/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.20871092]

Jedi Investigation Edition

Previous Thread:>>20860653

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[Anonymous No.20871106]

Should be a comfy time

[Anonymous No.20871131]

Water sleeps

[Anonymous No.20871140]

>>20871106
Different authors for a trilogy?

[Anonymous No.20871144]

>>20871140
they're 3 short story anthologies

[Anonymous No.20871286]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=690OiCByWRc

[Anonymous No.20871326]

For me, it's Bakker, the most sublime fantasy writer known to men.

[Anonymous No.20871380]

>>20871326
gotta be honest bros, Bakker is filtering me. I'm almost 100 pages in and the names are whack, there is a lot of assuming you know what's going on in the world, and the plot is moving pretty slowly. the prose and the desire to decode whats happening are the only things keeping me invested.

[Anonymous No.20871392]

Been reading the culture lately. Betty good. I like each one better than the last.

[Anonymous No.20871397]

Has there been an instance of an author giving their characters or places names that sound original but are actually mean something embarrassing in real world languages?

[Anonymous No.20871402]

>>20871380
It is cool to hear the summary of events by a passionate fan for 30 mins, but it isn't worth it more than that

[Anonymous No.20871424]

>>20871380
The first third of the darkness that comes before is probably the hardest Bakker filer. Just keep going and it’ll start clicking. Truth shines.

[Anonymous No.20871430]

>>20871380
>the names are whack
I'm a massive Bakkerfag, but you are correct there.

[Anonymous No.20871468]

Saw at the grocery store that Paolini has another book, did he improve any since Eragon?

[Anonymous No.20871482]

>>20871380
I hated the names at first but now I enjoy them capaciously. Their weirdness and obscurity are perfectly matched for the world.
Stick with the slog anon, and you’ll be rewarded in kind.

[Anonymous No.20871492]

>>20871402
Yea Ive been reading the JMD reid chapter summaries as a follow up to each chapter. they have been helping a lot

>>20871424
I can tell that there is something good being set up. Theres so much substance to it that I want more context on, but I feel like he has to lead the reader in little by little. otherwise I imagine the book would be bloated with exposition

>>20871430
The glossary has been helping with that, but the names are so foreign to me that the setting almost feel like its Mesopotamian inspired

[Anonymous No.20871520]

Worth reading?

[Anonymous No.20871531]

>>20871520
it’s mid

[Anonymous No.20871541]

saw someone say I was too vague last thread

any fantasy that gives off "dark magician girl from yugioh" vibes? cute competent sorceress protag (not mary sue), slightly grimdark (or very grimdark), preferably no feminist undertones but a little feminism is ok since I know thats asking a lot nowadays.

[Anonymous No.20871553]

Colles (small hills on celestial objects) on Saturn's moon Titan are named after Middle-Earth characters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collis_(planetary_nomenclature)

[Anonymous No.20871561]

>>20871092
Alastair Reynolds sucks. Read pic related, there were plenty of ideas that kept my interest through the whole thing, but it was painful to get through the simplistic yet still clumsy prose and choppy pacing. I won't be reading more from him.

[Anonymous No.20871605]

About half way through pic related and I'm enjoying it so far.

[Anonymous No.20871621]

im 90% in this book and its actually okay, i hate the "muhh clan honor to my clan" shit and i hope the mc changes about this

its the classic criple/weak mc goes full op after getting a new chance power or whatever

[Anonymous No.20871639]

>>20871621
i also finished this one and the second book bc i was bored and my pc broke

book 1 and 2 = the setting is okay i like the idea of humans going full retard and killing each other fuck friendship, the problem is the author went full retard and the tutorial took 1k pages for no reason like way too much shit, i was almost dropping when the tutorial ended

isekai/archer mc, also idk why but litrpg authors should stop showing the fucking status screen eating 1/2 pages every 10 minutes like whatever dude im not reading the skill list and status list everytime stop showing this shit ffs this mf even includes titles and blessings

[Anonymous No.20871647]

>>20871621
>>20871639

another problem i have with litrpg is why this fuckers need to put '' LITRPG '' in every fucking book title? okay i get it people will find you book easier, but imagine tolkien posting "LORD OF THE RINGS - A NEW FANTASY ADVENTURE'' every fucking time, bro use in your first book if you want but drop the act after that


this is a new low

[Anonymous No.20871667]

>>20871647
The search in ebook stores sucks (deliberately, in order to sell ad space) and the authors need to use every single trick to get on top of the relevant search results.

[Anonymous No.20871683]

>>20871667
>>20871647
>another problem i have with litrpg is why this fuckers need to put '' LITRPG '' in every fucking book title? okay i get it people will find you book easier, but imagine tolkien posting "LORD OF THE RINGS - A NEW FANTASY ADVENTURE'' every fucking time, bro use in your first book if you want but drop the act after that
>this is a new low
It's not only amazon or ebook sale issue, it can be seen on Roaylroad as well.
In short, it's the harsh competition to even be noticed. At this moment we are observing race to the bottom, where people no longer care about naming, just want to signal what they write as hard as possible, art be damned. It's also somewhat inspired by light novel naming, where people just put a synopsis in the title (i.e. 'I Reincarnated as a Spider')

[Anonymous No.20871690]

>>20871541
Trudi Canavan comes to mind...what she writes is YA though, so don't expect anything deep

[Anonymous No.20871723]

Post shit maps
I just finished the Dwarves book, it was pretty good but also felt a bit childish at times. I don't know if that was due to translation? Anyway I did like it.

But holy shit the map. Makes me understand what Glen Cook meant when he said maps could be a hindrance, with such a pathetic map it would be better to just not have any at all.

[Anonymous No.20871775]

Read Assasin's Apprentice. Really liked Molly and Fitz relationship, probably the first fantasy romance I've truly enjoyed. Is there anything similar? For the record, I absolutely hated Kingkiller so don't recommend

[Anonymous No.20871821]

>>20871775
>Is there anything similar?
Yeh, keep reading the rest of the books. There is a lot more romance.

[Anonymous No.20871829]

>quoting yourself on your blog
are you ok grrm?
https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2022/08/15/let-his-voice-be-heard/

[Anonymous No.20871854]

Redpill me on Malazan

[Anonymous No.20871889]

>>20871854
The author thinks "patriarchy" is a chronic coincidence with no biological basis in spite of supposedly being a trained anthropologist.

[Anonymous No.20871930]

>>20871520
nah. You could class it as comfy but it really only appeals to 12 year old boys. It's pretty boring and lackluster.

[Anonymous No.20871977]

read cradle.

[Anonymous No.20872006]

>>20871977
Sorry, im busy breeding Mercy tonight.

[Anonymous No.20872046]

>>20871520
yes but it's close to not being so. i think it's more worth it the younger you are when you read it

[Anonymous No.20872051]

>>20871930
>>20872046
Damn, guess I'll read Hobb or Tolkien then

[Anonymous No.20872058]

>>20871541
Slayers.

[Anonymous No.20872068]

>>20871930
i find that it's only comfy to reread series like that. I loved eragon when i was 9 so it might be fun to skim through the books someday but I wouldn't start new series of that level

[Anonymous No.20872086]

>>20872051
yeah there are better things out there even though i think it's worth it. but i don't think what the other guy said is true
>It's pretty boring and lackluster.
it takes a long time to get going, and at some points it takes long to setup things compared to other books but it's not boring or lackluster at all, the story and the characters (some characters) hook you as much as in any other book

[Anonymous No.20872285]

Two ways, one leads to misery, one leads to supremacy, choose wisely.

[Anonymous No.20872405]

Heavensward, a weeb game's expansion unironically did the "sins of the ancestor" theme story better than Brandon Sando

[Anonymous No.20872415]

>He screams, arches his back. And then she unbuttons the crotch of her combat trousers and sits on his cock. Her mates are laughing now and she’s laughing too as she pumps herself up and down on him. She’s got her hand firmly planted in the centre of his stomach, giving him a dose every time she thrusts up with bunched thighs. One of her mates has a cellphone. They photograph her there, straddling him. He throws his arm over his face but they pull the arm back. No, no. They want to remember this.
I like how this is supposed to be progressive feminist sf dystopia (the author is a lgbtqaf+ feminist woman) but it reads like femdom porn fantasy

[Anonymous No.20872439]

>>20872405
which sanderson story tries to do the sins of the ancestor and how does it relate at all to any heavensward story?

[Anonymous No.20872445]

>>20872415
>ahhhhhhhh these women are doing sex on me nooooooooooooooooo

[Anonymous No.20872481]

>>20872439
The Stormlight Archive
It's not "related" but it's the same theme.
Basically, humans were actually the invader on the planet, Parshmen are the natives that humans enslaved, and humans are actually the void bringer.

[Anonymous No.20872511]

looked up Shadow of the Torturer on amazon and the 4th result was sarah j maas lol

[Anonymous No.20872581]

>>20872415
What garbage, but more importantly it has nothing to do with science fiction ir fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20872597]

>>20872581
the novel they're whining about is scifi dummy

[Anonymous No.20872602]

>>20872481
Seems like you are reaching
Neither are the first story which ends up with humans not being the original inhabitants of a land

[Anonymous No.20872712]

>>20872602
different circumstances but still the same " "sins of the ancestor" aka "our great grandfather were the bad guys" theme.

[Anonymous No.20872723]

>>20872712
But the first humans weren't even the bad guys, they were controlled by odium just like the current parshmen are

[Anonymous No.20872728]

>>20872723
that's because sanderson's crakkker ass is subconsciously trying to cope with the mormons building their state on genocide

[Anonymous No.20872775]

>>20872728
>>20872728
I don't get it because I don't know anything about mormons

[Anonymous No.20872822]

Anyone have any recommendations like the Bleake's Shifters and Her human mate?
Looking for more Female werewolf finding their human mate.

[Anonymous No.20872840]

>>20872822
Twilight'd author wrote reverse book in which the protagonist is male and followed by hot vampire and athlethic werewolf girls

[Anonymous No.20872842]

>>20871468
I've heard it's not MUCH better but it is better, but if he didn't improve from Eragon I'd have been shocked.

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.20872905]

>>20871092
Councilor, The Grand Illusion #2 - L.E. Modesitt Jr. (2022)

I can't possibly recommend reading this book unless you enjoyed the first and are predisposed to enjoying this sort of narrative. These are definitely for a niche interest. There's almost certainly nothing else that I've read that's simultaneously so banal and dull, yet intriguing and interesting. The primary way I enjoy is it through what it makes me think about, so if that's not of interest, then you really ought to not read this series. I admit that I'm somewhat baffled as to why I've enjoyed it as much as I have.

Steffan Dekkard, the protagonist, is now a councilor, which is basically a national legislator. Literally almost the entire book is just him going back and forth to work. There's no traveling like in the first. This is just hardcore bureaucratic process and daily life. In some ways there's an inexorable crawling madness to its repetition. I don't think I could read a long series like this, but according to the author this series, or this part of it at least, will be a trilogy. In an interview he said there was a slight chance of their being a fourth book.

There are three major political concerns that Dekkard engages with. The foremost is the reform of the Security Bureau because recently it's had a tendency to wantonly massacre protestors, which doesn't cause as much social unrest as you'd think. Secondly is improving the working conditions of laborers, because they're often wretched at best. Lastly is to expand the rights of women to where they are equals with men, especially in terms of pay. The latter is by far the most difficult and the one which he makes the least progress towards. The overriding significant practical concern is that he's under constant threat of assassination, though many government officials are, but especially him, but despite that he takes it relatively in stride, as does the government in general. Considering how unprecedented everything is said to be I thought there would be more of a response.

As a character Dekkard remains mostly opaque with regards to the specific reasons why he votes as he does, so much has to be inferred. This makes sense in a way since he's an Isolate which means no one can read his emotions, but it's also frustrating. Overall, relative to the context of his society, though not to our world, I'd call him a Progressive Conservative. A US example of this would be President Theodore Roosevelt, though various UK politicians identify as such as well, and there are a few other similar European politicians. As Roosevelt stated that he had "always believed that wise progressivism and wise conservatism go hand in hand." Dekkard has no interest in revolution or reaction, or anything smacking of populism, but rather wants to conserve the country's founding ideals while also gradually and cautiously improving the quality of life for everyone. That isn't something I see often in what I read.

Rating: 4/5

[Anonymous No.20872924]

Why doesn't GRRM care about horses?
Very unrealistic imo

[Anonymous No.20872977]

>>20872597
kys tranny

[Anonymous No.20872993]

>>20871854
People often mistakenly believe the author is 40 years younger than he is.

[Anonymous No.20873039]

>>20872905
Modesitt seems to enjoy writing this sort of thing. I completed the entire Imager series last year and while I was a huge fan of the first three (and less so the next five, the final four were better than those five but not as good as the first three on average), it certainly had the grating elements of regular daily life to the point of frustration.

In some of them it worked, such as in the second book where the main character kind of worked part time as a beat cop which leads to him slowly learning little things that add up in the conclusion. It was the weakest of those initial three, but it worked there while the first one shows his life as an artist and then learning about imaging and even being involved with bodyguarding and a bit of spying and the third one shows him as a junior high end master of his order.

Whether they work or not depends on the characters to some degree even if they feel kind of similar and the scenarios and the number of the types of scenarios. The second set of books within the series didn't work because most of them were about some overpowered guy very slowly working his way through a boring presentation of a war. However the second of his books comes off as the best since half of it is about reacting to a volcano eruption before he's thrust into the book. There's enough to make the book interesting while in pretty much all of the other four about that character there is not.

[Anonymous No.20873045]

I haven't been on /lit/ in ages.
How did you guys transition from: "Read Wolfe or if you have literally nothing else to do Malazan; everything else is shit." To: "Read Bakker and litrpgs."

[Anonymous No.20873057]

>>20871854
Bakker for redditors.

[Anonymous No.20873101]

>>20873045
I'm still on team "Read Discworld".

[Anonymous No.20873111]

>>20873039
I read and wrote about the entire Imager Portfolio series earlier this year. I mostly agree with what you've written.

[Anonymous No.20873123]

>>20873045
>How did you guys transition from: "Read Wolfe or if you have literally nothing else to do Malazan; everything else is shit." To: "Read Bakker and litrpgs."
People started to read another books, not only circle among few classics.

[Anonymous No.20873145]

>>20873123
In other words, people started to follow the ways of supremacy, they know that the ways of Bakker is forever supreme and they want to rule in absolute majesty and dignity.

[Anonymous No.20873152]

What website ships books in cardboard and not bubble mailers?

[Anonymous No.20873232]

>>20871829
GRRM is obviously huffing his own farts, and has been ever since the TV show made him rich and world famous. But it's still nice to see he worked in a dig at the "woke left" when presented with the opportunity. Even if he's a coward who wouldn't have done so if he had feared blowback and even if he has to mention the "rabid right" in the very same sentence to show proper reverence to his camp. A little glimpse into the discontent with the current state of publishing. Maybe there is hope yet that the current-day censors will be toppled by their opposition eventually.

[Anonymous No.20873254]

>>20872840
unironically wish she continued it.

[Anonymous No.20873261]

>>20873045
/Sffg/ is mostly hobbchads now

[Anonymous No.20873324]

>>20871829
>an ever growing list of “toxic” words the mere utterance of which is now forbidden no matter the context or intent
Is he implying he wants to use the word nigger?

[Anonymous No.20873346]

>>20873324
literally the page I was at when I glancede at the thread

[Anonymous No.20873363]

>>20873152
Amazon

[Anonymous No.20873365]

>>20873346
I'm surprised nigga without the hard r still flies desu

[Anonymous No.20873366]

i just woke up from an extremely vivid and scary dream about being dragged to hell by demons
was bakker right, bros? is this universe fundamentally evil, this life no more than a gateway to an eternity of fire and gnashing teeth?

[Anonymous No.20873387]

>>20873365
yes, it is a perfectly valid word, there is even a differentiation between nigger and a negro (which was explained to me by black person)

[Anonymous No.20873388]

>>20871468
what if paolini and pasolini were the samd person?
kidding… haha… unless…

[Anonymous No.20873394]

[Anonymous No.20873411]

>>20873365
>I'm surprised nigga without the hard r still flies desu
It's a self-pub post-apocalyptic litrpg harem book, so there's no one to give a fuck desu

[Anonymous No.20873435]

>>20873411
>Post-apocalyptic LitRPG
I'm starting to get tired of that specific brand because they all do the same thing where technology is inexplicably just not allowed. Primal Hunter is the only one I've seen just explicitly okay guns, which was pretty monumental to me. Protagonist is still a bow guy but gun-users EXIST, which I appreciate.

[Anonymous No.20873444]

>>20873411
Within the next 10 years they will develop an algorithm for forbidden words scanning every new release on every possible publishing platform, which will automatically alert George Soros whenever it detects an infraction, and Soros will blacklist the author from all payment processors so that he can't make a living from his problematic writings.

[Anonymous No.20873456]

>>20873435
Why use guns and technology when magic is 100 times more convenient, have a many different uses, more powerful than guns, also guns often exist they just fire magical bullets or magical energy

[Anonymous No.20873461]

>>20873456
Why use a sword when magic exists? It's just a trend of that specific subgenre that bothers me.

[Anonymous No.20873467]

>>20873444
Soros is like 96 yo this year, in 10 years time he will be dead. Not even jew rothchild with his organ transplanted multiple times could escape death.

[Anonymous No.20873477]

>>20873461
Because sword is not high technology, swords are also cool

[Anonymous No.20873483]

>>20873477
Guns can also be cool. I just wanna see more shit do gun + melee weapon + magic because that's entertaining to see.

[Anonymous No.20873494]

>>20873483
Guns are cool irl but in fiction they are lame

[Anonymous No.20873496]

>>20873435
>I'm starting to get tired of that specific brand because they all do the same thing where technology is inexplicably just not allowed. Primal Hunter is the only one I've seen just explicitly okay guns, which was pretty monumental to me. Protagonist is still a bow guy but gun-users EXIST, which I appreciate.

Only trashy litrpgs ignore technology, the more ambitious stories tackle the issue seriously, i.e. Defiance of the Fall (it's what inspired Primal Hunter, and it's better desu) is a post-apo litrpg cultivation, and in its world technology is an outlawed Dao (Dao of Technology) banned by the Ruthless Heavens (System AI created by a mighty cultivator long ago), still they are strong enough to oppose normal cultivators and make their own shit. Dope stuff, the most original take I've seen on technology in post-apo so far.

[Anonymous No.20873524]

>>20872905
your reviews are shit, the books you review are shit, off yourself

[Anonymous No.20873534]

>>20872905
Good to see someone still has passion to write reviews here. Ignore seething reatards anon, you do good

[Anonymous No.20873572]

>>20873394
great love immortal venerable sama...

[Anonymous No.20873574]

I finished 4th book of Dune, should I now go for Bakker of Gene? Both have only 1 or two books of the series translated to my native language and I am not really used to reading in English. I suppose both Bakker and Gene are not that easy read so I worry I might not get the full experience.

[Anonymous No.20873587]

>>20873574
If you are language is niche enough to not have stuff translated into, then you should start reading in English desu
The first few books were really rough for me, but then it got easier. Believe, it's worth the effort, basically everything is in fucking english

[Anonymous No.20873599]

>>20873524
What would you prefer I write about, in what way could they be improved, and and I don't have any interest in the latter, so if you want it done you'll have to do it yourself.

>>20873534
Oh ok, thanks.

[Anonymous No.20873620]

>>20873587
We get most stuff translated (Czech language) but for some reason Bakker and Wolfe only got a couple.
But you are right, I should finally get fully into reading in English.

[Anonymous No.20873659]

>>20872905
If you've read them, would you compare its banality more to The Wizard's Butler or the Goblin Emperor?

[Anonymous No.20873713]

>>20873659
I haven't read the former and the latter is a comedy of manners, of which I've read and wrote about 3 books in the setting. It's not really the same. It's more like the banality of the tv series Severance mixed with House of Cards, the original UK version, minus most of the drama.

In terms of books, I don't really know. Maybe something more literary about an office job, but that isn't really what I read. Station Eleven or China Mountain Zhang maybe approaches it a bit of what comes to mind

[Anonymous No.20873715]

>>20873620
just don't read something heavy at first, I started with World of Warcraft novels and light stuff. Then moved to more serious fantasy

[Anonymous No.20873730]

>>20873713
That sounds more like Wizard's Butler, then, which was mostly just about the day to day work if being a butler

[Anonymous No.20873737]

>>20873715
I read a bit of Dungeon Crawl Carl based on some comments here, that was probably too easy, though.
The book has some nice jokes but it bored me and I eventually stopped when he was trying to figure out how to save the elderly and get them to 2nd level.

[Anonymous No.20873738]

>>20873496
I do like that version, but DotF is still really not that good just because the author doesn't know how to make characters interesting.

[Anonymous No.20873760]

>>20873045
I've said no to all of the above. I'm not going to be duped into reading ANY of that stuff.

[Anonymous No.20873875]

>>20871397
Dont hold me to the details but I'm pretty sure jack Vance has a cult in dying earth called "the wanqers" or something like that

[Anonymous No.20873899]

>>20871690
Any book in particular by her?
>>20872058
Author? That's a broad single word, just typing it doesn't give me results

[Anonymous No.20873911]

>>20873899
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slayers

[Anonymous No.20873940]

>>20873366
If you're a sodomite Canadian, sure.

[Anonymous No.20873991]

When did you guys stop doing the weekly reads? A few years ago we used to vote on some stuff and read short stories and talk about them. That was cool.

[Anonymous No.20874023]

What the fuck was his problem?

[Anonymous No.20874030]

>>20873991
It was never weekly in the thread, not was it short stories. It stopped in the thread at the end of 2019 and then moved onto discord for a couple years. The thread was discuss fur a single thread at the end of the month and very few participated and said very little. I don't know what you think you're remembering. I've considered doing single short stories, but it wouldn't be worthwhile. Also, you wouldn't participate because you only like the idea most likely.

[Anonymous No.20874091]

I breezed through this one, very enjoyable read, the sci-fi element is not very present and is rather only a tool to help the characters progress through the story
The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan is also the best book inside a book I've come across

[Anonymous No.20874102]

About to start Soldier of the Mist. I’m a little worried because I’ve heard it’s even more impenetrable than New Sun but I really want to read more Wolfe. Has anyone had any luck reading them? I’ve heard some anons say you need to be well versed in Greek mythology and history but as with all of Wolfes works some shits gonna fly over your head no matter what the first time reading.

[Anonymous No.20874130]

>>20874102
It's challenging in a different way but it's easier than New Sun.
Because the narrator/protag has amnesia, and the text is written by him, the sequence of events is confused.
In practical terms, this means sometimes you won't know why something is happening until you read a little bit further. Or you'll have to flip back to the previous chapter to remind yourself of what happened before.
That's pretty much all there is to it. The language and vocabulary is not difficult.

[Anonymous No.20874168]

>>20874102
It's not that confusing. The main plot is easy to understand but sometimes things happen seemingly randomly or for no reason but understanding Greek mythology gives it more perspective.

[Anonymous No.20874203]

Has anyone done a silent protagonist in literature (not video games)?

[Anonymous No.20874247]

>>20874203
Yes.

[Anonymous No.20874258]

>>20874203
There's a couple of Grimm's fairy tales where protagonists are required not to speak for magic reasons, so novel adaptations naturally follow suit

[Anonymous No.20874450]

>>20874203
The Vagrant does this I believe. Never read it

[Anonymous No.20874618]

>>20872405
>a [any random piece of media] unironically did the "[basic story premise]" theme story better than Brandon Sando

[Anonymous No.20874623]

aether of night is unironically one of sanderson's better books why did he refuse to have it published

[Anonymous No.20874646]

15 dollars for jack vance dying earth feels oddly not worth it

[Anonymous No.20874663]

>>20874646
Then download it, faggot. He's not alive anymore; it's not like you're taking money out of his wallet by pirating it.

[Anonymous No.20874671]

>>20874646
I'm sure you could find a paperback for less on eBay.

[Anonymous No.20874673]

>>20874663
it is about the principle

[Anonymous No.20874676]

>>20874671
its about the same. they all rape you on shipping

[Anonymous No.20874683]

>>20874663
Obviously he wants that smell of glue, ink, and wood cellulose. That's why people buy books.

[Anonymous No.20874688]

>>20874683
I buy books because I already stare at screens all day and get sick of it.

[Anonymous No.20874691]

>>20874673
The principle that you need to give Amazon $15 so they can send Jewish child molesters $8 before you can read a story written by a guy who's been dead for 20 years?

[Anonymous No.20874699]

>>20874691
just because other people are immoral doesn't mean that I get to be
imagine how much more twisted the world would be if everyone abided by that logic

[Anonymous No.20874701]

>>20874691
he is retarded, don't waste your time

[Anonymous No.20874713]

>>20874701
circlejerks are cringe

[Anonymous No.20874718]

>>20874699
I implore you to consider bringing up your inscrutable moral code a natural cause of discord within the thread, a sign of immortality, and to use this knowledge in the pursuit of shutting the fuck up

[Anonymous No.20874722]

>>20874718
you type like a faggot and I will not "shut the fuck up"

[Anonymous No.20874743]

>>20871380
you don't like hearing about the glimplesnort of burkagash defeating the armies of zorganir on the plains of qikklestufb

[Anonymous No.20874747]

>>20871775
nobody tell him

[Anonymous No.20874753]

>>20874102
it's incredible, but not very difficult to read

[Anonymous No.20874768]

Professor Ziglar came up to the information desk. “I’m looking for The Virtue of Selfishness by Ayn Rand.”
“Here you go.”
When he saw Rand’s photo on the dust jacket, he said, “A woman? Never mind. I have never read a book by a member of that species, and I never will.”

Beyond based.

[Anonymous No.20874919]

>>20872415
Imagine deciding to read this 'feminist' drivel.

[Anonymous No.20874930]

>>20873435
There are guns all over Respawn.

[Anonymous No.20874971]

>>20872415
>author is a jew
every time

[Anonymous No.20875009]

Any good non cultivation fantasy with an ancient Chinese aesthetic?

[Anonymous No.20875027]

>>20874743
Thanks so much anon, I literally laughed out loud.

[Anonymous No.20875107]

>>20874450
I ended up listening to it on audio a while back but didn't like it. Aside from the setting being sort of neat, it just didn't appeal to me on any level and having like no characters to give a fuck about or a real story didn't help. It's just a boring journey through a more unique hellscape than usual.

[Anonymous No.20875109]

>>20875009
Grace of Kings

[Anonymous No.20875122]

>>20874743
Needs more umlaut.

[Anonymous No.20875128]

Who is this Bakker, is he another popular author overrated by reddit like Sanderson? or does his works have complexity and substance?

[Anonymous No.20875140]

>>20875128
overrated by reddit

[Anonymous No.20875200]

>>20874623
I've never even heard of it, what makes it good? Sanderson seems to have a trend of his more standalone things always being better.

[Anonymous No.20875202]

>>20874930
Never heard of it, but fair enough. I just want gunslinger fantasy shit.

[Anonymous No.20875251]

>>20875128
Lurk moar.

[Anonymous No.20875255]

>>20875128
His world complex, his prose sublime and his story telling supreme, he is certainly not a meme, he made reddit rage and scream.

[Anonymous No.20875294]

>>20875202
Well it's not that. It's a system apocalypse thing where all the old tech carries over plus you get stats and abilities and some magic and rules. I like it and love the setting but Russian litrpg is a hard sell here.

[Anonymous No.20875424]

>>20875202
>I just want gunslinger fantasy shit.
The Jerusalem Man trilogy by David Gemmell. It's like The Dark Tower, but with all the bloat and stupidity removed.

[Anonymous No.20875481]

test

[Anonymous No.20875629]

>>20875424
Might give it a look.

[Anonymous No.20875631]

>>20872405
Common trope in xianxia

[Anonymous No.20875641]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ldIVHy1WDna4dAUt_K4DnzugaNIEluABA

[Anonymous No.20875919]

>>20874768
There are some ok women writers and some ok Jewish writers, but that woman x Jew cross is fucking brutal.

[Anonymous No.20875967]

>>20873483
You could try the cold iron series by miles Cameron. He's the guy who wrote the red knight. They have magic and swords and guns are starting to become common in the world.

[Anonymous No.20875991]

>>20875128
Obsessed with cuckoldry, you can draw your own conclusions from that.

[Anonymous No.20876088]

Taravangian is kinda kino, bros.

[Anonymous No.20876135]

>>20875128
beloved by /sffg/ because of gay rape, otherwise mediocre

[Anonymous No.20876266]

tried to ask on wg but got the expected treatment from those useless cucks there. would you rather read one gigantic book or a split 2-parter? i'm 90k words in to my fantasy novel and not even halfway done. that's just 178 pages on my word processor but apparently it's not as equal in translation to print as i thought

[Anonymous No.20876311]

>>20876266
The standard is 250-300 words per page.

[Anonymous No.20876376]

>chooses god over dick

[Anonymous No.20876462]

>>20876266
Personally I read e-books most of the time and I'm liable to just read a whole series if I enjoy it, so the difference is negligible to me. A big book vs a split two-parter does imply a difference of structure, though, because each book should at least feel 'complete' rather than just a bunch of stuff in the first one that's only resolved by the second.

[Anonymous No.20876473]

>>20876266
Pacing and structure is important. I don't mind a long book as long as it's paced well, splitting it without a good 'ending" to the first book will always feel weak.

[Anonymous No.20876479]

>>20876376
based

[Anonymous No.20876496]

>>20876311
are you for real? so i'd be almost 360 pages up on a printed copy? this >>20876462 is the problem i'd like to avoid because it's a story of one big long journey over a year's time, and splitting it in half or even thirds means i've gotta make them semi self contained between books and that i feel like loses the impact of being "one long journey" like one big solid book. maybe i'm wrong

[Anonymous No.20876513]

>>20876473
do you think i should just write the whole thing and then go back over it to drop in a possible first act/first entry ending or should i rewrite now in anticipation of splitting and fit something in, or capitalize something that already exists in the projected order of plot points?

[Anonymous No.20876528]

>>20876496
Print it bigger? All I read is free PDF versions of books so maybe they do this now more often. I literally have not stepped foot in a library or bookstore in at least a decade.

[Anonymous No.20876541]

>>20876528
also maybe not a bad idea if it comes down to the wire but i'll have to learn more about publishing and printing before then

[Anonymous No.20876542]

>>20876513
Write the whole thing. It's kind of worrying you are so concerned with limiting yourself in these arbitrary ways. You can get help to cut out useless filler after you are done.

If you really want to split it then yes you should rewrite it so each book feels like a book on its own.

[Anonymous No.20876560]

>>20876376
>>20876479
Amicia was pretty based desu.
Actual spoiler
Honestly I was surprised she never returned after ascending to sainthood, normally in a story it's almost cliche that such an event would have her returning in a moment of need. It was surprising she didn't but also refreshed as it kinda cemented the importance of what she and also Gabriel achieved at the end too.

[Anonymous No.20876571]

>>20876542
what things do you think are arbitrary?

[Anonymous No.20876603]

>>20875128
Bakker is arguably the greatest living author in the Fantasy genre.

[Anonymous No.20876715]

>>20876603
that bad huh

[Anonymous No.20876932]

Is The Dresden Files worth the read?

[Anonymous No.20876980]

>>20876932
Best to just listen to the audiobooks.
He does some serious worldbuilding, the stories start as "hardboiled fantasy detective" then as he becomes more and more entangled in magic politics things get increasingly crazy. Unfortunately as mentioned before the books read more like TV seasons. Also MC's tendency to start shit with absolutely anyone, from cops to minor deities, gets old sometimes.

[Anonymous No.20877025]

>>20876980
Wasn't it turned into a tv series? Or am I thinking of something else

[Anonymous No.20877071]

>>20871092
Well this was really bad, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Nothing felt original in it. And I couldn't stop thinking about that stupid name of the book. It makes me mad.

[Anonymous No.20877115]

>>20874743
Spoilers ffs. Dude said he was on book 1.

[Anonymous No.20877171]

>>20877071
Daniel Greene said it was alright so you're clearly wrong

[Anonymous No.20877290]

>>20875967
>Miles Cameron
I cannot stand this dude's (lack of) prose. Just endless descriptive rambling of shit to try and make his worldbuilding feel "realized". Unironically below Sanderson tier

[Anonymous No.20877354]

>>20877171
Well I guess if you REALLY like military scifi you might find something interesting in it.

[Anonymous No.20877386]

>>20877290
I don't think there was any issues with lack of prose

[Anonymous No.20877390]

Am I wasting my time with Lightbringer?
I am really enjoying the first book but I heard that it goes downhill really hard later on.

[Anonymous No.20877394]

Strict military structure
Brooding but also charismatic protagonist
Rebellions but no galactic level conquest
Anything?

[Anonymous No.20877413]

>>20877390
>Am I wasting my time with Lightbringer?
>I am really enjoying the first book but I heard that it goes downhill really hard later on.
I read three first books and it was pretty damn good epic fantasy, but I know what happens later and I sincerely advise to NOT read further than the first book, you will waste your time. The ending is damn atrocious.
Unfortunately, the author was befallen by the common disease among authors: Finding God. While seemingly harmless, it destroys an author's previouss work and corrupts every further book. Avoid at all cost, unless the author wrote started a series while already afflicted with the malady, then it's interesting insight into schizo writing.

If you want to know people hate later books in few words: Massive retcons and immeasurably botched ending. Like, 'fuck you' type of ending.

[Anonymous No.20877421]

>>20877390
see >>20877413
he is absolutely right, the series literally ends with a gigantic and literal deus ex machina as a major fuck you to the reader, also huge retcons everywhere
let this be a warning to never read anything Brent Weeks writes ever

[Anonymous No.20877426]

>>20877394
Red Rising (if you can make it past the first book)

Greco-Roman Facist space empire ruled by mostly blonde superhumans. Hummanity is genetically divided into a caste system of "colors" in which each color is completely genetically different and not able to interbreed with other colors,
SciFi tech but thankfully doesn't go into the autistic descriptions and attempted justifications of how said tech works like a lot of nerd ass books do.
[Spoiler]Combat is similar to Warhammer 40k in which the bulk of the action is fleet battles, boarding parties, and orbital drops yet with a prominent melee focus.[/Spoiler]

[Anonymous No.20877438]

recently read city under the stars by gardener dozois and michael swanwick, my first book by either author, though i have read a couple of anthologies edited by dozois.

The story revolves around a post-apocalyptic earth of the future, evocative story as seen by a self-hating factory worker. Story's a bit small, and the end seems rushed, but other than that, a fine read.
I plan to read Swanwick's acclaimed stations of the tide next as its synopsis looks vaguely vancian

[Anonymous No.20877441]

>>20877426
Ah fuck man, maybe my wording was terrible
By military structure I mean within the military, not within society
Red Rising sounds interesting though and yeah I'm not interested in the pseudo scientific explanations
What's the problem with the first book?

[Anonymous No.20877459]

>>20877441
First book is set up as an infiltration/battle royale esque book where the main character poses as a member of the ruling class (Golds) and takes part in brutal Roman-style wargames where the winners receive the ability to gain military power and better their prestige and standing within said ruling class (lots of rape, murder, and torture involved).

Second book and every book after that is the military stuff. I liked the first book well enough though. Second book is where the real fun starts.

[Anonymous No.20877482]

>>20877394
Death's Head by David Gunn, unless you're the anon that already read it

[Anonymous No.20877594]

>>20873101
Is it good? Been thinking about reading it this winter

[Anonymous No.20877604]

>>20877594
Discworld is Redditcore.

[Anonymous No.20877622]

>>20877604
What's Redditcore?
*Googles Redditcore*
...Oh :\

[Anonymous No.20877642]

I'm interested in stories where the protagonist is a 'bad guy' and he does something towards the start of the novel which changes his perspective and loyalties and causes him to rebel
How bad can these guys be?
Uneducated guy who just follows orders?
Commander?
Interrogator?
Any examples?
Any examples of guys who are real pieces of shit at the start?

[Anonymous No.20877679]

>>20877642
Cradle is actually a pretty good example of this. The entire main cast of characters are basically stereotypically villains cast in the role of heroes. They aren't edgy at all, but it was an interesting twist to see a cast of protagonists who all have traits that are typically only seen in villains. This becomes even more central to the plot in the latest entry.
That said it's pretty common among all the chinkshit, it's a trope in any form of xianxia or wuxia. Also Elric is essentially that, rebelling against his evil decadent (white) empire to go slumming with savages.

Actual edgelord villain protagonists aren't my thing though so not much I can recommend there.

[Anonymous No.20877708]

>>20877642
If you can stomach webnovels, Worm and A Practical Guide to Evil might fit the bill. Glotka from The First Law series might count. Aside from some YA books I read as a teen and some manga, I don't recall many stories with this premise, since it's pretty hard to write convincingly.

Usually the villain is set up as a victim of circumstance or upbringing(family business) , and the scope of thier villainous acts is toned down or never too brutal. It's hard to write about a dude who goes from eating babies and raping villages to becoming a hero saving lives.

[Anonymous No.20877721]

who are the coolest/most interesting/well written assassin characters in scifi or fantasy youve read

[Anonymous No.20877775]

>>20877642
The Black Company?

[Anonymous No.20877857]

>>20877721
Fitz in assassin's apprentice and the rest of the series
Dancer in the Path to Ascendancy series

[Anonymous No.20877865]

>>20877857
Fitz is probably the most interesting and well written but definitely not the coolest.

Dancer could be the coolest, well written too.

[Anonymous No.20877866]

>>20877857
what did you like about them?

[Anonymous No.20877884]

>>20877866
Fitz has a very long arc (9 books?)
He constantly struggles with the duties of being an assassin yet he's very competent. Hobb is just a great writer desu.

Dancer is just cool, he's already trained by one of the most reknown assassin's on the continent at the start of the books, he's very good, tall, dark handsome etc. He takes things as they come and makes the best of the situation. Builds a strong bromance with his weird friend, initially out of self preservation but then seeing far enough ahead at the power they can take if they are both ambitious enough.

[Anonymous No.20877902]

>>20877884
>He constantly struggles with the duties of being an assassin yet he's very competent
Fitz is by no means a competent assassin. He's a great fighter but holy shit he's a terrible assassin
>I need to kill a guy, how do I do it?
>Get high as fuck, strip naked, barge into his party with a sword, that'll do it
The Weasel wit beast is objectively a better assassin than Fitz.

[Anonymous No.20877925]

>>20877902
That's not fair, he fucks up but he gets better. Got to remember the fighting in realm of the Elderlings is more 'realistic', none of the characters ever miraculously take down groups of enemies alone with plot armor. His assassinations are all actual assassinations, more often with poison and plenty of planning.

[Anonymous No.20877931]

>>20877902
>>20877925
That said little weasel is based and brave

[Anonymous No.20877959]

>>20877642
The entire first half of the stormlight archive is about the planet's biggest war criminal trying to turn a new leaf and unite the peoples he spent most of his life beating up

[Anonymous No.20877975]

>>20877594
Yes. Discworld starts as a sort of fantasy parody but it twists in on itself and becomes more of a fantastical satire of the real world while also just having really good characters and worldbuilding.

[Anonymous No.20877988]

Is Robin Hobb worth reading? From what I can tell the opinions are mixed between those who love it and those who say it’s too frustrating because of the MC being stupid and bad things always happening to him. If true it seems like a bad combo. I can tolerate a good bit of misery porn but when paired with an MC who is a fuck up that just sounds incredibly frustrating, and yet so many people love it..?

[Anonymous No.20877999]

>>20876932
Read it, don't listen to audiobooks.

[Anonymous No.20878014]

>>20877988
The story is mediocre at best, but the writing is legitimately bad.

[Anonymous No.20878018]

>>20877988
It's not all misery porn, there's very, very wholesome feel-good parts of the series, but yes it is depressing in others.
Id suggest reading the 3 books, you will get a good feeling of things.

[Anonymous No.20878021]

>>20878014
>The writing is legitimately bad

No one actually believes this

[Anonymous No.20878027]

>>20877988
>Is Robin Hobb worth reading?
She's a woman. Therefore: No.

[Anonymous No.20878055]

>>20877594
Of course it is. Significantly better than most of the trash recommended here.

[Anonymous No.20878060]

>>20878027
How many times were you dropped on our head as a child?

[Anonymous No.20878068]

>>20878060
More than you faggot

[Anonymous No.20878081]

Gotten onto book 3 of Infinite Realm and it feels like just now is Ryun becoming an interesting character to read the perspective of rather than just an interesting character who exists. Ryun doing his best to get drunk despite being too powerful for it was a highlight. The alternating focus between Zach and Ryun every book does mean that I feel like Zach's story is just kind of plodding along while Ryun keeps going at a breakneck pace, which does bother me a bit.

[Anonymous No.20878090]

>>20878081
>while Ryun keeps going at a breakneck pace
I kind of understand what you mean but funny you say that considering the entire point of Ryun's character is the learning-for-himself cultivating prodigy who outstrips everybody else with no guidance.

[Anonymous No.20878091]

Is the new GoT series worth my time?

[Anonymous No.20878095]

>>20878091
Not if you care about Tournament Etiquette

[Anonymous No.20878100]

>>20878090
Sure sure, and I get that, it just feels like, in book 2, where Zach was the focus, surprisingly little actually happened until about the halfway point, and then he just kind of stumbled his way into shit way over his head. And then between books 2 and 3, there's a time-skip and Zach and Naha have progressed off-screen significantly in terms of what they're doing with each other, while Ryun's just sort of stagnated entirely off-screen until it's his time to be on-screen.

[Anonymous No.20878144]

>>20878018
Alright I think that’s a good call. I’ll at least try the first trilogy since it’s a good example of what the rest is like.

[Anonymous No.20878210]

>>20878100
Your post is amusing but I can't explain why until post book 4.

[Anonymous No.20878242]

>>20878210
Fair enough. I get why people don't like Zach as much, though I like him more as a character than Ryun, it just feels like he's involved in less interesting stuff. Naha is fine, but Zach's character arc sort of entirely revolves around them right now.

[Anonymous No.20878460]

I was not supposed to read more William D. Arrand books, but 'Monster's Mercy' book description made me interested enough to readit , even if I already knew that under this name the author doesn't write any erotica in his books, despite them being harem books. And the results were...mixed, everything is fucking mixed when it comes to this author, it's as if he wrote one book, inspected what worked and what not, and then just continue to write the same book over and over again. He wrote what, 20+ books by now? And they are all the same.

[Story]
Rene, an experienced hitman of 40+ years-old is hired to kill a husband who run away with all the money and hot secretary. The story starts as he infiltrates the residence of the target, while reminiscing on his rather miserable and empty life, while arguing with the voice with his head who's a distinct personality obsessed with killing and bloodlust. After successful hit the protagonist attempts to leave, but suddenly is struck by a paralysis and shot by a guard as someone attempted to summon him, but due to being shot he dies, making die in front of flabbergasted mages.

This situation amuses an unnamed god (Arrand's readers know it's Runner), who steals Rene's soul away and makes a contract with him: He will be reborn anew in one of the god's worlds, without his hitman skills and free from his bloodlusting derangement, but must continue to fill his 'good deeds bar,' otherwise the god shall 'suck Rene's soul out of his body and use it as a cum rag.' Obviously, Rene accepts and after being born in a decently rich merchant family on a medieval world he continues to live a proper live for 17 years, until he gets kidnapped for ransom and sent to another city. This results in a contingency activating, which returns Rene all of his previous hitman skills and talents, while also granting him game-like powers, allowing him to level up Skills and attributes. Unfortunately, his mental derangement and demonic voice in his head return as well. Rene escapes and due to surreptitious meeting saves a young man and his small sister, who start helping him in hunting down local criminals for bounties. However, soon Rene grows even bolder and starts taking over the local criminal underground.

Part 1/3

[Anonymous No.20878467]

[Characters]
Rene and the demonic voice (who Rene acknowledges to be also be him) in his head are without a doubt one of the stronger points of the book, their interactions are funny and witty, although the inspiration the idea is incredibly obvious (almost 1:1 identical to Eddy and Venom's interactions from 'Venom' movie). Compared to other Arrand's books Rene might be the strongest characterization of protagonist so far, he's an older and experienced man with his own dark view of the world, while also struggling with his past life and abuse he experienced there.

Other characters include a small girl Lori, which Rene feels strong connection to, as he empathizes strongly with young, hurt children, and few women who with time grow closer to Rene (it is Harem story after all). Those would be Odalia, a young woman who had been kidnapped along with him and whom he'd saved, daughter of a local indebted merchant. Then we have Alana, young Elf who works as a librarian and is fascinated with Rene and his strange abilities, while aiming to attend university in the future. There are two more, but due to spoilers I will omit them, though you can surmise from the cover who's one of them.

All in all, the characters and their interactions with Rene are interesting, witty and often funny, especially when the author starts going into psychological aspects of their actions at times. However, the closer to the end the more cracks start appearing, as in every other Arrand's books. I will write about that later, in the conclusion, and why my opinion on the book isn't as good as it would seem.

[System]
Strangely, this is a Litrpg book. The protagonist possesses a Litrpg system that allows him to grow Skill levels by using them, even by reading books about them. The same with his attributes such as Agility, Strength or Perception. Just a typical run-of-the-mill generic Litrpg stuff, if not for the fact that only the protagonist possesses it, as it's a gift from his God - Watcher.

The thing is...it's absolutely unnecessary. Why make a protagonist that'd lived a lifetime in the profession of assassination, if you additionally fill him with Litrpg powers? Not to mention he's also a noble, son of a rich money lender. It's basically Batman on steroids, but in medieval times and without any rival who comes close to being a danger to Rene. Rarely does one see such a massive overkill. I don't know, maybe the author wanted to tap into the Litrpg readerbase? But I don't think an average Litrpg reader would have a reason to read this, even though this is a competently written story.

You could just as well have the protagonist use all of his hitman talents without any additional powers, that would make for more balanced conflicts and interesting story. Instead, the protagonist annihilates all of his enemies, going wherever he wants, killing whomever he wishes.
[World-building is generic Renaissance with fantasy, thus omitted]

Part 2/3

[Anonymous No.20878470]

[Conclusion]
This is one of the best Arrand's book I've read, and yet I quit ~40% into the second book in the Monster's Mercy series. Why? The author is known for destroying his series after first books. While this book was interesting and enjoyable read, the closer to the end the more cracks had appeared. The women became utterly obsessed with the protagonist, even though he didn't even make any moves towards them. The harem just happened on its own, and robbed the girls out of their personalities, or rather flattened them into cardboards. The story while amusing, provides no tension or twists. There isn't any significant villain, moral conflict or interesting concept. The protagonist just bulldozes through every adversity due to overpowered abilities.

If it was a beginning of a story that merely set up the world that way just to introduce actual conflict in later phase, then it wouldn't be a problem, but it's William D. Arrand's, so I know it's not the case. Additionally, there's a harem creep to hounds every book of his. The author always spends sometime in the first book characterizing women and making their relationships with the protagonist interesting, but as soon as second books come along it's obliterated with extreme prejudice, turning harems into myriad of forgettable names. The number of women ALWAYS increases exponentially. Which is a shame. Because Arrand can write good stories, but for some reason his series quickly deteriorate.

To add salt to the injury, William D. Arrand does not write sex scenes. He does under his other name, Randi Darren. A weird choice, especially because harem books with off-screened sex make very little sense to me, as a concept. This is why Fostering Faust, another series of the author (also set in the same world, just 20 years prior to the events of Monster's Mercy) is his best work so far, using harem and sex in great way - even if it also suffers from insane number of women - while also providing a decent story and protagonist (and yet the biggest accomplishment of Fostering Faust is that it's readable past the first book, compared to other series).

There is also this strange thing with the author attempt to connect his books to one another in shared universe. You may ask "how would he connect a superhero story on earth with stories on post-apo earth or fantasy medieval worlds?" Well, all of these worlds are governed by god Runner, the protagonist of the first Arrand's series, Otherlife Stories. Unfortunately, almost every reader agrees it's horrible and they want as little mention of Runner as possible. Surely it grates on the author horribly, but Fostering Faust benefited from lack of Runner extensively, even though one of his Wife has significant presence there.


7.5/10

Part 3/3

[Anonymous No.20878476]

One more thing that didn't make it into the review due to signs limit:

Why do I mention the shared universe? Because at some point in the second Monster's Mercy series the protagonist is whisked away while sleeping to spend few days on another world, the one with superhero, to aid another agent of the god (it takes place during one of Super Sales on Super Heroes books by the same author). The contrast between Renaissance setting and modern Super-hero one is extremely jarring, and to make it worse it isn't just a quick mention, but FEW FUCKING CHAPTERS. The author must have been on drugs while writing this, and his editor too terrified to put his foot down and forbid the inclusion of this part in the book. It's just terrible.


Part 4/3

[Anonymous No.20878601]

have you tried not reading isekai litrpgs

[Anonymous No.20878622]

>>20878601
Have you tried lurking the thread, newfag?

[Anonymous No.20878625]

>>20878622
I lurk on and off since 2013 and I've never seen this general in a more sorry state

[Anonymous No.20878634]

>>20878625
Sci-fi and fantasy have never been in a more sorry state, so it's only fitting

[Anonymous No.20878643]

>>20876932
It's shit. Read Garrett PI.

[Anonymous No.20878668]

Caught up to the translations for Damn Reincarnation. I'd call it a very serviceable web novel. I think most of what stands out to me is what it isn't. It isn't litrpg, it isn't an omniscient protagonist taking advantage of future knowledge, it isn't a loner revenge story. It's largely a solid fantasy novel about a guy investigating what happened to his friends after he died to save them, and trying to understand why they gave up on the quest they'd promised him they would finish. Its strengths lay mostly in this investigation and his discovery of how his death affected all of his friends. Overall it's fun, but unfinished and not particularly exceptional.

[Anonymous No.20878712]

>>20878625
>doesn't tell people to stop talking about the same ~8 authors
>thinks the majority of the thread discusses and reads isekai
You definitely haven't been here since 2013. Stop responding and lurk moar.

[Anonymous No.20878735]

>>20878712
most advanced litrpg fan reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.20878751]

>>20878735
Lurk for at least two more years before making another post, newfag.

[Anonymous No.20878761]

So many Isekai are lazy after Mushoku Tensei. A lot of them skip the language differences or give protagonist has magic auto translate. I want to see the protagonist have to learn everything in the new world, the language, customs, manners, etc., like what travelers in foreign places had to do in real life before globalization.

[Anonymous No.20878768]

>>20878751
I'll give two more years for this entire general to be ousted from the rest of this shithole to /a/ or /tg/

[Anonymous No.20879020]

>>20878091
Why would you even consider to indulge a fat asshole who thinks of his readers as suckers?

[Anonymous No.20879030]

>>20878735
Lit... rpg?

[Anonymous No.20879103]

>>20877394

[Anonymous No.20879107]

>>20878761
The problem with doing things from first principles every time is that it restricts how far you can take other elements. Stranger in a strange land becomes the premise entirely. Which can be fun, but I wouldn't want it to be the whole genre

[Anonymous No.20879116]

>>20878601
Look man, I read modern fantasy and post about it too, and it always sucks. Still mad I actually spent money on Atlas Six

[Anonymous No.20879210]

>>20878761
Mushoku tensei was garbage

[Anonymous No.20879601]

>>20877642
Elric of Melnibone

[Anonymous No.20879644]

>>20877679
I get what you mean but that's pretty clearly not what's being asked for. They all have villainous traits (except maybe Ziel) and origins, but none of them are particularly bad people. Lindon's worst trait is his greed and he's clearly not THAT ruled by it.

[Anonymous No.20879710]

So I listened to Iron Prince as an audiobook and I found it entertaining enough, and I was curious what other people were saying about it and was honestly not surprised it wasn't thought highly of over here. I want to say it was the way I "read" it? I pretty much only listen to it when I'm driving, since I don't like driving and doing nothing. I think part of it was that I unironically liked how cliché it was. For example I found it genuinely funny how all the characters were basically just character archetypes. The tomboy female childhood friend that's strangely never considered as a love interest for the MC, the asshole bully that's all brawn over brain, the 'Ms. Perfect' that feels isolated by her perfection, so on and so forth. It didn't even attempt to differentiate itself, and like I said I kinda liked it. This was the first litrpg I'd ever "read" so I guess that might have something to do with it. I made a game out of guessing plot developments before they'd happen and I had a pretty decent success rate. When I guessed his starting stats perfectly I knew I was in for a good time.
Is that weird? Liking something because of all the cliché? I think I treated it similarly to how one would treat a mindless summer blockbuster.

[Anonymous No.20879715]

>>20878091
Worth pirating, not worth paying HBO to watch

[Anonymous No.20879786]

>>20871092
>going through the recommended reading charts mega
>see the star wars one
>check it out of curiosity
>the only start wars book I've ever read has its own tier all the way at the bottom
>lol
I was only ten or eleven when I read it, and while I find it funny that The Last Jedi is considered pretty bad, I was at that age when you don't really know whether or not something is bad and you're just happy to read/play/watch it. I was in my star wars phase at the time and I remember that my mind was blown by the concept of books being made for a series and continuing the story.

[Anonymous No.20879788]

>>20879715
Honestly its jewish production, ideally they want you to pay for it and watch it, but if you choose not to pay you will still receive some kind globo homo liberal brainwashing just by pirating and watching it for free, in other words don't even bother pirating because its some schlomo garbage dressed up in nice special effects and costumes.

[Anonymous No.20879802]

>>20879788
This.

[Anonymous No.20879824]

>>20879710
Nah. Tropes are tropes for a reason. Iron Prince isn't awful, it's just kind of bland. As far as 'progression fantasy' goes, it just feels like it lacks in terms of... So many things. The characters are all very one-note, there isn't really... A plot going on despite it being 800 pages, it's basically a giant 'filler training arc' but that's the entire book there's nothing else. You could honestly have condensed the entire book down to being, like, the first quarter of another book.

[Anonymous No.20879968]

>>20871520
No. It's got too many words for too little plot. It's all crapsack worldbuilding without any payoff, the plot sort of just "happens" to characters without any real involvement. Every time something appears to be interesting it's immediately subverted into something boring, soulless, and banal right before it could be consummated. If there was hypothetically a way to "turn your brain off" while reading a book, Memory Sorrow Thorn would be the ideal object of such an endeavor.

[Anonymous No.20880022]

If HBO/Amazon wants a multicultural fantasy setting why don't they adapt Will Wight? Elder Empire has the one redhead sea captain and every other character is brown.

[Anonymous No.20880091]

>>20879710
>was honestly not surprised it wasn't thought highly of over here
...Did this anon actually use an archive?

[Anonymous No.20880101]

>>20880022
They don't just want a multicultural fantasy, they want to brown white things.

[Anonymous No.20880145]

How good is this boxed set?

[Anonymous No.20880150]

>>20880091
...Yes?

[Anonymous No.20880179]

>>20880101
This.

[Anonymous No.20880243]

Are there any book recommendation lists about fantasy or scifi books where men are men, women are women, and nobody is black? I haven't read too many fantasy books at all, but I just finished pic related, and I really liked it. It was quite refreshing to read a book where all soldiers are actually men and of presumably the same ethnicity. I know it might a silly thing to ask for something like that, but I really could use escapism of that kind.

[Anonymous No.20880308]

>>20880243
There are no such books, everything (even older fantasy) is liberal trash at least to some degree,

[Anonymous No.20880321]

>>20876266
1 book, but 2 is ok if its cheaper
why did you ask the wallpaper general this question

[Anonymous No.20880324]

>>20880243
nothing hard and fast, but sword and sorcery is probably what you're gonna want to look into

[Anonymous No.20880376]

>>20880243
Undying Mercenaries series comes close. There are female soldiers, but it's repeatedly stated that they're physically no match for the men and they're mostly just there so the protagonist has someone to have sex with. There's one black side character, but I think his race is only mentioned once like eight books in.

[Anonymous No.20880379]

>>20871380
Ever do men feel shame in being filtered. There is no shame in being filtered. The shame comes when men deride what they do not understand. There is wisdom in humility, a foolishness in scorn.

[Anonymous No.20880397]

>>20880379
Those who rule are not like those who drool.

[Anonymous No.20880448]

>>20880243
Unironically Bakker. The only blacks are literal space aliens.

[Anonymous No.20880453]

>>20880376
not him, but how is this series? the synopsis sounds pretty sick

[Anonymous No.20880467]

>>20871647
Its good that they put it in the title. That way I can see " Oh its a litrpg" and ignore it right away.

>>20871683
>art be damned.
>Art
>litrpg

What did anon mean by this?

[Anonymous No.20880500]

>>20880453
Yeah, it's light hearted and banter driven, but pretty good. It's not gritty realism. My favorite thing about him as an author is that the people on the same side aren't always on the same page and so tend to pursue their personal agendas more than the common good. It makes for more interesting reading then when the good guys all just toe the line.

It sold well, so he kept on writing them past the time the books were good so be prepared for that. Though it's maybe got a second wind in the last one or two.

[Anonymous No.20880507]

>>20880453
Fun pulp. Sometimes characters don't realize things that seem obvious so that the protagonist can outsmart them, but I think it's balanced out a bit by times when he misses the obvious and gets screwed by it instead. He's a six and a half foot tall Georgia redneck described as "one part genius and three parts retard," and a lot of the entertainment comes from seeing him stumble into disasters where he has to bullshit his way out of getting permanently killed - or stop all of Earth from getting eliminated.

[Anonymous No.20880512]

>>20880500
>>20880507
sounds fun, added to my backlog

[Anonymous No.20880622]

>>20873496
>trashy litrpgs

Unnecessary adjective

[Anonymous No.20880814]

Why do people re-read books?
They are already in your head.

[Anonymous No.20880830]

>>20880814
Maybe you read them in an earlier stage of your life and wanted to have a second look now that you know a bit more and have experienced a bit more of the world?

[Anonymous No.20880837]

what is our opinion on the elric saga

[Anonymous No.20880898]

>>20880837
based

[Anonymous No.20880995]

>>20880814
books are infinite but comfiness is not

[Anonymous No.20881004]

>>20880837
It's not a 'saga;' that's just some bullshit Moorcock came up with after the fact. Also the stories need to be read in published/written order since the oldest Elric stories are the best.

[Anonymous No.20881105]

>>20880376
>>20880500
>>20880507
Thanks for the recommendation I'm loving it already.

[Anonymous No.20881210]

Is this the first "trapped in a VR game" novel? It'd be kind of wild to me if Vivian Vande Velde really wrote the first of that genre, but I'm not seeing anything earlier than '91 right now

[Anonymous No.20881256]

>>20880243
There are no black people in Middle Earth.

[Anonymous No.20881285]

The Rape Story

[Anonymous No.20881441]

>>20877426
I sort of like and dislike Red Rising at the same time. The Society seems so much interesting as genetical engineer social darwinistic authoritarian dystopia than the actual struggle against it and the republic that comes to replace it.

[Anonymous No.20881493]

>>20871092
What is “genreshit” and what’s an example you enjoy? Why is it stigmatized? Also what’s an example of “pulp”?

[Anonymous No.20881503]

>>20881493
youtube.com/watch?v=pijNEGhhfRY

[Anonymous No.20881524]

>20881503
Actual answer please.

[Anonymous No.20881539]

>>20881493
I enjoyed spiderlight

[Anonymous No.20881552]

>>20881539
What qualifies it as genreshit/pulp?

[Anonymous No.20881567]

>>20881552
It's fantasy with some neat twists on classic tropes

[Anonymous No.20881648]

>>20881256
What then are the half-trolls of Far-Harad and the basketball numenorians?

[Anonymous No.20881653]

>>20881539
I think it's his weakest fantasy. Blade of Redemption is better, as far as trope heavy Tchaikovsky works go. Only a little bit of his weird arachnophilia, too, thankfully

[Anonymous No.20881669]

>>20881653
When is Watts and Tchaikovsky gonna link up

[Anonymous No.20881818]

>>20881669
Never

[Anonymous No.20881865]

>>20871775
she cucks him with his mentor (the gruff guy with leg problem)

[Anonymous No.20881882]

>>20881865
What happened between burrich and Molly is about as natural as anyone could expect. They thought he was dead and Fitz CHOSE to literally abandon his child and gf. He could have gone back and sent kettricken or starling with a message that he was alive. He literally cucked himself.

[Anonymous No.20881902]

>>20881865
It's not cucking if you think they are dead

[Anonymous No.20881929]

>>20881902
>>20881882
fact is she cucks him
but yeah he's a tard
which is why the story is worthless

[Anonymous No.20881936]

>>20880243
Waylander

[Anonymous No.20881984]

>>20877988
women like it, because it has cuckoldry
(MC's wife ends up with a gruff older guy, typical female fantasy)

[Anonymous No.20881985]

>>20881882
Don't expect any nuance argument, anon.

[Anonymous No.20881988]

>>20881210
Gibson stories from the early 80s like Burning Chrome. Also the movie Tron from the same period. There must be older ones, but being specifically stuck in VR is a weird one because it implies so many bad decisions.

[Anonymous No.20882012]

Which character in realm of the Elderlings was Hobbs self insert?

[Anonymous No.20882025]

>>20882012
None, what the fuck is this stupid question?

[Anonymous No.20882034]

Vance, Peake, Bakker. The Holy trinity of /sffg/

[Anonymous No.20882037]

TWI 6.46E

>Belavierr stood amid the screams, around the fallen coven. And she looked down at her daughter. She smiled, with all the love in her soul. Her daughter’s horror-struck gaze met her mother’s. Belavierr swung one arm out, and her smile was a terrible thing. She walked forwards and bent towards her daughter. She reached out and Wiskeria raised a shaking hand. Belavierr captured it. And her voice was soft.

>“My beloved daughter. You will remember this day forever. You have found your craft, and you will be the first [Witch] of a new era. One of law. Of order. And you will be the greatest [Witch] of us all. This is my love for you, Wiskeria. This is what I can give you. I will be your craft. Stop me. Hunt me. For I shall never die until the day you stop me.”

>Belavierr bent. She kissed her daughter on the forehead. And then she turned and walked away. She looked back once at Wiskeria, waved, and then she was gone.

Jesus christ
And here I was hoping for a somewhat "happy" ending to this (really interesting) witch arc

[Anonymous No.20882041]

Anyone else here have a rare name, and you feel kinda awkward when it appears in a story? Unless it's for a cool character I guess.

[Anonymous No.20882047]

>>20878476
>>20878476
>Part 4/3
In all seriousness, isn't he the guy who did Aether's Blessing? I actually like harem stories, but never felt so betrayed by any book as when second novel turned the power duo into generic harem.

[Anonymous No.20882048]

>>20882041
Gaylord? I would but it's a little too rare.

[Anonymous No.20882056]

>>20882041
Don't worry about it Hubertus

[Anonymous No.20882076]

>>20882037
itachi characters are dumb
but it's written by a women, so no surprise

[Anonymous No.20882098]

>>20882037
The Witch Arc was Kino

[Anonymous No.20882181]

>>20882047
No, William D. Arrand is the same guy as Randi Darren, but Aether's Revival is a different guy.

[Anonymous No.20882193]

>>20882076
>but it's written by a women, so no surprise
The author of TWI being a woman is a meme. It's a guy. ~30 years old American named Noah James who's obsessed with writing.
Me thinks he thought obfuscating his image would make people think he's a woman, thus boosting his popularity because next to none women write webnovels (they don't need to, as the publishing industry extremely favors women kek)

[Anonymous No.20882205]

>>20881105
Damn, already blitzed through the first book. That was good. I'm not too much of a fan of how everyone is mutually a dick to each other, but I can tolerate it. And it highlights the moments of genuine kindness I guess.

[Anonymous No.20882255]

>>20882041
My nickname, which I fought to keep all my life to avoid a more embarrassing one, is now a cutesy anime character name and I hate it with a passion

[Anonymous No.20882382]

>>20882193
If its written by a man why is it so womancentric

[Anonymous No.20882467]

>>20882382
>If its written by a man why is it so womancentric
Because the author has strong women fetish. Why do you think almost every pov is a young woman that overcomes challenges? Women don't write stuff this way, this is just fetish stuff

[Anonymous No.20882516]

New thread
>>20882515

[Anonymous No.20882554]

>>20871854
Malazan is the series that killed fantasy for me. I've been struggling to get through other fantasy books after completing it. That doesn't mean I like Steven Erikson's writing. He's verbose and all his characters seem to be philosophers at times.

[Anonymous No.20882566]

New thread
>>20882565

[Anonymous No.20882578]

New thread
>>20882577

[Anonymous No.20882587]

I know these new threads are made by bakkerspamer, but why the fuck is janny deleting a new thread if this one is at the 10 page? Soon it will be archived

[Anonymous No.20882594]

>>20882587
The more important question is why do the American shitposters stay up just to shitpost in the new threads.

[Anonymous No.20882595]

>>20882587
Because he's a fucking retard who would rather delete the threads than just ban the spammers.

[Anonymous No.20882600]

>>20882594
This shit only happens in Euro hours.

[Anonymous No.20882602]

>>20882600
No, Euro hours are usually dead. This shit reeks of americans,

[Anonymous No.20882610]

>>20882578
Well the thread is derailed and people are spamming now. I’ll do the bare minimum.

[Anonymous No.20882616]

>>20882610
It's really something to see when you have like five anons just shitting up the new thread, just for the sole purpose to shitpost, but yeah, I'll also do the bare minimum.

[Anonymous No.20882627]

>>20882595
The new jannies have been banning the spammers recently, so it couldn't be him.

[Anonymous No.20882637]

>>20882600
>This thread was absolutely dead once it reached the bump limit
>New thread is made and shitposters just spam
I truly do think its just a few americans with no lives at this point that need to shitpost.

[Anonymous No.20882644]

>>20882578
They are really going hard on the spam. Isn't it like 8AM at the latest for them? The fuck.

[Anonymous No.20882646]

>>20882644
just report him and hope for the janny divine intervention

[Anonymous No.20882654]

>>20882646
Already did that and hoping for that as well, the past few threads were pretty decent once the spammers got ban.

[Anonymous No.20882660]

>>20882646
>>20882654
Still though, why do they do it?

[Anonymous No.20882664]

>>20882660
Who cares. Just report them.

[Anonymous No.20882669]

>>20882660
because 4chan beckons autists with adjacent mental problems. He gets satisfaction from posting and seeing how people react with annoyance at his antics. Like a boy pulling girls' ponytails to see them squeak.
Absolutely fatherless behaviour.

[Anonymous No.20882672]

>>20882669
I think it's more than one at this point.

[Anonymous No.20882678]

>>20882672
Probably zoomers as well since they keep posting asinine shit.

[Anonymous No.20882687]

>>20882660
A complete and total destruction of discourse on 4chan has been occurring since at least 2011.

[Anonymous No.20882692]

>>20882654
>the past few threads were pretty decent once the spammers got ban.
Surprised someone else noticed that.

[Anonymous No.20882701]

>>20882692
Not that hard to notice that the threads have been reaching two days now.