/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20949294]

I readed maps of meaning and thought it was an exhilarating adventure through the reesesses, of the human mind. Some of the personal antidotes get quite dense but man I don't understand why people on here don't like him. he's on our side when you look at the big picture

[Anonymous No.20949299]

>he's on our side
Which side are we in again?

[Anonymous No.20949304]

>>20949299
checked, we stand for traditional values god country and bible

[Anonymous No.20949306]

lmao

[Anonymous No.20949315]

>>20949306
that isn't in maps of meaning faggot face

[Anonymous No.20949329]

Two kinds of people have legitimate grievances with JP, and that's trannies and nationalists, so there you go.

Personally, I don't really have strong feelings about him. He's okay. It was fun to listen to those initial lectures he uploaded, before the whole thing became such a spectacle. I don't think he should be involved too deeply in politics, since he's a psychologist, and he has no business being at the forefront of these debates.

[Anonymous No.20949344]

>>20949329
I think he is planning to get into politics.

[Anonymous No.20949352]

>>20949344
Checked. I think him joining Shapiro's Messianic racket is the springboard to a political career. I used to hate the people who called him a "grifter", but for fuck's sake - what a grifter.

[Anonymous No.20949359]

>>20949344
He shouldn't. He may be able to break down the mentalities of your average college campus communist pretty good, but that's different to actually knowing politics.
There are things going on in the world beyond everyone being bitter and crazy. People ARE bitter and crazy, it's just that's not the whole story.

[Anonymous No.20949360]

>>20949329
polshit has atrophied your brain

only lazy thinkers think peterson has anything interesting to say outside of his highly specialized position within academia and even that's suspect like a red amogos

[Anonymous No.20949366]

>>20949294
I don't read someone who is so ignorant about European culture and literature. If someone isn't on my level, I don't even read his wikipedia page.

[Anonymous No.20949367]

>>20949360
I liked the part where he went through the book of Genesis and tried to explain what he thought it all meant. Why am I not supposed to enjoy this content?

[Anonymous No.20949370]

>>20949367
just more tradcath larping like a good little polpiggy

[Anonymous No.20949372]

>>20949370
No. I wouldn't call myself particularly religious.

[Anonymous No.20949381]

>>20949366
Jordan Peterson is well-versed in European culture and literature. Under which rock have you been living?

[Anonymous No.20949385]

>>20949372
so you take the word of a charlatan, fantastic use of your time ;)

[Anonymous No.20949400]

>>20949385
I enjoyed hearing the man talk about a book. Could just as easily have been any other man. I don't have strong feelings toward Jordan Peterson.

[Anonymous No.20949402]

>>20949381
He isn't. If you were well-versed you would get how cringe his lectures are. Brainlet-tier understanding of everything, his mouth is full of commonplaces and lacks of deep reflection.

[Anonymous No.20949405]

>>20949402
List ten times he was wrong. and why.

[Anonymous No.20949407]

>>20949402
jesus, i bet you're fun at parties. what did he do to you? kill your dog?

[Anonymous No.20949413]

>>20949400
he does sound like kermit lmao

[Anonymous No.20949416]

>>20949413
He does, tbf

[Anonymous No.20949417]

>>20949407
imagine going to bat for this prime midwit

[Anonymous No.20949420]

>>20949407
>>20949417
I just want to read actual philosophers, okay?

[Anonymous No.20949434]

>readed
>reesesses

>be me
>open up /lit/
>bait JBP thread with 20+ replies
The absolute state

[Anonymous No.20949441]

>>20949434
>>be me

[Anonymous No.20949444]

>>20949417
You seem like you're upset about a man you don't know much about for reasons you can't articulate.

[Anonymous No.20949490]

Thread over. lol

[Anonymous No.20949493]

>>20949299
The side that doesn't want to chemically castrate children

[Anonymous No.20949514]

juden peterstein

[Anonymous No.20949520]

>>20949444
don't worry I've seen all his meme interviews

[Anonymous No.20949522]

>>20949514
oh, look a /pol/ bot out in the wild

[Anonymous No.20949539]

>>20949520
Point out ten times he was wrong.

[Anonymous No.20949561]

>>20949539
Dualist reasoning, uh? 0-1, 1-0, 0-0, 1-1? That's the best you can conceive?
It's not about being wrong or right, it's about quality, the in-between range that you can't see.

[Anonymous No.20949562]

>>20949539
I like when he acts like an oil industry stooge.
Or when he says he doesn't understand multivariate mathematics, truly inspiring to see an intellect like that come so far.

He'll fit right in with benny boy down at the wire :)

[Anonymous No.20949564]

>>20949493
Both sides do that though

[Anonymous No.20949567]

>>20949562
Well that's one (saying you don't understand something doesn't make you wrong).
When did he specifically act like an oil industry stooge?

[Anonymous No.20949579]

>>20949567
Any time he brings up anything related to oil lmao

yeah he was on a committee, to provide economical evidence in favour of corporate pragmatism, hmm...

[Anonymous No.20949591]

>Some of the personal antidotes get quite dense but man I don't understand why people on here don't like him.

That tends to be the problem with stupid people, they don't actually know they're stupid

[Anonymous No.20949593]

>>20949567
I think this is unfair criticism. You should always separate a man's philosophy from his actions. Then judge him for his philosophy, not for his actions.

[Anonymous No.20949596]

>>20949579
I don't know. When did he bring up anything related to oil?

[Anonymous No.20949611]

>>20949593
>you should judge someone by his philosophy, and not by whether he actually implements it in his own life

This is one of the biggest midwit red flags, well done

[Anonymous No.20949620]

>>20949611
Moran, philosophy is thinking about the way you living not actually living it

[Anonymous No.20949624]

>>20949596
I don't know

[Anonymous No.20950298]

>>20949294
>he's on our side
lol no
Whenever a dude in a suit goes "I know whats wrong with you young man" it means he wants you do die for some pet cause. That's just how ti is.

[Anonymous No.20950368]

>>20950298
>he's not on our side because men in suits are ... le BAD
is this a leftypol raid? You dislike due to the narcissism of small differences. Name one concrete thing where your opinion significantly differs from his. You can't and you won't, faggot face.

[Anonymous No.20950385]

>>20950368
He believes in the primacy of evolutionary destiny over the motivation of something greater. He sees the destiny of society to be undetached from biology, and cannot fathom the emergence of a delineating greatness in Man's soul.

Also his daughter fucks chinless child traffickers.

[Anonymous No.20950420]

>>20950385
>False equivalence is an informal fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.
Believing in the inevitable influence of biology is not equivalent to raising it up to some sort of inexorable destiny.
>cannot fathom the emergence of a delineating greatness in Man's soul.
Babble. What do you even mean by that? Once you have delineated your delineation, feel free to deign to provide an example.
>Also his daughter fucks chinless child traffickers.
His daughter is a whore, I'll concede that. But he is not responsible for her behavior.

[Anonymous No.20950443]

>>20949620
What a fucking massive faggot you are

[Anonymous No.20950476]

>>20950443
I will politely remind you that calling me a "fucking massive faggot" is not an argument.

[Anonymous No.20950497]

>As a teenager, Peterson decided that "religion was for the ignorant, weak and superstitious" and hoped for a left-wing revolution, a hope that lasted until he met left-wing activists in college.
>As a young man, Peterson became obsessed with the Cold War and the possibility of a nuclear apocalypse.

I don't know what to do with this information

[Anonymous No.20950509]

>>20949564
that's rich

[Anonymous No.20950512]

>>20950497
He's a complex man with many facets that bespeak an arduous course of personal growth and development, the knowledge of which he imparts to not only his students, but also his patients as a clinical psychologist. That's pretty much my take on those two factoids. Now how wants to do some coke?

[Anonymous No.20950538]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiauKhdI7a0

[Anonymous No.20950557]

>>20950538
i have seen this video before, . he can change your life if you let me. into your heat..... we put your thoughts so much on astrology and other such systens of relationships, things like that but what matters is more than matter or stardust. we have to gorge into ourself and be who we already always have been through the capaity of of mythic background. we were so moved to tears when we saw this video it made us stain our britches for the way to see how we are being in the world, but through the lense of myth and all the connection that makes us human

[Anonymous No.20950574]

no one mentions this anymore, but I figured he was retarded back when he tweeted that Gödel's incompleteness theorems proved that God exists or something.

[Anonymous No.20950576]

>>20950557
Yeah but the fucking 300 pound Dominican woman in my peloton class is running ten times the speed of me, and I'm only 110 pounds. How the hell do I keep up or even hope to attain her gains?

[Anonymous No.20950580]

>>20950576
i honestly dont know what you're talking about...i am sorry for your lots

[Anonymous No.20950704]

bump

[Anonymous No.20950933]

>>20950580
They need to do way instain mother> who kill thier babbys, becuse these babby cant fright back? It was on the news this mroing a mother in ar who had kill her three kids, they are taking the three babby back to new york too lady to rest. my pary are with the father who lost his chrilden

[Anonymous No.20951132]

>>20949294
Here are some criticisms you need to know as an informed reader:
>on masculinity/femininity as order and chaos
He is right when he says conservatism likes to put up boundaries and liberalism takes them down. What is very important here is that this is analogous to "unity" and "diversity" (be careful not to interpret these as buzzwords but see how they logistically generalize). Unity is feminine (because women are more interested in people, relationships) and multiplicity is masculine (men are more interested in things, also why Adam names the animals in the garden, men categorize and systematize, and as such Autism is a hypermasculine disorder).
Peterson says femininity is chaos but by doing so he categorizes unity as chaos and due to that there is an imbalance happening towards hypercategorization, to divide everything as much as possible into rational structures so that you have "order", but because of Peterson's language game, order actually is valued as the disruption of unity, because unity has become categorizes as "chaos" and therefore a negative (though he does say it is necessary to have it, the valuation is off and this creates serious consequences).
>on Will to Power
Peterson's misreading of the masculine and feminine categories is general to his misreading of Nietzsche.

Master morality:
The value of competence = power (means)
The value of power = love (end)

Slave morality:
The value of competence = love
The value of power = power

Slave moralists understand power as predation which is why Peterson says power is arbitrary while competence is not. Competence in no matter what circumstance is always valued in terms of power (contextually referred to as "proficiency"). Slave moralists, in a rather Freudian manner, unconsciously become the object of their own disgust because they see power as the enemy rather than the means to every end (by having the "means", you have the power). Their desire to be free from the powers that oppress them is only the desire for power themselves, and because they call the will to power "evil" they necessarily become self-hating hypocrites.
The cognitive process of slave moralism is to escape from a stressor, to move away from the undesired rather than to move towards the desired. This informs the language they use. A slave moralist will think "will to power = power valued for its own sake", that is because they are trapped in the slave moralist language game.

[Anonymous No.20951242]

>>20951132
>on radical individualism
All phenomena is relational. Aristotle said this about time; all moments can be infinitely subdivided. This means that unity is the precondition for diversity. Existence necessarily requires unity. Jung is the fact of the individualism creating diversity within the singular subject (archetypes of the personality). Radical individualism is only desired because unity is seen as chaos and therefore predatory; the solution that Peterson sees in everything is to subdivide things into categories so they can be "understood"; the problem is that multiplicity exists by virtue of negation. By calling masculinity "order" he simultaneously defines "negation" as the opposite of chaos, and therefore the secret to all understanding and truth. This is a very serious mistake because negation is the thing that draws a line, and the lines themselves literally don't exist, they just conceptually separate things that do exist. This means that Jordan Peterson's idea of truth is conceptual multiplicity, which is to say he literally believes (or he acts as though, which according to his theory literally means "he believes") that conceptual boundaries are more real than that which they signify. People have criticized Radical Individualism on the political level that it "atomizes" people, but on the cognitive front it attempts to atomize all phenomena. This is like using a pencil to create a grid on a white sheet of paper, continually adding to the grid until you cannot see any of the white anymore and the entire page is black. Negation is death, and Peterson's truth is negation, therefore his truth is death. Radical individualism destroys the concept of unity and therefore connection itself when it becomes the axiom of a psychological doctrine. Power is unity; unity is connectivity; connectivity is feminine; femininity is power. This means that Peterson's doctrine is antisocial because it literally inverts chaos and order so that negation is mistaken for unity and power desired for its own sake is mistaken for love. It also is psychoanalytically homosexual; Peterson's idolatry of competence as an answer to his demonization of power leads to a fetishization that is psychanalytically equivalent to "I hate (or fear) women, I can only feel loved by (or safe in the presence of) men".

[Anonymous No.20951281]

>>20951132
>>20951242
BUUUURRRRPPPPP

[Anonymous No.20951327]

>>20951242
>on responsibility and duty
Peterson argues "the meaning of life is to be found in responsibility". What he does not include is that responsibility is to be found in power (with great power comes great responsibility). The more responsibility, the more meaning; the idea of taking responsibility for your potential is to take responsibility for your power, and the desire to take on more responsibility is the desire to use more of your power.
Because Peterson demonizes power and builds his entire language game around that fact, he creates a neo-categorical imperative disguised as pragmatism that ignores what Nietzsche said towards Kant in Beyond Good and Evil. His attempt to create unconditional duty ethics that are justified by the idolatry of competence (which debases pragmatism into the fetishization of power for its own sake) is totalitarian.

[Anonymous No.20951345]

>>20951132
male female as order and chaos is not his concept, though, he's citing jung. furthermore peterson explains that male order is the rigidity of discipline, whereas the female chaos is akin to the spark of creativity to break that rigidity. they are complements, not opposing forces

[Anonymous No.20951354]

>>20951327
peterson does seem to believe in meritocracy, which is but a farce that keeps people dreaming that they can too can become a millionaire or a sports star or whatever

[Anonymous No.20951363]

>>20951345
>That they are complements is inferentially articulated.

[Anonymous No.20951369]

>>20951363
>in a spirit of magnanimity

[Anonymous No.20951372]

>>20951345
>he's citing jung
Jung used the terms "Logos" and "Eros", which literally means "Multiplicity" (the dividing principle) and "Unity" (the connecting principle)
He said himself that his gendering of order and chaos was an attempt at hypothesizing most the source binary of all phenomena, but it's not Jung's idea.

[Anonymous No.20951383]

>>20951345
>they are complements, not opposing forces
In Genesis it is stated that Eve's desires will be contrary to Adam's, but he will rule over her. They can harmonize but its like the tightrope walker with his pole, they are opposing forces but when they are balanced they facilitate stability (harmony).

[Anonymous No.20951398]

>>20951383
complements oppose each other just as "left" complements and opposes "right"
but the Biblical hierarchy of men over women is more akin to "above" and "below"
power is feminine, but power by definition serves something, which is the masculine principle.

[Anonymous No.20951413]

>>20949294
>>20949434
Let me play doubles advocate here. OP and JBP are pretty paste if you ask me.

[Anonymous No.20951419]

>>20951354
https://youtu.be/AXP4p1w22dA?t=494

[Anonymous No.20952052]

Incels love him