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[Anonymous No.19479073]

How would a Stoic handle the Trolley problem?

[Anonymous No.19479093]

By realizing it is the great Logos turning the wheels of the trolley and if there is utility in saving the subjects he will turn the lever - if there is none he will not.

[Anonymous No.19479099]

>>19479073
Walk away from the lever unperturbed and carry on with his day.

[Anonymous No.19479109]

>>19479093
But in any other circumstance, for example if someone was drowning, he would sace them right?
>>19479099
Wouldn't that be "evil"?

[Anonymous No.19479127]

>>19479109
>>Wouldn't that be "evil"?
why would it be evil and if it would be what is your objection to being evil?

[Anonymous No.19479129]

>>19479073
You should obviously sacrifice the one person to save the others.
>but le fat man
Yes, in that(completely contrived) scenario you should push the fat man

>but what if the one guy is le better person
You dont know that so you have to assume parity among them

[Anonymous No.19479136]

This is gay.

[Anonymous No.19479141]

>>19479129
Would you say the same if that one man was you? Would you sacrifice yourself to save 5 people?

[Anonymous No.19479147]

>>19479141
I probably wouldn't but that's just because I'm not a very good person. Who knows, maybe some pang of conscience would provoke me to do the right thing in the heat of the moment.

[Anonymous No.19479148]

>>19479136
Welcome to /lit/

[Anonymous No.19479159]

>>19479147
What do you think a stoic should do in that situation? Should he sacrifice himself?

[Anonymous No.19479192]

>>19479073
Stoicism exists as a way to cope with the uncontrollable ephemeral world. Stoics are pussies and wouldn’t pull the handle

[Anonymous No.19479211]

>>19479099
thats like being a pyrrhonist
stoic would kill only the 1 guy because it is better for the community

[Anonymous No.19479239]

>>19479192
>Stoicism exists as a way to cope
This, and it's also obviously to one's benefit to be emotive/performative/active/reactive/etc. in the right situations.

[Anonymous No.19479240]

>>19479073
He would jump in front of the train, displaying the virtue of courage, which is all that matters regardless of what happens next.

[Anonymous No.19479260]

>>19479240
I have to agree, and I must say, it's pretty comfy to be at the end of history and mock everything in the past, that has brought us to this shitshow we call the present.

[Anonymous No.19479265]

>>19479073
Trolley problems are ridiculous. I believe you can derail a train even in this same situation.

[Anonymous No.19479269]

>>19479099

[Anonymous No.19479275]

>>19479265
No but like ... trolley problems are great ... because they force you to aske questions like "why would you need to derail the train"
this is like ... philosophy or something

[Anonymous No.19479283]

>>19479275
t. totally bamboozled and outstripped by the trolley problem

[Anonymous No.19479289]

>>19479283
I'd be the one driving the trolley

[Anonymous No.19479305]

>>19479275
A trolley problem assumes a dualistic world fundamentally and that all actions are taken in two. In a moral sense this challenges moral agency through ontological implications. Even worse it has no solution. Schrodinger's cat was negatively explanatory. The trolley problem is just the worst parts of modern analytic philosophy mixed w the problem of consciousness.

[Anonymous No.19479309]

>>19479289
>power fantasies to escape a moral quandary
Clearly you father was cold and occasionally abusive

[Anonymous No.19479317]

>>19479309
There's no moral quandary because it doesn't depict a real situation. Some turbo mcgyver could do crazy shit to stop a train

[Anonymous No.19479323]

>>19479260
I would argue the present was inevitable almost regardless of what philosophies existed in the past. Paraphrasing Nietzsche, philosophy reflects a man, it doesn't produce him.

[Anonymous No.19479335]

>>19479309
>Clearly you father was cold and occasionally abusive
he is(cold) and was(abusive)
my life is miserable and i just want to die desu.

[Anonymous No.19479341]

>>19479317
>more power fantasies
Let go of your cowardice and step into the brisk refreshing air of choice

[Anonymous No.19479342]

>>19479323
Sounds like someone wants to avoid blaming philosophy for the problems its created

[Anonymous No.19479352]

>>19479341
You have a choice to learn how to derail a train using whatever effective choices are available.

[Anonymous No.19479355]

>>19479129
What if the one person is a woman?

>B-but Schoppy told us women are... Le bad
They can poop out males out of their cord-cutters.

[Anonymous No.19479357]

>>19479341
>>19479352
The world is 3d not 1d, it's more than yes/no.

[Anonymous No.19479361]

>>19479355
What are you even trying to say, that women are...le better? Why would it matter what sex they are

[Anonymous No.19479378]

>>19479073
By gritting his teeth, excepting that both outcomes are rough but he must resolve himself to hold fast and do nothing as he watches fate unfold.

[Anonymous No.19479380]

>>19479378
I wonder how they piss in the morning

[Anonymous No.19479387]

>>19479378
But he can choose, and which is to his preference no less
Sounds like he just needs to be put on antidepressants

[Anonymous No.19479388]

>>19479361
I'm just complicating things further since there were mentions of a fat guy, a better person guy etc.

I guess the ultimate trigger would be "5 random people vs a pregnant woman" situation.

[Anonymous No.19479391]

>>19479159
He would as he doesn’t fear death and realises virtue is achieved through civic duty.

[Anonymous No.19479396]

>>19479388
Pregnant women is still just two people

[Anonymous No.19479407]

Push it the other way.

[Anonymous No.19479412]

>>19479073
By starting a Discord server and performing gay ops and intellectual discussion with the best of YouTube academics

[Anonymous No.19479578]

>>19479396
Not to boomers

[Anonymous No.19480414]

>>19479127
Comodus is not a moral man, maximus

[Anonymous No.19480417]

>>19479073
Not my problem, dumbasses should stay off tracks

[Anonymous No.19480425]

>>19479073
He'd kill the five then shoot the one cause stoics are niggers

[Anonymous No.19480481]

>>19479073
>>19479099
Yeah, walking away is fine. He knows that the divine order knows he'll walk away and leave what happens next to the divine order.
The numbers don't mean anything anyway. There's no value-of-life arithmetic. The five could be five serial killers for all he knows.

[Anonymous No.19480490]

>>19480481
By the same metric he could pull the lever since it boils down to lolwhocares, that would equally be the divine order

[Anonymous No.19480494]

>>19479073
what would the reclamations pantheon want me to do?

[Anonymous No.19480508]

[Anonymous No.19480520]

>>19480508
Kafkaesque

[Anonymous No.19480531]

>>19480520
ill buy.
>inb4rollingstones