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Hey /lit/, the crushing loneliness is getting to me. I would like to socialize with like minded people who put effort into intelligent pursuits. You know, interesting people who critically think and philosophize. The kind of people who still retain a glimmer and shine in their eyes, not that lack-luster sheen of cow eyes that most people have.

Where would you say is a place in any given urban setting where intelligent people congregate for the purposes of socializing?

I was thinking jazz/art bars...I have compiled a list to go check out. Any other places?

P.S I really hate posers and pretenders: aka, The books that I'm reading right now is Ulysses and I like it. Or, I'm reading something that you never heard of.

Especially people who aren't interdisciplinary learners, really hate those people (the 99%).

>> No.2268260

>>2268259
> interesting people who critically think and philosophize
Interesting people never philosophize.

>> No.2268284

gotta be troll thread.
join a book group, jerkoff

>> No.2268298

Yo OP just chill out and make friends with plenty of people. There will be a higher proportion of posers and pretenders to "real" people in jazz/art bars than in, say, your school or workplace.

The kind of people you want to meet are few and far between and they would never restrict themselves to socializing only with "interesting people who critically think and philosophize". Those "posers and pretenders" you speak of pose and pretend because of their fears and misgivings. They're human.

And to presume yourself superior to them is to become one of them.

>> No.2268300

fuck you

>> No.2268306

>>2268259
Stop being so arrogant.

This is actual, honest advice.
A truly social person, a truly intelligent or 'philosophical' person who critically thinks is never really smart until they learn that it's that exact mentality that disallows them to properly socialise with anyone that isn't exactly like themself.

>> No.2268312

>>2268298
word

>> No.2268317

University bars is ur best ges, i think. Thats wat i do and hav had the best results with. I am an inter-disiplinary lerner (polymath), but those ar prety rare to find. I hav found only a few with a jenuine interest acros many feelds.

Stil, i socialize with lots of peeple that ar not inter-disiplinary lerners, but at leest they ar lerning and enjoy lerning about one thing. On averaj, i find that peeple that study natural sienses ar the smartest. For that reeson, i like to stik to those bars, especialy the fysiks bar.

The nonstandard spelings ar on purpos for languaj reform reesons. See,e g.: http://www.spellingsociety.org/

>> No.2268333

>>2268300
Not OP
>>2268298
I appreciate your candor and honesty, but I rarely voice my opinions of others (because it is a recipe for disaster). I have gotten to know enough about a lot of my classmates at university. To say the least, I am not really impressed.

Simply put, most people don't care about themselves enough.

I for instance, put pressure on myself to work out 3 times a week, to make A grades as much as possible, to eat healthy, and to know learn about different fields other than my own. I find everything in the universe fascinating.

Then comes along a half-chinese half-white girl, who is reading Vanity Fair. Then my impression of her is ruined as she starts talking about herself: she is reading the book because she has seen the movie. She gets her belly button pierced. She has stupid little quirks that she tries to use to look "cute".

Pffft. My school ranks in the top 10 universities in the world for English, yet I am rather disappointed by the quality of my fellow student body.

Nevermind that.

I guess there isn't a place for intelligent people to hang out? People who are interested in learning more than "one thing".

>> No.2268335

>>2268333

you know whats a really cool self improvement? trying not to be judgmental

>> No.2268342

>>2268333
>>2268335
Don't listen to that post, OP.
Everyone judges everyone, it's all about acting on it and how you perceive it.

Although, rather than have such distaste toward people that don't seem particularly 'intelligent' to you, ignore them, and simply keep an eye out for people who do take your interest.

It may seem slightly clich­e, but being exclusively kind and ignoring those you don't wish to engage with are good traits and habits.

>> No.2268348

>>2268333
Im afraid ther is no polymath sosiety. At leest, afain. Finding other peeple using Google is difikult becus ther is an ongoing math projekt kalled "polymath", as in, many (poly) peeple doing math. I suspekt that, IRL, polymaths ar almost imposible to find. At leest, one living nearby. I hav looked extensivly at my university and havnt found many. One found me. Finding a polymath girl/woman is probably waste of time. :P

>> No.2268358

going to art/jazz bars is going to disappoint you just like going to college/grad school bars is going to disappoint you.

i used to feel like you, until i realized a few things:
1. i'm not special, nor are my thoughts in some way "better" or "deeper than even the most "jersey shore'ish" looking fucktard
2. if you just go out an make some friends, youll be surprised at how "deep" or interesting some people view life.

>> No.2268376

>>2268358
Dude...most people just don't care.

They don't care about Politics, History, Literature, Science, etc etc

They are just rats running through a maze to get the cheese. They will, like robots, do their assigned task so that they can do their "favorite thing"

If it be men, then they probably like to play vidya and bust a nut to porn (daily). (such is the sad state of men today)

Whether it be women, who browse on facebook and wait for the weekend to get drunk/whatever, live like a narcissistic paparazzi princess, then post said pics to their internet page of self-worship.

My society sickens me. Nobody wants to make something timeless. Nobody wants to break the mold. Every chance on earth, and it's squandered on mediocrity.

Fuck.

>> No.2268378

>>2268333
>>2268298 here.
I'm gonna take a page from Bertrand Russell and say that the person who can appreciate many things is happier than the person who cannot. I'm not saying that you should partake in everything indiscriminately, but merely to appreciate everyone for who they are even if you perceive them as being tunnel vision societal lab rats. Also, there are few Renaissance men in modern times due to the extent of knowledge in most fields. Most people either have breadth but no depth in their knowledge, or have intimate knowledge of one area but none in any other.

If you got to know some of your classmates well, you might find that they diverge from the image in your head. I like to think that I'm a bit of a polymath. I read literature; play several instruments; routinely study math, physics, and chemistry; speak multiple languages; and exercise every other day. However, in public I'm usually discussing other people's interests. I appear to be just another guy. My point is, OP, that you probably walk past plenty of the kind of person you want to meet but you would never know because you dismiss them as simply one of the masses. Don't forget that the masses are comprised of many individuals.

>> No.2268379

>>2268376
somebody post that xkcd

>> No.2268381

>>2268376
As >>2268358 roughly said, this is the view of someone without friends. You just want to justify being alone by pretending it's a choice. Just try and be more accepting of people who may not be identical to you. Everyone has ideas, hopes, dreams, all that shit. Sure, there's garbagemen who are happy doing just that, never once think of picking up a book, and you may not have a lot with them in common. But writing off everyone as being like that is fucking idiotic.

>> No.2268384

OP, read "Jocoserious Joyce" when you finish Ulysses. It's fantastic Ulysses commentary that will help you grow up (it will help you to stop idolizing Stephen).

Jazz bars are out - the music drowns out conversation. Coffee shops are full of hipsters who think like you do (no offense, but that's how it is).

Nobody wants to be bothered at a library. Search meetup.com for book clubs or groups that interest you. Hit up college/uni lectures. Be conversant with people you meet anywhere.

tl;dr Don't idolize Stephen. Consider Bloom (no spoilers): he meets all sorts of people and he has compassion for all of them. That makes him a hero.

>> No.2268388

>>2268376

you can't make the statement "most people don't care." its fucking stupid. people care - just not the way you want them to. you aren't some intellectual master race.

maybe self-absorbed people like you keep what you are calling "most people" from ever speaking out on issues to or around you because you are just too much of a hassle to talk to because you think there is some threshold, quantifiable level of "caring" that only a select few satisfy.

get over yourself. you just might not be worth their time, bro.

>> No.2268389

>>2268378
>>2268378
Could you tell me more about yourself?

>> No.2268391
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>>2268379
Or you could enroll at St. John's College and hang with snobby aspies.

"Nice weather out."
"That is a sweeping claim."

>> No.2268393

>>2268378
>Also, there are few Renaissance men in modern times due to the extent of knowledge in most fields. Most people either have breadth but no depth in their knowledge, or have intimate knowledge of one area but none in any other.

Yeah, I heard in the mid 18th-early19th century it was possible for one person to know all of mankind's current scientific knowledge. It's totally impossible for anyone to do that now.

>> No.2268405

OP, do you actually listen to/enjoy jazz, or are you going to be the exact kind of poseur you're talking about by hanging around in jazz bars for reasons that have nothing to do with the music?

>> No.2268407

>>2268393

Im fairly sertain it was bak then alredy. However, one need not no everything to be a polymath, one need only be an expert in multiple not very related feelds. Wen i think of polymaths, i think of Francis Galton, a truly impresiv felow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Galton

Also, i forgot to see erlyr, OP, it is quite useful to rite experts emails. Ofen, an expert in a feeld kan help one selekt the best reeding material for watever it is that one is trying to lern about. I hav had a good experiens with many peeple i hav riten to. Richard Lynn, for instans, prooved to be very ko-operativ, sending me two entire books of his, and pointing me in a good direktion in other kases.

>> No.2268410

>>2268389
Okay. I'm 18. I'm currently listening to Au Lait by Pat Metheny Group and in a few hours I'll probably go geocaching with some friends. I recently read The Crying of Lot 49 by Thomas Pynchon and thought it was spectacular. I enjoy candlelight dinners, long walks on the beach, and launching small bits of metal out of metal tubes at several hundred feet per second at sheets of paper.

>> No.2268412

>>2268407
Why do you type like that?

>> No.2268413
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2268413

Jazz thread!

>> No.2268421

>>2268405
I'm not an expert, but I do have about 6ish albums of jazz on in my music folder. Some of which include artists such as:

Miles Davis
Nina Simone
Billie Holiday
Ella Fitzgerald
John Coltraine
Chet Baker

I also have a Bossa Nova album.

But to tell the truth, I wouldn't be able to name all the artists off the top of my head. But I do believe I know enough to appreciate the genre and know good jazz from bad jazz: aka Jazz which is just a mash up of improvisations of a scale and chord progressions or Jazz which is composed beforehand and is very tight structure with expertly crafted segments of tactful improvisation.

Jazz played by a professional, not a junkie monkey fiddling for a banana.

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>>2268413

>> No.2268426

>>2268407
I can't really take you seriously, sorry bub.

>> No.2268428

>>2268421
You'll be fine, brah. But a little Charles Mingus (Mingus Ah Uhm) wont hurt if you want to take things up a notch.

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>>2268421

>> No.2268433

>Where would you say is a place in any given urban setting where intelligent people congregate for the purposes of socializing?

Postgraduate classes and university conferences. Cheers.

>> No.2268444

>>2268433
>intelligent people

>> No.2268458

I try my best to put everyone on the same level and keep my mind open, but whenever I end up watching a clip of a reality TV show angst comes knocking.

>> No.2268471

>>2268421

Everybody listens to those artists, look into Jazz further if you're actually going to be shooting the shit at Jazz Jams and other concerts. But you seem like someone who's not really interested in knowing the subject, just appearing like you do due to the crowd you hang out with.

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>>2268421
>But I do believe I know enough to appreciate the genre and know good jazz from bad jazz
No, you don't have the slightest idea.

>> No.2268474

>>2268421

>a junkie monkey fiddling for a banana

lol the fuck is this shit

>> No.2268480

>>2268421
>implying silly shit about jazz composition
>implying many professional jazz musicians are not also junkie monkeys
Please enlighten me as to what a qualifies a "professional" jazz musician to you, sir.

>> No.2268489

>>2268333
Wanting to hang out with people like yourself is a good way to spend more time alone. Seriously, stop being so arrogant. Embrace difference. You might not get any smarter, but clearly you've got a lot of room left to grow wiser.

>> No.2268504

I feel like it's one person making all these threads.

>> No.2268510

>>2268504
4chan is really jsut one epic self-troll arguing with himself perpetually

>> No.2268512

>>2268489
OK! So let's talk about something guys!

Hey guy! What's up!?! What are you hobbies and what do you want to talk about

>Well, I mostly play skyrim and jerk off to multiple creampie gangbangs. I watch Breaking Bad and I like watching sports and getting drunk. I also like cars too. I'm studying in university, but I hate talking about what I study and school.

Hey chickiepoo, let's talk about something, what are your interests?

>Well, I like shopping and eating good food. I like gabbing with my friends and watching gossip girl. Make up is fun too. I spend most of my time talking about other people and facebooking. I live to go to clubs. I exclusively prostitute myself to a guy so that he can drive me places, buy me things, and generally help me have a good time doing stuff that gives me pleasure.

You know what I'm saying applies to a lot of people.

>> No.2268522

>>2268512

As far as television shows go, Breaking Bad is good. Not sure why you felt the need to use it within that context.

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>>2268522
Scum detected.

>> No.2268532

>>2268512
You have a fucking terrible attitude. Yes, there are a lot of dull, vapid, self-interested people out there.
There also exists a subset of the population that is intelligent, kind, and engaging. These people are not anomalies, they don't all hang out together, and they certainly don't self-identify as being exceptional or superior. They are genuine people with unique sets of interests and hobbies, and you can meet them by being friendly and honest and by leaving your pseudointellectual superiority complex at home.

Seriously? "the 99%"? your posts in this thread are already sufficient to indicate that you're probably not in the 1st percentile of intelligence. Learn some goddamn humility.

If you're bored by every single person you meet, you're probably spending too much time in the suburbs and/or high school.

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>>2268530
plebeian detected

>> No.2268547

>>2268317
what about the nonstandard grammar? Is that for verb reform reasons?

arrogant, tripfagging, sonofabitch. leave forever.

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>>2268530

I mentioned the shows value in context other television shows in the mainstream and you still feel the need to act bourgeois?

>> No.2268570

There's some bug in this thread who (purposefully?) uses awful English. Don't have an idea what he said though, my internet filter seems to detect and block everything in the first 2 words if it rings the idiot alarm.

>> No.2268578

>>2268570
are you talking about language reform anon

language reform anon is awesome

>> No.2268580

English is in bad need of reform. I agree with the anon in this thred.

>> No.2268592

>>2268532

Obviusly, im not him, but:

Top 1% is not that hard. Its only about IQ 135,
using standard valus, i.e., meen=100, sd=15. If he is a male or a jew, then 135 is eeven mor likely.

I expect that the meen IQ on 4chan is a bit over averaj, so that raises the base rate a bit.

http://www.random-science-tools.com/maths/normal-distribution.htm

>> No.2268604

>>2268547

Id suport varius reform proposals about reforming gramar as wel. Altho kurently, i dont hav a spesifik proposal in mind. Unles one konsiders somthing like merjing "your" and "you're" into "ur", wich is comon praktise anyway (and they ar fonetikaly the same to begin with). Cut Speling (a spesifik proposal for EN), aktualy, does not inklude that.

Id very much like to see a jender-neutral pronoun, so i dont hav to bother with "s/he". Id like to hear ideas.

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2268605

you read ALONE
you write ALONE

>> No.2268607

>>2268605
no crew to keep your crown of thorns

>> No.2268610

>>2268604
Jesus that's tough to read.

Subtitles:
Jeezus thatz tuff to reed.

>> No.2268617

>>2268604
>Id very much like to see a jender-neutral pronoun, so i dont hav to bother with "s/he". Id like to hear ideas.
They already tried that dude.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_neutral_pronouns#Summary

>> No.2268624

>>2268512
Sometimes people who talk about their interests like that are actually smart and have more stuff they're interested in but won't tell them to someone they've just met. I know when I meet people I don't start rambling about my thoughts on determinism.

>> No.2268722

>>2268617

Thanks for that. Im alredy aware that peeple hav kom up with proposals but didnt no that ther was a Wiki artikle about it. :)

Il try to reed it tomorow. I hav red too much today and i am not sleepy. (Reeding Dennett's Darwin's Dangerous Idea)

>> No.2268746

>>2268532
>>2268592
I know top 1% is not that hard, but OP is such a colossal faggot that I doubt he places in the first percentile.

>> No.2268748

>>2268604
>>2268722
This is actually really easy to read.

>> No.2268759

Language reform anon, do you not understand that English has ~40 contrastive phonemes but only 26 letters? Plus we steal hella foreign words and use extremely diverse accents. English is simply not well-suited to very phonemic orthography. If you don't like this, learn another language, and please stop bitching about the functionality of English. If you have a hard time spelling, read moar.

>> No.2268765

>thinking jazz/art bars
>hate posers and pretenders

Good luck I think your stay will be short. I suggest getting a job.

>> No.2268785

>>2268592
Your statistics are wrong, or maybe right for america(?). <1% has IQ of >145. I know because I missed out on Mensa after getting 142.

Besides, outside of institutional necessity, no one takes IQ seriously.

>> No.2268789

Your lonely "intellectual" tears, I drink them up.

Any scene you go to whether art or jazz or whatever will be rife with politicking and drama, that's what scenes are for.

You are obviously massively prejudiced and a huge wanker, but why don't you try to go somewhere where people actually do what you're interested in. if it's literature then join a book club or literary discussion circle or something.

>> No.2269727

>>2268785

No, they ar korekt. U talk about 145 IQ, i talked about IQ 135. Yes, 145 is <1% of a population with meen=100, sd=15. It is 0.13498980%, using the same tool as befor.

As far as u not geting into mensa with that skor, i supose it is bekus u took an older test. They used sd=24 insted of sd=15. In that kase, IQ 142 is 0.030396362 (≈3%) of the population, i.e., not low enof to qualify for mensa (has to be top 2%).

>Besides, outside of institutional necessity, no one takes IQ seriously.

Im not quite sure about wat to say about such obviusly fals statements. Peeple who make such statements usualy folow up with No True Scotsman falacys. Anyway, ther is an entire journal dedikated to intelijens reserch, hereunder IQ reserch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_%28journal%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

>> No.2269730

>>2268759

Mor like 50.

The last part does not, ofk, folow from the rest. I kud make up varius analojys to show this but my experiens is that peeple that make such statements ar unlikely to be konvinsed no matter wat, so i rather save time.

The fakt of the matter is that English (and my nativ languaj, Danish) is in a teribly 'shape' bekus it has been neglekted for many years wen it needed a repair. Languajes ar much alike to enjineering.

As for using another languaj, i think that every kountry shud introduse Esperanto in their skools. This has been shown time and time again to speed up the akquisition of other languajes. So much that lerning Esperanto first aktualy saves time. Very interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaedeutic_value_of_Esperanto

>> No.2269738

>>2269730
But leveng languajes ar konstantly eevolving and wen u typ lyk this it seemz az tho u hav a brayn tumor

>> No.2269750

>>2269738

Yes, they chanj, and so? Wen the pronunsiation of words chanj, the orthografy has to folow suit. Otherwise, the diferens between speling and sound increeses, and this is somthing one wants to avoid.

Il gladly pay the prise of a few peeple thinking that i am stupid.

>> No.2269766

It feels funny when you do it with the turkish spelling.

Yes, dey çeync, end so? Ven dı pronansieyşın ov vords çeync, dı ortografi hez tu falov suit. Adırvayz, dı difrıns bitviğn speling end saund inkıriğzis, end diz iz samting van vants tu avoyd/ıvoyd.

Ayıl gladli pey dı prays ov a füv piğpıl tinking det ay em stuğpid

>> No.2269817

>>2268333
I used to feel the same way about vanity fair, then I read it. It was one of the best magazines I've read. Had an excerpt from m lewis' new book about the California economy, had a piece about a daughter of a ww2 diplomat, (Churchill sung and danced the night he heard about the pearl harbor attack, 'cause he knew the yanks would join in the war proper.). And an excerpt about a guy who became a writer in the 70s by norman mailer sending him to new York.

Tl;dr, Never be snobby about something unknown.

>> No.2269845

>>2268532

I grow tired of this weakness. This is, simply, not true. Let me qualify my position first: I, like OP, have been educated at America's "top institutions"; I have only lived in major cities or university campuses (e.g. not the suburb).

My experience has taught me one thing: people are bland, ignorant, self-seeking or pedantic. To suggest that OP's position is "pseudointellectual" only denotes your own inferiority: he merely wants to engage in critical dialogue with people who can sustain intensive analysis over multiple issues. What I hate about your attitude is the herd mentality it represents--if one claims to be superior, then you strike them down with vaguely normative terms that situate yourself as a paragon of fairness. You are boring, and prove unworthy of OP's demands.

The truth of our world is simple: there are few that claim the title of intelligence. They are few, and far in between. I do not rely on IQ measurements, for they tell you nothing about creativity; I do not rely on standardized tests, for they evaluate standard minds. There is an ineffable quality of the genuinely intelligent that cannot be quantified or even classified--it is a unique draw that spawns from an original stance, a rare power that culminates in subtle charisma and deep isolation.

>> No.2269846

>>2269845

But this isolation need not be seen as unfortunate. The true intellect need only look within, withdrawing from the public interface which breeds only copied opinions and arrogant stupidity. I have only found 3 other individuals in my life that were capable of rolling with me intellectually--and all three were by chance.

OP, if you are genuinely intelligent, the places you've selected will not bring the satisfaction you seek. Book clubs, jazz shows, art galleries--all have become cultural focal points that self-select a particular kind of phony.

The best you can do, I suppose, is cultivate your own garden. Either that or check out UChicago. I haven't attended, but from what I understand they still give a damn or two about the legitimate transvaluation of ideas.

>> No.2269847

oh hey, rapture's back

>> No.2269853

just as a reminder, he's that guy who tried to impress /lit/ (and succeeded) with pics of his 900+ book library that he'd read in its entirety, and he was only 22 at the time

>> No.2269854

>>2269847
Cool.

>> No.2269855

>>2269853
And his movies, and his car. And we made him get a trip, so that when he claimed to have this lifestyle in the future we would remember that it's true.

>> No.2269856

>>2269847

I never left. I currently live in an area where 4chan is blocked "due to IP address abuse." I'm home for the holidays, so I have free reign.

>>2269853

I'm still 22; my birthday is in May.

I'm surprised anyone remembers that...

>> No.2269857

>>2269855
his movies sucked tho.

>> No.2269859

also he listens to shitty music

>> No.2269860

>>2269859
Everyone listens to shitty music.

>> No.2269861

>>2269855

In retrospect, my method was tacky--but it worked. I suppose I'm embarrassed to claim the identity, but in my defense I was drunk at the time of posting my original stuff oh-so-many months ago.

My intention was merely to prove that I have a certain basis for my comments--that basis is useless without my own thoughts to back it up, granted, but it was a basis nonetheless.

>> No.2269862

>>2269860
I do, but only involuntarily

>> No.2269863

>>2269856
/lit/ has a pretty stable core community, I'd wager, so it's not surprising that people around then would be around still. And of course we remember; it was interesting, and you pop up often enough to keep the memory fresh.

>> No.2269864

>>2269861
yeah yeah, drunk posting, the classic defense. though I do recall you mentioning it at the time, so whatever. you seemed fairly lucid, though.

>> No.2269865

>>2269861
It's not like there was another way to go about it. I don't blame you.

>> No.2269868

>>2269864

I don't think lucidity necessarily correlates to your level of intoxication. I'm 5 shots and 2 joints in right now, and I think I can still articulate my thoughts...just gotta take my time and edit is all

>> No.2269869

get off of 4chan and get outside, talk to people for a start. Christ. I know this "we are all Anonymous" shit is king shit here, but fuck me, basic social skills can solve 99% of your problems with getting laid. The other 1%...try Tor...

>> No.2269877

this is now a rapture thread. rapture, how many languages do you know?

>> No.2269882

>>2269877

I'm not sure how to respond to this. If I accept your invite, then I look arrogant and self-centered, displacing OP's intention to keep alive what is perhaps a worthwhile topic. On the other hand, I do not know OP, and his question itself bothered me a little due to the ostensible ignorance of his request--I've always felt that, if you have to go on 4chan to ask how to "get" it, well, you ain't ever gonna get it.

I will answer your question for the time being. I speak 3: English, French, German. I know ancient Greek and Latin as well, but I cannot speak them.

>> No.2269883

900 books of fiktion or nonfiktion or mixed? If it is 900 pajes of nonfiktion, then im impresed. Im at about 100 nonfiktion books and im also 22.

>> No.2269890

>>2269883

I'm not sure the numbers of my full library (I had the luck of being born into a family that already had a substantial library), but my personal that I move around with is about 1.5K. It's mixed between non-fiction and fiction.

>> No.2269892

>>2269882
There's a guy here who knows like 7. YOU'RE BEAT. AHAHAHAAH

>> No.2269897

>>2269892

I knew this one kid in college that, no joke, could operate in 11.

I think whoever is in the station of the pope tends to be an impressive polyglot as well, usually able to converse in upwards of 15.

In the academic community that I've been a part of, the numbers tend to range between 3 and 7, depending on your interests. 7 is obviously rarer and at the extreme, though I have met a handful that can legitimately claim fluency...

>> No.2269902

>>2269892

So I was curious: the world record for fluency in foreign languages seems to be a topic of suspect. Some claim Harold Williams at 58; others claim István Dabi at 103; and still others have chosen a small handful in between. In any case, that's a shitton of languages known by a single linguist.

>> No.2269996

This guy is prety impresiv inre. lerning foren langs.

http://foreignlanguageexpertise.com/
http://www.youtube.com/user/ProfASAr?feature=g-user-u

Useful vidoes as wel.

>> No.2270046

>>2268410I'm 18
>decrying the world and society as if you know anything at 18

oooh getting douche chills from this one

>> No.2270357

>>2268512
Everything you do is just as stupid and vain and empty. You can preach about the pursuit of knowledge for knowledge's sake and the betterment of the self and on and on, but at the end of the day it would be just the same if you spent all the time you used to "philosophize" to beat off or watch hours of television. Or, I dunno, bitch about the state of society on 4chan.

>> No.2270371

>Go to university
>hang out with the postgrad english lit students

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>>2270357

Absolutely not. You again approach the topic obviously from the standpoint of one trying to sublimate their own weakness--"beat off and watch hours of television"--into a legitimate existential claim. Grow up. The pursuit of knowledge leads to understanding, understanding to balance, and balance to happiness. Quite simply: the smarter you are, and the more incisively and carefully you cultivate your talents and interests, the more you simply get from this world.

Let's look at it this way: I can either jack off and watch tv, as your pathetic dumbass suggests, or I can pick up Wittgenstein. I jack off and watch tv--what am I left with? A handful of cum and a headache. What do I derive from Wittgenstein? I learn about language games and certainty. From this, I extrapolate a basic premise: that my condition of certainty is predicated upon the interlocking language games in which I am enmeshed.From here, I believe the answer runs something like this: at the heart of every act is intention; behind every intention is a force of intention; this force of intention is composed of conditioning language-games which provide the contextual boundaries involved in the production of methodology; the essence of each language-game is an implicit affirmation of a particular ontological utterance (see de Certeau's "yes," or Derrida's "denials") that is, in itself, a speech-act that conditions the contextual potentiality of speech-acts themselves. Thus, the root of every action, however minuscule, habitual or trivial each may appear, is the subjective repetition of a particular ontological arrangement--e.g. of a particular reality.

>> No.2270854

>>2270849

From this, let us assume that Aristotle's claim that ""All men naturally have an impulse to know" is a basic truth. If we took a line of argument close to Parmenides or Descartes thought ("Being and thought are one"; "Cogito ergo sum"), then this "natural impulse to know" would also coincide with a natural impulse to Be: thus, if we subscribe to an evolutionary unfolding of knowledge a la Karl Popper, then the natural impulse to broaden one's thought is met by the natural impulse to broaden one's being--thus, the language-games that surface along a evolutionary trajectory of thought/language (Hegel's dialectic of history) structure radically new practices, ways of acting, and ways of knowing (e.g. defining, explaining; power is very quickly implied in these proceedings, as, broadening Foucault, the greatest power is the power to define what power is). Knowledge's relationship to power is here articulated in full: the greater the knowledge, the greater the range of practices available. That the overman, e.g. the one who follows his impulse "like a sinking star beyond the utmost bounds of human thought", is the one with greater knowledge is simply to say he is the one with greater being, e.g. he is the one who may do and achieve more with his action than the one whose knowledge is lacking, or whose impulse is weak.

>> No.2270856

>>2270854
>>2270849
tl;dr
Sum it up in a haiku, rapture.

>> No.2270858

10/10 would kick you in the shins again

>> No.2270863

>>2270854

What do I get from reading Wittgenstein, Aristotle and the lot? I acquire the tools to manipulate not only others, to strategize incisively and accurately, to maintain an imperturbable balance that rests content as the rest of the world splits--I in fact gain the tools to manipulate reality itself. I find the points of certainty in any person's line of argument; I exploit their assumptions; I turn them into negative descriptive; I assault causal linkages; I turn their most fundamental beliefs on their head. I become a social entrepreneur par excellence, using Wittgenstein and Bourdieu here, Burke and Panofsky there--and in between, I become a better learner. The more I learn, the more I grow; it is an exponential phenomenon, and, as I argued right before, the stability of my being is commensurate with the breadth and depth of my knowledge.

Jack off and watch your TV. In the meantime, I will be in the business of statecraft. Never complain to me about your condition when I impose upon it my laws, though--you had you chance, and blew it.

>> No.2270868

>>2270863
>the stability of my being is commensurate with the breadth and depth of my knowledge.
sure is spinoza around here

>> No.2270869

>>2270046
Dude you're mistaken.
>>2268298 and >>2268378 are my posts.

You should try reading the entire thread next time.

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>>2270863
>>2270868
Ass2ass!

>> No.2270883

>>2270863
All I see is a little babby trying to impress people. You should know that the hallmark of a pseudo-intellectual is reiterating what others have said i.e. your whole post. You're not as smart as you think you are.

>> No.2270889

>>2270863
> I will be in the business of statecraft

You are willingly going pursue this profession? Good luck, your sanity will need it, especially if you expect people to listen to considered debate.

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>>2270863
and yet you still live in your mother's basement.

>> No.2270906

>>2270849
>>2270854
>>2270863

Great taste, want to fuck?

>> No.2270928

>>2270890
>>2270883

Posts like this confuse me. I argue against someone's opinion that "jacking off and watching tv" is of equal value to devoting your time to the pursuit of knowledge, and this makes me a pseudointellectual? I do not see the connection. Unless you have an argument against mine, then you merely succumb to blatant ad hominem attacks without any reference to a counter perspective. This is a weak argument. And yes, I am as smart as I think I am. I do not seek your approval; I do not need it. I do not know you, nor do I care to. This is a forum board devoted to the exchange of ideas--I pick those that I find stupid and attack them. Simple as that. If you disagree with my methods or opinions, then provide justification as to why and how. Otherwise, you contribute nothing, and instead try to draw me down to your level by reiterating "pseudointellectual," "pretentious," "arrogant," etc. over and over again. Simply stating something does not make it true. Where is the certainty here? I do not see it, and I doubt that you have a valid answer.

>> No.2270931

>>2270890

I'm confused by this one, too. I explicitly stated in a previous post that I am home for the holidays, so I suppose you win on a technicality insofar as I am currently at my parent's house. My room is on the second floor, though.

Otherwise, I do not live with my parents. I live in California; my parents are in DC.

>> No.2270938

>>2270928
See
>>2270889

>> No.2270940

>>2270889

I don't expect people to listen to considered debate. I've gone down the whole deliberative democracy route, spanning from Aristotle and Madison to Rawls, Cohen and Benhabib. I find their arguments idealistic and unconvincing. I prefer to be the individual behind the scenes, splitting my time eventually between political commitments and teaching.

>> No.2270943

>>2270928

Unfortunately, such posts ar very comon on /lit/.

>> No.2270946

>>2270931
>2011 for all of us
>not having a 2nd-story basement

>> No.2270948

>>2270928
>>2270943
See
>>2270878

>> No.2270963

I'm getting a degree from a top university in foreign languages. My best friend dropped out of A levels and became a tiler. He's a total bro. I like reading and writing poetry. He doesn't read at all. But it doesn't matter, because he's a total bro.

I only have one friend who's into reading and writing. Having said that, I only have about 3 friends.

>> No.2270985

>>2268421
I've been listening to Jazz for about 20 years and I still wouldn't say I know good Jazz from bad.

I know what I like.

BTW: A lot of artists had a monkey on their back. All the artists you listed except for Ella and Nina (I think) had their junk.

>> No.2270987

>Implying life has a meaning
>implying you are superior to someone because you read philosophy and are depressed
>having a deluded view of the masses

OP has the mindset of a teenager. we've all been there probably, but it's a matter of manning the fuck up. stop being so self-righteous. Talk to people.

And to thee asshol typng lik this: fuck you.

>> No.2271019

jazz clubs are mostly old people and rich people and band geeks and some hipsters

>> No.2271059

>>2269996
i think this guy has aspergers

>> No.2271068

>>2270987

OP's problem is not his distrust or dislike of the masses, which has occupied the considerations of virtually every legitimate thinker from Socrates to the founding fathers to Kant and Nietzsche. His problem, as I tried to articulate, is the need for others support, which registers as still a point of weakness. Of course, interpersonal recognition is fundamental to the process of self-creation, and those of us with half a mind need appropriate intellectual stimulus to better or abilities and mine the meaning out of our social identities. But I've never found a time when forcing this connection, e.g. in "seeking out" intelligent others based on cultural focal points, has led to the fulfillment OP wants. I think that the best course of action is to maintain a solid desirability to find others who are can challenge your beliefs, though with the expectation that this process is predominantly a matter of chance and is gradual by its very nature.

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>>2271068
This. You need to find someone who challenges you intellectually. It sounds like you're bored to me. Dreadfully bored.

Those places you listed, however, aren't the place to really try that stuff out, I've found. Meet some people. Listen to them talk and then talk them to a more relaxing setting where you can speak candidly.

>> No.2271092

>>2271068

>Of course, interpersonal recognition is fundamental to the process of self-creation,

Well, OP mentioned crushing loneliness.

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http://www.amazon.com/Ride-Tiger-Survival-Manual-Aristocrats/dp/0892811250/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qi
d=1323898451&sr=8-1

>> No.2271133

>>2271092

I merely suggest that loneliness need not be crushing, but, with the right mentality and will, can become a tremendous source of strength. I feel for OP insofar as I understand the debilitating repetition involved in wanting/expecting others to pursue legitimate intellectual interests, and being sourly disappointed to discover that they in fact don't, or, worse, spew pedantic platitudes (I like the alliteration between these two words) from silver-forked tongues. The cycle is boring and tiring, and sophistry is as alive today as it was in 470 BC. Trying to find others who do not necessarily have like minded methods or interests, but who can push you to radically interrogate your most fundamental assumptions and beliefs is a chance occurrence that comes only through a general openness towards one's surroundings. You may distrust the masses, as I feel is right, but that does not mean that you have to treat others poorly. Be polite; stick to your interests; articulate your ideas carefully and powerfully--and others who claim a legitimate right to bear academic and "interdisciplinary" predilections will eventually come.

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Sounds like you might just be a cunt, OP.

>> No.2271181

>>2271133

>I merely suggest that loneliness need not be crushing, but, with the right mentality and will, can become a tremendous source of strength

So just hope that one day you'll meet someone with real intellectual depth? Your message is a little encouraging but still wholly depressing. This life man.

>> No.2271206

>>2269845

>I grow tired of....

Haha what a cunt

>> No.2271235

>>2268317
>>2268348
Stop typing like that. You sound retarded.
If you want to learn a language that's actually useful, learn Lojban.

>> No.2271267

>>2271181
how hard do you actually work at what you do? are you moving up in an academic setting where you can expect to find smart, hard working people, or are you sitting on your ass so you'll never meet a happy smart person with friends who isn't a self important bitch?

>> No.2271269

Jazz/Art bars are full of pseudo intellectuals that have in depth conversations about political conspiracies which they know nothing about. College bars are where college kids go to live out a supplementary persona, a cooler version of themself. Meet like minded people through clubs and groups. If you join 5 clubs and meet one at each, get them all together. Get them to get their like minded peers. Form your own little society of elite minded individuals..

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>>2268259
the whole point is not to isolate yourself among those that are as smart or smarter than you. those dudes are fucking boring, anyway. guaranteed. the point of having a high IQ is to figure out how to interact with whomever you encounter. you aren't a butterfly in a glass menagerie, OP. you're smarter than dang near everyone you meet, so what are you afraid of? Out-think, them. enjoy people for who they are. if they're fucked-up or mean or whatever, figure out a way to make them think you're one of them or cooler than them or GTFO without them attacking you. other than that, you have nothing to worry about.

the fun part of being smarter than other folks is either relating to the cool ones on their level, and otherwise just pretending to be dumber than the assholes so you can straight troll them to their face. it's way funner than avoiding everyone and just hanging out with a bunch of insecure "intelligent" people.

>> No.2271796

>>2271795

This.

>> No.2272027

>>2271795
>figure out a way to make them think you're one of them
in other words, dumb it down
no thanks

>> No.2272126

>>2272027

I also find that it is rather imposible in praktis. I went to a larj festival (Roskilde Festival) this year, as i hav don the last 5 years (and wil next year). However, it is very hard to aktualy find somone interesting to talk with (that i didnt no beforhand). In fakt, the only interesting peeple i spoke with wer the the ones i new beforhand with one exeption: A frend of mine brot his frend along to meet me. He is aktualy prety smart and i stil talk with him this day (he atends the same university, one year below me). In fakt, i now funktion as his teecher. Altho he is smart, he is not so wel-red as i am.

That aside: The idea was then to drink myself mor stupid so as to mor eesyly konekt with peeple. Unfortunately, it does not seem quite posible to drink myself drunk enof to both: 1) konekt with most peeple ther, and 2) not fall asleep bekus of intoxination.

>>2271235
Smart peeple jeneraly do not think that i am retarded wen they reed my words. The way bad spelers deviate from standard EN is diferent from somone intentionaly using nonstandard spelings. And, ofk, the kontent is an obivus klue as wel.

>> No.2273734

Not OP here but I it wish people would fucking listen. I listen to everyone and have changed my mind multiple times on multiples issues. I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong about something. Yet almost everyone I meet can't fucking be wrong. Ever.

>> No.2274006

>>2268384

>Consider Bloom (no spoilers): he meets all sorts of people and he has compassion for all of them. That makes him a hero.

No, it really doesn't. Heroism and compassion are not mutually exclusive, but neither can one cause the other. In the overwhelming majority of instances compassion is a sign of weakness and cowardice on the part of the person feeling/dispensing it.

>> No.2274012

>>2268384

>tl;dr Don't idolize Stephen.

Don't idolise Stephen. Don't idolise Bloom. They do not get it. Don't idolise Joyce. He created these men who do not get it, and chose to spend much time with them, only going to prove that he did not get either. Choose better heros, choose Gods if you will. Even Jesus -King of the Betas- cam eto bring the sword. Pick out a hero wit ha weapon to idolise.

Kafka's last diary entry was spoken to directly to your heart, dear anon.

>you have weapons too

>> No.2274016

Check it out OP, take notes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TebUMhJAKSM

>> No.2274046

>>2269846
>>2269845

this is my problem: i still feel like everyone's a goddamn phony, and i'm almost 30, and i haven't even read Catcher in a decade, man.

i know i'm smarter than this, and i know people will just go "blah blah that's a CLICHE (because everything ever is now cliche, somehow, seriously how did that happen) you're not special you're just pretentious" but they are all so goddamn phony. i thought it would get better as we got older; it got worse. it's all pretend to them somehow.

>> No.2274064

>>2274046

Do you have a child, anon?

Living for someone else won't erase all the bullshit you're fretting about, but it will eliminate your reason to do so.

>> No.2274114

>>2270849

>Absolutely not. You again approach the topic obviously from the standpoint of one trying to sublimate their own weakness--"beat off and watch hours of television"--into a legitimate existential claim. Grow up. The pursuit of knowledge leads to understanding, understanding to balance, and balance to happiness. Quite simply: the smarter you are, and the more incisively and carefully you cultivate your talents and interests, the more you simply get from this world.

This is patently not true. You are taking the path to salvation that you have glimpsed as the only possible path to salavation. You quite possibly only allowed yourself to see this path because it is one that suits your temperament and aptitudes.

There is no guarantee that the pusuit of knowledge will result to understanding, and near endless examples to the contrary.

To say that "the smarter you are the more you get from life" is either false or, if you take being endowed by life as evidence of smartness, tautological.

It is also probably more high-minded to judge the value of a life not on *how much* a man gets, but on *what* he gets.

----[On first reading your post this concept sprang to mind in opposition:

http://www.philtar.ac.uk/encyclopedia/hindu/ascetic/sva.html

>> No.2274116

I use to casually dismiss everyone I meet who doesn't meet my standards of knowledge or opinion as a hack, phony, idiot, etc. and I was above them. Then I realized how unhappy I was, did some intensive thinking and meditation and realized I should change my expectations and habits.

From there on, I was able to make friends much easier, much less judgemental and much more humble as a person. As expected, I am personally happier, attend more parties where conversation is on Youtube videos, even though I do not drink, and am generally warming up.

My other crowds of friends, the "intellectual" people who will read from Saussure to Emma Goldman, from understanding linear algebra to high level computer programming. Though you can talk to them about these, they are also genuinely people who do not make every situation and every moment a seminar or tutorial or conference. Again the topic ranges from politics to life to everyday mundaneness. You don't force a lecture upon every moment, because you can't live like that.

So OP, learn to humble yourself. I underwent bitter isolation for a while, learned to be humble, thoughtful and an easier person to be around. From there on, not only did the "intelligent" not matter, but I found intelligent people I can both talk with and be close with.

By the way, you exhibit narcissism, which from loneliness often cultivates as it did for me. Again, this is not any way to make stupid or intelligent friends.