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>Dalinar
>I'm going maaaad I'm going maaaad the visions the visions! Honor! Gotta read the book read the book!
>Shallan
>I need to steal the soulcaster! But I wanna read my books! Arg the conflict in my heart!
>Kaladin
>I need to save them all! Why do they all die! I'm so depressed!
1200 pages of this

>> No.23388112

>>23388109
You're the cuck who read it mate, I have no idea what you're talking about.

>> No.23388115

Kaladin story is fuckin kino, go read Bakker if you want something "serious" and "profunda", leave Sando alone.

>> No.23388121

>>23388109
stop spamming this ya trash

>> No.23388133

>>23388115
there is nothing kino about reading the same chapter over and over and over again. Kaladin cries in despair over people he has "failed" in the past, has a moment of courage and comes up with some new plan, then someone dies like ONE fucking bridgeman dies on a run and he starts crying again. Rinse and repeat. He is such a whiny bitch it's intolerable.

>> No.23388328

>>23388109
How long does this take to get good? I abandoned it after 40ish pages, because it was boring as hell

>> No.23388481

>>23388112
This. Also ofc the MC is paladin with a k

>> No.23388772

>>23388328
Every book in the trilogy is 900 pages of trash, a pretty kino 50 page action climax and then a durdly ending that promises character development that never materializes in the next book.

>> No.23388800

>>23388133
Try Red Rising next it never gets any love here but it mogs pretty hard

>> No.23388810

>>23388800
I have read Red Rising, Golden Sun, and Morning Star, and Iron Gold. Started Dark Age but I'm starting to get bored

>> No.23388836

>men aren't allowed to read because it's a women's skill
what was Sandersoon going for here?

>> No.23388855

>>23388836
It's pretty retarded. Any man who bothered to learn to read and write would have a significant advantage over other men, but MUH CULTURAL TABOOS prevent it I guess

>> No.23388894

>>23388855
Why didn't women learn to fight and other men-exclusive jobs some centuries ago? It would've given them a great advantage over women who couldn't, yet emancipation came only in recent years.
Certain cultures make it impossible to just go out and do things you're not supposed nor expected to, it's not the most retarded thing in the book imo.
Also, it's been 2 years since I read stormlight, but iirc men of the clergy (can't remember their name) were allowed to read and write

>> No.23388922

>>23388894
>Why didn't women learn to fight and other men-exclusive jobs some centuries ago? It would've given them a great advantage over women who couldn't
They did, the Heralds themselves were half male and half female, and the Knights Radiant had female members.

>men of the clergy (can't remember their name) were allowed to read and write
Yes, the ardents. It's still fucking stupid though, there is no reason for someone like Dalinar to not read and write and instead have to rely on trusted individuals to dictate to him and write his messages and hope that person isn't lying to him

>> No.23388943

This book really could have been trimmed down to 600-800 pages

>> No.23388944

>>23388772
Uggggghhh, I'm really looking for a good series to read here to rival ASOIAF. I tried reading The Name of The Wind, also, and the writing style just doesn't grab me. I'm currently reading Moby Dick for the 1st time, and it's excellent.

>> No.23388950

>>23388944
The Name of the Wind is good though?

>> No.23388968

>>23388944
Moby Dick is the only thing that managed to scratch that itch for me but I also want Martin's particular kind of dark fantasy.
Why can't anyone write as well as that fat fuck?

>> No.23389019

>>23388944
Black Company
Malazan
Elric stories

>> No.23389056

>1800s-1970s
>jules verne
>lord dunsany
>cl moore
>edgar rice burroughs
>robert e howard
>fritz leiber
>jack vance
>alfred bester
>michael moorcock

>70s-90s
>le guin
>gene wolf
>william gibson
>orson scott card
>glen cook
>robin hobb

>00s+
>guy gavriel kay
>rs bakker
>joe abercrombie
>ml wang
>nnedi okorafor
>emma newman
>pierce brown

if you read maybe 200 pages from each of these authors you're mostly caught up on the genre. i would say avoid if you can stuff that is long for the sake of selling more books and building a big world, but it's very hard to avoid.

never read a book to its end if you're bored, skip through, and stick to things around 200-300 pages. there is nothing you can say in 800pages+ you could not have said in 300, brevity is the sign of a good writer. the short story is king ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE A ZOOMER READING THIS DONT GET BAITED BY SOMETHING LIKE MALAZAAN

>> No.23389066

>>23388112
lol

>> No.23389113

>>23389056
Not sure why'd you leave Tolkien off this list considering his influence

>> No.23389124

>>23389056
Sci-fi =/= fantasy

>> No.23389177

>>23389056
>avoid malzan if you read like a zoomer
Actually very good point. Remove it from my list and just read black company, its the adhd-approver form of malazan

>> No.23389184

>>23389113
tolkien is fun sure but his influence is what im arguing against, because he started the trend of the grand trilogy, and fantasy then became these giant sprawling neverending series. i like wheel of time too, but im old, no zoomer or new reader should read wheel of time because in that same time period they could've read a little bit of 20 different authors and developed better taste. you only have so much time to read, these authors tolkien, jordan and yes sanderson are for a pre-internet age when it's raining outside and you have nothing better to do. you don't tell math undergrads to read the principia, they would never get to where you need them fast enough because you are cramming 500 years of math theory into 3-4 years.
>>23389124
i think it's similar enough to count, female authors write fantasy SF or SF fantasy (they add horror, romance, mystery), and are important to read for completion, because they will feature prominently in this genre moving forward. and when it' s 2050 and you're also 50 are you just not going to read anything written during your lifetime? cos a lot of it will be hybrid and female coded.

>> No.23389201

>>23389184
I really don't think "this is long so you probably should read something else" it's a great message to send to people. If it is long AND not that great, yeah that makes sense, but don't encourage people to avoid long epic fantasy just because of the length itself.

Life is long, there is plenty of time to read the vast majority of what you want to read.

I'd also argue that you can pretty much avoid the vast majority of everything up to that 1970's list with some notable exceptions. The writing is not that great and all you're really doing is going "ooooh so this is the foundation more modern writing was built on".

>> No.23389278

>>23388950
Lol, I don't know. Some anon here in /lit mentioned it, so I thought I'd try it out.
I'll probably give it another chance.

>> No.23389418

>>23389201
i will counter with an example, spoilers if you have not read triplanetary by ee smith. written in 1934.


in triplanetary, two alien races which have different colonial strategies of the galaxy and are essentially immortal meet each other psychically in deep space. one is like the borg, a group consciousness that assimilates and destroys all life, their only opposition so far has been in-fighting between high ranking council members, individual members of this race reincarnate when they die and they hold the collective memories of their entire lives. the race they encounter are humanoids, with equal mental ability, who immediately erase the encounter from the collective minds of their enemy and make a billion-year plan on how to combat them, deciding on using the opposite strategy. they will nourish and help grow young alien species, guiding them towards overcoming obstacles until they are sufficiently capable of overcoming the assimilators. the story then jumps in ww1, ww2 (predicts), ww3 (predicts), then timeskips to a future in which earth mars and jupiter's moons are colonized, after great planetary wars the triplanetary organization is set up to keep the peace, and later still our adventure begins as a cruise ship in space is ambushed by pirates who gas the crew, but one man, a deep undercover triplanetary agent manages to avoid the gas but he is now in a race against time, because in a few hours everyone on board will die...

the night land by william hope hodgson written in 1912 is another:

giant mile wide black crystal pyramid cities protected by em fields, biological mutants and nightmarish demonic supernatural aliens, colossal unstoppable giant titans slowly moving across the planet engulfing everything creating null zones of unstable space, isolated human populations run by a technocult, a psychic long-distance romance, eternal recurrence, dragoon warriors doing highwind

robert e howard is the most cited example. the conan short stories hold up and still feel fresh. the guy is a killing machine in a meat grinder reflecting ancient wizard magic with a stolen cursed jewel and cumming inside virgin princesses kept as slaves in abandoned catacombs under crumbling towers while ambushed by a monstrous gorilla hybrid who tears into his flesh with bare hands. the pulp writers had to keep the readers interest and there was a lot of competition for space in newspapers and magazines in those days so stories had to be fast, exciting, end on cliffhangers etc. they were basically short form text content, hence a revival in interest and it meshing (imo) with a modern generation's aesthetic inclinations.

>> No.23389439

>>23388109
>1200 pages of this
That does seem like a lot. I feel like a lot of modern, not just literature but media in general really, suffers from bloat. Even Lord of the Rings in it's entirety is only some collective 1200.

>> No.23389474

>>23388481
Next you're going to tell me that Wit is witty.

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23389717

>>23389056
>>23389184
awful posts
>muh LOTR is long
it's short. It's 481,103 words

>> No.23389724

>>23389717
>>23389056
lmao at this loser recomming black company which is the same length of LOTR

>> No.23389733

>>23389717
>>23389724
>read maybe 200 pages from each of these authors

kill yourself retard, maybe the reason you read long books is because you need repetition to drill something into your dull superficiality. since you struggle to retain a single paragraph.

>> No.23389743

>>23389733
>doubling down on your stupidity
LOTR isn't long retard. you just assumed it was
>read 200 pages
so don't even finish reading a single one of these books. dumbass

>> No.23389750

>>23389743
i read lotr before you were born and it's garbage. grow up and read more than one book.

the point of lotr is to introduce children into reading the classics, like the poetic eddas, beowful, the grail cycle, dante, the aenid, ovid, shakespeare, the iiliad etc.

you're not supposed to stop at lotr. fucking midwit disgusting oozing snail i put you in a circle of salt and let the sun dry you to the empty husk your soul is.

>> No.23389755

>>23389750
>goes off an unrelated tangent
Anon got caught

>> No.23389765

>>23389750
If you're going to sperg out like a drooling retard, do so in a corner somewhere else please.

>> No.23389770

>>23389056
>this nigga thinks 800 pages is long

>> No.23389780

>>23389743
>>23389755
>>23389765
>>23389770

>tolkien is fun sure but his influence is what im arguing against, because he started the trend of the grand trilogy, and fantasy then became these giant sprawling neverending series.

because of the financial success of lotr a lot of popular fiction in the 1970s+ became dominated by the multi-novel story format. it took until the 60s for lotr to become popular, but by the 1970s the seachange game in. later on authors like grisham and king would also benefit from this, writing long paperbacks and inspiring the current era of fiction we have been in for the better part of 60 years which is giant bloated texts.

i feel like reading comprehension is not your strength samefag, stick to one sentence lololimjustrollinghaha replies, you've certainty mastered being an irrelevance.

>> No.23389787

>>23389780
>tldr
>reading hard...
okay champ, stick to your audiobooks

>> No.23389794

>>23389780
>LOTR inspired long sprawling fantasy
your argument is retarded because LOTR isn't even long

>> No.23389812

>>23389794
it was long for its time and compared to the hobbit :^)


tolkien tried to get it published as one book and the publishers couldn't get the technology to work (hardcover with thinest possible pages, it would've looked like a bible) so they reworked it as three separate novels, the british public didn't understand this so it stayed unpopular for a decade until americans picked it up, pirated it, and then it sold like crazy. that books have only gotten longer is exactly the point i am making, and you are reinforcing. so no, my argument is not retarded - except in the sense i would like to turn back this trend of bloated garbage fiction which is repetitive, monotonous and just like our interaction has been - completely superfluous.

>> No.23389829

>>23389812
>Tolkien invented trilogies
wew

>> No.23389981

>>23389056
>there is nothing you can say in 800pages+ you could not have said in 300, brevity is the sign of a good writer. the short story is king ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE A ZOOMER READING THIS DONT GET BAITED BY SOMETHING LIKE MALAZAAN
*There is nothing you can say with 10 PoVs that you could not have said with 1
Long fiction is great if the main character is your nigger and you enjoy the ride. Deuteragonists are fine too. But please stop pretending you need to flesh out your universe by putting me in the shoes of some random supporting character. I do not care. I do not care. I do not care. It's bloat and nobody fucking asked for it