/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.23220688]

Comfy edition.

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[Anonymous No.23220705]

First for Raymond E feist is a hack

[Anonymous No.23220730]

What's the closest book to RimWorld?

[Anonymous No.23220747]

Read Beyond Apollo

[Anonymous No.23220759]

Rec me kino that has pic related vibes.

[Anonymous No.23220794]

Ajokli is Gilgaöl

[Anonymous No.23220803]

>>23220759
no books but, Tetsuo iron man Japanese movie ; Akira anime

[Anonymous No.23220850]

Shidd and Fardspren

[Anonymous No.23220880]

Bakker Is KING.

[Anonymous No.23220928]

>>23220880
king of nothing

[Anonymous No.23220931]

any other fantasy series where the female mc is dressed in a similar attire?

[Anonymous No.23220936]

>>23220931
as pic rel

[Anonymous No.23220960]

>>23220936
error: NO ASS DETECTED

[Anonymous No.23221002]

>>23220960
nah that's an elite ass for a white girl, dawg

[Anonymous No.23221028]

>>23220960
Begone, niggorc!

[Anonymous No.23221038]

>>23220519
The Deep. It's one small book and has much more to say in 200 pages than 5 tomes

[Anonymous No.23221053]

I wish I could stop the feeling like I'm "missing" out on something else when I read

I love being pulled into a world but it makes me feel drained when im done reading for the night

[Anonymous No.23221064]

>>23221053
sorry don't know what to tell you

[Anonymous No.23221095]

>>23221038
>The Deep
>Towers high in the sky
Okay, kid

[Anonymous No.23221104]

>>23221064
Retard

[Anonymous No.23221134]

this book reminded me of The King of Elfland's Daughter except good

[Anonymous No.23221207]

If anyone wrote something and needs an editor to punch it up before publication, let me know

[Anonymous No.23221214]

>except good
Lost ne there, anon. Elfland's Daughter is a masterpiece. I do agree that PAMcK is a decent writer though. Kind of like the YA Dunsany.

[Anonymous No.23221247]

Were can I find similar books to Tad Williams Otherland series?

[Anonymous No.23221252]

I like big books that allow you to get lost in them, I like fanatasy

[Anonymous No.23221258]

>>23221252
A book so large you could get lost in it would be an extremely large book

[Anonymous No.23221261]

>>23221258

[Anonymous No.23221268]

>>23221258
I mean in a big series like WoT or something.

[Anonymous No.23221272]

>>23221268
how about a better book series to get lost in

[Anonymous No.23221274]

>>23221272
Sure thing, what do you recommend?

[Anonymous No.23221292]

>>23221274
Eragon.

[Anonymous No.23221298]

I need fantasy to self insert into and feel good.

[Anonymous No.23221324]

>>23220705
>Raymond E feist is a hack

Why don't you like comfy fantasy anon?

[Anonymous No.23221327]

>>23221324
>Riftwar
thanks, but I have a life to live

[Anonymous No.23221328]

>>23221324
can't tell if ai

[Anonymous No.23221333]

>>23221324
>Feist has acknowledged that the Tekumel setting from M.A.R. Barker's Empire of the Petal Throne was the source for much of Kelewan. The original Dungeons & Dragons campaign which he based his books on had an invasion of the Midkemia world by Tekumel. As a result, much of the background of Kelewan - the Tsurani Empire, the lack of metals and horses, the Cho'ja, the pantheons of 10 major and 10 minor gods - come from Tekumel. Feist claims to have been unaware of this origin when he wrote Magician.
But wait a minute Barker was a nazi, does that mean...?

[Anonymous No.23221381]

Separating scientology from the book, is Dianetics actually a good sci-fi book?

[Anonymous No.23221409]

Any rec. similar to The Black Company? I just can't seem to find any decent fantasy as of lately...

[Anonymous No.23221411]

>>23221327
>thanks, but I have a life to live

Says the man on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.23221426]

Im reading the Cthulhu mythos stories. I just finished The Hound. Pretty good.

[Anonymous No.23221436]

>>23221426
Just space them out. Lovecraft's stories were originally serialized in magazine issues and never really written to be read as complete works. If you read them back-to-back they'll come across as same-y.

[Anonymous No.23221467]

>>23220688

Good Fantasy and sci-fi

>Neuromancer
>12 Miles Below
>Berserk
>There Are Superheroes In This Story
>The Murderbot Diaries
>Melody of Mana
>The Dragon Riders of Pern
>Warlock of The Magus World
>Ringworld
>A Neets Guide To Becoming A God
>The Reality Dysfunction
>What We Do To Survive
>A Practical Guide To Sorcery
>Healer of Monsters
>Blame
>Tenebroum
>Sokaiseva
>I Am Not Chaotic Evil
>Violent Solutions


Good Lit-RPG

>Red Mage
>The Tutorial Is Too Hard
>The Mana Influx
>The Nailmaker
>Cinnamon Bun
>Book of The Dead
>The Reincarnation of Alysara
>Dawn of The Void
>Eight
>Hell Difficulty Tutorial
>Age of Stone
>Overgeared
>As Good as Dead
>The Warlord

[Anonymous No.23221470]

>good fantasy
>berserk

[Anonymous No.23221492]

>the black company
>good

[Anonymous No.23221493]

>Book has a protagonist that is tall, attractive, has had a girlfriend or sex
>Immediately dropped and thrown in the garbage

[Anonymous No.23221494]

>>23221492
rheumatism, eh?

[Anonymous No.23221507]

>>23221381
Dianetics is mostly standard self-help with buzzwords that would have sounded shiny and chrome in 1949 but come across as very "silver age" now. You are better off just reading some Buddhism and Crowley if you simply want to be titillated by the mythos/lore, since that is where he cribbed the majority of it from.
That said, I really enjoyed Battlefield Earth as a throwback to what Hubbard calls "Pure Scifi".

[Anonymous No.23221516]

>>23220936
You put the chick in the chainmail bikini on the cover of the novel, not in it.
Even i know that anon.

>>23221409
Bloodsounder's Arc Series by Jeff Salyards.
The premise is similar, namely mercenary company up to no good.

[Anonymous No.23221518]

>>23221493
Fucking normies.

[Anonymous No.23221587]

>>23220931
>>23220936
Thraxas

[Anonymous No.23221654]

>>23221587
>Thraxas
Based beyond belief

[Anonymous No.23221741]

>>23221214
Not him, but Elfland's Daughter seemed to me to have the same problem as with LotR, where the prose is just too dry adn characterless for anything else to click.

[Anonymous No.23221872]

What differences are there between the three body book and the tencent show?
can I just read book 2 after watching the show?

[Anonymous No.23221875]

>>23221409
The Strange Company series by Nick Cole is basically 'The Black Company IN SPAAAAACE.'

[Anonymous No.23221881]

>>23221875
*Actually it isn't 'basically' Black Company in space; it IS Black Company in space. Blatantly so.

[Anonymous No.23221889]

>Three body problem
>it's actually a four body problem

[Anonymous No.23221894]

>>23221741
>prose is just too dry and characterless
I honestly don't know if we read the same book anon. I found the king of elflands daughter to have some of the most beautiful writing and language I have read across all of the genre. I'm not near my bookshelf or I'd grab my copy and quote some of the passages I bookmarked. I can understand where you're coming from with Tolkien, however. I thought The Silmarillion had 'prettier' writing than Hobbit/LotR, although it's hard to know how much of the actual prose/language itself was revised by Christopher as its all compiled from notes iirc. I haven't got around to reading the other Tolkien stuff yet.

[Anonymous No.23221903]

Any Greg Egan fans here? I just want to talk about Diaspora.

[Anonymous No.23221934]

>>23221889
the 4th body being the chink author who wrote this trash lmao

[Anonymous No.23221944]

>>23221903
It's been a while since I've read it and it may take a while for me to reply, but go ahead.

[Anonymous No.23221971]

>>23221493
I wrote a fantasy novel where the male lead is a tall, tough, muscular, handsome knight who is also miserably shy around women. His arc over the course of the story is getting over his shyness and asking out his crush, after he helps her save the world from an evil wizard.

[Anonymous No.23221990]

>>23221971
Pozzed

[Anonymous No.23222035]

>>23221971
Where is his family, they should be arranging a 14-year-old bride for him.

[Anonymous No.23222039]

>>23222035
His parents are dead and he's 18. He ends up hooking up with the Princess of his country, who is also 18.

[Anonymous No.23222041]

>>23222039
Hooking up? Man, you really are pozzed.

[Anonymous No.23222047]

>>23221971
Why would you rite such generic slop

[Anonymous No.23222048]

>>23222041
Their relationship is obviously deeper than that, I was just using a turn of phrase

[Anonymous No.23222053]

>>23221944
It's been a while since I read it too. I just found myself thinking about it again, the ending in particular. As Yatima reaches the end of ver journey, having "climbed" trillions of dimensions upwards to reach undisturbed space and finally witnesses the monument to the transmuters, a cross dimensional "sculpture" going through every universe ve passed through and the final form is a being extending its arm into the unknown. It was such poignant moment, I was genuinely moved to tears by it. Something about the sheer scale of the entire journey and how it ends on such a hopeful note really spoke to me. It's something I think about every now and then but I don't know anyone I can share with how strongly I feel about this book.

[Anonymous No.23222054]

>>23222039
So lame

[Anonymous No.23222055]

>>23221971
I wrote a fantasy novel where the protagonist is an outlandishly beautiful femboy knight who is lusted after by every female he meets but fate intervenes to keep him a virgin until he lands the ugliest bag of rocks imaginable who he takes without any hesitation on account of being his destined true love who is enchanted by a fairy to be ugly until the spell is broken

[Anonymous No.23222064]

>>23222047
To be honest, I wanted to keep it simple for my first novel. Also however that saying goes, 'if you can't find the novel you want to read, write it yourself'. That's not exactly how it goes, but you get the idea.

[Anonymous No.23222066]

>>23222055
I hope you meant a bag of boners.

[Anonymous No.23222079]

>>23222064
You couldn't find novel about a shy mc that helps save the world from an evil wizard? I feel like you didn't search around enough. There are probably several dozen from 1970s-1990s

[Anonymous No.23222089]

>>23222066
sorry I'm straight, there's no futas in my story

[Anonymous No.23222097]

>>23222079
Well, I wanted it set to my particular standards. I don't like the fixation on sex in a lot of older fantasy novels, plus I wanted the Princess to team up with him on the adventure so they could fight as a single unit and get into hijinks.

[Anonymous No.23222099]

>>23222079
Name several then.

[Anonymous No.23222151]

>>23222097
Jfc. A couples fantasy adventure.
Even worse than shitty single coomer mc or single feminist female mc fantasy. How did the modern fantasy genre get into this state of complete and total literary decay?

[Anonymous No.23222163]

>>23222151
Blame Tolkien.

[Anonymous No.23222176]

>Read litrpg or progression fantasy
>The mc always picks up a boring crafting or inscribing ability
Who want this?
It's so boring

[Anonymous No.23222177]

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

[Anonymous No.23222178]

>>23222053
I've talked to other people who have read it and there seems to be many different reactions to the ending. Personally I think the ending is a bit too much like an orgasm after an extended bout of intellectual masturbation (I don't consider this a bad thing, just too much of a good thing), so I can certainly can understand your emotional reaction. Diaspora was the first Egan novel I read so I was probably too harsh at the time and didn't fully understand which he was going for. Since then I've read most of his work and I think I have a better idea. I agree that it's more of a hopeful ending than not and disagree with those who claim the ending is suicide and nothing more than that. Regardless, it's a good thing that you feel so strongly about it, that's what something you enjoy ought to do and it's unfortunate you don't have someone you can truly express it to.

[Anonymous No.23222193]

>>23222177
LOTM rushed it ending badly and the second protagonist sucks.
Wandering Inn sucks since it has a female protagonist written by a male author

[Anonymous No.23222196]

/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince

[Anonymous No.23222197]

>>23222055
That's just Sir Gawain and Dame Ragnelle.

[Anonymous No.23222211]

What a fucking snooze fest. When does this get interesting? Already on p. 120

[Anonymous No.23222251]

>>23222099
pic related is the goat. Shy magical boy confronted with deadly wizards at every turn.

[Anonymous No.23222257]

>>23222222

[Anonymous No.23222287]

>>23222163
Nice try, rabbi.

[Anonymous No.23222308]

>>23222251
Are you sure that fits the description of anon's novel?

[Anonymous No.23222328]

>>23222151
Yeah. I like banter and two characters flirting with one another while they try to figure out their feelings. YA is perfect because they're mature enough to fight villains but struggle with the opposite sex. I also don't like writing sex, so the romance is reserved to blushing, stolen glances, gentle teasing and flirting.

[Anonymous No.23222344]

>>23222197
I know, that's why I wrote it as a novel instead of a 14th-century English poem

[Anonymous No.23222357]

>>23222328
I gotta say, based on that description you are a huge weenie
but at least you're not as big a weenie as this >>23222151 joyless foreveralone autistic fuckwad who has throttled his own humanity out of his body out of a sense of sour grapes for not getting laid

[Anonymous No.23222358]

>>23222357
Lol. I'll take it.

[Anonymous No.23222386]

>>23222358
I'm just saying if I write a romantic couple in a story they're going to do it by the end of the book. The sex might be "off-screen" as it were, but it is going to be there, I'm not going to tease the audience for 800 pages and then end the book with handholding as the final and ultimate consummation of the relationship like that fucking bitch CJ Cherryh did in The Morgaine Cycle

[Anonymous No.23222406]

>>23222386
That's fine. I like a more chaste relationship. They kiss and cuddle at the end of my story, in addition to holding hands.

[Anonymous No.23222413]

>>23222406
That's excessively lewd.

[Anonymous No.23222423]

At this point which is a farther shot: making it through traditional publishing or making it with a free webnovel's patreonbux and kindle-locking "books" in the series as they finish?

[Anonymous No.23222432]

>>23222193
Is it worse to have a female protagonist written by a man, or a male protagonist written by a woman?

[Anonymous No.23222445]

>>23222386

[Anonymous No.23222466]

>>23222423
Publishers are killing their midlists and destroying all lower than than mostly so it's worse than ever for traditional. Gone are the 3 book contracts. If your first book fails to do well enough, you're gone, even if you had planned it to be more. Many of the big SFF publishers are increasingly restricting who and what can be published.

The Webnovel problem is that its extremely saturated and those that pay seem to only want very specific niche content and anything that strays away from that is almost surely doomed to failure.

So, really, it's a pick your poison situation of choosing between two that will almost surely kill you regardless. The being said, you probably have a better chance of making greater than 0 dollars with the Patreon stuff. I linked this recently and I'll do so again: https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-earners/writing

[Anonymous No.23222502]

>>23221247
Did you like them? I've considered reading Otherland for a while

[Anonymous No.23222515]

>>23222432
Statistically, women write better male protagonists than men write female protagonists, at least in my experience. I presume the reason for this is because no man will ever EVER fathom what goes on in a woman's mind, whereas there is a certain group of insightful women who can lay bare the inner machinations of the male brain more incisively and succinctly than men themselves will care to admit. I do not pretend these women are the rule; most women writers are vapid pea-brained narcissists who do not even begin to think that men have meaningful thoughts or feelings at all, but when you have a good one like Lois McMaster Bujold or Francine Rivers or Rosemary Sutcliff who not only strives but succeeds to understand the male psyche and its value, you can get good male heroes from them. The best male writers sensibly avoid writing female protagonists and busy themselves making worthwhile male ones.

[Anonymous No.23222540]

>>23222515
Trips of truth.

[Anonymous No.23222560]

>>23222328
So call it a romance story, not fantasy adventure

>>23222357
Trash

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.23222586]

>>23220688
Djinn City, Djinn #1 - Saad Z. Hossain (2017)

This is the first book of four in Hossain's Djinn universe, along with four works of short fiction. I started with the second published book and then the fourth, so reading the first was an interesting experience because much is explained about the Djinn that isn't repeated again. Now that I've read all four books, I know that despite being described as standalones, the order in which they're read does matter, but not to where you must start here. Chronologically the next book is Cyber Mage. Each book is different, so if you like one you may not necessarily like the others.

I believe that one of the most important functions of writing these is to give the reader an idea of whether this would be something they'd be interested in or if they're wasting their time. How a story ends can be very important and may ruin everything that came before for some readers. Djinn City has an abrupt ending that's also narratively complete. If you need closure and resolution, you won't find it here. Even if you read everything currently in the setting there remains a few unresolved storylines.

This is a science fantasy tragicomedy with a considerable amount of social and political satire. The story is mostly set roughly around the time of its publication, 2017, in Dhaka, Bangladesh. There are several other places visited, but everything revolves around Dhaka, which happens to be where the author lives. The fantasy mostly comes from the djinn, which aren't the standard sort, and the fantastical things they do to stay amused. Science fiction is presented through the Djinn as well, who have quite advanced technology, though also through some lengthy infodumps. The satire seemed to be more of a general sort rather than needing to know Bangladeshi cultural references or similar. The comedy tends towards the dark, absurd, and wry with a bit of meta.

There are three viewpoint characters. Indelbed, a young boy of who wants much more out of life than what his father allows for him, though that soon becomes the least of his suffering. Kaikobad, his father, explores the deep past of Djinn history. Rais, his adult cousin, learns that Djinn exist and devotes his life to be being involved with them as much as possible, which leads to adventure. How this book ends each character's story could've definitely have been more satisfying, but I also believe it to be a bold choice. I wouldn't want it to be common, though it's fine to read a few that end this way.

The plot is that the villain, a djinn, wants to kill a lot of humans without them having any idea it's anything other than natural disasters literally because of lore reasons. Djinn culture is complicated, though ancient Roman concepts are a primary influence, and they're extremely litigative. There's a lot of questionable narrative choices and flaws, but how everything is executed and written is quite agreeable to my preferences.

Rating: 4/5

[Anonymous No.23222641]

>>23222466
>Publishers are killing their midlists and destroying all lower than than mostly so it's worse than ever for traditional. Gone are the 3 book contracts. If your first book fails to do well enough, you're gone, even if you had planned it to be more.
Is this just a manifestation of the upwards trend of short-term greed brainrot, squandering their supply chasing best-sellers, or something else?
>Many of the big SFF publishers are increasingly restricting who and what can be published.
Is this strictly idpol related or do you mean other restrictions as well?
>I linked this recently and I'll do so again: https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-earners/writing
So you have to break into around the top 50 or so to be making a very modest living, not counting anything you make putting finished books behind a paywall.
Still seems more viable than traditional to me, since the writing skill floor is fanfic-tier and discoverability seems organic and with minimal advertising/networking required on key sites. The main barrier is finding an autist-desired subgenre you can stomach pandering to.

[Anonymous No.23222692]

weird ass book
weird ass stories
weird ass author
fuckin' weird maaaaaaaaaaaan

I kind of want to check out Bryant's other stuff now, but also don't at the same time

[Anonymous No.23222725]

>>23221038
eh i liked it but at the same time i didn't care much for it. i think it was trying to be too deep for its own good, unironically.

i think i don't like john crowley. i tried reading Little, Big, but dropped after being a third or so into it even though i recognized that the prose is fantastic, and i really liked the beginning. and right now i'm reading engine summer and it's the same, good prose and all but i don't think the concept is very engaging and at the same time it takes itself too seriously. i think this one i will finish though

[Anonymous No.23222738]

>>23222515
>Statistically
>in my experience

kys

[Anonymous No.23222767]

>>23222692
Weird in what way?

[Anonymous No.23222800]

I am struggling with WoT: The Great Hunt. Halfway through and it just drags.

[Anonymous No.23222827]

>>23222767
one example:
a dude has sex with a house (a girl who transferred her consciousness into the walls and floors of an electronic house)

[Anonymous No.23222833]

>>23222515
>but when you have a good one like Lois McMaster Bujold or Francine Rivers or Rosemary Sutcliff
I think we just have fundamentally incompatible values.

[Anonymous No.23222876]

>>23221333
Tekumel is a tragically underrated fantasy setting, so if Feist ripped it off at least he has good taste.

[Anonymous No.23222890]

>>23222641
There are several new publishers who are trying to disrupt publishing by giving the authors a far higher share of earnings, but they only want established authors who will almost certainly earn them profits and be successful. Because these big names subsidize every other author at regular publishers with the hopes they get a hit, they are also moving more towards this model. As a result they no longer have the desire to hope for hits and want more likely hits, such as whatever the top thing on social media is, usually TikTok. Having an already established fan base means a higher chance of their debut book succeeding. If it doesn't, they're dropped, as with much else. This is also similar to the model Netflix is using now for new shows, in that if it isn't successful right away it won't be getting a second season.

A lot of it is identity politics, that can't be helped due to the demographics of those in the publishing industry now. That may be starting to relent though based on the what I've seen and read about though. However, it's also about sales. If female authors writing for a female audience sell much more than male authors for a male audience that's what will be published. I wouldn't bet for identity politics winning against profits in the end.

So, yeah, overall self-publishing is the more likely bet for genre stuff. I don't know about literary.

[Anonymous No.23222930]

>>23222890
There's a few publishers such as https://aethonbooks.com/catalog/ who seen be trying to get successful webnovel and similar marketing and promotion to increase their reach.

[Anonymous No.23222956]

>>23222930
>We are excited to announce that we have signed a deal with Larry Corriea, New York Times bestselling author of Monster Hunter International, to pen an Epic Progression Fantasy series titled, ACADEMY OF OUTCASTS!
If you look through the blog their are other sff names that may be similar contracted with them as well.

[Anonymous No.23223020]

>>23222833
The best-written female protagonist written by a man that I've ever encountered - that is, the one most fully-fleshed out beyond superficial plot contrivance, that has real emotions and motives, and constitutes a principal mover of the plot rather than playing second-fiddle to a man - is Mina Harker from Bram Stoker's Dracula. No fictional woman has been written by a man better than that; at least not while remaining a woman. There are plenty of "write a man, call it a woman" examples that are plenty fine and enjoyable, but they do not fully utilize or encapsulate the female mindset, they are "desexed" in a fashion, or else they are simply not the chief protagonist, such as Polgara in David Eddings' Belgariad who is no more protagonist than Morgan le Fay is in Malory, no matter how well-written she is.

However, pretty much every book I've read that was written by a female author where a man is the main character, has captured the maleness of his body and his worldview as well as any male author can. Of course, with the exception of Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman, I've almost exclusively read books by -good- female authors, which is an astronomical stroke of good fortune.

[Anonymous No.23223077]

>>23223020
Larry McMurtry is good at writing female characters as well. He's not exactly /sffg/ but he's worth reading for anyone looking for examples to help them hone that specific character writing skillset.

[Anonymous No.23223088]

>>23223020
Tracy Hickman is a man.

[Anonymous No.23223153]

>>23223020
It's okay, anon, I just refuse to read women writers who write cuckshit and anyone who recommends such authors is instantly put on my shitlist.

[Anonymous No.23223169]

>>23223153
So men who write it are acceptable?

[Anonymous No.23223193]

>>23223169
Good point, that was a silly mistake.

[Anonymous No.23223205]

>>23222800
I had the same problem. It’ll pick up pretty soon

[Anonymous No.23223285]

>>23222251
That cover is almost on Zothique levels of horrendous.

[Anonymous No.23223311]

Books for this feel?

[Anonymous No.23223327]

>>23223311
Maybe Codex Alera. What are the essential traits of a tomboy you absolutely want?

[Anonymous No.23223333]

>>23223311
The problem with that is that it's mostly a visual aesthetic. There are many non-feminine women who are main characters, secondary characters, and love interests. That tends to be the case because feminine women don't tend to go on adventures or otherwise put themselves in danger like that. Those who disparage it often say "they wrote a man but called it a woman".

[Anonymous No.23223399]

Has anyone done something similar to kane stories?

[Anonymous No.23223409]

>>23223327
Fuck you just reminded me I haven't read Butcher in like forever.
But yeah that chick from Alexa is what I'm looking for, so more like her pls
>>23223333
Hmm, point made there.

[Anonymous No.23223453]

>>23223399
Similar in what way exactly?

[Anonymous No.23223455]

KNEEL to THE king

[Anonymous No.23223462]

>>23223409
...Why do I always read Alera as Alexa?

[Anonymous No.23223465]

>>23223153
Not all women writers write cuckshit. I tend to avoid reading cuckshit regardless of the sex of the author, for obvious reasons.
>>23223077
My experience with Western novels is highly limited, owing to the fact that so many of them are series with 30+ entries like the Sacketts or whatever, so Larry McMurtry's Lonesome Dove series hasn't really entered my reading list until I've exhausted my backlog of SF/fantasy trilogies and quadrilogies. I've read a few Louis L'amour and William Johnstone novels, as well as the classics like the Virginian and O Pioneers, and the dimes like Zane Grey stuff. Hondo probably has the best-written female protagonist I've encountered, and I wouldn't dream of comparing Hondo to Dracula.
>>23223088
I know but Margaret Weis is a woman and everyone she writes is trash just like Tracy Hickman, regardless of gender. Although this might be a matter of taste rather than talent: that pair seems to have a fetish for creating thoroughly unlikable characters, as my readings of Dragonlance Chronicles and Rose of the Prophet testify.

[Anonymous No.23223472]

>>23223465
>Not all women writers write cuckshit. I tend to avoid reading cuckshit regardless of the sex of the author, for obvious reasons.
Yeah, well, anon's recommendations were full of it.

[Anonymous No.23223495]

What’s peak fanstasy/scifi lovestory? Not romance or romantic smut, but a genuine love story.

[Anonymous No.23223504]

>>23223495
Replay by Grimwood

[Anonymous No.23223528]

>>23223495
>Not a love story, but a love story

[Anonymous No.23223534]

>>23223504
nta, but that's a great book, though I don't know that I'd quite call it a love story.

[Anonymous No.23223549]

>>23223528
Love stories are for men, romance novels are for women. If Link made LoZ it’d be a love story, if Zelda made it it’d be a romance game

[Anonymous No.23223584]

>>23223495
>be psychopath dictatress obsessed with a research associate that hates you
>clone him at gunpoint, rape the clone, then clone yourself to pursue your unrequited love from beyond the grave

doesn't get any more tragic than this

[Anonymous No.23223588]

>>23222039
Write on, I have no idea why you're getting push back. The amount of actual writers on /lit/ is low so the more the merrier in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.23223608]

>>23223588
I read this as the more the memeier

[Anonymous No.23223618]

Who writes the best prose in fantasy? So much seems bland slop. I've read Wolfe already.

[Anonymous No.23223666]

>>23223618
see >>23223528

[Anonymous No.23223676]

Well /sffg/-dono my many associates have informed me that you have been disrespecting me AND my family... now is the time for our Retribution. Don't say I never warned you... and yeah that's my girl.. heh... and YEAH she bites

[Anonymous No.23223684]

>>23223666
Wolfe writes beautiful prose. He is proof enough that well written fantasy or sci-fi must exist.

[Anonymous No.23223697]

>>23223684
How bout that guy Bakker?

[Anonymous No.23223708]

>>23223697
Haven't tried him! I'll take a look

[Anonymous No.23223713]

>>23223697
excellent post

[Anonymous No.23223719]

All right if Fear & Hunger was a novel, what novel would that be?

[Anonymous No.23223735]

>>23221333
Feist is Based.

[Anonymous No.23223746]

>>23223719
Black Farm

[Anonymous No.23223818]

>>23223746
>look on Amazon
>first review mentions sexual assault
Comfy time

[Anonymous No.23223875]

'Starfish' by Peter Watts.
Rating: 4/5.

This has been the quickest read of this length for me, 2 days for 310 pages, during the work week as well. I think that says something (I've been butting my head on Bertrand and philosophy and this book is *pretty* great).

The good:
A very unique setting
Interesting mental illness plot points
Interesting technology and machines

The bad:
A slow middle section of the book

This book almost became hyperion book 2 for me, in the sense it was almost taking too long to solve all the mysteries that I stopped fucking caring. But this book delivers.

It's definitely worth a read, it's actually good and I will be reading the next book.

In some places it's touching at greatness and in other places it is just fine to good. That's honestly impressive.

This book is better than 'a mote in God's eye', 'hyperion 2', and 'We'.

It's my first Peter Watts, any thoughts on him and the rest of the series?

[Anonymous No.23223889]

>>23223875
Firefall/Blindsight is a masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.23223894]

Any books out there that give that Warcraft 1\2\3 feel?

[Anonymous No.23223905]

Just started reading the first Black Company book. I'm getting kinda mixed vibes so far. I THINK it's supposed to be gritty and serious, but for some reason I can't get over the fact that the big bad monster at the beginning of the book is a wereleopard that was trapped in a crypt for 1000 years . For some reason that sounds so silly to me. Am I getting the wrong vibe here?

[Anonymous No.23223912]

>>23220759
Godclads

[Anonymous No.23223913]

>>23223905
A furry is a dangerous foe

[Anonymous No.23223916]

>>23223889
Blindsight is the one about vampires in space that introduced the idea of straight lines and right angles playing fuckfuck with vampire brains as an explanation for why crosses work, right?

[Anonymous No.23223935]

>>23223894
Lord of the Rings

[Anonymous No.23223940]

>>23223912
>litrpg

[Anonymous No.23223945]

>>23223940
and yet it has that vibe

[Anonymous No.23223948]

Let's settle it once and for all, is street cultivation litrpg or not?

[Anonymous No.23223985]

>>23223945
Prove it.

[Anonymous No.23223987]

>>23223985
read it yourself double nigger i already spoonfed you the recommendation

[Anonymous No.23223988]

>>23223987
PROVE IT NOW.

[Anonymous No.23223998]

>>23223988
You have two working eyes and hopefully an IQ above room temperature, don't you anon?

[Anonymous No.23224001]

>>23223998
He needs you to change his diaper and breastfeed him the content

[Anonymous No.23224004]

>>23223998
This: >>23224001

[Anonymous No.23224043]

When people say the Remembrance of Earth's Past books are 'hard scifi' and they 'blew my mind scientifically' are they joking? This shit is literally just magic+space. The phrase 'break physics' is the most fucking retarded shit I've ever heard.

[Anonymous No.23224069]

>>23223905
It gets even more silly but imo worth reading a few more of them.

[Anonymous No.23224081]

>>23223894
anything by R. A. Salvatore

[Anonymous No.23224095]

>>23224043
Sounds like it’s enjoyed by people who frequent that niche site known as Reddit.com

[Anonymous No.23224140]

>>23223916
Indeed. I'm a fantasyfag and usually only read science fiction if it's very far-fetched (i.e. dune), but it really grabbed me like no other hard science fiction has before and after.

[Anonymous No.23224142]

Just finished the second book of Three Body Problem and I have no idea wtf the 3rd book will be about. Everything seems done, but I guess this shit is gonna be stretched out.

[Anonymous No.23224190]

>>23216940?

[Anonymous No.23224202]

>>23224142
imagine the worst possible person being placed in charge of the "Kill Trisolarians" panic button

[Anonymous No.23224342]

>>23223916
no, Blindsight is the one with a first contact with a race of extremely "intelligent" aliens capable of "communicating" with humans but the plot twist is that they aren't actually conscious and are merely successfully imitating thought and language the way The Thing from John Carpenter's movie (or by extent, Who Goes There by JW Campbell) imitates human thought and speech, and implies that all life in the galaxy is actually that way and humans are aberrations for having brains that operate on a non-instinctive level

[Anonymous No.23224385]

I'm enjoying botns more when severian is not talking to himself

[Anonymous No.23224422]

>>23224342
The right angles thing the other anon was talking about is in Blindsight. It's a minor plot point but it is there and it becomes relevant in the final act. It also becomes a major plot point in the sequel novel, where the vampires play a more central role in the plot.

[Anonymous No.23224471]

>>23223462
Don't know man. Maybe you're a retard.

[Anonymous No.23224543]

>>23224342
Why would you post the entire plot of the novel including spoilers

[Anonymous No.23224554]

>>23220759
Dreams of Amputation, The Divinity Student, Blood Electric

[Anonymous No.23224570]

>>23222827
Eh, it's not that weird.

[Anonymous No.23224577]

>>23224422
>It also becomes a major plot point in the sequel novel, where the vampires play a more central role in the plot.
WHAT ROLE?

WHAT ROLE DOES VALERIE PLAY IN THE PLOT OF ECHOPRAXIA???

TELL ME NOW I AM NO LONGER FUCKING ASKING TELL ME OR DIE

[Anonymous No.23224722]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Star

Worth a read?

[Anonymous No.23224812]

Just read Piranesi and I absolutely loved it, I haven't read sci-fi in ages but it really hooked me in, although the ending is a bit ordinary.
Anything else like this in recent years?

[Anonymous No.23224865]

I figured it out. This series is Dune but written by Mencius Moldbug.

[Anonymous No.23224921]

>>23223875
I've slept it off and have more thoughts.

If you have read snowcrash and liked the ending, read this book.

The visuals of the 'rifters' lungs collapsing as their artifical lung fills with water along with all their other body modifications is awesome, although sometimes you forget and it feels like they are just in dive suits.

At times the weirdness/intrigue factor is cranked up and you are expecting some crazy twist but it never really gets that far fetched, the series stays pretty *grounded* in spite of being at the bottom of the ocean.

The middle section suffers from too much dialogue and character interaction with little result or change in story state.

Now spoilers
I thought surely any minute aliens would show up or something would come out of the rift and talk to them or they'd merge with it in some sort of hive mind, nothing like that happens sorta sadly but the direction with the RNA and smart gel is still cool and as a scientist I enjoy the more realistic in some senses twist Peter developed. At times the novel holds back on being too crazy and I think this hurts it sometimes, I want more abused creepy deep sea life and the like. You lose a lot of the claustrophobia and mystique of the deep sea by the middle of the book as there is no danger outside, the only danger is the rifters themselves. The mental illness abuse theme sort of is tacked on it feels at some points at at others it feels very deliberate and refreshing. I really enjoyed Fischer's story and his ending although I think I surely missed some smaller details of it. Also the ending where the contractors installed all the earthquake safe glass backwards is fucking hilarious and unexpected.

And I read this book because I saw it on a chart on the mega and its cover reminds me of system shock.

[Anonymous No.23225001]

>>23223875
>>23224921

Iirc the rest of that series devolves into murderhobo schlock, without the cool ideas that make a Peter Watts novel hum.

If you want something else that ticks the vasty deeps box, Neptune's Brood is a fun read. Quite a bit more lighthearted and throws in pop culture references etc

[Anonymous No.23225164]

>>23225001
>throws in pop culture references etc
That means it's fucking garbage. You realize that, right?

[Anonymous No.23225189]

Baen?

[Anonymous No.23225221]

>>23224543
because the book has been out for like 20 years bro, you gonna get mad when people spoil that Achilles dies at the end of the Iliad?

>>23224422
I must have totally forgotten that, because that same plot point appears in Poul Anderson and Tim Powers novels

[Anonymous No.23225223]

>>23225164

everything itt is always garbage, you realize that right?

[Anonymous No.23225228]

>>23225189
Del Rey > Baen > Tor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DAW

[Anonymous No.23225267]

>>23224865
Based.

[Anonymous No.23225271]

>>23224722
Yes.

[Anonymous No.23225326]

>>23224865
It took you four books to figure that out?

[Anonymous No.23225392]

>>23225326
To put it into those words, yes. I've just been imagining a political compas with basedjacks plastered all over it the past three books.

[Anonymous No.23225401]

>>23225326
oh also
>the cover of the fifth book spoils a plot point of the fourth book
lame as fuck

[Anonymous No.23225407]

>>23224722
I liked it
fast pace, interesting scenes

[Anonymous No.23225423]

>>23222692
S Craig Zahler's Corpus Chrome is like 90% Philip K Dick with 10% weird

one of the main characters is a murderer who is put to death and then later resurrected through some mind-uploading technology or some other technological explanation. When he comes back to life he holds a press conference and tells the world that every human has a shadow self that lives behind the moon, and if you kill someone while alive and then you yourself eventually die, your shadow self is hurled into the sun. Zahler doesn't explore this idea any more in the book and all the other characters think the MC is a looney. I thought it was an interesting and neat way to show that his universe has some bizarre objective morality around murder built into it

[Anonymous No.23225489]

>>23225423
might read it
don't feel like reading Empire of the Damned just yet

[Anonymous No.23225504]

>read Vance
>all stories have woman getting fucked in some way, either literally or metaphorically
>one story is literally a group of wizards fighting off the result of a gender war between witches and wizards
>wizard leader returns at the end to spirit the witch away to be his house-wife

What did Vance mean by this

[Anonymous No.23225508]

>>23225504
This is what he meant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bLmgUgPR58

[Anonymous No.23225515]

>>23222064
This is why I never read a debut novels.

[Anonymous No.23225558]

I'm only 7 chapters into Dune Messiah but fuck the Alia lusting over Duncan's Ghola stuff is extremely cringe still going to finish the book tho

[Anonymous No.23225573]

>>23225558
boy if you think thata cringe, just wait till you get to the mindbreak mating press stuff

[Anonymous No.23225627]

>>23225573
Bitches don't know about my beefswelling

[Anonymous No.23225633]

>>23223584
This was a banger trilogy wish she wrote more of this and less of that alien sex one.

[Anonymous No.23225645]

>>23225627
>beefswelling
reddit tier shit, we're talking straight shota mind rape brainwashing

[Anonymous No.23225648]

Don't read urban fantasy.

[Anonymous No.23225654]

>>23225648
such as?

[Anonymous No.23225655]

>>23223495
The Buried Giant
i could name others but i'm not sure because i don't remember the plot exactly

[Anonymous No.23225689]

>>23225648
I liked Bobby Dollar haven't read the third one yet though

[Anonymous No.23225693]

>>23224722
yes. however, it's a huge missed opportunity, halfway through the book i was really liking it but then it changed course drastically. spoilers:

what i want is a first contact book where humans are the underdogs, and they eventually get crushed in the inmensity and vastness of space, full of incromprehensible and vastly superior life forms to us, like an ant is inferior to a man. killing star starts presenting humans like mice, pretty smart, pretty resilient, but overwhelmed by alien forces they can barely begin to understand. that should have been the core of the book. i wanted the different groups to keep getting smashed despite all their effords, without even getting to understand how or why they get smashed. that's what would happen in a real scenario where an advanced civ wants to destroy an early civ.

i think a book like this would be fantastic. where slowly but surely you see the underdog getting owned, keeping towards the reader that sense of inferiority, impotence and despair that no matter how hard they try, the playing field is too stacked against them, and they don't even understand the rules. that's a real dark forest scenario, not what's presented in the book.

the book is fine, i enjoyed it still, but it gives too much detail about the aliens and trivializes things, it also shoehorns too many explanations about what's happening, i guess the concept was novel at the time so the author felt he had to spell out everything but i didn't like it. also several concrete things i didn't like at all, the 2 characters letting themselves get abducted is completely retarded, i guess it's there so that we can see the aliens (which as i said it's by itself a huge mistake in my opinion), the star trek references are silly, etc. it's just a pity because it the book could have been so good man

[Anonymous No.23225745]

>>23225693
> first contact book where humans are the underdogs, and they eventually get crushed in the inmensity and vastness of space, full of incromprehensible and vastly superior life forms to us, like an ant is inferior to a man

Trite, uninspired, overdone, just read "le heckin cosmic horrorino sci-fi!" reddit slop e.g. Xeelee Sequence

[Anonymous No.23225751]

>>23225654
>Of course, fairy-stories are not the only means of recovery, or prophylactic against loss. Humility is enough. And there is (especially for the humble) Mooreeffoc, or Chestertonian Fantasy. Mooreeffoc is a fantastic word, but it could be seen written up in every town in this land. It is Coffee-room, viewed from the inside through a glass door, as it was seen by Dickens on a dark London day; and it was used by Chesterton to denote the queerness of things that have become trite, when they are seen suddenly from a new angle. That kind of “fantasy” most people would allow to be wholesome enough; and it can never lack for material. But it has, I think, only a limited power; for the reason that recovery of freshness of vision is its only virtue.

[Anonymous No.23225787]

>>23225751
>its only virtue
idk man this reads like cope to me

[Anonymous No.23225869]

>>23224921
for more weird ocean sci-fi try Twenty Trillion Leagues Under the Sea by Adam Roberts

[Anonymous No.23225959]

Excerpts from something I read:

In 1936, anthropologist Ralph Linton said “the last thing a fish would ever notice would be water”. If fish were contemporary sff readers, the last thing they would notice is squeecore. Squeecore is the dominant literary movement in contemporary SFF; a movement so ubiquitous, it’s nearly invisible.

Squeecore tends to be uplifting and upbeat. There’s a weird, like, YA-ish, young-adult fiction tone to it, even when it’s supposed to be for adults. Characters feel weirdly young: they always think and act and feel like they’re in their late teens or early twenties.

"Squee” is a culture term for a sound or expression of excitement or enthusiasm. It’s a close kin to “amazeballs” and “epic sauce”. It represents a specific feeling, a type of frisson that readers value; the tingle of relatability as a beloved character does something cool, or says something “epic” and snarky. The essence of squee is wish fulfillment. Squeecore lives for the “hell yeah” moment; the “you go, girl” moment; the gushy feeling of victory by proxy.

It’s not enough to deconstruct something; they have to tell you “see? Look, I’m deconstructing it! See? See what I’m doing here? Do you get it? Do you get – you’re so smart. You’re so smart for enjoying this.”

There have been many, many response stories to The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas. Most of these responses are terrible because they just take it as a surface-level plot, going “I’d rescue the kid!” The purpose is it’s a philosophical question to make you think about who you are, and what your values are, and who you are in society.

There’s the “stuck in the past”, there’s the “great influences are from TV and movies, and not from literature”. A lot of great genre writers like John Langan; if you’re reading The Fisherman, it’s clear that he fucking loves Moby-Dick. Tolkein read the old Icelandic sagas. There was this immense curiosity for the world and from older literature that goes in there, and now it’s lacking. There’s an intense refusal to look beyond a narrow group of canonical genre works, and the only way we’re going to look at it either is for cheap, lazy references, or to say “I defeated it! I won! I beat HP Lovecraft by writing a response story to him! I defeated a dead person! Hurray for me!”

A major feature of squeecore is treating the act of making or consuming squeecore fiction as a heroic political act.

There's an inability to see fiction any other way, except as reassurance, safety, and relatability. Things that are outside of that are suspicious and maybe contemptuous.

Squeecore disallows the unhappy ending; the disappointment; the rawness; the hopelessness; the truth that sometimes you never get what you want, and the discomfiting possibility that maybe you don’t deserve it. It disallows waste and relapse and pointlessness. It disallows a huge spectrum of the human experience.

[Anonymous No.23225982]

>>23220688
picked up malazan and its shit so far.
picked up children of time also shit
anything good out there?

[Anonymous No.23226002]

Should I be reading entire series before moving on to the next? Or should I focus on a couple series, OR should I read multiple series at the same time?
Autism

[Anonymous No.23226013]

>>23225959
we get it your favourite works of literature are all purple misery porn

[Anonymous No.23226027]

>>23222177
>reverend insanity and LOTM
this list looks promising, I will read all your recommendations.

[Anonymous No.23226058]

>>23226013
How I wish this board wasn't broadly illiterate

[Anonymous No.23226069]

>>23220759
BleakWarrior

[Anonymous No.23226089]

>read old fantasy novel
>the love interest gets raped at some point
was this really necessary?

[Anonymous No.23226091]

>>23226002
That's something I struggle with too. I've been trying to reduce the number of completed ongoing series I'm reading because it turns out I can't remember everything from a dozen or more series that well when I get back to them. However, I also don't like reading tons from the same series at time. You just have to find what works out best for you through trial and error.

[Anonymous No.23226097]

>>23226089
>le bad thing happened
>oh noes! le bad thing is le bad and espousing it’s badness is le good
Shit fucking happens. People get raped. Does it matter if it was necessary or not if it happened?

[Anonymous No.23226098]

What was the purpose of making Rand al'Thor some 6'6 gigachad looking guy but giving him the personality of the average anime protagonist?

[Anonymous No.23226100]

>>23226097
I refuse to read any story with a used good love interest.
The author might as well just kill them off.

[Anonymous No.23226107]

>>23223940
I'm the biggest LitRPG hater on this site and I liked Godclads. I guess I only hate stats in fantasy, they seem to make more sense in sci-fi

[Anonymous No.23226134]

Which of these has good prose and interesting characters?

[Anonymous No.23226162]

>>23226134
>iToddler
You deserve nothing

[Anonymous No.23226173]

>>23226107
Excellent point, my White friend.

[Anonymous No.23226175]

>>23226098
>average anime protagonist
>kill millions, vaporize innocents to kill his foes
This two things are unalike, aside from him being slightly shy with women but still fucking them in the end

[Anonymous No.23226187]

>>23226107
No, you arent.
>So let’s get it out here first: the MC is a ghoul who eats people, tortures people, and does other things that are enough to leave you squeamish. But he’s not alone, the whole world partakes in these pastimes.

>Avo on the other hand is literally a man eating ghoul and wants nothing more then to tear any and everyone limb from limb to satiate his inner beast

Oh, it's the usual zero empathy autism/psychopathy sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.23226196]

>>23226098
I do believe you meant Chinese webnovel protagonist

[Anonymous No.23226206]

>>23226187
that's because big spoilers his soul was put in the body of a ghoul and he has hard time suppressing its natural desires or something like that, been a while since I read it

[Anonymous No.23226209]

>>23226175
>kills innocents
>starts blushing over a girl a few chapters later
very anime

[Anonymous No.23226218]

>>23226206
Interesting, i didn't read this because i didn't like that the protag was some monster from the start, was he a human before then?

[Anonymous No.23226238]

>>23223618
Lyonesse

[Anonymous No.23226283]

>>23226218
at some point some human scientist took care of him and I remember something about his child. I can't remember if he's just some experiment to make a ghoul more human or if there's some soul-swapping involved

[Anonymous No.23226366]

>>23225745
>Xeelee Sequence
thanks, i usually avoid series but i might try out a book on this one. any other recs, specially that you don't consider slop?

[Anonymous No.23226421]

i wish someone would write a parody of litrpg in a pastiche of 21st century zoomer speak ala Hodgeson’s Night Land titled “The Slop Land”.

[Anonymous No.23226439]

>>23225959
I agree that talking like an 11 year old girl when you're 37 is highly cringe, but so is being a terminally unhappy edgelord. Invader Zim and Marvel capeshit are two sides of the same coin.

[Anonymous No.23226474]

>>23225221
>Achilles dies at the end of the iliad
He doesn't, thanks for exposing yourself as a retard.

[Anonymous No.23226526]

>>23225423
Sounds pretty interesting.
Anyone got anymore stories of people coming back from the dead and spouting what they know?

[Anonymous No.23226541]

>>23226474
ok 2/3 of the way through the Iliad

[Anonymous No.23226555]

>>23226541
Epic Cycle, stupid, The Iliad ends with Hector's funeral.

[Anonymous No.23226577]

>>23226541
He dies "off-screen". And it's not even described or mentioned

[Anonymous No.23226584]

>>23226107
Godclads reads like someone who overdosed on Destiny’s lore/short story shards.

[Anonymous No.23226597]

Been reading Malazan the last couple of months. Halfway into book 3 and not enjoying the series at all. Just too many anime power levels and copy/paste characters.

Thinking of taking a break and starting The Prince of Nothing. Bakker fans, shill me. What can I expect?

[Anonymous No.23226653]

>>23223333
>Those who disparage it often say "they wrote a man but called it a woman".
Man, writing good women characters is such a lost art form for western authors. She's either too womanly and basically only exists as a love interest or too manly and basically isn't even a woman. The average CGDCT protagonists have more endearing qualities and complexity than 95% of female characters that any sffg author writes. I guess there's also an idea that in the west, readers want to self insert as the protagonists (which is why westerners who watch CGDCT are commonly trannies) and in the East maybe it's more like you're hanging out with the characters instead of seeing yourself as them, at least as far as men watching female characters goes.

[Anonymous No.23226672]

>>23226597

I read Gardens of the Moon recently but found it kind of confusing to follow maybe because of the cultural stuff Erikson throws around or if maybe I'm being swamped with too many characters but I found it kind of clunky in several places. Still fascinating and I liked some characters just Erikson's prose was kind of uninteresting. I'm going to read Deadhouse Gates to see if I'll like it enough to continue the series.

[Anonymous No.23226699]

>>23226134
Just read the whole dying earth saga. Especially Cugel.

I don't know what you mean by good prose but you'll probably like Vances vocabulary.

+1 for Vinge also just because it's great.

[Anonymous No.23226743]

>>23226653
>I guess there's also an idea that in the west, readers want to self insert as the protagonists (which is why westerners who watch CGDCT are commonly trannies) and in the East maybe it's more like you're hanging out with the characters instead of seeing yourself as them, at least as far as men watching female characters goes.
I think you're right, the distinction between "I like these characters" vs "I want to be these characters" are further breaking down in the west too, which reduces the diversity of characters because the west now has a limited range of archetypes that people can relate to (usually some kind of anti-authoritarian, possibly genderqueer character thrust from their meek life, a coward but can also be really brave when they need to be!) rather than Japs making up interesting or eccentric characters you'd like to go on adventures with. In fact I think the latter actually has better self-insert value because you can imagine yourself for who you are hanging out with them rather than aligning yourself with some author's idea of a bland western one-size-fits-all insert character.

[Anonymous No.23226759]

>>23226653
>The average CGDCT protagonists have more endearing qualities and complexity than 95% of female characters that any sffg author writes
complete tranime delusion

[Anonymous No.23226769]

>>23226759
By all means, name 3 complex female characters who act convincingly womanly from separate sffg authors

[Anonymous No.23226774]

>>23226769
Actually I should say "protagonists" not just characters, but that would probably make it impossible

[Anonymous No.23226775]

>>23226769
>name 3 tradwifes, bet you can't!

[Anonymous No.23226776]

>>23221134
>>23221493
>>23221872
>>23221971
>>23222251
>>23222406
>>23222515
>>23222586
>>23223465
>>23224812
>>23226653
>>23226699
Great post anons, very original but just started three body problem and i'm wondering when does it gets good? are the witcher books any good? Only played Witcher 3 and the netflix's series. Just started Eye of the World when does WoT gets good?? Any books like dark souls/berserk/Bloodborne??? Any books like FF/Dragon Quest/Tales of..??!! Any books with N'Wahs?Kvothe is a cuck, will slob Martin ever finish winds of winter??? Abercrombie is Reddit-tier?? Are the dune sequels worth it or should i stop with god emperor of dunc? Should i read the Hyperion sequel???? Did severian fucked his grandma? Is severian a clone? Any books with chinks? Any books like fallout/metro? Any books where the mc gets cucked? Any books where the mc Doesn't get cucked?? Stormlight book 5 when? Will kaladin fuck the fairy?? is the Eisenhorn trilogy a good place to start with W40k??? Or should i watch 4hours YouTube vid about le EPIC lore??? Any books with young petite women? Any books with old thick women? Any books with MANLY men like David Gemmell? Soulcatcher or Lady who is the better waifu? When does malazan gets good?? I didn't finish highschool so i can´t understand Malazan?!?! Any books with chinks??!! When does ASOIAF gets good?!?!? When does Farseer gets good?? When does lightbringer gets good?? When does codex alera gets good???? When does Lord of The Isles gets good?? Dunsany is king or bakker?? Any books with incest?

[Anonymous No.23226805]

>>23226775
The west doesn't even try to make compelling female characters, at least not ones who actually behave like women.
Pic related might be just 1 notch above slop but as far as female protagonists go, there is nothing on the west that compares. And this is just a random example I happened to have open. the East actually *tries* to do it. And does so without blatant feminist overtones.

[Anonymous No.23226868]

Currently reading pic related. Horror set in 1970s Jew York City. Author does a great job of capturing the nastiness of the city in that era.

[Anonymous No.23226874]

>>23226805
>Yamato Nadeshiko or nothing at all

[Anonymous No.23226897]

>>23226874
It doesn't need to be idealized

[Anonymous No.23226905]

What's anon's opinion on the Dark Tower? I loved it and think I like the ending, but I'm still mulling it over and thinking about how that whole last book was executed.

[Anonymous No.23226929]

>>23226776
Kek I thought my Piranesi post would get this response.
But while we're on the subject, the female cop in it has to be one of the worse examples of a modern, poorly written western female character, the part where the male cop questioning Piranesi's disappearance suddenly goes on this gushing tangent about how amazing, scary but thoughtful femalecop is is the most bizarre and cringe part of the entire book, especially when malecop has a lot of cause to take the interrogation seriously and believe that Piranesi might have killed a man who's just gone missing.
Admittedly all the characters in the book are pretty one dimensional and just there to serve a purpose, but femalecop and this one part in particular are just horrendously bad.

[Anonymous No.23226996]

>>23226929
>the female cop in it has to be one of the worse examples of a modern, poorly written western female character,
Poorly written or well written, it is still a female

>the part where the male cop questioning Piranesi's disappearance suddenly goes on this gushing tangent about how amazing, scary but thoughtful femalecop is is the most bizarre and cringe part of the entire book,
Why is that interesting to you (and other coomers like you)? Why do you care what (real or fictional) characters say or think about females, regardless if it's bizarre/cringe or a well though out?

[Anonymous No.23227024]

>>23226774
>>23226769
I'll do you better, I'll name PROTAGONISTS:
Dellia from the novel of the selfsame name by David Scidmore
Dun Lady's Jess from the Changespell series by Doranna Durgin (she happens to also be a literal horse magically transformed into a human but that's beside the point)
Sybel from The Forgotten Beasts of Eld by Patricia A. Mckillip.

And I didn't even have to resort to Star Wars to name three

[Anonymous No.23227069]

>>23227024
Thanks for responding to my thinly veiled rec post
These better be good

[Anonymous No.23227088]

>>23226134
Do NOT read Night's Master. "It's like Dying Earth" No it is not, that shit opens with gay pederasty.

[Anonymous No.23227091]

>>23226996
What the fuck are you even saying? How am I a coomer for thinking that diatribe is shit? Are you able to function on terms of real discussion points and not internet buzzwords?
>Poorly written or well written, it is still a female
What does this even mean
>Why do you care what (real or fictional) characters say or think about females, regardless if it's bizarre/cringe or a well though out?
I like to read good fiction, not shit

[Anonymous No.23227096]

>>23227091
*didn't mean to say diatribe, it's more like a soliloquy or something

[Anonymous No.23227098]

Any modern fantasy worth reading?

[Anonymous No.23227104]

>>23227098
If you feel the need to ask that question then probably not for you.

[Anonymous No.23227106]

>>23227098
Even though I'm currently bagging on it, Piranesi

[Anonymous No.23227124]

Is Cradle good? Is Cradle YA

[Anonymous No.23227158]

>>23227124
Oh no, an automated question bot has appeared.

[Anonymous No.23227181]

>>23226209
He's literally severely mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.23227325]

in sss class suicide hunter, how does the orphanage director get to the 21st stage without a title? Can titled people just teleport whoever in? I was under the impression that they were stuck in the 21st-29th stages until they completed stage 30

[Anonymous No.23227331]

>>23227181
So he posts about xianxia in /lit/sffg/?

[Anonymous No.23227360]

>>23227331
>kills innocents
>starts blushing over a girl a few chapters later
not xanxia

[Anonymous No.23227371]

[Anonymous No.23227378]

What do people think about brandon sanderson? Is it a good thing to start off with reading fantasy books to read something like the Stormlight Archives?

[Anonymous No.23227387]

>>23227378
He's the Wal-Mart of Fantasy.
Also:
>it's a Shallan chapter

[Anonymous No.23227396]

>>23226134
>good prose and interesting characters
Certainly not Nine Princes in Amber, but that doesn't mean it isn't fun

Haven't read Dream Master, but everything else by Zelasny is great
Greg Bear is great.
Vinge is great. I especially appreciate some of his predictions about the future of technology, and basically inventing the AI singularity genera trope, very, very good. Bunch of interesting ideas.
Canticle for Leibowitz is great.

Cugel's Saga is great. And really really funny, as in humor. But don't go in expecting it's anything like Gene Wolfe, I can't for the life of me understand why people think it got anything in common BotNS, and made up a name for it, "dying Earth"

[Anonymous No.23227408]

>>23227371
People meme this, but if a westoid author wrote this half the book would be the mc speaking in tongues.

[Anonymous No.23227436]

>>23227408
>Westoid author
>writing based protagonist and an actual adventure story
Not in a million years.

[Anonymous No.23227439]

I don't think Reverend Insanity has good prose for two reasons; It's a webnovel that had to have 5 chapters per week, it had no editor I don't think, and it is translated from another language as well.

[Anonymous No.23227449]

>>23226868
Just finished this. I liked it. I would describe it as 'grimy urban gnostic horror.'

[Anonymous No.23227456]

>>23227439
Do you think Sanderson has a good prose?

[Anonymous No.23227457]

>>23227456
buhwattabout

[Anonymous No.23227478]

>>23226597
>Bakker fans, shill me. What can I expect?
Aesthetic of berserk + the crusades, very dark

[Anonymous No.23227483]

>>23227457
Sorry about that... but still do you think Sanderson has good prose?

[Anonymous No.23227484]

>>23226769
Esmenet from Prince of nothing
The Will from keys to the kingdom
Catleyn from ASOIAF

[Anonymous No.23227488]

I like Battletech.

[Anonymous No.23227489]

>>23224577
She was a good friend

[Anonymous No.23227519]

If anyone here has work on RR, please drop it here. I'd love to see what /sffg/ has under their belts.

[Anonymous No.23227536]

>>23227519
>>/lit/?task=search&search_text=Royalroad.com

[Anonymous No.23227562]

>>23227069
Dellia is fairly conventional portal fantasy, but the female lead is a fully-realized heroine in the sense of heroism and femininity. She's just not particularly unique.
Dun Lady's Jess/Changespell/Changespell Legacy is a radically unconventional portal fantasy that is completely deranged, considering the literary conceit involved is a completely animal animal becoming a completely human human and coming to grips with the thoughts and emotions and experiences that this two-legged, furless thing with fleshy tubes where her hooves should be containing her personhood now entails. - as well as falling desperately in love with her human rider, and yes they do have sex (not as a horse) regrettably
The Forgotten Beasts of Eld is effectively The King of Elfland's Daughter in reverse, except far more visceral and real despite the dreamlike language.

[Anonymous No.23227579]

>>23226868
>>23227449
do you guys have similar recs?

[Anonymous No.23227582]

>2024
>Prince of Nothing 2003
Over two decades and still untoppled.

[Anonymous No.23227583]

>>23226868
Can't find this on anna's archive. Got a dl linK?

[Anonymous No.23227589]

>>23227579
Nadelman's God

[Anonymous No.23227596]

>>23220688
What do y'all think about arcane ascension? I'm liking it so far but why is the mc such a faggot, as in likes men. And apparently he dates a non-binary thing later on in the series? Just why? [\spoiler]

[Anonymous No.23227607]

>>23227583
It was posted on mobilism, but all the links are dead.
You can try to request it on there or stop being a poorfag and just purchase it like I did.

[Anonymous No.23227609]

>>23227583
You can read a preview on Amazon to see if it seems worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.23227615]

>>23227607
no thanks i won't read it if i can't get it for free.

[Anonymous No.23227620]

>>23227615
Very jewish of you.

[Anonymous No.23227624]

>>23227620
nah, there's too many stuff worth getting for free, and in my situation i do not have money to spend on digital nonsense.

[Anonymous No.23227634]

>>23227620
>>Paying money for goods and services that you can get for free
>>Not buying shit you can't afford/don't want to buy
Why don't you consoooom like we do, anon?

[Anonymous No.23227678]

>>23225001
Is Neptune's Brood as oversexed as Saturn's Children?

[Anonymous No.23227679]

Any prog fantasy like picrel? No chink slop or lit-rpg stuff please. No isekai or gamelit either. So far I've read the cradle series, Sufficiently Advanced Magic, picrel, supreme magus (didn't finish it because it got too cringe for my comfort) and mage errant. My lit-rpg rule is kinda loose so long as it isn't too overt and doesn't have actual dnd stats all over the place. Cheers

[Anonymous No.23227682]

>>23227679
Forgot to add the pic

[Anonymous No.23227754]

>>23227488
Earlier novels were surprisingly decent because creators actually cared how they expanded the setting.

[Anonymous No.23227891]

>>23227562
>far more visceral and real
How?

[Anonymous No.23227976]

I can't find Stepford Wives anywhere. Can anyone drop me a link?

[Anonymous No.23228084]

>>23227331
Let's not get carried away here. He may be a schizophrenic mass murderer but he's not so far gone to be a chinkposter.

[Anonymous No.23228159]

I need to complain, guys. I need to vent.
I read most of alastair reynolds' revelation space stuff years ago, when it was fairly new. Then I find out he's come back to it, years later, and... fuck.

I know he can write complete shit, I read terminal world and hated it, but god damn inhibitor phase was terrible. Just a chase from macguffin to macguffin, while masturbating over his ageing author fav character. I am genuinely mad about how bad it was.

[Anonymous No.23228251]

>>23226098
Because he was born to be chad, but he is raised as a country bumpkin where his adoptive father is a woodsman that fortune would have it, is one of the most dangerously skilled men of martial skill in the world. But Rand learns basic survival and village ettiquette, being thrust into the limelight where he meets people so far above his station he spills full italian dinners worth of pasta and spaghetti because he's a bumpkin. Then he has to develop further from the farm with voices in his head GET OUT OF MY HEAD LEWS, various factions wanting to use him or kill him.
If anything his bursts of competence and random wills to power in climactic moments instead of insanity and failure is outlier. *le swordfights in the sky with forsaken with muh HERON blade*

Rand is kino and when he starts to pull rank and put bitches in their place it's a great payoff.

[Anonymous No.23228384]

>>23228159
You say that like revelation space wasnt complete shit. I read it after house of suns and was amazed the same man wrote both. Just how much worse is inhibitor phase?

[Anonymous No.23228410]

>>23228384
>how much worse is it?
a lot worse. He goes back and fills in a bunch of mysteries and questions with bad answers, the plot is meant to happen after absolution gap's main plot but before the greenfly shit kicks off, and it basically just jumps from set piece to set piece chasing the item they need to get the next item to find the thing that can get them the other thing.
There's none of the "multiple plots happening in different places, waiting to crash together", there's no new worldbuilding, just explaining things that were fine being left unexplained, and then there's masturbating over Nevil Clavain who is, like palpatine, back somehow.

And then at the end they find a mysterious, physics-ruining mystery device that does something spooky to the inhibitors and that hurts to look at.

So it's not even anything fucking new

it's a couple hundred pages of shitty "hey 'member this event? I'm doing it again!" followed by "what if the hypometric weapon... but scarier!!"

I finished it but I wish I hadn't. All it did was make what came before worse by association or Authorial Headcanon.

[Anonymous No.23228443]

>>23227679
Weirkey Chronicles is like the one remotely good prog fantasy series you have left
Changeling is also good but I'd give it like 2 years wait to build up chapters, calamitous bob by the same author is solid but has too many stat boxes for you

[Anonymous No.23228625]

New!
>>23228624
>>23228624
>>23228624

[Anonymous No.23228852]

>>23227679
Haven't read that since I don't particularly like timeloops, but I enjoyed Practical Guide to Sorcery

[Anonymous No.23228885]

>>23228443
>>23228852
Thank you anons, will give those a try

[Anonymous No.23228892]

>>23228885
oh zombie knight is fun too, forgot that one but it's a webnovel and is paced accordingly