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[Anonymous No.22557030]

AI waifu Edition

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[Anonymous No.22557047]

NO-GOD WHEN

[Anonymous No.22557053]

I'm gonna read the best Celtic-mythology-inspired fantasy book ever written, and it's even written by a woman. You can try to stop me, but I know you don't care for my well-being.

[Anonymous No.22557065]

>>22557053
>best
I'll be the judge of that. What's it called?

[Anonymous No.22557086]

>>22557065
The Mabinogion Tetralogy by Evangeline Walton. Here's the first page.

[Anonymous No.22557107]

>>22557086
That's just as bad as all the constantly spammed web chinkshit here

[Anonymous No.22557127]

>>22557107
It's a perfectly adequate first page.

[Anonymous No.22557145]

Scott Lynch got his meds in order and even posted an excrept from his new book in January, isn't that nice?

https://scottlynch.substack.com/p/the-post-of-christmas-future

[Anonymous No.22557164]

Anyone else need a cheap editor? I'm free this week at https://www.fiverr.com/users/matthewg42/

If you tell me you're from /lit/, I can give you a coupon

[Anonymous No.22557177]

>>22557053
Stephen Lawhead isn't a woman...

[Anonymous No.22557221]

>>22557030
Do normies read anything else in fantasy?

[Anonymous No.22557232]

>>22557221
Also Sarah J Maas

[Anonymous No.22557255]

>>22557232
MAGNA

[Anonymous No.22557259]

>>22557221
Go to your library if you ever have a free day and look for fantasy books placed in the generic fiction section, there you'll find the normie-core. Tolkien, Maas, Gabaldon: all white-washed and made safe by being removed from the genre ghetto. Its much like sitcoms where I will never hear tell of swill with such names as "Ghosts" or "Bob Hearts Abishola" and yet it has millions of viewers. The casual female audience is actually the dominant one and it will never interact with the genre in the ways most of us want it to, nor can we even fully understand its whims.

[Anonymous No.22557284]

>>22557255
CUM

[Anonymous No.22557342]

What is good magical progression story that does not have retarded main character who also does not collects thotts?

[Anonymous No.22557343]

I know /sffg/ don't like minorities, but this is actually really fun and interesting, even if it's Egyptian steampunk.
https://www.tor.com/2019/02/07/excerpts-the-haunting-of-tram-car-015-p-djeli-clark/

[Anonymous No.22557357]

Where are you lastcurrentnext guy? Its been more than a few threads.

Post the
>last book you read
>current book you're reading
>next book you plan to read

[Anonymous No.22557414]

>>22557145
Heh so not only is he a schizo but an alcoholic schizo.

[Anonymous No.22557428]

>>22557357
>last book you read
Lud-in-the-Mist. Was a strange read altogether, had to go to to the dictionary at least a handful of time most chapters. Did not expect the thoroughly human and detailed characters. Shame about the lame ending, though.
>current book you're reading
Lattimore's Odyssey. Read through the Iliad twice, but this is my first time reading The Odyssey. Went with Lattimore's translation as his was the last read of The Iliad I did. I'm only 3 books in but so far: Telemachus is a beta, Pallas Athene is a fucking bro.
>next book you plan to read
Probably The White-Luck Warrior. The Judging Eye was probably the worst in the entire Second Apocalypse series so far, but it gave me the sense that Bakker is building up to something.
thank you for reading my blog

[Anonymous No.22557449]

>>22557086
I feel better about my own writing now

[Anonymous No.22557459]

>>22557086
>That day Pwyll
Dropped.

[Anonymous No.22557462]

>2023
>I am forgotten
How did this happen?

[Anonymous No.22557464]

Fanfiction writers and most webnovelists suck by the mere fact they have day jobs and only write in their spare time. Professional writers get advances and royalties, so they have all the time in the world to read and write.

[Anonymous No.22557468]

>>22557086
A fantasy novel about classical mythology composed in the style of the Ernest Hemingway school of writing has got to be the second most revolting piece of garbage I've ever heard of next to Marion Zimmer Bradley.

[Anonymous No.22557474]

>>22557342
Reverend insanity

[Anonymous No.22557477]

>>22557462
It didn't.

[Anonymous No.22557495]

>>22557462
Elric was literally discussed in the previous thread, you stupid fucking newfaggot.

[Anonymous No.22557504]

>>22557414
And a big fan of vaccines and facemasks

[Anonymous No.22557520]

>>22557357
>Post the
>>last book you read
My own book I wrote
>>current book you're reading
My own book I wrote
>>next book you plan to read
My own book I wrote

I don't think this editing is going to get any better to be honest

[Anonymous No.22557540]

>>22557462
Inferior writers took the best of elric

[Anonymous No.22557556]

>>22557357
>last book
Fifth Head of Cerberus
>current
Prophet of Edan
>next
Return to Edan

[Anonymous No.22557565]

>>22557357
>The Hobbit
>ASOIAF
>The Dragonbone Chair

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.22557593]

>>22557030
Red River Seven - A.J. Ryan (2023)

A man awakens, remembering nothing biographical, though otherwise retaining what he knows. He finds himself on a boat on a river shrouded in dense pinkish mist. There are others with him and they all share surgical scars and have the same memory loss. They seem to be on a mission as they realize they have a certain set of complementary skills that would be useful for survival and for carrying out a special operation. A voice from elsewhere speaks to them. It says they must obey or they will die. Whatever their purpose may be, they must follow their directions, because at the least the boat can be remotely deactivated, leaving them stranded. Precautions have been taken to minimize how much they can tamper with anything. Their greatest danger is each other, at least until they discover the current circumstances of the world.

As per the title, there's red mist, they're on a river, and there's seven of them. It's literal and suits it well. The amnesia is functional and serves a greater purpose than being for plot convenience. In terms of the plot, that they can't remember their lives is integral to everything. However, even if they did have their memories it wouldn't really be that different for several of them. This does limit them as a cast of characters because they're reduced to what their specialty is and a few other core personality traits.

I haven't read anything else by Anthony Ryan, so I'm unable to compare this SF/horror/mystery/thriller to his fantasy novels. What I do know is this seems like it was written to be a movie. Everything extraneous is removed and all there is, is the characters and their mission. I don't see that as necessarily a bad thing, though it's definitely notable. I would watch it if it were made into one because it seems like it could easily transition into a primarily action movie.

The last 15% started leaning into political allegory, or at least that's what I read it as. The only hint before that was that it was mentioned that the 45th president was someone whose name shouldn't be said in polite company. That was fine, though I don't think it was handled all that well. There wasn't an epilogue, which from a reader perspective would've been nice in terms of pay-off. Having one though would've gone against the allegory that had been established and the narrow focus of the narrative. Maybe it's just because it's not that long of a novel that there didn't seem to be any need to do so.

This was a nice read, though it's not really notable in any way. There was a good bit that this story had going in its favor for me. I like amnesiac group stories, which has lead me to read books that I might otherwise wouldn't, for better and worse. I also appreciate it when authors try writing in different genres than what they're known. If I had enjoyed it just a bit more I would've rounded it up.

I received this DRC from Orbit through NetGalley.

Rating: 3.5/5 (3)

[Anonymous No.22557616]

>>22557593
Your reviews are awesome! Post moar!

[Anonymous No.22557652]

>>22557030
Anything on this list have good romance?
-I read The Eye of the World, but the gender interactions made me want to rip a sink off a wall.
-I tried reading The Dragon Prince, but the author was pretty obviously shoving her real world politics into the characters' mouths
>Women are allowed to have casual sex, too!
-The Belgariad was good, but David Eddings seems to genuinely despise his kid hero and never lets him actually accomplish anything on his own. Which makes sense, I guess, considering he abused that kid he adopted.

[Anonymous No.22557662]

>>22557593
Anthony normally doesn't get into politics or cuckery in the first book. With the first book he likes to get readers hooked and when they excitedly move onto the next book in the series they suddenly find themselves reading some trash story full of pozzed shit.

[Anonymous No.22557668]

Is this gerne salvageable? The only worse one I can think of is urban fantasy

[Anonymous No.22557682]

>>22557668
Urban fantasy is part of this genre. You don't even know what you're asking.

[Anonymous No.22557762]

>>22557053
Yeah Thomas the Rhymer is pretty good

[Anonymous No.22557776]

>>22557652
>Anything on this list have good romance?
GGK, Princess Bride, Master and Margarita

[Anonymous No.22557812]

>>22557357
It's a standalone novel. That's probably why.

[Anonymous No.22557905]

Stupid question but I don't read a lot of fantasy and I've recently felt like finally getting around to reading the Earthsea series. Is this edition of the series worth getting? It's not super expensive but I wonder if it's cramming too many books into a single volume making it hard to actually read.

[Anonymous No.22557909]

>>22557905
Nah it's great

[Anonymous No.22557919]

Just finished Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. The whole thing reads like you’ve got a concussion, very engrossing.

[Anonymous No.22557943]

Finally finished picrel after months of reading, the ending was underwhelming but the overall story was a great read, definitely the best time loop story in the genre
having the protagonist not be the center of the timeloop was ingenious and made for a great mystery plot, I recommend it to anyone interested in a groundhog day-esque time loop story but done infinitely better

[Anonymous No.22557945]

>>22557905
>It's not super expensive but I wonder if it's cramming too many books into a single volume making it hard to actually read.
you do have to be more careful with how you handle the book, but that binding should be able to withstand it

[Anonymous No.22557948]

>>22557905
You can download it for free

[Anonymous No.22557966]

>>22557943
Vol. 1 ending still lives rent free in my mind. So fucking good.

[Anonymous No.22557969]

>>22557905
how much is that? is it used? Im not a fan of earthsea, but if you are interested in it, and that's cheaper than 20 used or 40 new, it might be worth it for you

[Anonymous No.22557972]

I hope the conclusion to the Asura Road arc of Martial World is fulfilling. I enjoy the journey of Lin Ming and Xiao Moxian being taught by Empyrean Divine Mist.

[Anonymous No.22557982]

>>22557943
>definitely the best time loop story in the genre
You must be 18 to post here.

[Anonymous No.22558004]

>>22557982
I've exhausted everything the trope has to offer including whatever novel you have in mind considering my obsession with it, you won't find a better authority on this matter browsing this board other than me.
so yes this is the best usage of the time loop device I have come across, 2 400 pages and not a single boring chapter despite the repetitive nature of the time loop, the mystery kept untangling and it keeps you on the edge at every reveal/twist.
but please feel free to post whatever novel you think deserves the title, if you have anything to contribute to the thread that is

[Anonymous No.22558022]

>>22557905
I've got that and the print isn't massive but it's pretty easy to read.
It's not like the recognitions where it weighs a fucking tonne and has tiny print

[Anonymous No.22558027]

>>22557943
>definitely the best time loop story in the genre
that's not Stainless Steel Rat Saves the World.
(Also I think Perfect Run is better as webnovel about a timeloop)

[Anonymous No.22558109]

>>22557030
Once again I`m asking for some good kaiju/gigantic monster/fathomable cosmic horror vs humanity recommendations if anons have any. Charts didn´t have any on this topic and google recs seem absolutely dogshit. Preferences: No run of the mill godzilla stuff, medieval to scifi as long as it´s mostly in the solar system, absolutely no demon god gookshit, from grim dark to half serious tone, No mechas or other over the top cliche solutions. Just want some humanity vs monster book that isn´t dog shit, hopefully i´m not asking too much.

[Anonymous No.22558117]

>>22558109
>>22558109
>absolutely no demon god gookshit
based based based

[Anonymous No.22558214]

>>22557905
Which books does it contain? Earthsea is basically the only YA fantasy that I enjoyed.

[Anonymous No.22558223]

I'm about to start reading The wandering Inn
what am I in for?

[Anonymous No.22558224]

>>22558109
There's small amounts of this in Between Two Fires. Sorry, I've got nothing else for you anon

[Anonymous No.22558226]

>>22558223
finna boutta pasta this nigga fr on god

[Anonymous No.22558231]

>>22558027
>I think Perfect Run is better as webnovel about a timeloop
They are different kind of stories. MoL is about the MC's progression from a nobody to a powerhouse. Perfect Run is about an already OP character who gets up to wacky hi-jinx.

[Anonymous No.22558241]

>>22558223
>what am I in for?
11 970 740 word count
26 601 pages
you won't be reading anything else until 2025

[Anonymous No.22558257]

>>22558241
>implying the average /lit/ poster will read 26 600 pages in one year
you'd have to be severely autistic or some kind of mentally ill to read this webnovel

[Anonymous No.22558264]

>>22557462
It got a comic
but cockblocked by the shitty Witcher Netflix adaptation

[Anonymous No.22558269]

>>22558004
>so yes this is the best usage of the time loop device I have come across, 2 400 pages and not a single boring chapter despite the repetitive nature of the time loop, the mystery kept untangling
it was boring after the first 5 loops, the plot was weak, the characters dumb, 2d and unbelievable

>keeps you on the edge at every reveal/twist.
the so called reveals and twists had absolutely no impact, literal snoozefest

[Anonymous No.22558278]

>>22558257
At a rate of 100 pages per day it would take 266 days to finish
Of course you'd also have to be completely without taste and sanity to do such a thing

[Anonymous No.22558406]

>>22558278
>Of course you'd also have to be completely without taste and sanity to do such a thing
"people" post chink ai harem litrpg contemporary ass women trash all the time in this thread. Most people are retarded

[Anonymous No.22558498]

Is this any good?

[Anonymous No.22558505]

>>22557284
LATTE

[Anonymous No.22558514]

>>22558223
A whiny stay at home moms power fantasy.

[Anonymous No.22558516]

Not enough books about catgirl wizards

[Anonymous No.22558523]

>>22558516
write your own i will read it

[Anonymous No.22558558]

>>22558498
I liked it. A little dry but fun explore the weird space thing story. Sequels are {{{cowritten}}} and should be avoided at all cost. I read them all when I was younger and dumber.

[Anonymous No.22558583]

>>22558257
This is YTD for me.

[Anonymous No.22558659]

Read four Iain m banks novels, they are pretty decent, though his descriptions are sometimes annoying "nigga what are you saying?" maybe im a pea brain adhd faggot.

[Anonymous No.22558701]

>>22557342
The red knight

[Anonymous No.22558704]

>>22558516
Not real fantasy. >>>/a/.

[Anonymous No.22558718]

>>22558704
>>Not real fantasy

[Anonymous No.22558771]

>>22558659
Give an example of these hard-to-parse descriptions. I want to see if you're actually retarded or if he's one of those faggot authors who thinks he's a lot cooler and smarter than he is just because he uses ten-dollar words.

[Anonymous No.22558797]

>>22558109
don't think I've ever seen this rec'd here. I myself read it off a whim from a "readers also enjoyed..." on goodreads, can't remember what book it was linked to.
warning some masturbation and poop humor

make sure to report back and call me an idiot with shit taste if you read it and don't like it

[Anonymous No.22558812]

>>22558771

nah.

[Anonymous No.22558845]

How are J.G. Ballard's "The ____ World" novels?

[Anonymous No.22558864]

>>22557909
>>22558022
Cool, thanks.

>>22558214
>Stories include: 'A Wizard of Earthsea', 'The Tombs of Atuan', 'The Farthest Shore', 'Tehanu', 'Tales From Earthsea', 'The Other Wind', 'The Rule of Names', 'The Word of Unbinding', 'The Daughter of Odren', and 'Earthsea Revisioned: A Lecture at Oxford University'

I think it basically includes everything plus some early short stories that were never printed anywhere else, apparently.

>>22557945
Oh yeah I'm used to handling this sort of book, the spine holds up pretty well but you really need to have a full palm grip on it so that it's well supported otherwise it starts bucking after a while.

>>22557969
It's like 40-45€ new.

[Anonymous No.22558900]

>>22558864
euros are close enough to dollars, I'd accept it if I were interested in reading Earthsea

[Anonymous No.22558933]

>>22558516
Thank goodness.

[Anonymous No.22558935]

>>22558900
Ended up catching an online sale on it at a local store and only paid 36€ for it, pretty decent deal.

[Anonymous No.22558968]

>>22558935
to be perfectly fair I spent 150 dollars on the special illustrated edition of Lord of the Rings that came out like a year or two ago, but I also wouldn't do that again or for any other book

>>22558812
cool thanks, very helpful post

[Anonymous No.22559194]

Young man you have to believe in science
*flies away*

[Anonymous No.22559287]

>>22558498
Dropped it because it's boring.

[Anonymous No.22559302]

>>22558968

no probs nigga.

[Anonymous No.22559304]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-cLWmW5P1A

Still looking for a worldbuilding as epic and complete as Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri

[Anonymous No.22559305]

>>22557030
Recently enjoying fantasy: Clarke Ashton Smith, Jack Vance, Gene Wolfe, Darrell Schweitzer, Brian McNaughton, Robert E Howard. Eventually, I'll run out though.

So who am I still missing?

[Anonymous No.22559326]

What are some sci-fi books with multiple intelligent alien species?

[Anonymous No.22559343]

>>22559326
xeelee sequence
great ship series

[Anonymous No.22559350]

Looking for some juicy sci-fi that revolves around the topic of first contact. What are some you all enjoyed?

[Anonymous No.22559364]

>>22558498
If you want to read about the exploration of an alien structure, yes.

[Anonymous No.22559365]

>>22559305
Offhandedly I'd say Fritz Leiber combines sword & sorcery, horror, and classic fantasy like you seem to enjoy. Lord Dunsany is a classic rec. You might also want to read some Poul Anderson, he's perhaps the most unsung influential fantasy writer out there.

[Anonymous No.22559372]

>>22557357
>last book you read
Elder Race, by Adrian Tchaikovsky. A nice, short read.
>current book you're reading
Queen of Demons, by David Drake. So-so, I may not finish it. It's a nice condition hardback book, but I picked it up for under $3 from a library sale so I'm not suffering my usual sunk-cost fallacy from having such a nice book.
>next book you plan to read
I've been eyeballing Empire of the Wolf series, might pick up Justice of Kings at the book store later this week.

[Anonymous No.22559390]

>>22558516
uh the correct term is 猫耳魔法使い, you くそ外人

[Anonymous No.22559395]

>>22557357
>last book you read
Leviathan Wakes
>current book you're reading
Lost In Time, A.G.Riddle
>next book you plan to read
Not a fucking clue

[Anonymous No.22559405]

>>22559365

Leiber rules. Finished the last Fafhrd and Mouser book recently and was impressed with how strange and horny the Mouser's arc was.

I never gave Poul Anderson his due. I only recall an SF novel of his years back. Looks like a lot to pick and choose from fantasy-wise. Good call.

[Anonymous No.22559414]

>>22558223
Writing at the level of your local Chinese restaurant's menu descriptions

<Special sauce make dish amazing excellant

[Anonymous No.22559418]

>>22558226
How the FUCK did TWI of all things escape the pasta?

[Anonymous No.22559442]

>>22559414
Some of those menu items make me smile
>Fragrant crispy chicken in zesty tangy sauce
I'm sure it was a lot more succinct in Chinese

[Anonymous No.22559448]

>>22557943
>webnovel slope
yikes

[Anonymous No.22559463]

>>22557030
Speaking of AIs, give me some good books with AI protagonists.

[Anonymous No.22559471]

>>22559463 (Me)
For reference I've read Murderbot Diaries, Klara and the Sun (I liked this one, but i feel like it could of been more), a couple chapters of Ancillary Justice (I didn't like it), A Closed and Common Orbit (I only read the parts with Lovelace, I didn't give a shit about the other character, skipped her chapters) and Sea of Rust (Not a huge fan of it)

[Anonymous No.22559500]

>>22559463
alone by robert reed

[Anonymous No.22559520]

>>22559305
I'll give you a few examples that I enjoyed:
>Wayne Barlowe: God's Demon/Heart of Hell
>Guy Gavriel Kay: Fionavar Tapestry
>Holly Lisle: Minerva Wakes
>Lois McMaster Bujold: The Spirit Ring
>Stephen R. Lawhead: Song of Albion
>Doranna Durgin: Dun Lady's Jess
>Gordon R. Dickson: The Dragon and the George
>Tanith Lee: Birthgrave
>Lloyd Alexander: The Chronicles of Prydain
>Tim Powers: The Drawing of the Dark
>C. Dale Brittain: Count Scar
>Sara Wrench: The Duke of Sumava
>Terry Brooks: Magic Kingdom for Sale - SOLD!
>David Eddings: Belgariad/Malloreon, Elenium/Tamuli
>Mercedes Lackey: Obsidian Trilogy
>C. L. Moore: Jirel of Joiry (this one is actually contemporaneous with Robert E. Howard's Conan stories)
>Martha Wells: Wheel of the Infinite
>Poul Andersen: Three Hearts and Three Lions

[Anonymous No.22559628]

Best book series that have a strong university/dark academia/being an apprentice to learn magic vibe? I know Kingkiller Chronicle is supposed to have this to a large degree, but I refuse to read cuck shit.

[Anonymous No.22559643]

>>22557086
Anyone who writes an epic fantasy series and puts dialogue on the first page needs to be gulag'd.

[Anonymous No.22559666]

>>22559628
The fallen gods, 2 books are currently released, with the 3rd due this December, the story tracks a young mc who starts of as your garden variety rule breaker at academy to torturing people for blood magic

[Anonymous No.22559673]

>>22558659
Just finished Culture series and I agree, some phrases were weird. I thought it was Banks' Scottish heritage, like it wouldve made sense to a Brit
Eventually I just ignored those bits
I really liked the series!

[Anonymous No.22559681]

>>22559666
Thanks bud

[Anonymous No.22559696]

>>22557086
>pwyll
How the fuck you even pronounce that?
Pill?
Pwhile?
P is silent? Will?

[Anonymous No.22559715]

>>22559696
Like this, it seems.
https://forvo.com/word/pwyll_pendefig_dyfed/

[Anonymous No.22559740]

>>22559696
It's Welsh. It's pronounced more or less like it looks: Pwill, though Welsh sort of "roll" their double LLs, making it end almost like a TH sound. Try saying "Pwill", but instead of removing your tongue from your teeth at the end, keep it there as you pronounce the LL and you'll wind up with a sort of lisping effect. I doubt any Welshman would take it amiss if you just said "Pwill" like Will with a P in front of it.

[Anonymous No.22559793]

>>22559696
Pwyll

[Anonymous No.22559840]

>>22559793
based

[Anonymous No.22559870]

>>22557086
>THAT DAY
Dropped

[Anonymous No.22559873]

>>22559696
Like Prill spoken by a toothless gollum baby

[Anonymous No.22559889]

>>22559520
Wayne Barlowe is working on a third Hell book. Not sure when it will be out. I really enjoyed God's Demon, but Heart of Hell was kind of rough. I'm hoping the final installment is closer to the standard set by the first book.

[Anonymous No.22559916]

>>22559889
Heart of Hell was rough at the beginning but really satisfying in the conclusion, but I want to know when the HELL (hehehe) Lucifer's Soul (tentative title I believe) is going to come out.

[Anonymous No.22559926]

I'm going to be the first person on /lit/ to write a fantasy novel

[Anonymous No.22559930]

>>22559926
This is /sffg/, not /lit/.

[Anonymous No.22559961]

>>22559926
But what about the guy who wrote this

[Anonymous No.22560091]

>>22557943
I really liked MoL as well. The author recently started publishing chapters of a new novel which seems like it has promise, but unfortunately he writes at a glacial pace and only puts out like one chapter every month and a half

[Anonymous No.22560113]

>>22559405
Anderson's The Broken Sword is probably the best American fantasy novel. Definitely of the same calibre as the other authors you mentioned.
Your taste seems pretty similar to mine, so I think you'd like Elric. And probably Peake, although it isn't really S&S.

[Anonymous No.22560141]

Anyone else have that AI generated image of Kellhus that floated around these threads a while back? I wanna try the same prompt in Dalle 3.

[Anonymous No.22560151]

>>22559926
Not if I finish mine first, anon. I'm already 2 paragraphs in!

[Anonymous No.22560181]

>>22559305
John Crowley

[Anonymous No.22560229]

Good fantasy books where the main character is stupid and gets what he fucking deserves?

[Anonymous No.22560250]

>>22560181
NTA, but I think The Deep filtered me.

[Anonymous No.22560268]

updated sando's tier list after the sunlit man

[Anonymous No.22560272]

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

[Anonymous No.22560277]

/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince.

[Anonymous No.22560287]

>>22560268
That's not the even best cover

[Anonymous No.22560291]

>>22560229
A Song of Ice and Fire, a character named Eddard Stark.

[Anonymous No.22560297]

Despite Bakker's faults he actually is the peak of contemporary fantasy.

[Anonymous No.22560303]

>>22557164
if you're free, why would I need a coupon?

[Anonymous No.22560310]

>>22557342
Blood Crest

[Anonymous No.22560312]

I'm now roughly halfway through book 2 of Wheel of Time and the quality is noticeably better in every respect compared to book 1. Jordan is starting to take more risks and branch out from the Tolkien tropes. I was promised a far better direction in book 2 (which is why I stuck out the very mediocre first book), and it is delivering for the most part.

I refuse to believe "the slog" in the later books is as bad as normies say it is. As long as the world building keeps expanding, I will take aimless plot direction any day over discount Lord of the Rings (i.e. book 1 of the Wheel of Time).

[Anonymous No.22560315]

>>22560297
This. I've been trying to look for other long-form fantasy from the 21st century that's worth reading. Tried Malazan but found it dull and honestly just an inferior Second Apocalypse. I'm still looking for something to top Bakker.

[Anonymous No.22560321]

>>22560315
>I'm still looking for something to top Bakker.
My books will drop in a year so stay tuned.

[Anonymous No.22560323]

>>22560312
> As long as the world building keeps expanding
Lol
LMAO even
The world is established within the first few books and after that nothing new is added. Wheel of Time has one of the most boring worlds ever written specifically because of all the potential it had is never explored. Literally every interesting idea Jordan had is tossed on the wayside to make room for hunderds more pages of catty women being catty at each other. I hate the Wheel of Time so much.
And yet I read it all... more than once.

[Anonymous No.22560340]

>>22560323
Answer me some questions about it then. I don't care if you spoil shit, but only do it if it's relevant to the question.

I know how it ends (roughly) and the conclusion seems cool to me (I'm not going to read a 14 book series and not know if I will enjoy the payoff at the end, so sue me).
But does Jordan go in depth of philosophical themes that are implied? Because I thought that ended up to be the "twist" at the end about the nature of free will and determinism, which summed up the entire point of what Jordan was trying to say.

Also, another thing that intrigues me about the series is that it notoriously has an unbelievable final 3 or 4 books and how everything comes together perfectly in a great catharsis. Is this true? Or did Jordan just make up shit as we went along like fatass Martin?
I like series that are planned out for like 30 years and the author knew how it ended decades ago, so if it isn't like that, then yeah maybe I won't like it.

[Anonymous No.22560354]

>>22560340
>But does Jordan go in depth of philosophical themes that are implied? Because I thought that ended up to be the "twist" at the end about the nature of free will and determinism, which summed up the entire point of what Jordan was trying to say
It goes like this:
>Rand: I will now defeat the Dark One!
>But if you defeat the Dark One, all your friends will behave strangely because if the Dark One doesn't exist humans are no longer evil and this annoying bitch starts playing with children instead of being an annoying bitch
>Rand: oh no, that's awful! I would much rather see humanity continue to suffer endless, pointless conflicts than see this annoying bitch mellow out
Basically it made no sense.
>Also, another thing that intrigues me about the series is that it notoriously has an unbelievable final 3 or 4 books and how everything comes together perfectly in a great catharsis. Is this true? Or did Jordan just make up shit as we went along like fatass Martin?
It was Sanderson who wrote the last books and Sanderson writes good action. The final battle lasts for hundreds of pages and sure, the whole series was building up to it. But eh, there's just so much stuff that leaves me cold. The Forsaken are left so shallow because we never get to see the world as it was when they lived, we never get to understand them as people and that makes the final confrontations feel like a video game boss fight.
And then there's the "Foxes and Snakes" that are completely unrelated to everyone else that I wanted to learn more about but nah, after the single struggle with them on their territory they're just dropped.
And then there's the book of prophecy the Darkfriends had, they mention it exists but it's a big load of nothing.
And then there's the new villain that got added just to be a bossfight for Perrin, the hunter guy or whatever.
There's so much Wheel of Time could have been, so many interesting things Jordan comes up with but then never does anything with. The flashbacks to the distant past and flashforwards to other, possible futures were great, probably my favorite stuff.
I still think it's all worth a read, hence why I did more than once, but Wheel of Time is not in my top 5 or even top 10 fantasy series.

[Anonymous No.22560370]

>>22560354
Yeah, makes sense. I still will probably read through it because I'm listening to the audiobooks, so that makes it go quicker.

Not much other fantasy seems to intrigue me. There's only about 2 or 3 other series I'm curious about reading. Most of it seems like soi shit written by men who never left their bedrooms and don't know how people actually talk or interact with one other because they've never been to a party. At least Jordan was in the shit in Vietnam so he knew about war. I'm not even trying to be disrespectful, I WANT fantasy to be good, because it has so much god damn potential, but most of the popular series' premises I read about are still so unbelievably generic, despite how much they claim otherwise.
Wheel of Time is the only thing that seems to me that comes the closest in terms of epicness and scope of what fantasy should be, and if even that fails apparently, then I guess we have to wait for AI because humans clearly can't write it. It unironically might be beyond our capabilities.

[Anonymous No.22560377]

Read Neuromancer. It was a fun romp. That is all.

[Anonymous No.22560387]

>>22560370
Have you considered Wars of Light and Shadow by Janny Wurts?

[Anonymous No.22560446]

>>22560340
>But does Jordan go in depth of philosophical themes that are implied? Because I thought that ended up to be the "twist" at the end about the nature of free will and determinism, which summed up the entire point of what Jordan was trying to say
The series goes with the themes but doesn't really try to reach any conclusions. For example, it's heavily implied that Rand could have destroyed the Dark One, if he so chose, however ultimately for there to be good, it requires there to be evil, so reality had a backup plan to replace the Dark One with Fain/Mordeth if Rand had made that choice.

>Also, another thing that intrigues me about the series is that it notoriously has an unbelievable final 3 or 4 books and how everything comes together perfectly in a great catharsis. Is this true? Or did Jordan just make up shit as we went along like fatass Martin?
Neither of these things are really true. Jordan didn't finish the series on account of dying. It was taken up by Sanderson, who did finish some plots satisfactorily, while completely botching others (such as basically aborting Berelain's character arc), and COMPLETELY FORGOT several characters exist (most notably Sulin, who I don't think is ever mentioned in anything written by Sanderson).
Also, Jordan had a petty streak and would regularly retcon twists if his readers figured them out early. An example of this is Olver being Gaidal Kain, which is BLATANTLY obvious in the series, but Jordan was publicly adamant he wasn't.
Another example is Taim being Demandred, which Jordan retconned completely purely out of pettiness because people figured it out before he finished writing it.

Ultimately Saderson's finish was adequate, but he did several characters dirty and gave way too much page time to his oc donut steel, he also couldn't help but make at least one character gay for no reason. Fucking Mormon faggot.

[Anonymous No.22560460]

Mandatory Rothfuss post for the thread: will he go on another strike if Trump becomes president again and use that as an excuse for why Doors of Stone still hasn't been finished?

[Anonymous No.22560466]

Just started Malazan.. What am i in for /lit/bros??

[Anonymous No.22560468]

>>22560460
>>22560466
Goddammit am I in limbo or something?

[Anonymous No.22560471]

>>22560466
Boomer garbage written by some dweeb who was obsessed with his tabletop game characters. Every book changes PoV, and has multiple different PoV's in it, and none of the other characters plots are ever meaningfully resolved, so it's the worst version of the worst version of multiple PoV's.

[Anonymous No.22560476]

>>22560471
Why do most fantasy readers want LESS POVs? This is something that is completely foreign to me. It literally makes no sense.
Like, what's the point of creating a huge fantasy world and only focusing on the same 2 or 3 characters for thousands of pages?
Are normies' brains physically incapable of processing a large and diverse cast of characters, like how primitive tribes can't understand the concept of number beyond "one, two, many"?

[Anonymous No.22560479]

Finished Ringworld by Larry Niven. What a crock of shit that was. Man can't write characters at all and it was somehow boring. Waste of my time. I'm upset because I've got two more books by him on the shelf picked up from a second hand store.

[Anonymous No.22560483]

>>22560479
Most pre-cyberpunk sci-fi is terrible and is aging like milk.

[Anonymous No.22560496]

>>22560476
>This is something that is completely foreign to me. It literally makes no sense.
Because when you have a huge number of PoVs it's inevitable that some of them are worse than the others, and then you're forced to read through them. In addition, multiple PoV's goes hand in hand with authors abusing cliffhangers to create "tension" (really, Tedium).
No, I don't give a shit about the orphan girl that showed up for a moment in the first chapter, I don't give a shit about the protagonists mother, I don't give a shit about Shallan.

[Anonymous No.22560502]

>>22560483
Been chewing through a box filled with old Simak novels lately and absolutely loving it, can't believe how much of a steaming pile Ringworld was compared. There is still some great stuff from back then.

[Anonymous No.22560507]

>>22560496
The problem with series that have lots of POVs isn't that there is lots of POVs. The problem is that writers create them without planning how their arcs will end in advance. That's the difference.
Introducing some random pirate character as a POV in book 6 of your epic series that was mentioned in one sentence in book 2 is fine, as long as there is a logical reason for doing it. Unfortunately most writers don't understand this.

[Anonymous No.22560516]

>>22560507
That doesn't matter. Jumping around to different PoVs constantly necessarily slows the pacing to an absolute crawl unless the characters in question are in close proximity, and if they are then it defeats the purpose of having a different PoV most of the time.
Multiple PoVs is bad for pacing, bad because one will always be more interesting, and bad because I'm sick of shit being written like each chapter is a discrete episode of a fucking TV show.

[Anonymous No.22560519]

>>22560471
>>22560496
Exactly this. I am not interested in other characters pov, I don't care about them, because only the main character matters.

[Anonymous No.22560523]

>>22560516
Sorry m8, I hate to be the one to tell you, but you have a low IQ.

[Anonymous No.22560530]

>>22560519
When I write my epic fantasy series, I am not going to repeat a single POV in the entire series. Each character gets 1 chapter. Just to make you brainlets soi rage.

[Anonymous No.22560533]

>>22560530
That's basically what Malazan is.

[Anonymous No.22560538]

>>22560533
I'm going to write the non-leftist, non-soi based version of Malazan then.

[Anonymous No.22560554]

>>22557357
>The Brave Free Men
>The Asutra
No idea what next

[Anonymous No.22560557]

>>22560538
that's impossible anon, multiple povs are soi while a single pov is a based chad.
You can't write something that is based and soi at the same time.

[Anonymous No.22560561]

>>22560538

>The Malazan series contains many themes around socio-economic inequality and social injustice throughout such as gender equality with Erikson stating "It occurred to us that it would create a culture without gender bias so there would be no gender-based hierarchies of power. It became a world without sexism and that was very interesting to explore."as well as the inevitability of and role of art in civilizational collapse and many other themes rooted in a postmodernist and post-structuralist deconstruction of the fantasy genre and magical realism.

Anddddd just like that, one less series I have any interest in reading.

[Anonymous No.22560594]

>>22560468
You can't keep giving them the (You)s they want. They'll never stop.

[Anonymous No.22560645]

>>22560502
I've only read Way Station, what's your top recommendation apart from that

[Anonymous No.22560687]

>>22559666
first book of this might be the single worst fantasy book I've ever read

[Anonymous No.22560695]

>>22560687
More like Justin Sipid

[Anonymous No.22560719]

>>22560557
>You can't write something that is based and soi at the same time.
ENTER

[Anonymous No.22560757]

>>22560719
I know this is probably in the mid 2000s, but is there a fantasy author that isnt a dad shoe/blue jean wearing retard? Sanderson is the worst offender.

[Anonymous No.22560766]

Any recs for Chinese Sci-Fi or Fantasy that isn't a web novel and has a decent translation?
I want to branch out, I have a hard time gettting into Western stuff at the mometn and figured I could try something else.

[Anonymous No.22560813]

>>22560268
The Lost Metal being in the same tier as anything else is odd to me.

[Anonymous No.22560822]

>>22560757
Many such authors nowadays

[Anonymous No.22560855]

>>22560312
I'm 80% of book 2.
Aes Sedai did literally nothing wrong and if everyone followed their advice almost nothing bad would have happened, but the two driving characters, Nynaeve and Rand hate them so much everything goes sideways.
They constantly believe Moiraine & crew are playing 5d chess while all they're doing is trying to keep people alive.
I'm almost convinced Moiraine has to be a double agent because she's so incredibly on point with everything but her own "allies" keep getting in the way

[Anonymous No.22560877]

>>22560687
first book is rough, no two ways to it, the second has marked improvement in nearly all sections, as this is also a relatively recent book, published in 2021, perhaps our expectations must also be tempered, of the recent authors only Schuyler hernstorm has some writing heft

[Anonymous No.22560887]

>>22560303
Most of my money comes from tips

[Anonymous No.22560915]

>>22557357
>last book you read
the sun also rises
>current book you're reading
the book that wouldn't burn. it's fucking horrible so far but I'm only a few chapters in. I'm giving Lawrence ~20 more chapters to improve because I loved Prince of Thorns but ever since his last series he can't seem to stop writing from the perspectives of little girls...
>next book you're planning to read
probably Prince of Nothing, everyone said not to read bakker but I decided to see for myself

[Anonymous No.22560920]

>>22560813
Why? The others in that tier are equally poor

[Anonymous No.22560941]

>>22560530
read some book about fantasy mercs that did this and just got bored after 10 chapters

[Anonymous No.22560956]

>>22560766
Strange Beasts of China
There's other stuff out there but the biggest problem is that you have to write a very specific book (one criticial of the chinese government) to get an english translation which makes them feel pretty samey, like Han Song is their biggest scifi writer by far but because he doesn't do that he's gone untranslated outside of one short story.
For fantasy Jin Yong's got a load translated, he's like the foundational modern author of Wuxia.

[Anonymous No.22560971]

>>22560920
Because TLM is an unnecessary and disappointing end to a saga.
Tress and Elantris are self contained stories that have many enjoyable aspects. Hero of Ages stretched itself out and the ending was mediocre but it was a necessary story to tie loose ends
Honestly dont remember what happens Oathbringer, I generally cant tell Stormlight books apart.
TLM is at best a cosmere jerkoff, everything else is bad and it retroactively makes both The Bands of Mourning and, to a lesser extent, Shadows of Self, worse

[Anonymous No.22560972]

What's the best depiction of a forest you've come across in fantasy lit? The gloomier the better.

[Anonymous No.22561030]

>>22560956
>Han Song
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?366627
1 short story? Ha.

[Anonymous No.22561036]

>>22560956
I've started Strange Beasts of China some time ago, will look again.
I'll look into Jin Yong, thank you

[Anonymous No.22561085]

>>22557086
>Welsh mythology "inspired" Mabinogion rip-off from a retarded American woman who never left the country
Give me strength.

[Anonymous No.22561122]

>>22560466
Butts and bbws

[Anonymous No.22561126]

>love interest says something about not being a damsel who needs help
>instantly drop story
Why is this so goddamn popular?
Do people only write one type of love interest?

[Anonymous No.22561139]

>>22561126
>initially says she isn't a damsel and doesn't need saving
>eventually gets captured and needs saving anyway
Kino

[Anonymous No.22561145]

>>22561126
More importantly why authors even write love interests or women in sff stories?
Having action and adventure stories feature women makes those stories completely unbelievable.

[Anonymous No.22561161]

>>22560466
>What am i in for /lit/bros?
A lot of things.

I don't mean variety, only sheer quantity.

[Anonymous No.22561234]

>>22561122
If true I will actually read it. Does she get up in the ass at all? How sexual are the descriptions of her ass? And is she involved in incest in any way?

[Anonymous No.22561278]

>>22560887
>Americans now give out "tip-free" coupons
Insanity

[Anonymous No.22561299]

>>22561145
>Having action and adventure stories feature women makes those stories completely unbelievable.
If it's fantastical story then you can easily have fantastical and powerful women (sorceresses, otherwhise magically or sci fi technology enchanted women).
Personally I would not write a love interest for the main character. I would write a surrogate mother/mentor/teacher figure.

[Anonymous No.22561333]

>>22561122
what a fat brapper...

[Anonymous No.22561335]

>>22561299
>If it's fantastical story then you can easily have fantastical and powerful women (sorceresses, otherwhise magically or sci fi technology enchanted women).
you can give them powers but you cannot give them the will to use those powers. When critical moment comes no matter what powers they have, they can't use them, mentally they are too weak and easily confused and scared. Making women into fierce warriors or making them use their powers to kill and cause harm and destruction is a joke, it's fake and unbelievable.

[Anonymous No.22561345]

>>22561335
There were female leaders and killers, so on that alone I would disagree, even if such traits are not as pronounced in women.
Finally, if these are magical or sci fi alterations (or if said woman belongs not to human but some other fantasy race/species) then her psyche could be altered/different from what you usually see in humans.

[Anonymous No.22561368]

>>22558109

Project 731 by Jeremy Robinson? I read it a while ago and it wasn't my favorite by him but it was a good read.

[Anonymous No.22561370]

>>22557357

>Last
The Stone of Farewel-Tad Williams
>Current
The First Five Chronicles of Amber-Roger Zelazny
>Next
MAYBE finish either the first Prince of Nothing Trilogy or Three Body Problem I also got the first set of Thomas Covenant books lately

[Anonymous No.22561371]

>>22561335
>mentally they are too weak and easily confused and scared
Just like your average male fantasy protagonist?

[Anonymous No.22561393]

>>22561370
>Amber
Pure trash.

[Anonymous No.22561401]

>>22561371
Only because most modern aurhors are feminist libcucks. I don't remember Conan being mentally weak.

[Anonymous No.22561426]

>>22561370
>actually reading Amber
Stop yourself before it's too late. I've read them, they're awful, worst shit I've ever read bar none. Save yourself, there's still a chance. Abandon it, don't be like me, an autist who can't bear to put down a book he's started and submits to his completionist urge to conquer any novel he sets out to read. It's not worth it.

[Anonymous No.22561436]

>>22561426
Amber is not bad. You just have to accept that it is a literal 0 cerebral activity YA adventure, and you'll see that as a such it is actually extremely well done.

[Anonymous No.22561445]

>>22561436
Unfortunately for me, I can't "turn my brain off" for a medium that requires actively using my brain. I can see the Apple.

[Anonymous No.22561454]

>>22561445
And I can even rotate, zoom and taste the apple. You are just neurotic.

[Anonymous No.22561455]

>>22561436
>Amber is not bad

[Anonymous No.22561458]

>>22561455
Do you think that Harry Potter is better than Amber?

[Anonymous No.22561463]

>>22561458
One is a children's book, one is not. How can I compare them?

[Anonymous No.22561464]

>>22561454
I can do all those things too, but reading without brainpower defeats the entire purpose of reading. It's not a movie where all the thought, the dialogue, the visualization, the causation is done for you by the projection on the screen. Reading without comprehension is what 75 IQ niggers do in school when the book says "See Spot Run"

[Anonymous No.22561475]

>>22561458
NTA, but the first 2 or 3 Harry Potter books are definitely better than Amber. Taken as a whole however, Harry Potter IS Amber. Completely inane Calvinball series of contrivances pulled out the ass to forward the plot - not that anybody actually knows what the plot is, but they get the vague uneasy sense that it's happened.

[Anonymous No.22561503]

I think today class you should all try and talk about a book you actually like instead of just saying everything is bad

[Anonymous No.22561505]

>>22561463
>One is a children's book, one is not. How can I compare them?
Anon they are both children's books.

[Anonymous No.22561506]

>>22557259
>all white-washed
What's the problem?

[Anonymous No.22561509]

>>22561475
>Completely inane Calvinball series of contrivances pulled out the ass to forward the plot - not that anybody actually knows what the plot is, but they get the vague uneasy sense that it's happened.
Well, yeah. But it's relatable in HP, and cool in Amber. And Amber is better written to boot.

[Anonymous No.22561510]

>>22557259
dunno about the us remake but the original ghosts is really good

[Anonymous No.22561519]

>>22557909
>>22558214
Doesn't Le Guin write 'muh gender-bending' shit into her books? I've mostly avoided them because they seem woke as hell.

[Anonymous No.22561523]

>>22558223
Reading something better.

[Anonymous No.22561528]

>>22561503
I love Lafferty. But he is far too highbrow for the average sfffag

[Anonymous No.22561533]

>>22561519
I feel bad for you. Having /pol/ brainrot must make your life a living hell.

[Anonymous No.22561539]

>>22561528
post your full updated shelf anon

[Anonymous No.22561543]

>>22561475
>Taken as a whole however, Harry Potter IS Amber.
What are some good children/YA fiction books?

[Anonymous No.22561548]

>>22560272
>The Poppy War
Chink shit

[Anonymous No.22561555]

>>22561543
Earthsea, Narnia, The Hobbit, Mr Tickle, The Cat in the Hat, those Horrible History books

[Anonymous No.22561558]

>>22561533
So, I'm not wrong then.

[Anonymous No.22561565]

>>22561533
Are you saying Le Guin didn't write gender bender shit?

[Anonymous No.22561573]

>>22561565
No, I'm saying I feel bad for people who have /pol/ brainrot.

[Anonymous No.22561580]

>>22561555
>Earthsea
>The Hobbit
Those are superb, so being worse than them is not really a low bar fall under.

>Narnia
I though there was an issue with completely inane Calvinball series of contrivances pulled out the ass to forward the plot.

>Mr Tickle
>The Cat in the Hat
>Horrible History
Wrong genre.

[Anonymous No.22561585]

>>22561565
Heinlein wrote much more gender bender shit than le Guin, so I guess Starship Troopers are now more woke than transsexual black Lenin from California.

[Anonymous No.22561608]

>>22561573
What about gender-bender in Le Guins books? Did she write gender-bender or not?

[Anonymous No.22561611]

>>22561608
Yes, in the Left Hand of Darkness.

[Anonymous No.22561612]

>>22561608
If you refuse to read Earthsea because of something in another unrelated story, you have mental health issues and I hope you seek treatment.

[Anonymous No.22561637]

>>22561612
>you have mental health issues and I hope you seek treatment.
I am not the one writing or reading gender-bender stories.

[Anonymous No.22561640]

>>22561608
You are such a fucking retard. Why can you not read an entirely separate book that has nothing to do with so-called 'gender-bending'
You are a typical brainwashed /pol/ spastic and I sincerely hope that you stop posting in this general forever.

[Anonymous No.22561653]

>>22561637
See, this is what I meant. You are so completely obsessed with trannies you can't even read what people have written.
The point: Earthsea has none of that. You just can't get trannies out of your head. This is the /pol/ brainrot I was talking about. Stop talking about trannies, stop thinking about trannies. Just read Earthsea.

[Anonymous No.22561659]

Fantasy/scifi genderbending is my fetish. Give me examples, preferably male-to-female resulting in a lesbian relationship.

[Anonymous No.22561673]

>>22561659
Doesn't stuff like this happen in The Culture novels?

[Anonymous No.22561681]

>>22561637
The Left Hand of Darkness is not a gender-bender story though. The protagonist is close to an entirely normal human male contacting a staunchly traditional society of effectively dwarves who temporarily develop genetilals for mating season. Gender is an alien concept to both the protagonist and the Gethenians, who are effectively aliens with a non-human sexual biology and culture stemming from this. Both operate entirely on biological sex.

The book, and le Guin's works in general, have absolutely no trace of troon/LGBT victimhood culture. The old aunt was in general allergic to victimhood and outrage. She was quentessentially based.

[Anonymous No.22561692]

>>22560645
City is the other popular one and for good reason. Outside of that, I've enjoyed Cemetery World, A Choice of Gods, and They Walked Like Men. Honestly, anything is good and they're all short enough to at least be interesting if you can get your hands on them.

[Anonymous No.22561696]

>>22561681
>The old aunt was in general allergic to victimhood and outrage. She was quentessentially based.
Unfortunately she wrote the most dry garbage imaginable. If only she had the skill to back up her ideas.

[Anonymous No.22561705]

>>22561673
I wouldn't know, I never read them

[Anonymous No.22561716]

>>22561659
Years ago I read a scifi story about some kind of alien creature that could transform into anything (like a rock, animal, tv set etc), so this thing has been on earth for so long it forgot what or who he was, at one point he was a shark and he ate some sailor who he later he transformed into, from there on it became some gay romance shit, one the bfs this alien was dating had a too tight an ass so the alien had to adjust his penis size (or maybe it was the other way round) for it too fit.
Disgusting degenerate shit just out there on the internet for anyone to download.

[Anonymous No.22561724]

Anyone have good weird western/western fantasy recs?
Besides the Dark Tower (lol. lmao even) & the Golgotha trilogy, which was actually pretty damn good.

[Anonymous No.22561726]

>>22561696
Sorry for filtration.

[Anonymous No.22561730]

>>22561681
>no trace of troon/LGBT ...victimhood culture.
nice red flag there m80

[Anonymous No.22561736]

>>22561640
>Why can you not read an entirely separate book that has nothing to do with so-called 'gender-bending'
Le Guin is SJW slop. No clue why faggots keep reading and promoting her books.

[Anonymous No.22561740]

>>22561659
Nice try trannny

[Anonymous No.22561747]

>>22561736
They've never read her. They've just heard she's one of the "classics" from some redditor.

[Anonymous No.22561752]

>>22561726
Yeah, filtered by some of the most boring, forced prose I've ever had to read in a fantasy novel.
>He looked down at his thin arms, wet with cold fogdew, and raged at his weakness, for he knew his strength.
>No weapon-hurt had come to the boy, but he would not speak nor eat nor sleep; he seemed not to hear what was said to him, not to see those who came to see him.
>One Karg fell writhing with a spear, still warm from its forging, right through his body. Others were arrow-bitten, and all enraged. They charged forward then to hew down their puny attackers, but they found only the fog about them, full of voices.
>So a few days later on a sunny morning of spring Ogion strode beside him down the steep road from the Overfell, fifteen miles to the Great Port of Gont. There at the landgate between carven dragons the guards of the City of Gont, seeing the mage, knelt with bared swords and welcomed him.
"fogdew"
"weapon-hurt"
Lol.

[Anonymous No.22561761]

>>22561752
>forced prose
This is the most midwit-infested thread on /lit/

[Anonymous No.22561774]

>>22561761
You can go back now.

[Anonymous No.22561780]

>>22561761
It's the opposite. Outer /lit/ is infested with "midwits", but go ahead and keep using that word.

[Anonymous No.22561786]

>>22561752
bruh

[Anonymous No.22561790]

>>22561736
>Le Guin is SJW slop
Anon she was anti-abortion and thus declared anathema.

[Anonymous No.22561806]

>>22561790
How young are you? Do you think that there aren't pro-life feminists out there? Is Mrs. Rowling now "our girl" because she was attacked for having some dissenting views? Get the fuck off the internet for a while and restructure your worldview based on reality instead of internet politics.

[Anonymous No.22561822]

>>22561806
powerful

[Anonymous No.22561838]

>>22561806
>restructure your worldview based on reality instead of internet politics
Anon dear you are the one who used the term "SJW slop".

[Anonymous No.22561841]

>>22561838
That wasn't me.

[Anonymous No.22561905]

I see we've had another 30 posts from a pol/outerlit escapee who had to justify why they refuse to read anything to strangers on the internet

[Anonymous No.22561912]

>>22557343
>/sffg/ don't like minorities
I am a Paki.

[Anonymous No.22561926]

Read Bakker.

[Anonymous No.22561930]

>fill your book series to the brim with degenerate gay/tranny/cuck/communist/(((diversity))) propaganda
>"dude why can't you just look past that and just read the story???"
Do leftist trannies really

[Anonymous No.22561937]

>>22561930
This is what too much /pol/ does to a motherfucker. Seeing things that aren't there.

[Anonymous No.22561940]

>>22561912
How is life in Birmingham m8?

[Anonymous No.22561948]

>>22561930
not sure what story you're talking about but why are you reading things you dislike to begin with

[Anonymous No.22561949]

>>22561937
Imagine being a fantasy reader and having the audacity to tell someone that their conception of reality is incorrect lmao.

[Anonymous No.22561957]

>>22561940
Not sure, I've only been there like once and that was almost 20 years ago. It was alright back then desu

[Anonymous No.22561958]

>>22561948
I'm referring to the argument in this thread where someone (rightfully) pointed out that Le Guin is "gender bending shit" and some blue haired tranny's argument was basically
>Yeah it has that, but why can't you just look past blatant degenerate propaganda that is a major subtext of a work and read it?

[Anonymous No.22561968]

>>22561949
>go to /sffg/
>insult people who read fantasy
I don't get it
>>22561958
Nobody asked him to read the Left Hand of Darkness, we were talking about Earthsea you disingenous fuck show me the gender bending shit in Earthsea go on

[Anonymous No.22561982]

>>22561968
I'm not insulting people who read fantasy, I'm insulting people who read exclusively fantasy and fiction, and have the audacity to think they know how the world works. Which is basically 95% of fantasy readers.

>Nobody asked him to read the Left Hand of Darkness, we were talking about Earthsea you disingenous fuck show me the gender bending shit in Earthsea go on
Do you unironically think that the psychology and political ideology of an author doesn't subconsciously (or consciously) seep into every work by them? Nothing of a writer exists in isolation.

[Anonymous No.22561985]

A Tranny of Earthsea
The Rings of ACKuan
The Furthest HRT

[Anonymous No.22561989]

>>22561982
>I AM NOT CRAZY! I am not crazy. I know the book's about sex change operations, I know it! I just can't prove it.

[Anonymous No.22561994]

>>22561982
I already gave you the Heinlein argument.

[Anonymous No.22561999]

>>22561994
Doesn't count because I ignored it, cope, seethe & dilate

[Anonymous No.22562009]

>>22561994
What is the Heinlein argument? I am not the guy you argued with. I know this may come as a shock to you, but more than 1 person hates trannies.

[Anonymous No.22562022]

>>22562009
There are no trannies in Earthsea you schizo fuck

[Anonymous No.22562028]

>>22561982
>Nothing of a writer exists in isolation.
Bruh you sound like a troon.

[Anonymous No.22562029]

>>22561930
this just comes across like you're scared of a book desu

[Anonymous No.22562037]

>>22562029
To be fair you need to be a big boy to read YA fantasy adventure series

[Anonymous No.22562046]

>>22562029
I'm scared of having my time wasted by reading poorly disguised political propaganda (despite the fact that the author thinks they cleverly hid it) masquerading as a simple fantasy story with no agenda.

[Anonymous No.22562048]

>>22562029
why bother recommending stuff to someone like this in the first place? stop giving him (you)s and further derailing the thread

[Anonymous No.22562053]

>>22562046
okay, then don't read it

[Anonymous No.22562059]

>>22562009
>What is the Heinlein argument?
That he measurable, factually wrote significantly more gender-bender shit with much greater focus on this particular aspect, which should make him way more of a woke SJW troonnigger than le Guin.

[Anonymous No.22562062]

>>22562046
Both Earthsea and TLHoD have very clear agenda tho.

[Anonymous No.22562064]

>>22561659
Jack L Chalker was OBSSESED with trannies, literally all his books have gender bending, if he was alive today he would be spamming transporn on /gif/ and /v/

[Anonymous No.22562077]

>>22562062
Yes, but she's a woman, so she probably thought she was being subtle and crafty and was less on the nose.

[Anonymous No.22562081]

>>22562059
That's not an argument, that's just giving me someone else to add to my list of people never to read, so thanks.

[Anonymous No.22562104]

>>22562081
Good, now leave.

[Anonymous No.22562122]

>>22562104
No lmao

[Anonymous No.22562128]

>>22561234
>Does she get up in the ass at all?
No
>How sexual are the descriptions of her ass?
Very, it's obvious Erikson has a thing for bigger ladies
>And is she involved in incest in any way?
Sadly no incest, i'm a incest enthusiast myself and i was very disappointed by the lack of incest in malazan

[Anonymous No.22562175]

Don't care about the gender-bender shit, I don't really relate it to trannyshit, just won't read Le Guin because she's a feminist and Earthsea is about brown people.

[Anonymous No.22562177]

>>22562175
Based self-filterer.

[Anonymous No.22562189]

>>22562128
Esslemont gives even more loving descriptions of Tattersail in Deadhouse Landing
>>22562175
I can respect this opinion.

[Anonymous No.22562207]

>>22560268
>Tress in d
>sand comic a
>Bands of morning b

This list is retarded

[Anonymous No.22562208]

>>22562175
>I don't really relate it to trannyshit
Dumbass

[Anonymous No.22562216]

>>22562175
this is basically the same opinion as me

[Anonymous No.22562225]

>>22562175
This but i did read earthsea because ged is brown and into white girls just like me fr

[Anonymous No.22562234]

>>22562175
>Earthsea is about brown people.
So gender-bender and has brown people

[Anonymous No.22562257]

>>22562175
>feminist
Female* And she's an anthropologist's daughter so interested in the the mysterious hidden things. Like Star Trek exploration.
You're scared shitless of fiction because a woman did it.

[Anonymous No.22562258]

>>22562234
its not a fucking genderbender story you schizo, are you just gonna start screeching that accusation at everything now?
>Tolkien is a tranny author
>Dunsany is a tranny author
>TH White is a tranny author
fucking deranged chinkbot has a glitch in his programming

[Anonymous No.22562259]

>>22562234
Interracial relationship too, snow pale women getting browned

[Anonymous No.22562264]

>>22562189
>Esslemont gives even more loving descriptions of Tattersail in Deadhouse Landing
Picked up!

[Anonymous No.22562279]

>>22562234
Be better pol-chud, i know you can i believe un you.

[Anonymous No.22562283]

>>22558223
A boring, whiny opening is followed by a story that's hard to believe is real.

Sometimes, story beats are set up millions of words ago; at other times, events happening a continent away change the trajectory of the story on another continent. This is a world where some cities are more creative settings than the main locations of novels I've read. The author really knows how to make a fight interesting, whether it’s large-scale, one-on-one, cerebral, or just social engineering. When I was catching up on it, there were nights where I stayed awake till 3, and then took the next day off from work to continue it.

There are also plot threads that go nowhere - stories whose beginnings and buildups are far more captivating than their ends. I also think the characters are very 2.5D. They are like anime characters that pretend to be something more, sometimes successfully, oftentimes not. And sometimes, the illusion of the world being a cohesive, moving entity breaks down when the author deliberately ices stuff so that something else, necessary for a particular plot point, happens.

It's a mixed bag, though I lean towards it's worth it than not. I've been keeping up with it for the past 4 years.

[Anonymous No.22562285]

>>22562264
My pawghagwife Sarah...

[Anonymous No.22562296]

>>22562234
>has brown people
So does the Bible.

[Anonymous No.22562299]

>>22562283
Will this ever be released in print? Would be pretty cool to see a shelf full of nothing but Wandering Inn lol

[Anonymous No.22562308]

>>22562128
>Very, it's obvious Erikson has a thing for bigger ladies
I would love you forever if you posted a few choice experts anon

[Anonymous No.22562314]

>>22562299
Somebody post for anon the picture of the retard was printing each chapter out and binding it.

[Anonymous No.22562315]

>>22562264
After so many years of tights being in fashion, I wish women's fashion would just allow for more sheer nylons or garter stockings. With or without skirts

[Anonymous No.22562319]

>>22562314
>retard
I do this but for manga, it's cheaper this way, that man was not a retard

[Anonymous No.22562323]

One of the worst /sffg/ threads of all time, and that's saying something.

[Anonymous No.22562324]

>>22562299
There's someone who actually did it. There were talks of official comic book adaptation of the mainline story before. I have no idea how big that might be if that ever happens.
https://imgur.com/a/bmd7Apo#SHoZMoF

[Anonymous No.22562335]

How do you ever begin to read The Wandering Inn? Something that massive seems impenetrable. Not that I would ever read it anyway as all webnovels are fucking shit

[Anonymous No.22562341]

>>22562319
>>22562324
>hardcovers
the absolute madman

[Anonymous No.22562346]

>>22562324
>Pic
What's the name of this mental illness?

[Anonymous No.22562348]

>>22562319
How is printing a webnovel cheaper than simply not printing it, retard?

[Anonymous No.22562360]

>>22562348
obviously we're going by the assumption that you wish to own it on physical form, you dumbass

[Anonymous No.22562363]

>>22562324
Sweet Jesus, this made my day :D

[Anonymous No.22562367]

>>22562335
I would assume you start at the beginning and just read it?

[Anonymous No.22562370]

>>22562360
holy fuck you are an idiot, there is no physical version of twi. maybe take 10 seconds prior to your next post to make sure you actually know what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.22562381]

>>22562370
Anon...
>want to own a physical edition of something
>no physical edition exists
>make your own
At what point did you lose the plot?

[Anonymous No.22562414]

>>22562381
I'm very drunk and thinking about my oneitis. Sorry anon

[Anonymous No.22562450]

It's all so tiresome

[Anonymous No.22562465]

>/pol/fag is also a phoneposter
Shocking

[Anonymous No.22562508]

>>22562207
>and comic a
Not the comic but the text version, could not find another image to represent and the text version is fine

Tress has that annoying hoid narration that is less marked in yumi and thus a higher ranking for it

Bands of morning is good, but it is slightly hampered by a weak middle and longish end, additionally, the reckless pace of the lost metal makes bands a poor read in retrospect

[Anonymous No.22562534]

>>22560272
>Neuromancer
I'd buy it based only on that cover.
sadly, this is what's available for me

[Anonymous No.22562537]

Read Bakker.

[Anonymous No.22562565]

>>22562537
sorry I don't want to read gay porn, if I did I'd buy a Chuck Tingle novel

[Anonymous No.22562581]

Favorite Discworld book?
I always liked Night Watch. any of the City Watch books really

[Anonymous No.22562673]

>>22562534
The cover that gets posted everywhere is only for the Brazilian release.

[Anonymous No.22562709]

>>22562537
Sorry but skin spies are de facto trannies.

[Anonymous No.22562714]

>>22562450
Based femoid semen retainer

[Anonymous No.22562728]

>>22562048
it's so funny how like 50% of this thread is recommendations people never fucking read

[Anonymous No.22562745]

>>22562308
Lordy I'm busting out this one a lot lately.

[Anonymous No.22562748]

>>22561393
>trash
Yes, there's thrash in this thread.
It's you, anon.

[Anonymous No.22562770]

>>22561426
>>22561455
>>22561475
So many idiots
>HP is better than Amber
Oh, hi, JKR
For those of you who still like to use your brain:
a Night in the Lonesome October

[Anonymous No.22562775]

>>22562770
>a Night in the Lonesome October
terrible book

[Anonymous No.22562779]

>>22562323
It's definitely up there, not close to the worst though. At least this autistic screeching is vaguely about books.

[Anonymous No.22562924]

[Anonymous No.22563019]

>>22561752
At best tolerable so long as it's not too frequent. I personally wouldn't read it, but let's be honest chink shit is leagues worse.

>>22561761
Retard.

[Anonymous No.22563027]

>>22562924
Not enough wrinkles.

[Anonymous No.22563041]

>>22561426
>autist who can't bear to put down a book he's started and submits to his completionist urge to conquer any novel he sets out to read. It's not worth it.
Those books are less than 200 pages, it's not a massive commitment. Mind you, I totally agree - I read the first one and it was pretty awful.

[Anonymous No.22563112]

In The Wheel of Time book 2, chapter 18. Egwene and Nynaeve are on a ship to Tar Valon. They're both in a room alone. Nynaeve is sea sick. the Amyrlin walks in their room and starts making sea related quips. Nynaeve then mutters about rather having a warder teach her to use a sword. It's an offhanded remark. Just a rejoinder to Siuane's quips.

This is particularly notable, because in the show, they actually do have Nynaeve learn the sword from warders. They took this little off handed remark, and incorporated it into her personality. What do you guys think Good or bad decision?

[Anonymous No.22563127]

>>22563041
yeah but I got the 1400 page omnibus of all 10 novels, so you can probably see what that's a problem

[Anonymous No.22563131]

>>22561806
>Is Mrs. Rowling now "our girl"
All outspoken TERFs are our girls.

[Anonymous No.22563166]

>>22563112
>What do you guys think Good or bad decision?
I don't care, I don't watch adaptations.

[Anonymous No.22563184]

>>22561806
All crazy milfs are our girls

[Anonymous No.22563188]

>>22561681
>The old aunt was in general allergic to victimhood and outrage. She was quentessentially based.
She went into self-hating conniptions when she discovered that "The Lathe of Heaven" wasn't some Ancient Chinese proverb like she thought because China of that time didn't have lathes, so she was guilty of "Orientalism" or something.

[Anonymous No.22563196]

>>22563112
Another detail, is something that doesn't really matter. But the other day, I got in an argument over on /tv/ about the book material, and eyes, and whether or not character eyes are described as "slanted." I thought the first instance of slanted eyes happens in book 3. But in fact, it happens in book 2. Sheriam is introduced as having slanted eyes. But I believe it's because she's a plump woman, and she got that swollen face look to her.

>>22563166
That's fair. It's pretty bad.

[Anonymous No.22563202]

>>22563131
Rowling is not a TERF. That's just the name the crazies gave her. Rowling only believe that trans women are different than normal woman. But she still accepts them as woman. All the crazies online got mad because Rowling didn't pretend that trans women are 100% identical to normal woman.

[Anonymous No.22563204]

>>22562924
>Executioner's sword has a point
it's all so tiresome.

[Anonymous No.22563220]

>>22563202
>didn't pretend that trans women are 100% identical to normal woman.
yes, that's a TERF

[Anonymous No.22563248]

>>22563202
Anon... please let the guy you're responding to know that you aren't me so I don't have to be associated with this nonsense.

[Anonymous No.22563260]

>>22563220
That's not a TERF. A TERF believes that trans woman are not women at all. That they're completely excluded from the protection and support of feminism. Rowling doesn't believe that. She only believes that there is a difference, and as such, feminism can still support trans women. Only in a slightly different capacity than it supports normal women.

>>22563248
Fine. I'm not this guy. I just interjected into the conversation.

[Anonymous No.22563305]

>>22563260
Trans women are women.

[Anonymous No.22563373]

>>22562285
My Queen.

[Anonymous No.22563478]

>>22562257
>You don't want to read retarded progressive nonsense because you're scared of women, not because you just don't want to waste your time reading trash!!!
Amazing.

[Anonymous No.22563500]

>>22563196
In chapter 20, Rand remembers a time when a man in his home town mentioned the prophesies of the dragon, and Nynaeve broke a broom across his shoulders.

[Anonymous No.22563524]

NEW!!!

>>22563519
>>22563519
>>22563519

[Anonymous No.22563775]

>>22562175
Understandable.

[Anonymous No.22563781]

>>22562225
Stop it, you filthy racemixer.