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20572791 No.20572791 [Reply] [Original]

>looking up schedules of famous writers
>they almost always wake up and write for 4 or 5 hours first thing in the morning
Why?

>> No.20572801

>>20572791
because they aren't wagies so they can literally "live the dream"

>> No.20572804

People tend to be the most creative in the mornings. That's why you should avoid electronics for at least the first hour of the day

>> No.20572810

>>20572804
How come I'm always most productive and creative in the evenings?

>> No.20572811

Reminder ur a bitch if u drink coffee
>bbut le enlightenment!
Stfu. They were all faggots. Ancient and medieval alcoholic Evropa was more soulful.

>> No.20572829

Get work done. Mornings aren’t as distracting as afternoons and evenings.
4am to 10am. Now days depends where you live 7am-9am you’ll see bush streets but between 10-12 it’s good, 4-6/7

>> No.20572833
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20572833

>singles: bean
>dubs: wife
>trips:daughter

>> No.20572874

>>20572833
Roll
If singles I start Beanmaxxing

>> No.20572879

>>20572791
When you wake your mind has yet to fill with all the thoughts that usually accompany you during the day.

>> No.20573051

>>20572810
Because you've never tried it in the mornings...

>> No.20573057

>>20572791
I can't write in the morning, i feel 20 IQ points lower than normal. i write best 4pm - 10pm

>> No.20573064

I wake up thinking about how I hate work and life.
I read you are more creative because your mind isn't tired from making all the tiny decisions.
Sounds fake and gay.

>> No.20573124

>>20572791
>>20572804
When you wake up your mind is free of a lot of the garbage thoughts and feelings and associations you'll acquire throughout the day and you're more in touch with your subconscious mind that's just gone apeshit dreaming while you were asleep.

>>20572810
When you get really tired you get a little loopy, everyone's experienced that staying up late and suddenly stuff that wasn't funny at all is now plain hilarious.
Your brain chemistry also changes in really significant ways when you're hungry as tends to happen late at night. It drives you to come up with novel solutions to problems. Eating slows you down, makes you dumb, tired, lazy and complacent for hours afterward.

>> No.20573160

>>20572791
Because they like writing. It’s not a conscious choice. When you like doing something and you wale up in the morning alone in your room you just start doing it

>> No.20573174

I believe morning is when the stress hormone cortisol levels are low so it helps you focus quite a bit.

>> No.20573321

>>20573051
Categorically wrong. I have tried and yet 5-7 hours later I come back and it's like a "switch has flipped", but I couldn't do it in the morning. Why is that? Don't make inaccurate assumptions this time.
>>20573124
>everyone's experienced that staying up late and suddenly stuff that wasn't funny at all is now plain hilarious.
None of that resonates with me. because it's not even late at night, it's more around that sweet spot of 5-7pm. Doesn't matter if I have an early dinner or miss dinner, that's when it happens. It's not about sleep deprivation, quite the opposite, it's like I've been a zombie all day and only now my brain finally "switches on". I do have my 1am moments, but I think that's more because the house is quiet so there's no fear of distraction.

>> No.20573556

>>20572791
P.G. Wodehouse was writing in the evening.
A book every year. Till his 90s.
People like to work early if they hate their work and want to get it done as soon as possible. They are also not disciplined enough to start working later in the day after they already distracted themselves with other activities.

>> No.20573605

>>20573556
btw, computer programmers are typically quite passionate about their work and evenings (and nights) are their typical working hours - if they have any say abut the schedule that is.

>> No.20573625

>>20573124
>Eating slows you down, makes you dumb, tired, lazy and complacent for hours afterward.
weird that I've been thinking the same thing lately

>> No.20573630

>>20572833
I'M GONNA ROLL LET'S GO FUCK IT

>> No.20573653

>>20572833
>wife
Didn't he steal that unfunny retard James Acaster's girlfriend?

https://youtu.be/adh0KGmgmQw

>> No.20573763

>>20572833
Rolling for bean

>> No.20573808

>>20573321
look at this little contrarian faggot
try maintaining a normal sleep schedule and put down the technology and you'll see why thousands of creators before you have chosen mornings as their time of play

>> No.20573983

>>20572791
Henry James wrote like 50 books. Even well-read people read like five of them (the bowl, turn of the screw, the american, the ambassador...). there might be one or two scholars alive who have read each and every one of his books. let that sink in. there's really no need to be overproductive as an author.

>> No.20574040

Hey, I work out first thing in the morning, but you do you, insanigger

>> No.20574058

>>20572833
roll

>> No.20574078

>>20573625
it's a fine line for me
for the first hour or two after eating I feel lazy, but if I go more than 8 hours or so without, it also horseshoes into lethargy

>> No.20574130

>>20573983
agreed. and no writer has ever written more than 3 truly great books

>> No.20574140

>>20572791
I usually do this as well; there's lots of practical reasons why, although it's more true that the ideas are more fresh in the head and haven't set like concrete due to the days activities. More plasticity, I mean. I still find myself writing a silly short story or a song, maybe, if I'm home around lunchtime, but serious thinking is a morning thing.

I notice that eating breakfast makes it impossible, but coasting on strong coffee and cigarettes has the right effect to maintain the chemical balance which is disturbed by forcing the body to divert energy to break down a croissant and marmalade.

1) Waking up at around 3 or 4am and leaving for work - whenever - is the best habit to get into.
2) You aren't bothered by phone calls and other people.
3) There's no rush.
4) When not working that day you find that you've pretty much done everything you needed to do by 9am and have the rest of the day free.

muchproductive

>> No.20574192

https://www.gwern.net/Morning-writing

>> No.20574247

>>20574130
Hemingway? He had A Farewell to Arms, The Sun Also Rises, For Whom the Bell Tolls, and Old Man and the Sea. I'd even add A Moveable Feast to that as well.

>> No.20574418

>>20574192
interesting stuff,
>If someone slept during the day & woke up at midnight, that person would then be best off writing at midnight, right after waking up, rather than 8 hours later in the morning, equivalent to their afternoon.
I used to do this when I was kid and was "trying to write fiction" and it was fine then, but unthinkable as an adult; the same juices aren't flowing or the teen brain is just crap at creativity and thought and possesses none in the first place, w/ nighttime writing being more memory recall, like a dream state.

>A version of this ‘thing building up/wearing out over the day’ is that it is related to ego depletion or ‘decision fatigue’
I think this near to the mark; aking up at 4am, doing some project until 10, then going out or playing games over luch or something, left me feeling completely fucked by about 2pm, good for nothing, but having done lots already.

This reminded me of the 'ague' that used to be a word and a 'condition', when Walter Raleigh being led to the execution block says that it's about that time of day that his 'ague' comes on and he hopes the crowd won't think he's trembling out of fear of execution. ague as 'foggy headedness' perhaps? Certainly the usual desc. of 'ague' as 'influenza' or 'cold-flu' doesn't seem correct in what Raleigh was describing (flux, nerves, exhaustion). Seems about right though.

>> No.20574423

Mind is the cleanest in the morning and the anxiety hasn't yet set in

>> No.20574492

And by morning you mean after 1 pm

>> No.20574497
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20574497

>>20573064
>I wake up thinking about how I hate work and life.
Every. single. day.

>> No.20574499

>>20572791
My most profound, lucid, and creative passages of thought occur within a few hours of my waking. By the end of the day, I am retarded and dull.

>> No.20574533

>>20573064
>>20574497
>tiny decisions
the opposite is more true; it's having to plan which nesseciates becoming intelligent so that the plans work.

Unless you mean, like, shitty jerb-work. That's what slaves are in human societies; I always felt there was a terrible socialistic dystopianism to the (fake) idea that "all people should have a regular mandatory hours dogs job" (from 9/5 no matter what happens) and that this was somehow "admirable" or even "desirable".

i could go on, but it would be off-topic.

>> No.20574586

>>20572833
I win.

>> No.20574997

>>20574499
This is really the truth. Plus, when you wake up and make writing the first thing you do, it sets the tone for it being the priority in your life. It's a discipline thing also.

>> No.20575012

>>20572833
roll

>> No.20575123

>>20572791
You can't avoid a task if it is the first thing you do. Simple as.

>> No.20575170

>>20572791
It takes me like 2 hours to get ready in the morning I dont get it

>> No.20575192

>>20572833
Ofc I'm gonna get the daughter

>> No.20575202

>>20573983
The point is not quantity but the chance to write a great work you'll be remembered. Keep writing! The greatest novel of your country might be in your 103rd book

>> No.20575320

>>20575170
You say this, anon, but you look like shit!

>> No.20575363
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20575363

>>20575202
>The point is not quantity but
naw, the point is to simply 'be': to have developed your sense and know-how, and literary skill, to the point where you can write 4,000 words on a complex subject each or every other day, and then die of laughter.

It's not about "convincing the masses" or "being remembered", there are far easier ways to go about that anyway, and nobody of a good disposition would set out to 'be popular', that's definitely vulgar and base and it would queer the entire trajectory of a persons output.


i like using funny words

>> No.20575372

>>20574140
If you want to go to bed 3 hours before sunset maybe

>> No.20575383

Hume said the greatest clarity of thought was in the morning

>> No.20575384

>>20573983
To be fair, with 50 books you have a higher chances of writing something great. But if all your 50 books are generic as fuck, then yes, you mostly wasted your time.

>> No.20575396

>>20575372
hell i was doing that when I was working 9/5 in a week; i'd struggle to sleep, but i'd be damn sure I was setting my alarm for 4am so, if anything, I could wake up and enjoy laying around for an hour, then have another four or five hours to do whatever i wanted before the work day started - taking the lethargic exhausted 'free time' of an evening and swapping it out for the morning when the body and brain isn't exhausted.

>> No.20575403

>>20575372
i'd give it a try anyway - people will call you highly disciplined, and you'll be laying in bed smiling about it.

>> No.20575428

now that I think about it, if I have somewhere to be in the morning, the idea of waking up at 8 or 7 seems alien and stupid; guaranteed to result in sluggishness.

I learned a good habit, I suppose.

>> No.20575642

1. you are closer to your dream state and your unconscious mind
2. you haven't taken on any unconscious bias by reading shit throughout the day first

>> No.20575656

>>20572791
Look into Hunter S. Thompson's schedule. You'll be wondering why you aren't waking up later, writing later, and not using as much drugs.

>> No.20575673

>>20572833
That's Edmund Blackadder

>> No.20575681

>>20573983
>Even well-read people read like five of them
that's because Henry James is really boring
Stephen King has written more books and people read those because they're enjoyable

>> No.20575685

>>20572833

gimmie gimmie

>> No.20575684

>>20573983
Sure, but he clearly had a lot of practice. Unless it’s one of those cases where his only good shit is from when he started.

>> No.20575705

>>20573983
It's true of most authors, really.

Great authors wrote massively, and the may be only known for the few works that got published, or even a few of those published.

I remember when I was reading the final book and autobiography of Ricardo Arenas, published shortly after his suicide (he was in extreme pain beacuse of AIDS, in the early 90s), I was surprised when he talked about the mentioned the many novels and poems he wrote as a teenager. We only know a few of those works, however.

Makes me wonder, how many books or pieces James actually started, to get 50 books published.

>> No.20575707

>>20572791
I've started doing it recently because I started an evening shift. I get up a couple hours before work so i have some free time in the daylight which i often spend writing. I definitely think there is something to it. I don't know if what i write is necessarily better in the morning but it does seem to flow better.

>> No.20576031

>>20575673
>That's Edmund Blackadder
Wrong. Now, Baldrick, if I have one bean and two more beans - what do I actually have?

>> No.20576064

>>20576031
Edmund Blackadder milord

>> No.20576082

>>20576064
Baldrick, the monkey tribes of the indus have mastered this..!

>> No.20576094
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20576094

>What do I do with myself from day to day? I write when I can and I don't write when I can't; always in the morning or the early part of the day. You get very gaudy ideas at night but they don't stand up. I found this out long ago . . . I'm always seeing little pieces by writers about how they don't ever wait for inspiration; they just sit down at their little desks every morning at eight, rain or shine, hangover and broken arm and all, and bang out their little stint. However blank their minds or dim their wits, no nonsense about inspiration from them. I offer them my admiration and take care to avoid their books. Me, I wait for inspiration, though I don't necessarily call it by that name. I believe that all writing that has any life in it is done with the solar plexus. It is hard work in the sense that it may leave you tired, even exhausted. In the sense of conscious effort it is not work at all. The important thing is that there should be a space of time, say four hours a day at least, when a professional writer doesn't do anything else but write. He doesn't have to write, and if he doesn't feel like it, he shouldn't try. He can look out of the window or stand on his head or writhe on the floor. But he is not to do any other positive thing, not read, write letters, glance at magazines, or write checks. Write or nothing. It's the same principle as keeping order in a school. If you make the pupils behave, they will learn something just to keep from being bored. I find it works. Two very simple rules, a. you don't have to write. b. you can't do anything else. The rest comes of itself.

t. chandler

>> No.20576139

>>20576094
>chandler
reading this you can almost understand why Christian Weston Chandler is the most popular Man to have existed.

>> No.20576159

>>20576094
>I'm always seeing little pieces by writers about how they don't ever wait for inspiration; they just sit down at their little desks every morning at eight, rain or shine, hangover and broken arm and all, and bang out their little stint. However blank their minds or dim their wits, no nonsense about inspiration from them. I offer them my admiration and take care to avoid their books.
actually that's hilarious - who is this guy?

>> No.20576471

>>20572833
Imagine being mogged by your Mom.

>> No.20576950

>>20572833
roll

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>>20572791
My creativity and self-expression is the most important thing. Nothing else matters

>> No.20576976

>>20572791
their dreams reveal to them what they need to write.

>> No.20577200

I've found 1AM-7AM works best if you are an autistic NEET

>> No.20577734

>>20572791
>>they almost always wake up and write for 4 or 5 hours first thing in the morning

same but i read instead of writing, i would guess because your mind is more focused

>> No.20577740

>>20574192
>gwern.net

redpill me on him

>> No.20577798

>>20573653

This was funny. Plus it didn't say anything about Bean you fucking retard

>> No.20577841

>>20576159
You're missing out if you've never read Raymond Chandler. Start with "The Big Sleep".

>> No.20577986

>>20572833
check em

>> No.20578157

>>20572833
I will absolutely commit to this roll.

>> No.20579507

>>20577841
I was impressed with that line, it reminded me of Joseph Addison; the frankness. Will be looking up Raymond Chandler.

>> No.20579559

>>20574533
>somehow "admirable"
It is by pure fact of the matter that the majority can take that step and accept such a repetitive life. I don't know whether they refuse to let it get to them, or if they just genuinely enjoy it and don't "ever" consider it. Well, for me that is admirable as I can't imagine doing that. In fact, I already have trouble getting 5 hour shifts in and working just 40 hours a month. If the majority of working people actually posses the mental fortitude to power through 40h a week work then that is impressive. Sadly, the same sort of respect isn't send the other way. I have shit to do all day every day and follow my passion but my acceptance of people that lead the "average" life isn't met with "live and let live" but scorn and contempt for "I'm lazy". It's quite savage, as you said, to expect every single individual to have a regular mandatory job.
My own father strongly believes that one should just do whatever, even if it's something that greatly pains the soul. So, whenever we talk it's literally never about anything other than work and comments such as "well just do something full-time and if it means you can't do what you want then so be it". It really hurts to have your own father tell you to just shove what makes yourself happy into the bin and go work a 9 to 5 job you don't want to have to deal with.

>> No.20579614

>>20579559
I could've gone on lol

I don't disagree with the ethics of the thing but rather of the mandatory-ness or "pride" that people have attached to a set 9/5. It's a nice notion to get kids into a job, sure, but as an adult you realize that the 9/5 is superfluous and that people who do it are very lazy people who drag their work out to those set hours which could probably be accomplished in half the time. Showing up for a job to collect a salary and wandering around the job half-asleep is both a drain on the employer and harmful to innovation; as such people tend to not be very pleased when it's proven to them how they can quadruple their productivity.

I think it's a lot like the complaint people make of school being boring; it's not that the idea or the 'hard work' is boring, but rather that there is no 'hard work' going on so it's a waste of the hours.

I've been an employee in these kind of situations and an employer of other people; to be honest I found that the manager or owner is wasting the vigor of their employees by letting them fall into lazy habits like that: a new employee is bright and fresh and ready to do whatever's asked of them, but the moment they're exposed to the lazy hourly rate types they emulate what they see.

I usually compared the 9/5 to intelligent seasonal farming; a farm requires a lots of effort in the work, this is true, but the work is seasonal and fairly easy and short so that you have a situation where you're working very hard for a few days in a month with very little to do in the rest of the time (or you can put in a workshop to make wine, etc.) - and this is how it's supposed to be. The error is that by doing away with slavery, for example, whilst maintain the notion of "slave work" we've just adopted a conceit that the mandatory "you must show up and stand here" 'work' of the slave or prisoner was in the first place somehow optimal work - that it wasn't in the first place supposed to be a punishment or a way to keep them busy.

Seasonal work is probably the best way to work; or a part-time job with a good salary, that let's you take a few months off in the year.

all off topic to the OP, but kind of valid re: scheduling and use of time.

>> No.20579619

>>20579559
farming,
I mean that you're working hard 10% of the time to collect the major rewards at the end of the period, rather than working lazy 100% of the time for the same reward (or lesser reward, if taken into account what else you could've built wit the free 90% of the time).

>> No.20579660

>>20572804
>That's why you should avoid electronics for at least the first hour of the day
electronics should be avoided as much as possible