read litrpg before, so i decided to go with this one since i was bored. Seems interesting so far. Does the guy fuck any monster girls?

[Anonymous No.23495741]

>>23495396
King is normie literature. Whatever the hell sanderson is another beast entierly of retardation.

[Anonymous No.23495769]

>>23495740
No, he does not.
It's not that kind of litrpg.
He doesn't even get a romantic interest at all

[Anonymous No.23495772]

>>23495741
It's just generic high/epic fantasy meant to be enjoyed by the 12-25 age bracket. It is the pinnacle of normie-core. It is scarcely any different or better than Harry Potter. The only difference between Sanderson and the other 10 million authors who write this sort of thing is that he got rich and famous out of it instead of being an obscure nobody selling his independently published print-on-demand books through amazon. Sanderson isn't offensively bad, it's just kitschy lowest-common-denominator schlock for women and children.

[Anonymous No.23495778]

>>23495769
Well thats a shame

[Anonymous No.23495789]

What the fuck happened to Bakker anyway.
I don't read unfinished series, but it's like he's dropped off the face of the Earth. I can't find any evidence he's working on finishing the series

[Anonymous No.23495805]

>>23495789
probably fucking and sucking

[Anonymous No.23495874]

>>23495805
What about feeding and sucking?

[Anonymous No.23495879]

>>23495484
You're just asking for books with incest

[Anonymous No.23495884]

>>23495874
books with tit sucking please

[Anonymous No.23495931]

Why are autists on Royal road better at writing fantasy than “real authors”

[Anonymous No.23495951]

>>23495931
They're not getting paid, therefore the subject is a labor of love rather than a product for profit.
Of course 90+% of royal road content is still hot garbage, but that's just the nature of things.

[Anonymous No.23496011]

>>23494519
There’s the Avatar Kyoshi books, but are there any other good books or series with cool forms of elemental magic? I’ve heard of the Codex Alera books, but what about ones that aren’t so well-known?

[Anonymous No.23496287]

>>23495740
How do you not find the super intelligent anthropomorphized cat annoying? Also why is the MC clinically retarded?

[Anonymous No.23496315]

Made me laugh like a retard back then.

[Anonymous No.23496330]

>>23495951
>90+% content is still hot garbage, but that's just the nature of things.
you just described the "real published authors" as well

[Anonymous No.23496484]

>>23494812
>Brandon Sanderson
is brandon sanderson really that bad /lit/?

[Anonymous No.23496495]

>>23496484
No. It's just typical /lit/ contrarianism. Don't get me wrong, he's nothing special, but he's nowhere near as bad as people here make him out to be.

[Anonymous No.23496842]

>>23496484
He's just vacuous. Probably north of competent but generally thoughtless and kind of plodding. You don't find much wrong AS you read it but later down you won't be very fulfilled wither. IF you just want to read for the sake of reading something you can do worse but you can do so much better.

[Anonymous No.23496915]

Why are romantasy covers always so good?

[Anonymous No.23496920]

>>23496915
Book covers with real models are always tacky.

[Anonymous No.23496957]

>>23496484
I tried to read the way of kings and it felt like isekai and shounen combined

[Anonymous No.23496958]

>>23496957
Way of Kings is a portal fantasy for 12 year old boys?

[Anonymous No.23497004]

>>23496287
I dont mind ridiculous characters in a ridiculous setting. As for the mc, so far he hasnt done anything retarded, but the guy has int stat of 3

[Anonymous No.23497025]

>>23496920
I don't even like it when a book with a movie adaptation gets a cover with t he actors on it

[Anonymous No.23497037]

>>23496915
I mean you have to give them full credit. They understand their audience (women) are judging the book by the cover. It tells you exactly the tone of the story and the person they are going to be self-inserting as. If only other books were that honest.

[Anonymous No.23497084]

>>23494525
Truth Shines!

[Anonymous No.23497164]

Are there any authors like Wolfe who try to blend scifi/fantasy with deeper themes?

[Anonymous No.23497209]

>>23497164
Yes. Your pic related.

[Anonymous No.23497245]

What's a good place to start with Xianxia novels for a newfag?

[Anonymous No.23497246]

>>23495343
Tbh the latest one is much worse. All the character development slog from Oathbringer goes to shit again.

[Anonymous No.23497250]

>>23497246
Joke's on you. I quit on book 3.

[Anonymous No.23497332]

>>23497245
Martial World

[Anonymous No.23497426]

>>23495629
Did sffg ever figure out who this whore is? I wonder if she still posts here. Or if this was just some kind of misguided paid advertisement by Bakker or one of his minions.

[Anonymous No.23497438]

>>23495538
>completely misunderstand the characters
>accuse others of being edgelords and pseuds based on your own edgelord and pseud impressions of the characters
This is why Bakker is king, he exposes retards like you.

[Anonymous No.23497605]

Are espionage/technothriller scifi? Thinking of getting into some Tom Clancy

[Anonymous No.23497705]

Looking for more science fiction reqs
I'm currently reading The Dispossessed, last book I read was Left Hand of Darkness
I have Roadside Picnic on deck and Neuromancer in the hole
I want to spend more time reading and less time trying to find something to read this year

[Anonymous No.23497732]

>Or if this was just some kind of misguided paid advertisement by Bakker or one of his minions.
Holy rent free.

[Anonymous No.23497813]

>>23497250
>He didn't quit at book 2
>>23497004
Ahh yes the fetal alcoholics defense.
>'I'm sorry officer i was just born stupid, b-but I'm not technically retard! Please let me keep my drivers license!'

[Anonymous No.23497844]

>>23497164

[Anonymous No.23497861]

Has anyone read K.J. Parker's fantasy novels? How are they?

[Anonymous No.23497883]

>>23497605
Target by Janet Morris reads sort of like a Michael Crichton techno-thriller, but not really as good, maybe one of his lesser works like Next or Rising Sun, or one of Crichton's imitators like Preston&Child.

Declare by Tim Powers is borderline scifi/fantasy (depends on your perspective) but it involves actual genuine espionage elements taken straight from real history and indubitably fits the label of techno-thriller. It's like if James Bond met Indiana Jones.

[Anonymous No.23497924]

>>23494519
need some insight.

I'm trying to decide whether to make the Elves in my IP have demonic ancestry or be more idyllic and a pure race of long-lived beings that live near God.

One path is veering into something else. The other is more familiar to the average fantasy enjoyer and is more Tolkiensque.

Are Elves in mythology moreso aligned with pagan gods? Am I elevating something that really was evil? Or denigrating something that really was good?

I don't want to make a mistake here and elevate something that could be related to demons or denigrate something that is really good.

[Anonymous No.23497932]

>>23497924
You can make elves Buddhist for all you want. Hell just make up a religion for them that worships big black cocks since that's clearly what you're into you unimaginative fuck

[Anonymous No.23497933]

>>23497924
Op here, maybe drop elves altogether.

[Anonymous No.23497936]

>>23495364
I stopped after the second book when I realized the rest of the series would be similar to an Avengers movie.

[Anonymous No.23497949]

>>23497933
but Elves are iconic.
There's going to be plenty of very completely new and unique races to go around since my playable world space will be gigantic.

[Anonymous No.23497965]

>>23497949
It's an old tired trope. If you have many other new and unique races then why waste time with an old trope

[Anonymous No.23497993]

>>23497965
I like them.
I guess I should just fashion them into what I want for my IP.

[Anonymous No.23498101]

>>23497924
There are numerous and varied cultural depictions of the fair folk. Since you seem to be coming from a Christian background for this, I'd recommend the following take, which is based on medieval interpretations:

"Elves" are the descendants of the nephilim, those fallen angels who mated with humans to produce "giants" before Noah's flood. These fallen angels are not necessarily equivocated precisely with true demons because they inhabited earth's physical plane instead of the Hell that is infinitely removed from God's presence, thus they exist in a sort of questionable moral limbo, not quite acceptable to God's grace, but neither wholly excluded from it. The "watchers" (Egregoroi) of Enoch are associated with this group, and you can get an idea of them from the 2014 Noah film.

At any rate, these "elves" are essentially just tall, attractive humans who may or may not be exceptionally long-lived or capable of transgressing supernatural boundaries that regular humans cannot consciously access (e.g. "magic" or the "Otherworld"), equivalent to the demigods of classical Greco-Roman mythology - or perhaps the wood nymphs and dryads and fauns. They are synonymous with what the Latins called "fata", the Normans called "fae" and what the Welsh called "Tylwth Teg" and the Irish "Tuatha de Danaan". Hence Arthurian "Fata Morgana", "Morgen y Tylwth Teg", "Morgan la Fee".
Conspicuously, the Celtic races of the British isles, particularly the Irish, who claimed blood descent from these "gods", once converted to Christianity believed that their ancestry left them in a terrible pickle: since Yahweh's covenant was with the Adamite humans, of which the Tuatha De were NOT, this meant that they must have had an entirely separate covenant from that of the Jews or any regular fully-human gentile who could become a Christian.

[Anonymous No.23498156]

>>23498101
whoa, that last part was incredibly interesting and weaves into how I'd make the Elves if I went a more Tolkien route, that they'd be separate from the Adamic line, a previous made people.

"Conspicuously, the Celtic races of the British isles, particularly the Irish, who claimed blood descent from these "gods", once converted to Christianity believed that their ancestry left them in a terrible pickle: since Yahweh's covenant was with the Adamite humans, of which the Tuatha De were NOT, this meant that they must have had an entirely separate covenant from that of the Jews or any regular fully-human gentile who could become a Christian."

[Anonymous No.23498248]

>>23498156
Remember of course that this is all post-Christian rationalization; there is exceedingly scanty evidence as to what the pre-Christian Celts actually believed, even less than the infamously elusive Germanic traditions, of which the Norse Eddas and the untrustworthy reports of Roman historians are the sole literary representatives. The Mabinogion, that great repository of Celtic myth, was not put to paper before 1100 AD, centuries after the British isles had been thoroughly Christianized, though it is probably a mostly reliable transmission of oral traditions.
The point being that elves, in the celto-germanic sense of the word, are largely identical to what Tolkien wrote. Although the Germanic tradition hardly made any distinction between "dwarf" and "elf"; the stereotype of them being short drunken scotsmen is a very recent invention.

[Anonymous No.23498262]

>>23497924

>>23495576
>>23495323

[Anonymous No.23498263]

>>23498248
It interests me that the Tuatha De Danan weren't considered Demonic by Christians, getting this other treatment, while faefolk in other parts of the world were.

[Anonymous No.23498279]

>>23498262
thank you

[Anonymous No.23498317]

>>23498263
It really depended on the background of the given culture and the attitude of the given missionaries, as well as the time period they're operating in. For example, a lot of the native tribes in North America had essentially monotheistic religious beliefs that would have been completely amenable to a Christian or Jewish interpretation and syncretization, but the problem is they were met by Enlightenment-era WASPs, which is even worse than being a black African encountering the British Empire. Contrast West African Vodun, which again is an essentially monotheistic religion that encountered next to no opposition from the Catholic French of San Domingue in the Caribbean, but which got stereotyped into Voodoo devil-worship in the 20th century by puritanical pop culture, and eventually BECAME authentic devil-worship once the Hollywood image displaced the original harmless superstition.

[Anonymous No.23498328]

>>23494812
everyone hates him here but i recently read the first one, The Final Empire, and it was extremely good lol. i was genuinely surprised by how good it was actually
he has some quirks but every author does. unlike other fandoms you don't need to pick a side and irrationally stan for it or w/e. pick one up and see what it does for you

[Anonymous No.23498331]

>>23497705
Read the whole Sprawl trilogy and after that the Bridge trilogy, also from Gibson.
Burning Chrome is also pretty good.
Sky Lords, War of the Sky Lords and The Fall of the Sky Lords is good fun, not that well known.

[Anonymous No.23498334]

>>23498263
Additionally, it helped that the Celts didn't really have the same conception of "gods" like regular polytheists did. They were not adamant in their polytheism, as far as they were concerned their magical ancestors were just really powerful immortal wizards, and it didn't really change their worldviews very much to learn "oh there's a being even more powerful than that who created the universe and them".
Also it wouldn't behove the church to say to a people that they're trying to court "oh your ancestors are demons, you aren't allowed to become Christian." But that's all in the past, modern Irish and Welsh and English don't care about that nonsense unless they're haploautists or schizos.

[Anonymous No.23498354]

>>23495186
>>Paladin of Souls
reading this one now after loving Curse, and it's ok. it's a very feminist book which i don't mind, but it's very inelegant in the way it communicates its ideas.
every time the narration touches on an unfair cultural norm regarding womanhood the protagonist essentially looks at the camera and gives the Jim Halpert face, just in case you didn't realize it was a Bad Thing
it is funny how a big theme throughout the book is "is a women ever too old to ride the cock carousal?" and I can guess what the answer is going to be

[Anonymous No.23498446]

what IS "science" fiction?

[Anonymous No.23498478]

>>23498446
Anybody who claims a meaningful distinction between "hard" and "soft" SF is a disingenuous faggot. "Science fiction" is really just fantasy for atheist technocrats. It fundamentally deals with things that are impossible and not real. There is no difference between
>"the wizard Gorbulon cast the disintegrate spell to wipe the demon lord Karaziah from this plane of existence"
and
>"Dr. Gorbulon projected the anti-matter beam to disassociate the alien tyrant Karaziah's molecules into 12th-dimensional Kata-space".

"Science" fiction is a story about a Diplodocus hatching, growing up, feeding on cycads and ginkgos, and avoiding Allosaurs until it can join a herd of Diplodocus and reproduce and lay eggs. All that is based on real things that happened because real science has made them known.
"Science fiction" is a story about cloning dinosaurs by extracting blood from mosquitos trapped in amber and replacing the damaged parts of the genome with frog DNA and turning it into a theme park.
"Science" fiction is Space Cowboys with Clint Eastwood and Tommy Lee Jones. It depicts a fictitious story about real things that can actually happen.
"Science fiction" is Interstellar by Christopher Nolan. It depicts a fictitious story about fantastic things that mathematicians have conjured up out of their deranged minds.

[Anonymous No.23498516]

>>23498446
The expectation of certain cliches (starships, ray guns, robots, etc)

[Anonymous No.23498536]

>>23498478
Space isn't real

[Anonymous No.23498545]

>>23498446
it's speculative fiction based partially or entirely on our current understanding of science
frequently it posits that a particular scientific challenge we find insurmountable now is overcome in the future and we get to see the impact this has had on our cultures and species
over time it's expanded to encompass essentially "works that are not true and also impossible in our current reality", and thus includes fantasy, alt history, and other subgenres that have little with science

[Anonymous No.23498619]

>>23498478
This guy gets it.

[Anonymous No.23498633]

>>23498619
Note that I don't imply that so-called "science fiction" is bad, just that at the end of the day it's still fantasy.
Author writes about a guy who robs a convenience store by pointing a gun at the cashier: that's fiction. That sort of thing may happen every day, but the specific characters aren't real.
Author writes about a guy robs a convenience store by waving some RFID scanner hidden on his person to steal the cashier's credit card information: that's science fiction. That's a plausible scenario utilizing recently developed technology to achieve a goal in an unorthodox fashion.
Author writes about a guy robs a convenience store by shooting a ray-beam at the cashier to transmogrify him into a sheep: that's fantasy. That's something that completely defies what is known about the real world in favor of something that might theoretically be possible in the event of as yet undeveloped and unlikely ever to be developed technology that is for all intents and purposes a magic spell.
All of these scenarios can be entertaining and well-written, or not.

[Anonymous No.23498649]

>>23495186
Ok but which of these are the horny ones?

[Anonymous No.23498662]

>>23495186

[Anonymous No.23498665]

>>23498662
The mom is really mean in that one

[Anonymous No.23498677]

>>23498662
>>23498665
QRD?

>>23498649
Heart of Bronze is horny if you like 9 year olds.

[Anonymous No.23498678]

>>23497164
>Are there any authors like Wolfe who try to blend scifi/fantasy with deeper themes?


"First of all, I don't write fantasy. I write stories that have important human themes. They have elements of romance, history, adventure, mystery and philosophy. Most fantasy is one-dimensional. It's either about magic or a world-building. I don't do either." - Terry Goodkind

[Anonymous No.23498679]

>>23498678
This guy is why I'm not an atheist or libertarian.

[Anonymous No.23498688]

>>23498678
He really was a terrible human being and the world is a better place with his death.

[Anonymous No.23498751]

Read Tenebroum

[Anonymous No.23498779]

>>23495097
If you're lucky enough to have a large used book store in town, you might also get lucky with some nice finds there too. I do have such a used book store, and a lot of the older stuff I have is from them. Anymore for online shopping for used books, I prefer ebay over Amazon.

[Anonymous No.23498790]

>>23498678
The gall of him to talk like and then shit out utterly trite garbage like Wizard's First Rule. I couldn't even finish it, it was so utterly cliched it was like being forced to relive all my adolescent attempts at writing original fiction.

[Anonymous No.23498821]

>>23498665
the author is a black lady. that should explain every single weird parental thing that goes on in that series lol

[Anonymous No.23498872]

>>23498790
If you thought the first book was trite and cliched, well, you haven't experienced true disgust and disbelief at the abominations of the written word that came next. The only thing larger than his ego was the piles of shit he went on to produce.

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.23498971]

>>23494519
Fire and Blood - George R.R. Martin (2018)

Fire and Blood is a history of House Targaryen from Aegon the Conqueror to Aegon III, roughly 0-136 AC, which covers the first seven of the seventeen Targaryen kings. I only found two of the kings to have lived admirable lives full of accomplishment. Aegon I for being the Conqueror and Jaehaerys I for being everything that a king ought to be. The latter is arguably the best ruler the Seven Kingdoms has ever had. He had his flaws, but everyone else had far many more that were much worse. The other five were enjoyable to read for what a mess they were. The Targaryens had already been in Westeros for a century before Aegon conquered, and that's briefly detailed. A Game of Thrones begins in 297 AC and with the lives of ten more kings to chronicle there could easily be a second volume of similar length. This is a fix-up novel that incorporates and expands on previously published stories, though most of it is new content. The latter half of the book forms the basis for the The House of the Dragon TV series. If I didn't know otherwise I would’ve thought it was all originally written at the same time.

This is a historical overview rather than a narrative driven novel. A notable feature of this style is that lives can be written about without any concern for their narrative importance because there aren’t any point of view characters. It doesn’t matter who dies, the world continues on without them, as does the story. As ought to be expected it's far more fast paced than the A Song of Ice and Fire novels that take place over a few years while this covers closer to a century and a half. There's a huge cast of characters that constantly changes. There's a lot of death, far more than in the main series, and many of the most powerful and influential characters die in sudden and unexpected ways. Much of it's because of conflict, though there's a lot of accidental deaths as well. Some accidental deaths include falling off a horse, slipping in the mud, climbing stairs, a burst appendix, and choking to death on bacon. Death doesn't discriminate, even for the Targaryens, who on the whole were far crazier and less competent than I expected. So many lives are nasty, brutish, and short. There’s so much gelding. Happy, joyous, and glorious times are depicted, but the focus is decidedly on misery, malice, and massacres.

I had been putting this off for a long time because I had doubts whether I'd enjoy it. I wouldn't want this to be the norm for a book series and I don't know if it could stand by itself, but I think it's an extraordinary supplement. Fans who are interested in expanding their view of House Targaryen’s history and its context within A Song of Ice and Fire will find exactly that. My frame of reference for Daenerys has entirely changed. I'd prefer that the main series be finished first, but I'd be happy to receive more in this style if it's more of this or nothing at all.

Rating: 5/5

[Anonymous No.23498977]

>>23498971
Other Thoughts
Considering how much Brandon Sanderson has done compared with how much he still wants to do he may eventually have to write something similar to this to get it all out. A brief history of many worlds and their people. This is somewhat similar to a campaign setting sourcebook, such as The Grand History of the Realms. I also greatly enjoyed that, so it may seem silly that I was so doubtful about this, but that's how feelings go. There are several other series that would benefit from a book like this.

[Anonymous No.23499066]

>>23498328
I liked Final Empire but found the Well of Ascension too Marvel for my taste. At least the intro chapter did and I dropped it pretty quickly. Haven't picked Sanderson up since

[Anonymous No.23499118]

[Anonymous No.23499137]

>>23499118
I would risk reading A Fate Inked in Blood and Map of the Otherlands, but I wouldn't have particularly high hopes. Who knows, I might be pleasantly surprised. The rest of those sound thoroughly terrible.

[Anonymous No.23499164]

>>23498977
>>23498971
why does every author have to show his entire universe? just write good stories and let the readers piece it all together later

[Anonymous No.23499173]

>>23499164
You need to attract the autist crowd who will religiously buy everything you put out just to update the fan wiki and show off to each other about how much they know about your universe. The only other crowd books can get now are trendhoppers - and when your book isn't the trend anymore, you won't be making any more money.

[Anonymous No.23499195]

>>23499164
They don't. The overwhelming majority have no use, need, or want to do so. It's not a categorical imperative.

[Anonymous No.23499216]

>>23499118
What a fucking garbage. All roastie authors and even few books not written by roasties feature roastie main characters. Into the trash it all goes.

[Anonymous No.23499229]

>>23499118
I know you're not supposed to judge books by their covers but why are all book covers so lame now?

[Anonymous No.23499233]

>>23499164
Because they want to be Tolkien. They look at the rich beloved world Tolkien made that's practically treated as a real history and they say "this is what fantasy authors do I need to do it for myself" and then world build without a world or a story.

[Anonymous No.23499238]

>>23499229
That's not true at all. You're supposed to judge by the cover. That's what they want you to take away from it. The marketing department decides entirely what the cover will be. The author has no input. The publisher very much wants you to judge by the cover.

[Anonymous No.23499242]

>>23499216
You do realise that the majority of book readers today are women? So of course they are the target audience for most books.

[Anonymous No.23499258]

>>23495229
Honestly i just put it there because i like stover but it's not his best work lol i might take it out
>>23498354
Bujold is usually a very smart author but you can tell she simplifies her prose when writing fantasy.
>"is a women ever too old to ride the cock carousal?"
I hope not!
>>23498821
now i'm left thinking if there are any good black moms/tutors in fantasy books. will investigate further.

[Anonymous No.23499280]

>>23499229
Sometimes I think about why book covers, and especially sff covers, are so lame in 2024. I think it's because:

• A strong convention was set in the 20th c. to hire talented illustrators for covers. There were some unbelievable illustrations and designs all through the 50s to late 90s.

• The bottom fell out of print publishing with the advent of the internet in the 2000s. Money got tight super fast. Readership is still going downward to this day, but is leveling off into the niche hobby we all know and love.

• A new convention was set at publishing houses from the top down, during these times of penury: "fuck it let's pay pennies for dogshit cover designs that any junior graphic designer can do in Illustrator or Photoshop in about 30 minutes." Meanwhile any designer or illustrator getting this treatment quickly learns to go where the money is (digital not print).

There are still some publishers who buck the trends and still do dank illustrated covers, and also there are big publishers who occasionally hire a rare and inspired designer who does a good job. But even then, a Chipp Kidd can never step up to a Frank Frazzetta or Stephen Fabian. etc.

[Anonymous No.23499318]

>>23499280
I remember picking up a lot of books because of them having a really cool and exciting cover. I often like to pick up older paperbacks precisely because of the covers. Now though, I dunno. It all just feels really dull. It's safe and boring. Nothing leaps out.

[Anonymous No.23499380]

>>23499318
>>23499280
>>23499229
I am newfag here. Why do you people care so much about covers? Literally who gives a shit about the cover, all it matters is if a book is good or not. Can you explain this?

[Anonymous No.23499384]

>>23498872
I'm happy not having to stain my mind with it. I still have my copy of Wizard's first rule because I find it hard to throw away even a terrible book but I don't want to donate it because I don't want want to have some innocent person reading it on my conscience. I guess I'm containing it in my home.

[Anonymous No.23499387]

>>23499280
Sanderson is one of those authors who is big enough he probably insists on illustrated covers for his books. They're more of the mid-late 90s style than classic fantasy though.

[Anonymous No.23499400]

>>23499380
Imagine you're in the book store looking for something new to read. You're browsing the shelves and you see no images that leap out and grab your attention. Just a wall of oversized text with maybe a simple logo or vague non distinct image that doesn't convey its story as much as any other story. It might seem like it's "not a big deal" now because you've got people who only ever read from pre defined recommendation lists but unless you were already intimately aware of the author in question you're not likely to give some boring nothing cover the time of dead let alone the effort of reading their whole book. Covers are how you make your first impression to your potential reader. Covers matter. Plus it's just nice to have a bit of artwork to go along with things.

[Anonymous No.23499410]

>>23499400
Isn't that what blurb on the back cover is for?

[Anonymous No.23499419]

>>23499410
People aren't going to look at the back cover if the front cover doesn't stand out. You're not going to be in the book flipping over an entire row of shelves reading an overly succinct synopsis or critic points. You want your reader to see your book before they even get near it. This applies to books, magazines, games, movies, comics, everything.

[Anonymous No.23499427]

>>23499380
I buy my books in print, I always have. That means when I finish reading it, it goes on a shelf in my house. It becomes a long-term fixture in my life. With enough rereading I become more sentimentally attached to the physical object of the book. Basically, if I'm going to keep something in my house for years I'd rather it not be ugly.

[Anonymous No.23499429]

>>23499419
I have actually trained myself to ignore covers now because they're so universally ugly anymore.

[Anonymous No.23499431]

You eat food twice. Once with your eyes, then your mouth.

[Anonymous No.23499438]

>>23499431
A stone floats because it looks down into darkness

[Anonymous No.23499493]

>>23499438
So retarded

[Anonymous No.23499536]

I moved and unboxed my Radix Tetrad books. Maybe I'll be fucked to post them in the future.
>8 or 9 or too many years of posting Radix
>less than five people read actual Radix
>nobody even bothers with anything else out of the tetrad, like the cool story about the guy who has to collect literal TONS of pig feces because it is the only fuel for an nth dimensional being from the end of time who provides MC with superpowers for plot reasons

[Anonymous No.23499539]

[Anonymous No.23499541]

I wonder what kinds of diets you guys have. I bet you all eat like shit.

[Anonymous No.23499545]

[Anonymous No.23499563]

>dungeon crawler carl uploader for kemono got his shit together
>personal total of 27 (!) new chapters I could read

[Anonymous No.23499567]

>>23499541
I often make stews and soups and rarely ever fry anything. I use very little fat/oils in my cooking. You are what you eat is absolutely true and I found that when I eat take out food for prolonged period of time my mood and general wellbeing change for the worse.

[Anonymous No.23499587]

>Arrive in a planar city where the waiters at restaurants are gods
>Rent a hotel room for 30 years
>Escort mission across a 4 billion kilometer continent that takes 20 years
This genre is goofy

[Anonymous No.23499590]

>>23499541
I have one significant meal a day usually around 3-4 PM predominantly consisting of meat and rice, potatoes, pasta, beans, or some other vegetable. The rest of the time I snack mildly on crackers, nuts, or dried fruit while drinking tea or juice. About once every month or two I'll splurge on some dessert item like a cake or pie or tub of ice cream. I'm 6' and weigh about 165 lb.

[Anonymous No.23499593]

>>23499536
I'd read it, write about it, and post it, as I've already multiple times, but you haven't bothered to do anything about it. Have you considered maybe you're just really bad at promoting your preferred book?

[Anonymous No.23499665]

Worm is so good I can't get over it. This is truly peak fiction, and its in web serial form.

[Anonymous No.23499716]

The other day, I asked what this series was like. I didn't get a response by anyone who actually read it. Only a couple of guesses from pessimistic anons who called it YA slop. And I have to say, those were good guesses. It's YA slop.

This is the first book I've read that actually lives up to all the YA stereotypes. The love triangles, and the generic "resistance", and drama based on poor communication between characters, and all that kind of stuff. It was an entirely unremarkable book. At times it almost reached good status. And at other times it was very cringe. But it was never so good or bad that I felt like dropping it. It was just serviceable enough that it filled time, so I stuck with it, just because I have nothing better to read.

I was a little confused in the beginning, because it seems like the main character and her brother than communicate telepathically. Except that's never addressed outside of the first chapter. Her brother's voice is often heard throughout the book. But it's not really explained if he's actually talking to her or if she's suffering some kind of delusion. So I'm seriously wondering if her brother is even real, or some kind of fight club type of deal, where her personality split, and she doesn't remember doing everything her brother did. But that can't be the case, because other characters remember her brother too. So I'm just very confused by this weird telepathy thing they introduced early on.

They do try to write a cohesive plot, where a lot of seemingly random events that happened early on, are explained near the end to make a whole picture. Which I actually appreciate. Because I'm kind of sick of stories written to be forever-mysteries. Though, they did leave a few things unanswered for sequel bait of course. Fair game.

I really hate it when characters have to posture about how emotional they are, by acting stupidly and ruining their own plans on impulse. They do some of that here. They also do that thing where a character doesn't understand the feelings of another character, just to force a misunderstanding between them. Like be fucking for real, anyone can read those signals. Stop the show. Just talk it out.

Would not recommend, unless you have absolutely nothing else to read like me, and just want to fill some time. Now I'm going to start the sequel for the same reason.

[Anonymous No.23499719]

>>23499716
Oh also, I never understood why the scholars kept getting raided. What was the point? You already own those people. You've owned them for hundreds of years. They're your subjects by this point. You're raiding your own subjects? Why?

[Anonymous No.23499731]

>>23499665
I tried and dropped it when i realized the MC is a mudshark, which was very early on thankfully

[Anonymous No.23499749]

>>23498478
Science fiction is about exploring the consequences of future technologies.

Science fantasy is fantasy set in the future

These often blend together

[Anonymous No.23499753]

>>23499567
>rarely ever eat fat
lol, lmao
he fell for the cholestromeme

[Anonymous No.23499761]

>>23499716
The narrator pronounces "catacomb" as "catacoom". It makes all the catacomb scenes sound ridiculous. But he's a good narrator otherwise.

[Anonymous No.23499786]

>>23499749
>future technologies
impossible fictive technologies you mean
science does not equal hypothesis and speculation, science is testing and experimentation and observation, and something which does not exist (yet, or at any time) is fundamentally not scientific, ergo it is by definition fantastic

[Anonymous No.23499796]

is Yev still around ? how you doin my guy

[Anonymous No.23499821]

>>23499786
There are so many technologies that we could make right now, if it was worth investing the money and resources into. Things where we already have the scientific understanding of how to make them, but simply have not done so. There are many technologies which already exist and are obscure for some reason but and will probably be ubiquitous in the future. There is nothing fantasistical about that.

[Anonymous No.23499822]

>>23499761
>The narrator pronounces "catacomb" as "catacoom". It makes all the catacomb scenes sound ridiculous.
Huh?

[Anonymous No.23499824]

>>23499786
>arguing semantics

[Anonymous No.23499825]

>>23499822
regional dialect

[Anonymous No.23499829]

>>23499796
Disappointing.

[Anonymous No.23499830]

>>23499824
This is the opposite of semantics. Semantics is the arbitrary separation of things, I am arguing for the rejoining of things, reducing denominators into a more simplistic and comprehensive unity, which is fantasy.

[Anonymous No.23499835]

>>23499830
I disgree. You really need 3 categories. Science fiction which has no magic. Science fantasy, which has science magic, and fantasy which has magic.

[Anonymous No.23499885]

>>23499822
It's an audiobook. The narrator of the audiobook pronounced comb like coom for some reason.

[Anonymous No.23499895]

>>23499829
why wut habben

[Anonymous No.23499903]

>>23499895
You.
The End.

[Anonymous No.23500073]

>>23494812
I'd say get back into reading by starting with short stories and short novels first. I got back into reading by readinb public domain Conan, Solomon Kane, and Lovecraft short stories and then reading a few Elric/Moorcock novels, which are usually 200 or so pages a piece.

[Anonymous No.23500081]

Yun Tianming is the biggest simp in the history of writing.

[Anonymous No.23500098]

>>23499821
Could you list about five techs that you believe fall into this category? I could use a good laugh
>>23499822
"catacoom" is British. the original Latin would have been catacumb anyway

[Anonymous No.23500210]

I was browsing random shit a few hours ago and learned about NASA's 2017 proposal to send a probe to alpha centauri in 2069. About half an hour ago I began reading Quarantine by Greg Egan, written in 1992 and it mentions a similar US mission planned for 2069. Who the fuck is Greg Egan? I'm losing my mind.

[Anonymous No.23500217]

>>23500210
Wikipedia tells me he's an Australian mathematician and hard sci-fi writer

[Anonymous No.23500229]

>>23500217
Yeah but he's too big brained to be australian.

[Anonymous No.23500235]

Did literally not a single thing wrong.

[Anonymous No.23500239]

>>23500229
newfaggotry at its worst

[Anonymous No.23500242]

>>23500239
I love Greg Egan bro.

[Anonymous No.23500247]

>>23500242
Places my hand on your sexy bottom.
Me too, bro

[Anonymous No.23500248]

>>23500247
My neural mod activates to suppress any homosexual tendencies as I loudly proclaim you a fag.

[Anonymous No.23500256]

About to read Schweitzer's Shattered Goddess for the first time. Hope it's as great as MotS

[Anonymous No.23500284]

NO-GOD WHEN

[Anonymous No.23500291]

The Light That Comes After

[Anonymous No.23500292]

>>23500284
No-God isn't real, Morty. Might as well rip that band-aid right off

[Anonymous No.23500295]

>>23500284
Do we need it? What more is there to explore?

[Anonymous No.23500319]

>>23499753
I just don't like fatty food

[Anonymous No.23500342]

Why should anyone read Malazan?

[Anonymous No.23500356]

>>23500342
Oof. Really letting xerself go here.

[Anonymous No.23500379]

>>23499716
>Only a couple of guesses from pessimistic anons who called it YA slop. And I have to say, those were good guesses. It's YA slop.
While there are people here who call anything published in the last 20 years slop, there's also people who actually read fantasy and are knowledgeable about the state of the genre. Unfortunately the state of the genre is such that the pessimists and the knowledgeable people wind up expressing similar opinions about a lot of recent titles.

[Anonymous No.23500390]

Brittany!

[Anonymous No.23500408]

>>23499536
Anon stop your jiggling and waddle on to another series. Your corpulent howlie frame can do bretter. Your mother won't keep supporting your muffin top rolls and calling you pudding forever you know.

[Anonymous No.23500413]

why are people excited that red rising is getting a tv show?

[Anonymous No.23500423]

>>23500413
No taste and short memories.

[Anonymous No.23500475]

>>23500379
I see what you mean.
btw. I'm starting to think that maybe I can write a book. I don't normally write. Not even as a hobby. But I do fancy myself a creative person. And on the rare occasions when I did write creatively for school, I always tested well there. With as low as the bar is for YA material, I think I can meet or exceed that bar.

[Anonymous No.23500506]

>>23500475
could you market it, though?

[Anonymous No.23500511]

>>23500506
No clue. I'll have to look into that.

[Anonymous No.23500551]

>>23500475
The more you exceed that bar the less successful you'll be.

[Anonymous No.23500706]

>>23500256
it's good and you'll like it if you liked MotS, but it's not as polished (as a novel length work).
he improved between it and Mask a decade+ later

[Anonymous No.23500724]

How does it compare so far to the first book?

[Anonymous No.23500749]

>>23500210
Sending probes to Alpha Centauri in 2069 has been what Nasa says when they want more government gibs for decades. Note that Nasa is basically defunct and it's purely a way to scam more taxpayer money that they spend on hiring more darkies to do nothing.

[Anonymous No.23500758]

>>23500749
meds

[Anonymous No.23500759]

>>23500749
Hol' up. /pol/ is leaking across boards again.

[Anonymous No.23500760]

>>23500758
Name one time in the last 10 years Nasa did anything (that didn't fail spectacularly).

[Anonymous No.23500797]

>>23500724
>chinese webnovel
its crap

[Anonymous No.23500809]

>>23500760
The James Webb Space Telescope, the Ingenuity Mars Helicopter, exoplanets found by TESS.

[Anonymous No.23500990]

Be honest with me, is res rising cringe?

[Anonymous No.23500997]

>>23500990
No. It's a good series but the first book is the weakest and doesn't really represent what the story becomes.

[Anonymous No.23501006]

>>23500997
I just feel like, sometimes, I'm reading deeper into the subtext than even the author did.

[Anonymous No.23501008]

>>23500990
decent enough, the follow up trilogy isnt as good as the first though

[Anonymous No.23501014]

>>23501008
Very bold opinion, would you mind elaborating?

[Anonymous No.23501017]

>>23500990
It's great. But it is cringe at times. It has a scene that is pretty much the "I studied the blade" meme.

[Anonymous No.23501034]

>>23501017
Some niggy on reddit pointed out that darrow quoting lorn 15 fucking times before the gala served as pretty good forshadowing. But yeah it doesnt save the
>while you were raw dogging my ex girlfriend, i was studying the blade

do you think the mustang arrow thing was a direct attempt to assuage the allegations? i was starting to feel bad for cassius at that point.

[Anonymous No.23501048]

>>23500990
Cringe is a personal reaction, not a quality of something.

[Anonymous No.23501060]

Reading Quarantine and I can't help but compare it to Blade runner 2049. The main character even has a neuro generated waifu popping up every now and then.

[Anonymous No.23501063]

>>23501060
is the protagonist literally me?

[Anonymous No.23501071]

>>23499280
Unless you have a lot of bargaining power like Sanderson and you can insist on certain covers. They all look pretty good excpet the Skyward books. It's a shame that those aesthetics are thrown in the garbage because of penny-pinching

[Anonymous No.23501072]

>>23501063
No but he's literally me.

[Anonymous No.23501074]

>>23501014
that anon is right Red Rising has been falling off bard, and Lightbringer is the worst of them all. spoiler review in pic rel

[Anonymous No.23501089]

>>23501074
Having just finished the book, half of these critiques are objectively false :(

How the hell is the bioweapon a deus ex machina? Is this reviewer retarded?

[Anonymous No.23501093]

Does Erikson ever expand on what the green jade hand is that they saw in Deadhouse Gates was?

[Anonymous No.23501121]

>>23501089
you are retarded , i couldn't count the amount of deus ex instances if I tried.
there are many other issues not mentioned here.
how did sevro escape from Apo's prison given that he had all those hight tech cells and he would have been extremely weak ? for that matter why would abomination ( fitting name for a useless character) even Sell off sevro to apollonius ? when his entire posse hates him with all their might.
There's randomly a whole other force of allies hiding out in outer rim for years never being mentioned ?
The plotlines being dropped are objectively true, Pierce handing politics with garbage melodramatic speeches that magically convince thousands with centuries long hatred, it's all trash.
character actions and interactions are completely off for every single one in this book.
Pierce himself said he did a 180 writing the book and threw away 400 pages and trust me, it shows.

the writing quality and the prose itself has taken a turn for much worse. he simply doesn't know how to write this series anymore.

[Anonymous No.23501131]

>>23501121
Why are you doing a whataboutism? How is the bioweapon a deus ex.

[Anonymous No.23501141]

>>23501048
Cringe is a state of being

[Anonymous No.23501147]

>>23501131
it's the introduction of the deus ex you numbskull
there were already a 1000 plot points already there was zero need for a magical DNA weapon which has the potential to rape everyone into atoms

[Anonymous No.23501156]

What was your first introduction to the deus ex machina, /sffg/? For me, it was The Stand.

[Anonymous No.23501158]

>>23501074
>CONFESS
It's just so peak

[Anonymous No.23501159]

>>23501074
Kek the guy really had a rant moment
I agree with some of these points, and I've seen much of the same opinion said here before when the book came out, Light bringer is pretty weak.

[Anonymous No.23501162]

>>23501158
>peak
it's corny as hell coz he's been bitching about being the lamest cuck in the world for 3 books and it doesn't fit

[Anonymous No.23501165]

>>23501156
Harry Potter phoenix

[Anonymous No.23501177]

>>23501147
>i wouldnt have written it like that, therefore its bad
many such reviews. utterly worthless.

[Anonymous No.23501183]

>>23501162
He see-saws between self flagulation and righteous duty. I seriously question if the people who say he spent the last 3 books bitching even read the fucking books. It's literally his character arc that he has to overcome the guilt and be a better man for his family and his people. Are you fucking retarded?

[Anonymous No.23501247]

>>23501074
>bioweapon
they talked about the origins of the bioweapon, tying it to some names who lived cotemporary with the 'Iron Golds' that conquered Earth
the ones that were called Golds because of their suits, not because their race. Colour system not implemented yet.
But the weapon is made to target specific, races, in the colour system..

Anyone else found that,, strange?

Obviously the timeline could be a bit fucked, cuz Golds have also been eating their own propaganda. Or the weapon could just be very versatile, like, you could program it with 'Jew', 'Arab' or 'Gold'.

[Anonymous No.23501251]

Any Lucius Shepard fans here? Just read R&R, banger of a novella

[Anonymous No.23501260]

>>23501158
What xianxia slopguzzling does to a nigger
>>23501247
you're thinking more about it than Pierce ever did desu

[Anonymous No.23501261]

>>23501074
While I agree with the criticism of dropped plot threads.
Like, why the fuck put an AI in the the head of the Red girl just to have it do nothing, and then be removed next book? lol

I'm willing to massively forgive and overlook stuff like that, because I still really really enjoyed the book and series. Had some ideas in the previous book, decided they were not interesting enough to pursue in the next, That's pretty blantant.
Just view it as the author realizing that the series is supposed to end, and having some struggles with tying it all up.

[Anonymous No.23501288]

>>23501156
if you'll allow "diabolus ex machina" instead, it was the end of the Northern Lights trilogy.

oh by the way you can never be together because you'll die if you don't stay in your own parallel worlds
ok then we'll keep a secret doorway open between worlds
uhhh well actually you can't because only one doorway can be open permanently and it has to be the one that allows people to escape from Limbo.
OK well we'll just open a door temporarily when we want to see each other.
Uhh no you can't do that either because every time you open a door it creates a soul-eating monster (while the monsters were introduced in book 2 it was never even remotely hinted that they were linked with the creation of the doors in any way)

[Anonymous No.23501295]

>>23494812
Mistborn trilogy is a solid entry level into fantasy literature

[Anonymous No.23501311]

>>23501288
UHHHHHHHHHHHHH it's called His Dark Materials

[Anonymous No.23501315]

>>23495433
I got filtered when it gets revealed that the warlord got sissy hypno-ed by the monk

[Anonymous No.23501341]

The "dropped" plots are obviously on purpose to make you think that.
Lyria still has the thing and Sevro got mindraped by the abomination and will be made to turn on Darrow. Screencap this.

[Anonymous No.23501403]

>>23501247
This is what happens when you speed read. It is explicitly stated that the bioweapon was developed alongside the color system.

[Anonymous No.23501422]

>>23501288
I always knew the knife was bad

[Anonymous No.23501467]

>>23499716
Guys, can anyone suggest me a decent fantasy novel set in arabian folklore/mythology? Pic related is my want-to-read list of books that looked somehow promising (at least by annotations). As I understand An Ember in the Ashes isn't really what I'm looking for too.

I've tried The City of Brass by Shannon Chakraborty and it was not bat at the beginning, but then it started to look more and more like a book written by woman for women where everything spins around the love story of the main heroine, so I dropped this book. Am I right or should I give The City of Brass a try?

I'm not against romances, I just don't like when world building and other stuff is being sacrificed for it. I just want a good adventure, basically an offspring of The Witcher and One Thousand and One Nights, is there any?

[Anonymous No.23501478]

>>23501288
Just curious, was the 3rd book as bad as it was portrayed in the tv show? I really liked the first two seasons and wasn't allowed to read the books as a kid because of Pullman's atheist reputation and then it dropped the fuck off

[Anonymous No.23501480]

>>23500342
>Erikson is practicing architecture through his books
This is a level of power that shouldn't be possible.

[Anonymous No.23501484]

>>23501478
in retrospect the third book was pretty bad, yeah

[Anonymous No.23501806]

>>23501467
That was my was my experience with City of Brass as well. There are a few series that somewhat are what you want, but they have mixed reputations. Anything I'd suggest would be more science fiction oriented than fantasy.

[Anonymous No.23501867]

>>23501467
>female author

[Anonymous No.23501872]

>>23501467
>As I understand An Ember in the Ashes isn't really what I'm looking for too.
>a book written by woman for women where everything spins around the love story of the main heroine
That's what happens in An Ember in the Ashes. The book has too main protagonists, a man and a woman. The two main characters have romantic tension between each other. But then they also have romantic tension between them an another. So there's actually two love triangles here. Whenever any of the love interests are near each other(which happens often), the writer starts writing about body warmth and body scents, and getting all emotional. Definitely written for women.

[Anonymous No.23501990]

>>23501467
Vathek

[Anonymous No.23502083]

For some reason my library has most of the Malazan series, in hardcover 1st editions no less, and even the sidestory and Esselmont books. But for some reason has no copies of books 2, 3 and 7. I had to buy those myself to keep reading and decided to donate them today, now they have a complete set. There's 6 holds on the ebook for Deadhouse Gates so there's definitely people trying to get into the series.

starting Return of the Crimson Guard today before TTH

>23501093
yeah they become relevant eventually

[Anonymous No.23502104]

[Anonymous No.23502130]

>>23499118
I read what appears to be the only male author + male pov book here, The Tainted Cup.
I liked it well enough to read the 2nd book.

there's a 3 sentence reveal of the mc being a fruitcake

[Anonymous No.23502150]

>>23502130
You didn't realize that until the end? There's a ton of saying he is starting from early on.

[Anonymous No.23502152]

>>23502130
It wasn't getting on that list otherwise.

[Anonymous No.23502153]

>>23502104
what's the book version of KINO

[Anonymous No.23502158]

>>23502152
>oh btw the guy's autistic or queer something idk
>LGTBQTISDOFAS0210 BOOK OF THE YEAR

[Anonymous No.23502163]

estimate Sanderson's current weight

[Anonymous No.23502171]

>>23502163
slightly less than his bank balance.

[Anonymous No.23502172]

>>23502163
I'd guess a solid 200.

[Anonymous No.23502177]

>>23502150
>a ton
no, there's not. there's one line during the pheromone genetically engineered whore thing

unless gay male "coded language" exists or something, then I admit I missed it

[Anonymous No.23502185]

>>23502163
In which world's measurement of Investiture?

[Anonymous No.23502187]

>>23502177
The first one is where he doesn't have any interest in breasts, then how his mentor teases him about it but he's oblivious, then how he talks about his "roommate", and various other small things.

[Anonymous No.23502194]

>>23498619
Sleep well Fang yuan, dream of profit.

[Anonymous No.23502200]

>>23502163
30 stone

[Anonymous No.23502290]

>>23502163
150kg

[Anonymous No.23502299]

>>23502187
I swear he could have just been an autist up until the "reveal", but I kneel to your gaydar.
regardless, I hope the author doesn't do anything retarded for the next book like an additional pov

[Anonymous No.23502304]

I'd rather the protagonist be a woman than a homosexual, gross

[Anonymous No.23502315]

>>23502304
trannies have ruined that too

[Anonymous No.23502366]

finally bought chronicles of the black company. what am i in for?

[Anonymous No.23502460]

Reading Way of Kings during a thunderstorm was peak immersion

[Anonymous No.23502472]

>>23502366
All I remember about the first book is nothing happens (except for one or two scenes) and there's no descriptions of anything. Just people playing cards for a novel.

[Anonymous No.23502487]

>>23502460
>storm throws neighbor's trampoline across my yard onto the other side's fence a few months back
we living in the everstorm

[Anonymous No.23502501]

The everstorm is basically a super derecho. If aren't familiar with that weather phenomenon then look it up.

[Anonymous No.23502517]

>>23494525
>>23494527
I haven't used /lit/ much in the past year (much to my shame) but you people are stuck in a time loop.

[Anonymous No.23502539]

>>23502517
>I haven't used /lit/ much in the past year
Why?

[Anonymous No.23502540]

>>23502517
There's nothing else to talk discuss because the industry is dying and no new good writers have emerged since the 00s

[Anonymous No.23502547]

>>23502517
it's one covid-brand ritualposting newfag who behaves this way because its the only method he knows of to interact with others on 4chan
many such cases

[Anonymous No.23502552]

>>23502472
chronicles of the black company incorporates the first three books, did you read the other books

[Anonymous No.23502567]

It isn't as good as LOTM.

[Anonymous No.23502630]

>>23502487
https://youtu.be/a_VTvQLAfaE?si=qW203yFFqKh50N5p

[Anonymous No.23502629]

I don't regret reading webnovels but its gotta be the most annoying medium to actually read as intended (at release pace)
Every time I go back to one I have to spend 10 minutes working out what chapter I got to
>>23501467
Tales from the Flat Earth, if you're gonna read an Arabian Nights riff that's the one to go for
Howard Andrew Jones from that pic is alright, he basically writes Dumas style adventure novels and they're always fun.
Also Fire Sacraments by Redick is pretty good, that's got some interesting world building going on so it's not just arabic fantasy but it does still fall well within that genre.
Second book is about a caravan journey which is something underused in fantasy imo
(If you want non-fiction read Life Along the Silk Road, that's a historical work but it's presented narratively as a series of stories)

[Anonymous No.23502652]

The Brothers' War absolutely shits on the new MtG fiction which says a lot because even the old MtG fiction is pretty crappy

[Anonymous No.23502687]

>>23502163
Well bellow George Double R

[Anonymous No.23502698]

Anyone else pick up this?

[Anonymous No.23502720]

>>23500342
had does someone speedrun falling off so efficiently?

[Anonymous No.23502729]

>>23502720
You want to try that again in English?

[Anonymous No.23502732]

>>23500342
he should have really slimmed down a bit before coming back lol

[Anonymous No.23502734]

>>23502729
No. I'm lucky I can do the captcha in my cups

[Anonymous No.23502766]

>>23498649
Heinlein is peak horny, the book literally ends with an Incestuous wedding
Melanie Rawn (my wife) Sara Douglass, Asa Drake, Jennifer Roberson and Tanith Lee are pretty horny
Fifth Milleniumis has some horny parts

[Anonymous No.23502776]

>>23502629
>but its gotta be the most annoying medium to actually read as intended (at release pace)
you could just not do that

[Anonymous No.23502837]

>>23502567
I want to read it but I also want to wait until its finished but who knows when that will be

[Anonymous No.23502852]

i DO NOT want to read WEB """""""novel"""""" SLOP

[Anonymous No.23502875]

>>23502852
Than don't.

[Anonymous No.23502896]

>than

[Anonymous No.23503052]

black company bros, what the fuck do reverse centaurs look like

[Anonymous No.23503056]

>>23503052
niggas with horse heads

[Anonymous No.23503191]

>>23494658
The Amber Enchantress
>>23495008
Death of Dr Island fucked me up
>>23495433
Because the Darkness That Comes Before lies at the end of all roads of inquiry

[Anonymous No.23503253]

>>23502766
Cheers bruv.

[Anonymous No.23503409]

>>23502547
You sound resentful.

[Anonymous No.23503746]

>>23502517
>repeat one question from the end of a previous thread
>LOL TIMELOOP
I don't understand

[Anonymous No.23503753]

Raymond E. Feist
Y/N

[Anonymous No.23503784]

I think you're all homosexual.

[Anonymous No.23504006]

>>23503784
If by "all" you mean the lone Bakker spammer? Then yes he enjoys the scent of the unwashed male anus.

[Anonymous No.23504021]

>>23504019
>>23504019
>>23504019
New!

[Anonymous No.23504269]

>>23504006
>lone