/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.21276239]

Blood Ritual Edition

Previous Thread:>>21267487

>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
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>Archive
>>/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

[Anonymous No.21276275]

>>21276176
Lol they even made Horn hairy instead of balding. Things artists do to make books more accessible...
I like imagining him same as Hugh Farnham from Farnham's Freehold since I alway imagine characters being played by actors on a stage.

[Anonymous No.21276286]

Any good Fantasy or Sci-Fi books that contain Utopias/Dystopias? I'm more interested in exploring the idea and how authors envision the concept of Paradises and Utopias, than good plot, though that would be nice as well.

Already read Huxley books and 1989, intending to read the russian 'We' soon.
Yes, I'm aware of the chart in the files, but it's full of classics and old books. I'd prefer something more recent, the last 40-50 years at most.

[Anonymous No.21276314]

>>21274495
Lobster? I recall Babbie being explicitly mammalian. I always imagined him being something like the rat creatures from Bone

[Anonymous No.21276321]

bakker is cringe

[Anonymous No.21276334]

sneed

[Anonymous No.21276433]

>>21276314
But only spiders, scorpions and similar creatures are eight-legged. Mammals never have more than four legs. Short Sun elephants also cannot be mammals for the same reason.

[Anonymous No.21276436]

>>21276286
Red Rising has a genetics caste based system set in a Greco-Roman Solar Empire where the ruling class is entirely comprised of millions of 2M or taller genetically enhanced gigachads that are stronger than a gorilla and smarter than people with high Mensa scores.
Is the plot good? Well that's debatable.

[Anonymous No.21276528]

>>21275740
Yeah, most of those lists are full of schlock

[Anonymous No.21276548]

>>21276321
it would be hilarious if these posts were actually made by bakker himself. i mean he is insane so i could see him doing this.

[Anonymous No.21276581]

>>21276433
Babbie also has hands, arms, fur, horns, tusks, teeth, he is closer to a mammal than anything with an exoskeleton

[Anonymous No.21276630]

>>21276239
Fang Yuan did nothing wrong with his blood rituals.

[Anonymous No.21276741]

i am begging you, recommend me some interesting fantasy to read. nothing can keep my attention these days, i'm just re-reading random ASOIAF chapters
for a rough idea of what i like, some of what i've read
>ASOIAF (loved it)
>all of First Law (loved the first trilogy and 2 of the 3 standalones, second trilogy dropped the ball, but was still fun)
>Bakker's first trilgoy (liked it, but didn't feel compelled to continue)
at the moment i'm contemplating trying: A Shadow in Summer, Gwynne's works, Gavriel Kay's works, Traitor Son, Between Two Fires, New Sun
don't recommend me Sanderson, i've read Mistborn and the man can't write dialogue to save his life

[Anonymous No.21276746]

>>21276741
hobb

[Anonymous No.21276759]

>>21276741
Try Conan, or if you don't mind a long ass series, Malazan

[Anonymous No.21276765]

>>21276741
You need heist fantasy with shark gladiators.

[Anonymous No.21276768]

i feel borderline ADHD these days, new fiction simply cannot hold my attention, although i have no problem reading mathematical literature 24/7. what the fuck is my problem?
>>21276746
started Assassin's Apprentice and kind of forgot about it
>>21276759
i have an ebook of this collection downloaded, do i just read from the beginning or is there some order?
>>21276765
i've read this and it was really fun, but then i started the sequel and it didn't hold my attention

[Anonymous No.21276788]

>>21276768
just read from the beginning. all the stories are disconnected anyway

[Anonymous No.21276796]

>>21276768
>mathematical literature
autism

[Anonymous No.21276833]

>>21276741
I've read and enjoyed all the shit you've listed. Traitor Son is a good read. Not quite as extensive as asoiaf, but more accurate and immersive imo.

Unlike a lot of realism autists, the author talks about medieval society and warfare with a level of familiarity thats enjoyable to read. You can tell he didn't just read some articles.

[Anonymous No.21276874]

>>21276630
Based. Best protagonist out there.

[Anonymous No.21276882]

I love her so much Bros...

[Anonymous No.21276899]

>>21276239
Can I enjoyed Narnia as an adult or it strictly for children? I remember watching the first two movies as a child but never got to read it.

[Anonymous No.21276901]

Can I enjoy Narnia as an adult or it strictly for children? I remember watching the first two movies as a child but never got to read it.

[Anonymous No.21276942]

>>21276901
I remember trying to get into it, put it down in a moment. Unsure if it's truly as great as people claim if it's almost forgotten these days. Tolkien stands the test of time, Narnia? Not so much.

[Anonymous No.21276952]

>>21276942
>Tolkien stands the test of time
already feels dated

[Anonymous No.21276962]

I will NEVER write a fantasy novel.

[Anonymous No.21276988]

>>21276962
write it, or else

[Anonymous No.21276996]

>>21276901
The prequel, The Magician's Nephew is an adult 10/10.

[Anonymous No.21277030]

>>21276962
I will never write (well).

[Anonymous No.21277060]

Where did it peak, anons?

[Anonymous No.21277091]

I like to read comfy, easy scifi reads just before bed. I read all of Hitchhiker's Guide, Foundation, and Robots, and now I need some more recs please.

[Anonymous No.21277104]

>>21276741
Veniss Underground by VanderMeer

the setting isn't like your list, but still fantasy.
>nothing can keep my attention these days
the difference might hold your attention, plus it's really short

[Anonymous No.21277145]

>Clarke is a pedo
>Asimov is a gaytheist
Are there any based sci-fi authors?

[Anonymous No.21277146]

>>21277145
Heinlein

[Anonymous No.21277198]

>>21277145
>Are there any based sci-fi authors?
I guess you would Orson Scott Card as a based anti-gaytheist, I think even wrote an essay on how being gay is bad. In addition to writing a story on two sci-fi gays men ending misserably due to their self-sex attraction.
If you aren't aware, he's the author of 'Ender's Game.'

Amusingly, Brandon Sanderson mentioned him as an inspiration, due to being a fellow mormon.

[Anonymous No.21277235]

Bros, what's a good entry level sci fi novel? I like vivid prose. There must be a lot of imagery and I'd prefer if the book wasn't too fast paced but still had a compelling story that makes you wanna turn the page. I've read 5 PKD novels and I've realized he's trash

[Anonymous No.21277292]

>>21277235
Leave

[Anonymous No.21277300]

>>21277235
Hyperion

[Anonymous No.21277309]

>>21277235
Prose is a meme

[Anonymous No.21277320]

>>21277292
Fuck off genre nigger
>>21277300
Thanks. I've heard of this one before.
>>21277309
Only if your senses are utterly dull. You might as well watch TV

[Anonymous No.21277336]

>>21277320
Hyperion is very long and winding bu sumptuous. Fall of Hyperion is less good but is the close of the story. Not read Endymion novels which are sequels so I cannot comment. Example of how vivid they are: in one chapter some hippie bitch rides dolphins into battle against a space empire to save their tropical planet

[Anonymous No.21277344]

>>21277320
I read Chinese web novels often machine translated
Prose is a meme

[Anonymous No.21277353]

>>21277145
>Clarke is a pedo
And a gay pedo at that which is worse.

[Anonymous No.21277373]

Just finished all of Ada Palmer's Terra Ignota series. After that I went through Bakker. What other competent, semi-contemporary authors are there worth exploring?

[Anonymous No.21277394]

>PKD is trash
Consider some YA books for your age level.

[Anonymous No.21277408]

>>21276962
Write nigga WRITE

[Anonymous No.21277409]

>>21277145
>>21277353
Clarke was gay but not a pedo.

[Anonymous No.21277446]

Finished Foundation's Edge today. Kept laughing every time Asimov brought up mentioning how bi a certain female character's ass was

[Anonymous No.21277497]

>>21277409
>fucking sri lankan twinks
i disagree

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.21277531]

>>21276239
The Claw of the Conciliator, The Book of the New Sun #2 - Gene Wolfe (1981)

The word choices were less intrusive for me this time, though that may have only been because of a coping mechanism to help me derive more enjoyment from their usage. I can't help but think that they serve the dual purpose of sincerity and prank in equal measure. The former is exactly what it seems to be, an exercise for the reader to learn new words and be in awe of Wolfe's command of language. The latter is that Severian is compensating due to what he's noted as being his lack of writing ability since he was never really taught that well. Severian may think that using obscure words makes his writing deep and mysterious enough to where it masks all other flaws. If the writing can't be easily understood, then that's a sure sign of quality. Wolfe isn't a pseudointellectual, but Severian may be. There's also a third group for whom it acts as a filter, which may not have been intentional. There's also questionable intent for the continued abuse of women, both by Severian and other characters, which may be a dealbreaker for various readers.

Now having finished this book I find it considerably more likely that much of this is intended to be farce, which is why I think the prose being at least somewhat a prank is likely. Severian continues to meander in a bumbling way and remains easily duped, but even so he more or less accomplishes his goals, though that's mostly due to the intervention of others. There's a chapter where he's entirely confused and terrified, and doesn't pretend that he isn't. He literally spends the next chapter explaining why he isn't a coward, or if he is it's because everyone is, and uses dreadful examples that only condemn him further. Is Severian the narrator still as oblivious to what what he writes as he was when he was experiencing it? It seems so. He doesn't seem to have much character growth throughout the series. There were quite a few times where I could only believe that the characters were humoring Severian because of some greater goal because there was such a disconnect between how Severian behaved towards them and how they reacted. Severian is loathsome with incidental acts of kindness, though I believe the latter is mostly out of curiosity than benevolence. Overall, I find this mostly to be amusing because I'm interpreting it much more as farce than anything serious. If I were to take Severian's proclamation that he wants to have sex with every woman he's ever met seriously rather than as a comedic outburst, I would probably be enjoying this considerably less.

There are two stories within the story in this book, which I didn't like and I thought they went on for far too long. Maybe they have a lot of hidden importance to the narrative, but I wasn't able to be as attentive to them, so if they do I probably missed whatever it may have been. I'm ok with that.

Rating: 4/5

[Anonymous No.21277581]

>>21277531
your reviews are shit, please fuck off

[Anonymous No.21277615]

>>21276741
>ASOIAF (loved it)
Suldrun's Garden
>New Sun
Great but may be difficult if you suffer from chronic zoomer brain.

Stardust is an insanely tight bit of prose if the movie didn't ruin it for you.

[Anonymous No.21277636]

>>21277531
your reviews are awesome, please post more

[Anonymous No.21277638]

>>21277145
Heinlein was into milfs

[Anonymous No.21277728]

>>21277531
Claw is my favorite of the tetralogy, particularly the the stretch of chapters within the antechamber. The first story is of Theseus and the Minotaur alongside the account of a historical ship battle (I can't recall the name currently) but merged and distorted over time.

[Anonymous No.21277787]

>>21277030
Doesn't stop F Gardner

[Anonymous No.21277791]

>>21276996
The Magician's Nephew is genuinely great. Didn't think it was a prequel though, though it was just first.

[Anonymous No.21277809]

>>21277344
You're a zombie bro

[Anonymous No.21277829]

>>21277728
Yeah, the antechamber was an interesting form of an imposed society. When they had pastries to eat it made me think of "let them eat cake". I'm not sure what think of the present day interruptions that are included. My first thought about the black sails was Commodore Perry, but then I quickly realized that was wrong. After the story it basically says that's what it. There's probably also various metaphors about becoming too comfortable about treating what is meant to be imprisonment as a nice place because of how frightening the outside world is, despite the problems they face there. Maybe that's even what this site is.

[Anonymous No.21277851]

>>21276741
Prractical Guide To Evil
The Wandering Inn

[Anonymous No.21277871]

>>21277531
Severian does have growth throughout the story, the biggest spurt is probably in the first third of the next book, but not only.

Most of what you type is total horseshit.

>>21277829
Funny, Claw is also my favourite, but for me the Antechamber part is the slump between an so good it surprises me beginning and and un-put-downable ending that cemented Wolfe as the author with the biggest balls around.

[Anonymous No.21277885]

>>21277791
It's fair to call it a prequel since the book is about the creation of Narnia and the wardrobe that transports people to it.

[Anonymous No.21277887]

>>21277615
>Great but may be difficult if you suffer from chronic zoomer brain.
weird thing is, i never had this before, it's a thing i seem to have developed in the last couple of years.=, as a kid 90% of my time i spent reading. maybe i spend too much time in this shithole and it's frying my brain. and as i mentioned above, i still have no problem reading mathematical literature for hours non-stop, it's just fiction that has lost its grip on my attention. maybe it's a math autism thing, idk
>>21276833
>>21277104
>>21277615
>>21277851
thanks for the recs, bros

[Anonymous No.21277900]

I want to take this opportunity to shill the best series I've read lately , Dungeon Crawler Carl

Wasn'tt expecting this to be this good after reading the by-the-numbers premise

[Anonymous No.21277907]

I need a good book name for a sci-fi fantasy with existential punk elements.

[Anonymous No.21277912]

>>21277907
Anarchy's Dusk
The Children of Neon Waste
Music Coffins of Tomorrow

[Anonymous No.21277916]

>>21277912
>Anarchy's Dusk
Eh.
>The Children of Neon Waste
Nice
>Music Coffins of Tomorrow
A bit too grim but very fitting for what I'm going for

[Anonymous No.21277919]

Why was Rhaegar Targaryen so based?
He makes so many fans of the series seethe.

[Anonymous No.21277931]

Any books for this particular feel?

[Anonymous No.21277938]

>>21277912
>>21277916
I'm thinking more 'Children of Misguided Dreams'
how's that?

[Anonymous No.21277952]

>>21277938
eh , a bit generic. Maybe with a cool cover it can work.

[Anonymous No.21277956]

>>21277952
>cool cover
ah, about that
i might be broke

[Anonymous No.21278027]

>>21277900
Is it a particularly by-the-numbers premise? Yeah it's "sudden apocalyptic event forcing circumstance change", but the details are fairly unique I thought.

[Anonymous No.21278039]

>>21277956
AI image generator, man.

[Anonymous No.21278054]

>>21277091
Please respond. Didn't see anything for me in the recs folder.

[Anonymous No.21278062]

>>21278027
I frequent RR , I've seen variations of this a LOT and tha'ts where I discovered it (before it got published).

global apocalypse , but with timeloop!
global apocalypse , but it's a social drama!
global apocalypse , but humans are the baddies!
etc etc.

"global apocalypse , but it's hunger games!" is not something unique after a while on that site.

[Anonymous No.21278064]

>>21278054
Were you just sitting on your ass for four hours hoping that anonymous internet strangers will do the work for you instead of just searching on your own? Jesus Christ that's pathetic.

[Anonymous No.21278067]

>>21278054
>Hitchhiker's Guide
check this >>21277900

[Anonymous No.21278068]

>>21278062
Said apocalypse being just straight-up aliens is a bit more unique by RR standards. Admittedly it ends up feeling more like Hitchhiker's Guide as a result (down to the "Well you could've just contacted us" spiel the aliens give). Most RR apocalypse things are either system apocalypses which tend to be just LitRPG stuff forcing its way onto reality, or some sudden emergence of monsters or whatever.

[Anonymous No.21278074]

>>21278067
Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.21278087]

>>21277919
UH OH

[Anonymous No.21278145]

>>21278062
>global apocalypse , but it's a social drama!
These are the worst, it seems most work on rr is to some extent a social drama.

[Anonymous No.21278211]

>>21277885
Always though the term meant a retcon is all. I just call it the first Narnia book kek

[Anonymous No.21278345]

>>21277145
You can't get more based than Jack Vance
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oiOt6eW0pZI

[Anonymous No.21278390]

>>21278345
Since this popped up as a short I thought it was recent and he was still alive.

I picked up thisv the other day and might get to it soon.

[Anonymous No.21278401]

I'm looking for fantasy/romance short stories to read. I want chads in armors falling in love with ladies. Any good rec? Any favourite of yours?

[Anonymous No.21278405]

>>21277531
I think the guy that writes these legitimately has Down’s syndrome

[Anonymous No.21278425]

Where is a good place to start with Philip Jose Farmer?

[Anonymous No.21278460]

>>21278401
so you want whiteknighting stories?

[Anonymous No.21278468]

>>21277145
The further into hard sci-fi country you get, the more the probability of your author being a gay anal trans interdimensional pedo vampire approaches 1.

[Anonymous No.21278471]

>>21278425
World of Tiers
Dare
Strange Relations

[Anonymous No.21278473]

>>21278460
If I wanted that, I'd ask incels on /a/
Are there serious short love stories involving true testosterone in an epic fantasy setting?

[Anonymous No.21278481]

>>21278473
so you want whiteknighting stories?

[Anonymous No.21278484]

>>21276765
quiplit

[Anonymous No.21278506]

>>21278481
Something like Geralt and Yennefer's romance would make it but in a short story format. Armors and weapons aren't only for knights.

[Anonymous No.21278517]

>>21278506
>Something like Geralt and Yennefer's romance
So, white knighting stories?

[Anonymous No.21278521]

What’s up with Larry Niven? I’m thinking of dipping into the Ringworld, Dream Park, and Known Space series. Any of those good?

[Anonymous No.21278525]

>>21278517
Okay, whatever you call them.

[Anonymous No.21278528]

>>21278521
>Any of those good?
have you tried reading them? Or is that asking too much.

[Anonymous No.21278533]

>>21278525
There's plenty of fantasy romance stories if you google them.

[Anonymous No.21278546]

>>21278528
Have you tried touching grass or moving out of your moms house

[Anonymous No.21278550]

>>21278521
>I’m thinking of dipping into the Ringworld, Dream Park, and Known Space series.
Alright, good luck reading them.

[Anonymous No.21278556]

>>21278546
gottem 2019+ newfag!!

[Anonymous No.21278557]

>>21278546
So that’s a no. Then why are you on /lit/.

[Anonymous No.21278561]

>>21278533
Yeah. I had the hope to find someone here who reads and could suggest something nice, though.
Funnily, I'm never lucky. The last time I asked a retard suggested Fate S/N. However, when asking for some other themes, I've gotten good recs. I never lost hope for this general to surprise me.

[Anonymous No.21278576]

>>21278521
I love that the best way to trigger /lit/ posters into a fit is to list books

[Anonymous No.21278582]

>>21278576
Who’s triggered?

[Anonymous No.21278583]

I’ve read all of Greg Egan (pbuh) and I need more mathematician-core sci-fi
Show me the shit you like that makes you feel smart

[Anonymous No.21278587]

>>21278561
Best if you just search them on your own, it'll be quicker than just spending hours on here expecting other people to do it for you.

[Anonymous No.21278588]

>>21278561
>The last time I asked a retard suggested Fate S/N
/a/ was a mistake

[Anonymous No.21278591]

>>21278583
In the chart in the OP.

[Anonymous No.21278597]

>>21278582
Clearly you

[Anonymous No.21278600]

>>21278583
you WILL read the xeelee sequence
>>21278582
That anon is a diamond dozen newfag who thinks he triggers people by posting the same book lists and asking for the same vague recs for the thousandth time.

[Anonymous No.21278602]

>>21278583
How dare you ask about a book here

[Anonymous No.21278603]

>>21278473
>love stories
>true testosterone in an epic fantasy setting
Does not compute, a man cannot have high test and be on epic fantasy journey while deeply in love, if he is after a roastie then he is weak coomer and there is nothing epic about that, its a mundane routine shit.

[Anonymous No.21278608]

>>21278597
Okay? Don’t know what makes you think that.

>>21278600
So it isn’t a bot? But actual people just repeating the same question and book list over and over?

[Anonymous No.21278609]

>>21278591
>just click my mega link bro
I wish I could curb stomp you. Why even post you absolute mongoloid. You’re not going to get into my fucking system. I’m not going to click and give you satanic elves the permission you need to cross my threshold.

[Anonymous No.21278613]

How is the book of the new son

[Anonymous No.21278623]

>>21278561
I’m going to reiterate what that other anon says and just search them on your own. We have a residential faggot who seethes whenever people want heterosexual relationships and he spans/flood the thread with his gay opinion posts.

[Anonymous No.21278625]

>>21278603
Was Aragorn a coomer? rmmt tbqh famalam

[Anonymous No.21278627]

>>21278613
okay

[Anonymous No.21278641]

>>21278588
Worst board.
>>21278587
>>21278623
Yeah. Will be back to comment on the good stuff I have found after coming across tons of f*nfic tier crap.
Some other time I may be lucky. Thank you for your patience with an autist like me.

[Anonymous No.21278700]

>>21278627
what do you mean is it okay good or not

[Anonymous No.21278703]

>>21278613
I wrote a post about it, you can check Warosu.

[Anonymous No.21278713]

>>21278703
What?

[Anonymous No.21278716]

>>21278700
Do you not know what the definition of okay is? If not, then just click on my image to know what it means.

[Anonymous No.21278725]

>>21278716
No one mentioned flights

[Anonymous No.21278743]

>>21276239
Greg Bear is die
RIP

[Anonymous No.21278752]

>>21278743
You know we can just look it up and easily disprove this, right? What do you even get by doing this?

[Anonymous No.21278759]

>>21278743
RIP to a legend

[Anonymous No.21278760]

>>21278752

[Anonymous No.21278770]

>>21278725
I wish I had your free time. I wouldn't waste them here, shitting up a thread, I'll probably do something productive with it, like go camping with my brother and father, or go hiking in the countryside, maybe even learn a new skill or language.

[Anonymous No.21278776]

>>21278770
?

[Anonymous No.21278778]

>>21278776
Please don't reply to normalfags.

[Anonymous No.21278782]

>>21278770
>your free time
It is surprising how much time they have just shitting up /sffg/. Shame they waste it just browsing 4chan though.

[Anonymous No.21278791]

>>21276962
You must write it. Do you want to live in a world where women write our fantasy novels for us? Is that the kind of future you want for your children, anon?

[Anonymous No.21278800]

>>21278778
?

[Anonymous No.21278809]

>>21278782
>don’t shit post! Raaaarrrrgh!
>on 4chan

[Anonymous No.21278817]

>>21278791
>Do you want to live in a world where women write our fantasy novels for us?
Sure, I don’t mind, I’ve read Ursula K. Le Guin, Lois McMaster Bujold, Robin Hobb, and Patricia A. McKillip and they were great authors who wrote good stories.

[Anonymous No.21278822]

>>21278817
And all dead or about to be. Women being talented has been bred out of the species

[Anonymous No.21278827]

I like it when you have a big, well-developed space-opera type setting with a Galactic empire or something like that, and Earth has been lost or forgotten, but there are still allusions to Earth and its history as if it were something out of mythology or primordial history, especially if rediscovering or returning to Earth becomes a major plot point. I had a dream about this once. Dune, Hyperion and especially Foundation have aspects of this, but I don't know much else.

[Anonymous No.21278829]

>>21278625
Completely unrealistic character whos existance could not even be justified in high fantasy.

[Anonymous No.21278831]

>>21278822
What are you talking about? Bujold and Hobb are still alive.

[Anonymous No.21278835]

>>21277146
>>21277638
I've yet to read anything by Heinlein. What's his best novel bros?

[Anonymous No.21278838]

>>21278835
The one you decide on your own.

[Anonymous No.21278840]

>>21278817
Never mind then, don't write anything it was probably going to be trash anyway.

[Anonymous No.21278843]

Im reading Mother of Learning and im enjoying, almostt at the end of book 1, pretty good so far.

[Anonymous No.21278845]

>>21278840
Well, yeah, I know it was going to be trash, why’d you think I was asking here and not a proper website?

[Anonymous No.21278859]

>>21278827
Dune prequels as pulp as they are hit this square on the head

[Anonymous No.21278868]

>>21278838
Motherfucker I'm not reading 100+ books just to see if I can find one I don't think is a waste of time. Recommend a title you enjoyed.

[Anonymous No.21278881]

>>21278829
>unrealistic character
True. Gollum and the orcs are more relatable to /lit/

[Anonymous No.21278897]

>>21278831
You can’t read

[Anonymous No.21278899]

>>21278868
>Recommend a title you enjoyed
Try The Very Hungry Caterpillar, it might be up your speed.

[Anonymous No.21278905]

Currently struggling over whether or not I want to convert my next science fiction novel into a visual novel when I'm done with it. There are a lot of infodumps, and the VN audience tends to be a lot more tolerant of infodumps. However, the story does not reflect much of anything within the current VN market (not like an anime, negligible romantic content, linear). Making it a VN would require a lot more work, but would also compensate for my main weakness in writing: describing environments and characters. I've made a VN before, and the revolution in AI-generated art should render the production of art assets significantly more efficient. I know VNs aren't that popular, but I probably have a greater chance of getting noticed if I commit to a niche market instead of trying to get coverage in the world of published books. Of course, VNs are on the whole a lower art form than literature. I don't feel compelled by that fact given that the current state of literature in the English-speaking world does not really approach "high art" most of the time either. I'm just stuck at a crossroads and wondering if any of you have experience or input that could help me decide what to do.

[Anonymous No.21278910]

>>21278588
>>21278641
/a/ isn't the problem, its the retards who don't stay in /a/ that's the problem, like >>21278905

[Anonymous No.21278914]

>>21278868
People cry and piss themselves if you haven’t read every sci fi book in the sci fi book thread

[Anonymous No.21278915]

>>21278905
Don’t know why you’re posting this shit here, nobody gives a fuck, go back to /a/ or /jp/.

[Anonymous No.21278920]

>>21278881
They are flawed but they are definitely more realistic and believable than Aragon.

[Anonymous No.21278946]

>>21278905
why aren't you asking in writing general, that's where question like that make sense

[Anonymous No.21278956]

>>21277851
>the Wandering Inn
More like the rambling inn. Overall it was a fun read, but the author spends pages upon pages on mundane descriptions of things that have no bearing in the end. If most things can't keep anon's attention the Wandering Inn won't. He'll bail within the first several chapters if I had to bet.

[Anonymous No.21278971]

[Anonymous No.21279033]

>>21277871
You've read everything shown here?
https://www.gregegan.net/BIBLIOGRAPHY/Bibliography.html
Well done.

[Anonymous No.21279048]

>>21278583
>>21277871
You've read everything shown here?
https://www.gregegan.net/BIBLIOGRAPHY/Bibliography.html
Well done.

[Anonymous No.21279056]

>>21279033
>>21279033
You don’t need to keep reposting the same post.

[Anonymous No.21279077]

>>21278905
Ask /vg/ you dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.21279092]

>>21278868
You can always check warosu, people talk about Heinlein extensively in previous threads.

[Anonymous No.21279098]

>>21278835
Starship Troopers. Not even close. His adult period books are very different and all varying degrees of cuckshit. Stranger in a Strange Land is probably the best of those, but more interesting because of its cultural influence than literary value.

[Anonymous No.21279122]

>>21276741
You really should check out J. V. Jones Sword of Shadows series. They are as ASOIAF-alike as any other series I've read, and capable of standing on its own unique merits. Also the last book has been in a unwritten cliffhanger for over a decade ala Martin's WoW.
Also if you've never read Donaldson's Chronicles of Thomas Covenant I would rec those too. If you don't want to read those he just finished a new trilogy of fantasy books called The Great God's War that are pretty good.

[Anonymous No.21279154]

>>21278914
I think people are more pissed at people just keep asking the same dozen or so questions each thread.

[Anonymous No.21279175]

>>21278905
So what were you hoping when posting this.

[Anonymous No.21279184]

>>21278840
Do you have actual critique about those writers that doesn’t involve /r9k/ bullshit?

[Anonymous No.21279194]

>>21278743
>>21278760
Ah, that's sad. But at least he's not suffering.

[Anonymous No.21279212]

>>21278425
With his first book he published.

[Anonymous No.21279216]

>>21278817
>Lois McMaster Bujold
Good author, shame she's not talked more in here, then again, its for the best if she isn't.

[Anonymous No.21279226]

>>21278817
>roasties
>great authors

[Anonymous No.21279227]

>>21279226
>Stupid frogposter has a terrible opinion
Doesn’t shock me one bit.

[Anonymous No.21279228]

read it

[Anonymous No.21279231]

>>21279228
So when are you going to stop spamming this? Been like four threads now.

[Anonymous No.21279237]

>>21278425
I hated Riverworld.

[Anonymous No.21279240]

>>21279237
And what does that have to do with the question

[Anonymous No.21279243]

>>21279231
until you read it

[Anonymous No.21279247]

>>21279226
Based. Only fluorided low-T mongs read roastie books.

[Anonymous No.21279249]

>>21279226
Were you hoping /sffg/ would applaud you for having such stunning and brave opinion?

[Anonymous No.21279257]

>>21279228
No and you shilling it in every thread makes me less incline to read it.

[Anonymous No.21279260]

>>21279216
Her fantasy series, Sharing Knife is low-key Kino.

[Anonymous No.21279264]

>>21279260
I'll probably get around to reading that when I have the time to do so, I'm currently reading her Vorkosigan Saga and loving every second of it.

[Anonymous No.21279269]

>>21278905
>visual novel
Stopped reading here, go fuck yourself and go back to /a/ or whatever board you come from.

[Anonymous No.21279273]

literally all the (main) books in this series have absurdly high ratings on Goodreads, is there no chance that they're actually good? i've only read the first Mistborn trilogy and it was OK, solid action fantasy fare, but the dialogue was horrible. what's SA like?

[Anonymous No.21279276]

>>21279260
It's very smutty though. Bujold putting her young girl/Older man fetish on full display.
I finished up The Spirit Ring last night and it was great. I found the fact that the protagonist was a (half) black girl lusting over white boys amusing.

[Anonymous No.21279281]

>>21279273
I will never read this author because of /lit's shilling

[Anonymous No.21279282]

>>21279276
>It's very smutty though
Yeah, no shit, it’s almost as if I read the books. Read my post more clearly next time.

[Anonymous No.21279283]

>>21279281
Sounds like you're a drone

[Anonymous No.21279287]

>>21279273
Read it and find out.

[Anonymous No.21279291]

>>21279273
Stormlight Archive is a Marvel movie in text format. Do you like the Avengers movies? That's what SLA is, except with a mostly irrelevant fantasy coat of paint. The first couple of books are literally just superhero origin stories.

[Anonymous No.21279303]

>>21279283
Yeah, unfortunately, some people will not read a book because they think it would make them look cool in /sffg/ like it was some sort of highschool group.

[Anonymous No.21279306]

>>21279273
they can be enjoyable in places but they are very long and meandering, and the dialogue can be awful. other anon calling them marvel movies is spot on. that or the anime naruto

[Anonymous No.21279307]

Any good space horror books? I mean stuff like Event Horizon or the Dead Space game

[Anonymous No.21279311]

>>21279307
>>21278469

[Anonymous No.21279313]

>>21279307
Blindsight has a strong horror bend to it

[Anonymous No.21279317]

>There are no more nations!
based

[Anonymous No.21279319]

>>21279273
Many modern novels that become extremely popular do so in part because, like fast food, they're accessible, cheap, and don't taste like total shit (content wise). Sanderson is fine if you want something on the go, but if you're expecting a five-star butter basted prime rib eye then just fucking lol

[Anonymous No.21279321]

>>21279319
>Food analogy
biggest sign you're a midwit and not worth listening to.

[Anonymous No.21279322]

>science fiction fantasy general
>soi redditors report you for posting prose from science fiction and fantasy

[Anonymous No.21279327]

>>21279321
mald more sanderson ball licker

[Anonymous No.21279332]

>>21279154
Maybe if someone answered them they wouldn’t ask them. Also I’ve been yelled at here the same way for asking a question once so they’re clearly just schizos

[Anonymous No.21279343]

>>21279322
It gets worse
>4chan /lit/ board
>soi redditors report you for posting

[Anonymous No.21279358]

>>21278603
Name the three (3) most note worthy incel heroes you know of.

[Anonymous No.21279372]

>>21279358
Elliot Rodger, George Sodini and Chris Harper-Mercer. They speak to be on a spiritual and emotional level.

[Anonymous No.21279381]

>>21279332
lit niggas really be like

>this author is great!
>oh yeah? Which one of his books do you recommend?
>UUUUUH figure it out for yourself u lazy chudderino!

[Anonymous No.21279393]

>>21279332
>Maybe if someone answered them they wouldn’t ask them
Except the questions have been answered a hundred times, possibly more. At a certain point, it gets tiresome.

[Anonymous No.21279407]

>>21279372
>Elliot Rodger, George Sodini and Chris Harper-Mercer.
People who did nothing of worth are your heroes?

[Anonymous No.21279430]

>>21279358
Aristotle, Schopenhauer, Kant

[Anonymous No.21279441]

>>21279393
It’s just plain laziness to use Warosu at that point.

[Anonymous No.21279445]

>>21279441
to not use*

[Anonymous No.21279463]

>>21279154
I like the ones that can be easily answered if they use a search engine, just really hammers home how they don’t really care about the question they’re asking.

[Anonymous No.21279465]

>>21279441
What is that

[Anonymous No.21279466]

>>21279463
Some people want the take of the board they're on.

[Anonymous No.21279476]

>>21279466
Stupid fucking reason then, if that’s true.

[Anonymous No.21279484]

>>21279466
>take of the board they’re on
>how do I export/import on goodreads
Took me a literal minute to find the answer and if I recall, it on the second link. Don’t know he needed /sffg/ for that.

[Anonymous No.21279491]

>>21279476
Cope. If you had zero interest in lit's take on things you wouldn't be here.

>>21279484
Do you know what a take is? I'm obviously referring to books retard.

[Anonymous No.21279492]

>>21277060
Chapterhouse, easy.

Next question.

[Anonymous No.21279498]

Tolkien

[Anonymous No.21279515]

>>21279476
It's not the first time this newfag has shat up a thread because of this exact topic.

[Anonymous No.21279520]

>>21278521
ehhhhh

ringworld is fine to experience once, but it's not really well-written and its strengths are instead the ideas/sci-fi exploration. it has some pretty incongruous parts too as the whole setup with ringworld was trying to be very "hard sci-fi before that was a thing" so niven did a lot of research to make ringworld believable scientifically, but then shoves in a literal barbarella knockoff who is literally the luckiest being alive and can create "lucky" outcomes. Also has a bunch of psychic mind-reading mumbo-jumbo.

as a teen it was like 4.5/5 and then when i read it after i had been exposed to real life as an adult it fell to like 3/5, with 1 star being awarded for novelty/nostalgia.

[Anonymous No.21279521]

>>21279515
And this isn’t the first time you shat up /sffg/ by calling everyone a newfag you creep.

[Anonymous No.21279536]

Just finished Mother of Learning: ARC 1, I thought it was very good

[Anonymous No.21279537]

>>21279521
Newfags call people newfags to not look like newfags, but end up looking more like newfags than newfags who don't call people newfags.

[Anonymous No.21279538]

>>21279536
Okay.

[Anonymous No.21279543]

>>21279498
Is fucking shit

[Anonymous No.21279571]

>>21279537
Or it’s just some old man who has nothing going for him and as a coping mechanism takes pride wasting years on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.21279581]

>>21279536
Good for you, Anon. You plan on finishing?

[Anonymous No.21279598]

>>21279536
Why did you think it was good.

[Anonymous No.21279618]

Where the fuck is Bakker? Are we getting The No-God or what?

[Anonymous No.21279619]

>>21279543
You were just filtered by him.

[Anonymous No.21279634]

>>21279476
Wouldn’t surprise me. Some guy actually waited like four hours for a recommendation instead of searching for it himself. You just got to accept that there’s people like that.

[Anonymous No.21279655]

>>21279465
Check the OP.

[Anonymous No.21279665]

>>21279319
Why do retards always use food as a metaphor?

[Anonymous No.21279682]

>>21279665
It's easier for retarded fatties from America to understand figures of speech when they're laced with food references. I'm sure you understand.

[Anonymous No.21279683]

>>21279303
You forgot that some people can’t decide on a book either.

[Anonymous No.21279686]

>>21279581
yes, but im thinking about reading world war z or reading the wandering inn book 1 before i read the rest of Mother of Learning

>>21279598
I liked the route the MC took with the whole time loop, there weren't fights every second like most of these books force nowadays, the pacing was good, and the book made me curious to discover the plot, making theories in my head and everything

[Anonymous No.21279698]

>>21277871
>Severian does have growth throughout the story, the biggest spurt is probably in the first third of the next book, but not only.
I've now read what you're referring to and I disagree that that's character growth, but it's mostly a matter of semantics. Character growth to me is adaptive internal change that occurs due to the passage of time and events to where the character gains life experience through the choices that are made. I don't think that's what has happened here. Severian's change, which is substantial indeed, is mostly of external origin. Instead of growth it's more like superimposition. I didn't say there wasn't any growth at all. I'm also basing that from the beginning of the journey. Obviously he has both physical growth and maturation versus when he was a child.

>Most of what you type is total horseshit.
From the perspective of someone who has finished botns, and possibly the entire solar cycle, I can understand how you may think that. I can only write about what I've read so far. Especially in a series like this that's going to leave a lot to be desired. If you have specific complaints, then state them and I'll address them. All I can offer is my personal viewpoint. I don't see any sense in providing an objective summary. That can be gotten elsewhere. As I read more my opinion may change. If you think that nothing ought to be written at all until the entire series is read, then I think that's a valid argument, but it's clearly one I disagree with.

[Anonymous No.21279701]

>>21279682
I’m not American, so no.

[Anonymous No.21279713]

>>21279698
You should wait until finishing all the books.

[Anonymous No.21279712]

There was this pulp book I read, it must have been in middle school, where this plane full of high school kids gets abducted by aliens (I remember there was a girl who died from choking on vomit in zero g) and sends them to their planet for tests or some shit. The aliens choose a fat incel as a liason with extra privileges, and he takes the opportunity to take a girl as a sex slave. Does anybody know what I'm talking about?

[Anonymous No.21279718]

>>21279712
>Does anybody know what I'm talking about?
no

[Anonymous No.21279729]

>>21279712
Have you tried using google or Reddit to expand your search?

[Anonymous No.21279741]

>>21279712
You sure you didn't have a dream or something? Because that's no pulp book I remember.

[Anonymous No.21279759]

>>21279686
Wandering inn is shit and so is world war Z. Just keep on reading Mother of learning.

[Anonymous No.21279764]

>>21279729
Yes I have, and all the results I've dug thru in the masses of /x/ conspiracies have nothing to do with what I'm talking about
>>21279741
I think saying "pulp" was misleading, I didn't mean something in that era eg. early 20th century. It was probably from the 70s or 80s, it was just printed in one of those shitty cheap paperbacks only slightly bigger than your hand

[Anonymous No.21279776]

>>21279713
I could, but I don't want to. There isn't sufficient reason for me not to, so I won't.

[Anonymous No.21279780]

>>21279764
>it was just printed in one of those shitty cheap paperbacks only slightly bigger than your hand
Then you mean science fiction in this case.

[Anonymous No.21279782]

>>21279759
I'm reading World War Z right now. Are all the interviews about how it started or does this shit eventually progress?

[Anonymous No.21279788]

>>21279782
yes, in fact one of my biggest complaints of wwz is that shit hits the fan too quickly

[Anonymous No.21279815]

>>21279782
Man I remember reading it right when US Covid cases started popping up. The weeks before that I'd seen a bunch of leaked vids from China of people collapsing or just straight dropping dead from it off the street. Legit gave me a panic attack, that's how imersed I got.

[Anonymous No.21279848]

>>21279788
Really? I must be getting pretty close then. I don't have the book on me (read it at work), but I think I'm either at or a couple interviews pass the Palestinian kid who got smacked up by his pops.

>>21279815
kek I could see how reading this around that time could give someone the spooks.

[Anonymous No.21279852]

>>21279782
it get worse and the author doesn't know jack shit about the shit he's talking about. Especially when it comes to guns and the sort.

[Anonymous No.21279880]

>>21279815
You need to differentiate reality from fiction.

[Anonymous No.21279884]

I finished Red Rising and liked it

[Anonymous No.21279889]

>>21277931
You got any with the roles reverse?

[Anonymous No.21279891]

>>21279884
The beginning bit about having to pull to break the neck was so kino. I need to go back and finish it. Did you like it enough to read the sequel?

[Anonymous No.21279892]

>>21279889
no

[Anonymous No.21279896]

>>21279884
Read the hunger games, it’s basically the same thing.

[Anonymous No.21279913]

>>21279782
>I'm reading World War Z right now.
You should listen to the audiobook. It's one of the few instances where it makes more sense as the entire book was conceptualized as series of transcribed audio interviews.

[Anonymous No.21279917]

>>21279655
What is op

[Anonymous No.21279921]

>>21276239
>dat feel when author died and will never conclude the Dinosaur Lord series

[Anonymous No.21279927]

>>21279917
You really must have nothing going for you to keep on pretending to be a retard.

[Anonymous No.21279931]

>>21279307
Firefall/Blindsight.

[Anonymous No.21279935]

Why does this autistic cunt feel the need to reply to every single question about a book with: "read it yourself and find out". It's like sometimes you want to know something about a book without reading the whole fucking thing jesus christ you miserable cunt

[Anonymous No.21279942]

>>21279935
Because reading is how you find out about a book? That’s the entire purpose of a book, to be read.

[Anonymous No.21279955]

>>21279307
Solaris is creepy, but it takes place on an alien world instead of outer-space.

[Anonymous No.21279956]

>>21279935
>Why is an anon telling me to read a book in a board dedicated to reading books
Is this how far /lit/ has fallen?

[Anonymous No.21279971]

>>21279891
probably but i'm a sicko
>>21279896
didn't expect the last two thirds to kind of become Hunger Game-ish, I still liked where they took the premise of a bunch of blood thirsty gigachad teens into a Battle Royale situation

[Anonymous No.21279978]

>>21279942
I'd love to know how many people read a wiki summary and TvTropes entry, and then pretend they've actually read the book. For some reason.

[Anonymous No.21280011]

>>21279935
Because sometimes the questions are downright retarded: “I’m interested in [x] book, or a friend lent me a book what do?” Or even worse: “I just bought like this book, what am I in for?” Just telling them to read the book and find out is the best course of action.

>>21279978
Considering how some people get mad at being told to read a book, I doubt they’ll read a wiki summary or even go to tvtropes.

[Anonymous No.21280012]

>>21279935
back of the book blurbs exist for a reason

[Anonymous No.21280034]

>>21279935
>It's like sometimes you want to know something about a book without reading the whole fucking thing
Then read the blurb. It's like you never read a book before and it shows.
>I don't want to read the blurb on the back
Then watch some youtube video about the book and fuck off.

>>21279978
>>21280011
I'm starting to believe only a few anons even read, if at all.

[Anonymous No.21280037]

Just finished The Thousandfold Thought. Glad that whole Holy War thing got sorted out, I guess I'll go through the encyclopedia at the end.

>Mandate scholars are prone to make dire warnings about the present numbers of Sranc in Eärwa. Apparently the ancient Norsirai had reduced the Sranc, pressing them to the margins of Eärwa, and the No-God was still able to summon hosts that reportedly blackened the horizon. Now Sranc dominate half the continent.

[Anonymous No.21280055]

>>21276741
Robin Hobb

[Anonymous No.21280059]

>>21277060
The first one

[Anonymous No.21280062]

>>21279978
>I'd love to know how many people read a wiki summary and TvTropes entry
You have too much faith for the people here. I’ve come to accept that most anons here haven’t read the books they’re talking about but are just going off what others have said in the past.

[Anonymous No.21280072]

>>21279935
>It's like sometimes you want to know something about a book without reading the whole fucking thing
And there's multiple ways to do that, but I don't know why you need the help of anonymous internet strangers to do it for you.

[Anonymous No.21280073]

Can anyone recommend some fantasy stories that lean toward the Man vs Wild type? I've read all the Conan and Kain and Elric and all that. I just really like stories about trying to survive in a hostile wilderness.

[Anonymous No.21280076]

>>21279935
some people don't want this to be a place where you discuss books, it's just a thread for their whining

[Anonymous No.21280079]

>>21280073
Do you accept post-apocalypse books?

[Anonymous No.21280081]

>>21280079
I mean, sure, but most of that kind I've read have been cringe EMP survival wank. Why is that even a genre?

[Anonymous No.21280083]

>>21278791
“women fantasy authors bad”
>Robin Hobb, Ursula K. Le Guin

[Anonymous No.21280092]

>>21280081
>Why is that even a genre?
Because people want to read that? Are you dumb or something?

[Anonymous No.21280093]

>>21280083
Hobb is definitely bad. Some of the Fitz books were decent, but that's more than offset by how fucking horrendous most of her other series are. The Soldier Son series especially is borderline incomprehensibly bad.

[Anonymous No.21280098]

>>21279273
I personally greatly enjoy Sanderson, but his books aren’t exactly high art. Prose is Marvel movie-grade or (at best) slightly better. The worldbuilding side of things is always interesting, and they’re good as a “turn your brain off” read.

[Anonymous No.21280104]

>>21279978
>TVTropes
fuck off

[Anonymous No.21280112]

>>21280076
If you want a post that prompt discussion then make it better than “what am I in for” or it’s many variants.

[Anonymous No.21280124]

>>21280083
Someone already mentioned them, they still didn't like them.

[Anonymous No.21280131]

>>21280104
Did he strike a nerve or something?

[Anonymous No.21280144]

>>21280124
Don’t know how anyone could hate them? They wrote good stories that still hold up to this day.

[Anonymous No.21280146]

>>21277300
Junk

[Anonymous No.21280147]

>>21280146
Yes, like all genre books, what's your point?

[Anonymous No.21280169]

>>21280144
>Don’t know how anyone could hate them?
Female authors so the fags don't bother reading them. Who knows, maybe they were filtered by the stories or are going off what others said.

[Anonymous No.21280175]

>>21279971
Golden Son is way better than Red Rising, it drops the Hunger Games schtick and goes full space opera

[Anonymous No.21280177]

>>21280098
And apt and appropriate description of him.

[Anonymous No.21280193]

>>21279971
> I still liked where they took the premise of a bunch of blood thirsty gigachad teens into a Battle Royale situation
Yeah, that’s hunger games and it’s copies entire premise.

[Anonymous No.21280218]

>>21280034
>I'm starting to believe only a few anons even read, if at all.
What even is reading?

[Anonymous No.21280219]

>>21279931
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.21280223]

>>21280218
the action or skill of reading written or printed matter silently or aloud

[Anonymous No.21280236]

Finally started reading Egan in earnest. Starting with Distress. Damn it's good scifi. Funny too. Anyone else think the documentarist's first segment about the billionaire changing his own DNA is also a reference to Blood Music? When was this written, 1995. Damn, what a god.

[Anonymous No.21280251]

>>21280236
>Anyone else think the documentarist's first segment about the billionaire changing his own DNA is also a reference to Blood Music?
Might be just you, anon.

[Anonymous No.21280257]

>>21278743
>>21278760
Jesus, sad to see him go.

[Anonymous No.21280259]

It's based

[Anonymous No.21280260]

>>21280259
Okay.

[Anonymous No.21280262]

>>21280260
ok

[Anonymous No.21280266]

>>21280251
>t.

[Anonymous No.21280282]

>>21280257
Yeah, but at least he was with family.

[Anonymous No.21280284]

*mogs the thread*

[Anonymous No.21280287]

>Humans are like isolated islands, floating in the sea of fate.
>Human encounters are like the collision of these loneliness islands, and once they touch, there would be an effect.
>Sometimes, the islands would stick together, in the name of ‘interest’, ‘kinship’, ‘friendship’, ‘love’ and ‘hate’.
>But eventually, they would separate, walking towards the path of destruction.
>This is the truth behind life.
>Unfortunately people are always afraid of being alone, they craved the liveliness of human crowd, and they refused to do nothing with their time.
>Because once they face loneliness, it meant facing pain and hardship.
>But once they can face this pain, people would obtain talent and courage. Thus, there is a saying — High achievers are definitely lonely.

[Anonymous No.21280293]

>>21280284
Meh, it lost its luster since he keep on posting randomly.

[Anonymous No.21280307]

>>21280284
>No teste the shelf
Jesus

[Anonymous No.21280308]

>>21280284
Would be impressive if it were yours and not someone else from those shelf threads.

[Anonymous No.21280314]

>>21280307
Hey, don’t be mean to him, do you know how much money he wasted to impress random strangers?

[Anonymous No.21280318]

>>21280259
That's nice

[Anonymous No.21280321]

>>21280169
Yeah, you’re most likely like

[Anonymous No.21280323]

>>21280314
Yeah he spent $40 at a goodwill

[Anonymous No.21280334]

>>21280333
>>21280333
>>21280333
migrate, gentlemen

[Anonymous No.21280340]

>>21280334
Why make a new thread? We're still at page 1?

[Anonymous No.21280342]

>>21280334
But why though? We can still discuss things here. We still have hours until the thread is bumped off.

[Anonymous No.21280347]

>>21280340
>>21280342
Supply and demand, supply and demand. The opportunity to create a new thread has been seized.

[Anonymous No.21280357]

>>21280347
Just say you wanted to shitpost and ruin /sffg/ retard.

[Anonymous No.21280364]

>>21280357
Consider the land conquered. Your ruler has arrived.

[Anonymous No.21280386]

>>21280334
Great, /sffg/ is fucking dead now because of you retard.

[Anonymous No.21280395]

>>21280334
>migrate, gentlemen
No and you can go fuck yourself, wait until page 10 you dumbfuck.

[Anonymous No.21280405]

>>21280386
Absolutely nothing of value was lost

[Anonymous No.21280434]

>>21280334
New thread is absolutely dogshit. I ain't migrating.

what have you guys been reading? Any new books you're looking forward to?

[Anonymous No.21280452]

>>21280434
>what have you guys been reading?
Some paranormal book called Deliver us from evil. Currently in the third chapter and so far, I’m rather ambivalent towards it so far. Feels like the author could do better if he tried.

[Anonymous No.21280454]

>>21280452
Also, forgot to mention, but I like that he did some research in Roman Catholicism. It does get me immersed in the story somewhat.

[Anonymous No.21280479]

>>21280452
>Deliver us from evil
I think I watch the movie about that. Didn't know it was a book.

[Anonymous No.21280682]

>>21280479
>they said the Horus Heresy books from WH40K would be good.
>Read the first chapter
>It reads like fan fiction from wattpad...
Should I go on, anons?

[Anonymous No.21280967]

>>21279956
/lit/ hasn't been good since pre-deletion /r9k/; this board itself has always been trash full of the dumbest newfags who can't keep quiet.

[Anonymous No.21281317]

>>21278827
I was so disappointed the pic you posted was just a painting and not an actual book...
>>21278835
Farnham's Freehold. What would you bring to your shelter when shit hits the fan? Whom would you breed with when you are with the last group of people left alive?

[Anonymous No.21281437]

>>21279698
No, it is not a matter of semantics.

Severian throughout the first 2 whole books is non-stop talking about how he is a torturer (which is also related with all the talk about at which point he became a man). That's who he is, that's who everyone seems him as (outside of the Citadel Severian is seen as an almost mythical figure). Then in the second book, after reuniting with Dorcas, she gives this extremely important line about how "People don't want other people to be people."

In the beginning of the third book, Severian goes to a costume party, and while on the way there he has this line of thinking "Hey, imagine if the Conciliator came to this party [he did] and froze time. Everyone will be frozen into something they aren't [they are pretending to be something they aren't because of the costumes], but only I, Severian, will forever be what I truly am, a torturer [as he is in his torturer garb]".

Then a few hours later he goes down the same steps he had the above thought, saying how not only he is not a torturer but also that he never really he was one. And then during his escape, even though it's dangerous for him, he goes back to the hut with the sick children, even though previously he didn't do anything to them.

This all is symbolically extremely important for Severian as a character. It's not a matter of neither semantics nor is it something that is minor. In the 4th book we get even more details why this journey from the torturer to the Conciliator is so important as well. It is absolutely necessary that it happened before all the later events. For the New Sun and everything else.

You are a complete brainlet.

[Anonymous No.21281454]

>>21279892
Gor books.
Kushiel's Dart.

[Anonymous No.21281479]

>>21281437
>>21281437

Yes, I agree with everything you've stated. It's a matter of why that I disagree with. After Severian eats Thecla he becomes every increasingly more her and less himself. He states multiple time that her personality is increasingly taking over. That's why he changes so much as you noted in the third book and before that as well. I don't consider that character growth. If you do, that's your decision. Also, Severian really doesn't take what Dorcas says seriously, he even says so.

That's one interpretation of why he helps the children. I saw it as more as a controlled experiment to test the claw's powers to prove to himself that it does what he think it does. He states at the time that before then he never truly believed in its powers. I don't think he does it out of kindness at that point. It's still self-interest.

[Anonymous No.21281508]

>>21281479
He doesn't change because of the alzabo analeptic. His transformation began before then, remember for example he spared Agia before meeting Vodalus.

The view that after the analeptic Severian is a completely different character is on multiple occasions disproven by the book, the most strongly nearing the end of book 4. He is as much himself as at any time before that, only sometimes Thecla's memories push to the to the fore. He still has one personality, only with Thecla's memories afterwards. Not a new personality emerging from the analeptic a la Major from GitS, and not two personalities - one influencing and changing the other.

You have a misconception regarding what is happening with Thecla's memories and how the analeptic works. Read the rest of book 3 and book 4.

[Anonymous No.21281515]

>>21281479
Also, you view that Thecla's memories somehow make Severian more humane are disproven by many facts we learn later about Thecla herself, She was no angel.

[Anonymous No.21281518]

>>21277931
Consider stories written by Snek Guy, mostly his Pinwheel series. But we warned it's mostly monster/alien girls.

[Anonymous No.21281523]

>>21280682
Not worth unless you're super invested in 40k lore. The good books are disconnected from one another and require background knowledge to enjoy.

For example the only book in the Horus Heresy worth reading is book #41. So either you can read through dogshit to get to it, skip all the proceeding books and fill the gaps with lore knowledge, or just avoid the series altogether. The best 40k I've ever read has been from Chris Wraight and Mike Brooks

[Anonymous No.21281547]

>>21281508
>>21281515

XX - Circle of Sorcerers
>when Thecla had for a time displaced my own personality.

Then there's the part, which I can't find at the moment, where he talks about how it literally changed his brain in a physical manner. It's not just memories. There's a lot where he states he's less himself. No doubt he's going to take in many more people later and become far less who he was until the Severian that started with is just a tiny part of the personality matrix.

I never said anything about it making him more humane. I don't think it does at all.

[Anonymous No.21281564]

>>21281547
Read the rest of the books.

On multiple occasions what Severian is saying is not what actually is happening (like with the party, or his response to Dorcas about "People,,,").

Even if you go for a symbolic reading of the book, nothing makes sense it terms of meaning if you take on board what you have said.

The whole point of the book is that Severian and his journey, not the Thecla memories or the rest of the Autarchs' - is the key to the New Sun.

From interviews with Wolfe is also obvious this is what he had in mind. The alzabo part is important, but not for changing the core of Severian like you imply. It has a completely different function in the book, both plot wise and meaning wise.

[Anonymous No.21281575]

Whoever reccd me Understand last thread it was pretty good thanks.

[Anonymous No.21281588]

>>21281564
Well, I'll come to my own conclusions. If you want to say that you have the one true understanding, then I'm alright with that, but that doesn't mean I have to go along with it.