/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19286732]

Does love exist or was it a ploy just to sell books? I'm starting to think romance novels are just popular because women fomo them THAT hard. I don't see men reading that crap

[Anonymous No.19286745]

Love is an illusion and doesn't exist
Everyone ultimately does everything exclusively for their own interest. The concept of "helping" and, for extension, "love", don't exist

[Anonymous No.19286755]

>>19286732
>>19286745
Read up on Harry Harlow’s experiments on rhesus monkeys.
The monkeys would seek out a surrogate mother even after they had fed on milk, suggesting love is real.

[Anonymous No.19286761]

>>19286755
for yr own sake do not read up those experiments

[Anonymous No.19286766]

love exists cf. poetry

[Anonymous No.19286770]

>>19286755
Imagine needing to read a "study" to come to the conclusion that love is real.

[Anonymous No.19286803]

>>19286770
How else would you know?

[Anonymous No.19286833]

>>19286803
he's been in love

[Anonymous No.19286903]

>>19286732
Are you okay, anon?

[Anonymous No.19286923]

>>19286833
God I wish that was me.

[Anonymous No.19287012]

>>19286732
Yes but it's not what you think it is

[Anonymous No.19287051]

>>19286732
define love. protip you cant. same goes with friendships relationships and all those other ships which meaning are strongly subjective. Call all you will but each person truely loves himself only.

[Anonymous No.19287128]

>>19286732
If you think that the only love is found in romance novels, then this is a failure of imagination on your part, OP.

[Anonymous No.19287140]

>>19287051
robert graves defined love

Love is really a recognition of truth, a recognition of another person’s integrity and truth in a way that… makes both of you light up when you recognize the quality in the other. That’s what love is. It’s a recognition of singularity… And love is giving and giving and giving … not looking for any return. Until you do that, you can’t love.

[Anonymous No.19287198]

>>19287140
on some level you're always looking for a return with everything you do

[Anonymous No.19287199]

>>19287198
>Until you do that, you can’t love.

[Anonymous No.19287202]

The love between a man and a woman exists. Here are some of my main considerations about love:
1 - It resides in the lover's sense of incompleteness who knows that the whole of his beloved and himself is a being closer to God than his individuality alone.
2 - It is often confused with a strong attraction. Love is an ideal and spiritual object and must be differentiated from the inclinations of concupiscence, although both can coexist.
3 - Few people know love. As a spiritual object, it is above all the prerogative of individuals capable of contemplation, which is why poets and mystics speak of it especially well. Most people mistakenly or deceitfully call it love to find a companion for one reason or another.
4 - Love is one of the many elements of life on which the will has in part a performative character, with piety, friendship, memory, concentration among others. One of the corollaries of this idea is that the feeling of love can arise from the consideration of the possibility of love. This is also why one should declare one's love when one is sure of it, if the beloved is not in love a priori, she may become so later on.
5 - Love is a process. Like many elements on which the will has a performative character, love is a structurally complex object and a process that requires investment. This is why, in the same way as a friendship or intelligence, a love must be maintained or it will wither.
6 - Love at first sight does not exist or is extremely rare. A true love goes hand in hand with the long assimilation of the beloved's ethological structures. A relationship established too quickly will be all the more fragile as it rests on a narrower base.
7 - Human love is of the same nature as the love that man should dedicate to God, for although the object of love dedicated to God is incomparably greater, both are essentially concerned with completion and have as their vocation to make God agreeable. It is therefore essentially different from the love of charity.

[Anonymous No.19287216]

>>19286732
If you're either a sociopath or a psychopath, then love might not exist for you. If you are neither, then you're probably capable of platonic or romantic love.

[Anonymous No.19287237]

>>19286732
It's there after you realize it's fake

[Anonymous No.19287254]

>does love exist
at the very least on a chemical level, yes. however i think human beings are intelligent and advanced enough that it often takes on a much more meaningful form of attachment then simply the desire to procreate and raise a family.

i would never go out of my way to read a "romance novel" as such but i thought the love stories portrayed in books like the red and the black and brothers Karamazov were very compelling and believable. i personally think of my self as very driven by lust but i enjoy the other aspects of a romantic relationship as well

[Anonymous No.19287324]

>>19286761
why not?

[Anonymous No.19287475]

>>19287198
>>19287199
I don't believe you can transcend the self

[Anonymous No.19287519]

>>19287202
Wow, thanks for doing this, anon. You have a very distinctive view, was great to read. The most interesting and best post I've probably read in a while.

[Anonymous No.19287535]

>>19287475
it's a known fact of course you can

[Frater Asemlen !XS8vrClKs2 No.19287611]

Love exists and has a multitude of types, some higher and more virtuous and some others more blatantly materialistic. I agree with Hegel’s definition of love, which is, when I perceive something other than myself in my perception and I say “this thing is essential to me, part of me, one with me, I and this thing cannot be divided” or even “this thing which isn’t me is more essential to me than even I, than my life and identity” that is true love. However let us be clear, when people say love they often just mean Eros, which is to say, desire and sexual desire, which is like a flame, fast burning and does not truly influence your identity, this type of love is no different from obsession with any object whether that be shopping or some sort of drug addiction. It is not particularly lovely either, most relationships in the west derive from this and this is also I believe why the majority of marriages seem to fail in the west, because Eros is absolutely transient and quickly passing. Compare this to the much longer lasting and durable love between family and friends; two erotic lovers may cheat on each other or betray each other, it is impossible to imagine any father in his right mind who would harm his son, it is impossible to imagine any son in his right mind harming his father. In this same fashion; when you (such as in older western models of romance or in many middle eastern and eastern models of it) base the relationship on the principle of mutual service; reproduction and other such ideals, we notice the relationships are both longer lasting and happier (and this is empirically verifiable.) and this is because, in my opinion, these methods connect the identity of the couple on a daily level, to use Heideggerian terminology, the relationship is not something present-at-hand, constantly contemplated, considered, calculated and so forth, no rather they become ready-at-hand, constantly one and perpetually working towards the same ends, no different from a hand which knows how to use a hammer, so also do the two conform to each other in a natural spontaneous fashion due to the long periods of mutual service and mutual benefit. And all of the loves spoken of are a pale imitation of the love of God which is such that, God seeing men which is inessential to his nature yet because of his love for man, he sees his infinitude as requiring him to move his mercy, so that he becomes finite himself and as the Christ takes on the sin of man, for he sees this as the only logical option on account of the identification of love and the mercy of love, though we are inessential to his nature, his loving kindness, his mercy makes his relationship with us essential to who he is, and this is the glory of the true and highest love of Christ, and this is the true model that all love should be obedient to, which is a love which annihilates the self for the good of the other.

[Anonymous No.19288827]

>>19286732
love exists

[Anonymous No.19288840]

Love in fiction is a complex mix of reality and deeply ingrained tropes. If it didn't exist at all romance in fiction simply wouldn't work.

[Anonymous No.19288849]

>>19286732
It exists but you only get a couple shots at it and you'll usually have wasted those chances by the ripe age of 15

[Anonymous No.19288888]

>>19287202
A man after my own heart.

[Anonymous No.19288912]

>>19287202
>3 - Few people know love. As a spiritual object, it is above all the prerogative of individuals capable of contemplation, which is why poets and mystics speak of it especially well. Most people mistakenly or deceitfully call it love to find a companion for one reason or another.

I'd love for you to elaborate on this point

[Anonymous No.19288948]

>>19288849
Go away Houellebecq I don't want these feels today

[Anonymous No.19290291]

>>19286732
Love definitely exists. I love big tiddies.

[Anonymous No.19290616]

>>19290291
based

[Anonymous No.19290834]

>>19286732
Love exists, its just very rare.

[Anonymous No.19291128]

>>19286732
>asuka
>memeable
>rei
>one-face pony

[Anonymous No.19291328]

>>19287051
But I hate "myself".

[Anonymous No.19291333]

>>19286745
Proof?

[Anonymous No.19291364]

>>19286732
I have never been in love

[Anonymous No.19291394]

>>19286732
Women like romance novels because they like the idea of being "romanced." When that happens it's usually a man pursuing the woman and winning her over with gifts and gestures. For a woman, that's romantic. For a man that's just a lot of work. Who would want to read about that?

[Anonymous No.19291405]

>>19290834
it's beauty is it's abundance

[Anonymous No.19291410]

>>19287202
A, a fellow Catholic I see.

[Anonymous No.19291448]

>>19287324
Million laughs, or million pity

[Anonymous No.19291462]

>>19291328
But maybe you could love yourself

[Anonymous No.19291504]

>>19287202
>Love at first sight does not exist or is extremely rare.
I was going to dispute that, but then I realized that I retconned my memories to include love at first sight when in reality I only developed it over many months with someone.
I wonder how often people retcon their memories

[Anonymous No.19291518]

>>19291504
love only exists at first sight

[Anonymous No.19291529]

>>19291504
>>19291518
>“Whoever loved that loved not at first sight?“ - Marlowe

[Anonymous No.19291537]

>>19291518
>>19291529
I was definitely attracted to her at first sight, but as others have mentioned, there is more to it than just Eros

[Anonymous No.19291544]

>>19286732
Love exists but not for 3D.

[Anonymous No.19291601]

>>19286732
>What's love got to do with it?
>What's love, but a second-hand emotion?

[Anonymous No.19291611]

>>19287051
>“If i cherish you because I hold you dear, because in you my heart finds nourishment, my need satisfaction, then it is not done for the sake of a higher essence whose hallowed body you are, not on account of my beholding in you a ghost, an appearing spirit, but from egoistic pleasure; you yourself with *your* essence are valuable to me.”

[Anonymous No.19291621]

>>19286732
>women
>real
heh

[Anonymous No.19291722]

>>19291448
Dear God...

[Anonymous No.19291843]

>>19291722

[Anonymous No.19292072]

>>19291544
Fucking degenerate, doesn’t he know Misato is the patrician choice?

[Anonymous No.19292097]

>>19286732
love is real
Love is not real, or at least I've never seen anything pointing towards its existence
big difference between the two

[Anonymous No.19292131]

>>19286732
Love is mediated by a number of hormones being the most oxytocin the most influential. So yes, love is real, is chemical, you wouldn’t negate the pleasure of taking heroin . It appeared way back before the human race as a mechanism that created bonds between mothers and offspring, and later it evolve into romantic and other kinds of love in humans and another animals where social bond were necessary.

[Anonymous No.19292160]

>>19292131

[Anonymous No.19292162]

>>19292131
And THAT shallowness of understanding is why you're a neckbeard living in your mom's basement.

[Anonymous No.19292245]

>>19292160
>>19292162
What exactly was wrong with that faggots? OP asked if love it’s real. Acknowledge that love is chemical doesn’t invalidate it or say nothing about how it feels

[Anonymous No.19292252]

>>19292245
lame answer. this is a literature board we appreciate the arts

[Anonymous No.19292396]

>>19291504
>I wonder how often people retcon their memories

A lot. People will retcon memories to protect their ego.

[Anonymous No.19292524]

>>19287051
willing the good of the other, simple, thansk aquinas, and depending on the type of relationship it will entail different criteria of intimacy, for example family/friend vs married partner

[Anonymous No.19292525]

>>19291333
Proof is that there is no action that you do that is made for someone else and not for your own interest. When you think you're helping someone, you're only doing it because you gain a good feeling of having helped someone instead of the bad feeling of not doing it. When you love something or someone it's just because that thing or person makes you feel good. If destroying that thing made you feel good, you'd do just that

[Anonymous No.19292670]

All the empiricist approach is for pseuds as logical positivism had its heyday a long time ago now and talk about brain chemistry is on the same plane as those who talk of a dopamine fast.. i.e. stupid. Love is made, not found because even found love cannot be if it isn't made. Don't go searching for love but try to build it where you are because you won't be able to love even in same fairytale situation otherwise.

[Anonymous No.19292733]

>>19288912
If we accept that love resides fundamentally in the recognition of the completeness that the loved one brings to us, we must consider how much the awareness of our incompleteness is the result of a conscious or unconscious work of spiritual introspection, generally associated with an intellectual and emotional reflection on our situation. All philosophers have said that it is the relationship with otherness that allows us to know ourselves better, and this is all the more true in the case of love where the lover knows himself all the better as he studies himself in relation to the considerations he has formed about the object of his love.
I was certainly exaggerating when I said that few people know love, but the truth is that men being unequally endowed in all domains, some being more apt to observe and apprehend behaviors, more skilful in scrutinizing the reliefs of their souls and more gifted in maintaining their aptitudes, they will have a love as deeper and truer than the bland loves of those who possess these qualities to a much lesser extent. By a cultural tradition, we call today all couple relationships the fruit of love to give a high principle to an alliance which is often only an arrangement, a cohabitation or the product of interest or lust.

[Anonymous No.19292751]

>>19286732
Your parents loved you once, anon.

[Anonymous No.19292795]

Of COURSE people do things because they want to or desire to do them. A person jumps on a hand grenade to save their comrades because they want to and they see that it is good. In some trivial sense they did it “for themselves” because they wanted to do good and are satisfying a desire. It’s stupid to say this because the actual operative difference between selfish and selfish acts is not whether it satisfies a desire or intent but the OBJECT of the intent. If your desire leads you to treat others as ends in themselves, it is not selfish or egoistic in any sense except the trivial.

[Anonymous No.19293082]

>>19286732
Romantic love? That's a meme.

[Anonymous No.19293225]

>>19293082
romantic love is cringe and the thing retards are talking about when they say that love is simply a result of chemicals

[Anonymous No.19293268]

>>19291518
its odd that of the few times I've had the experience of love at first sight the person has been a 'unlikely' match. if the cause is not otherworldly its certainly an amazing display of the unconscious world's precise attunement to who would make a good partner. who knows the bank of hidden knowledge that can be derived from someone stance or expressions. it is bizarre.

[Anonymous No.19293461]

>>19293225
>>19292131
>>19292245
Hahaha these idiots who call love the result of chemical interactions! It is obvious that love is explained by physico-chemical processes with a purely biological purpose. What, the details of this process? Uh no I don't know it but it's necessary because everything is material anyway. And then obviously these processes are products of evolution and aim at the reproduction of the species, I know it, I read it in Dawkins. You are very naive, you who believe in the soul and in all these superstitions! All the epistemological razors make us believe that it is simpler to suppose that by an unknown mechanism, but that science cannot fail to discover sooner or later (it is obligatory because it is necessarily material), we are going to know the functioning of love, of the conscience, of the reason, of the intuition and of all those things that the naïve believe simpler to attribute to the existence of the unique and spiritual principle of the soul!

[Anonymous No.19293487]

>>19291448
What's being tested here?

[Anonymous No.19293492]

>>19293225
>love is simply a result of chemicals
So is cocaine, and that's pretty great, so maybe suck a fat dick faggot

[Anonymous No.19293520]

>>19293492
big up but also there should be more novels abt doing gear

[Anonymous No.19294243]

>>19293487
Scaring a baby monkey, to see where he's going to cry and cling to

[Anonymous No.19294335]

>>19292525
Explain martyrs.

[Anonymous No.19294404]

>>19287202
Yeah, that's essentially my experience with love.

[Anonymous No.19294432]

>>19287051
It is to extend your sense of self unto others, attaining such a level of empathy that their happiness are pain are your own, and to take care of them is to take care of yourself, even to the point to which you are willing to sacrifice your real self for your "other" self, be it giving up on your aspirations, your comfort or even your own life.

[Anonymous No.19294744]

>>19293268
Same exact situation with me. Physically their appearance was nothing I'd have gone for before, and I still knew little of their personality at the time, yet something really "ticked" in the brain

[Anonymous No.19294749]

>>19286732
love exists but it's very rare to find genuine love.

[Anonymous No.19294761]

>>19293487
Scary machine terrorizes the baby monkey so he runs to the "mother" (just a cloth rag with a fake face) for safety.
The baby monkeys were taken away from their real mothers and essentially taught that these cloth contraptions were their mothers. He was testing many things, among them was whether the babies would only become attached to a the "milk source" aspect of a mother or if they cared about things like softness and comfort. The experiment indicates that the monkeys chose the "soft" cloth mothers, which means there is more to a child's attachment to their mother than just pure desire for food.

[Anonymous No.19294774]

>>19294243
>>19294761
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.19294815]

>>19293487
They feed him from the robot monkey on the left. The test is to scare him and see which monkey he clings to, the soft monkey or the robot monkey. He chooses the soft monkey over the robot monkey. This proves that monkeys don't only like resources but also soft monkeys.

[Anonymous No.19295784]

love is real but it's selfish and either out of biological imperatives or need/wish fulfilment. communication between people is impossible.

[Anonymous No.19295899]

>>19295784
Love is the opposite of capitalism, it wants to be shared with everyone instead of being hoarded by the few.

[Anonymous No.19295923]

>>19291448
:(

[Anonymous No.19295984]

>>19287128
It literally is grow up

[Anonymous No.19296011]

>>19286732
My love for Asuka exists

[Anonymous No.19296019]

>>19287051
>at a metaphysical level these concepts are subjective
>therefore they don't exist and everyone is a complete egoist
hate this board

[Anonymous No.19296051]

Love is an extension of the ego, seeing yourself among others or the world around you, and wanting those things to suffer, grow, experience as you do. It provides new and significant oppurtunities for your self-actualization to be challenged and therefore allows for greater reward by overcoming.

[Anonymous No.19296075]

>>19292131
someone post the mickey mouse

[Anonymous No.19296083]

No

[Anonymous No.19296291]

>>19286732
Ever notice how she and Shinji have the same face?

That’s because they have the same dad.

[Anonymous No.19296570]

>>19296011
>My love for Asuka exists

[Anonymous No.19296593]

>>19296570
I agree Rei/asuka is best pairing. Even better than Yui/Giant-Robot-Yui.

[Anonymous No.19296688]

>>19296593
>>>19296570 (You)
>Even better than Yui/Giant-Robot-Yui.

[Anonymous No.19297084]

>>19296688
I mean, who wouldn’t cause instrumentality for that face?

[Anonymous No.19297102]

>>19287611
Good post

[Anonymous No.19297141]

>>19287535
broooooo we're special! Unique, I would say.

[Anonymous No.19297161]

>>19297141
good one

[Anonymous No.19297246]

>>19297141
orson welles said that

[Anonymous No.19297277]

>>19287202
meds

[Anonymous No.19297472]

>>19286732
>>19286745
>>19287051

Love is when you recognize your essence in another person. Shit gets mirrored back and forth between both parties, amplifying it. Your self-interest expands into the other person, BECAUSE YOU SHARE THE SAME ESSENCE.

What did you guys read to come to your cold and calculated conclusions? I would love to know.

>>19287198
>on some level you're always looking for a return with everything you do
Is a mother only caring for her baby or young child because she is hoping to get something out of caring for it?

>>19287140
This guy gets it.

[Anonymous No.19297527]

>>19297472
>What did you guys read to come to your cold and calculated conclusions? I would love to know.
I didn't, they're my own. I've never been in love and if love did exist then world around us wouldn't make any sense. There's too much cheating, callousness and hatred for love to be real. People just tell each other about love because they're indoctrinated to it by the media around them. If your GF told you she loves you then it be pretty awkward to rebuke her but to her it's a tool of power in case you love her

[Anonymous No.19297545]

>>19287202
>Love is an ideal and spiritual object
Ultimately yes. That is why there is such a thing as platonic love, and familial love, why you can love your pets and such.

The stereotype symbol for a heart, of course looks nothing like a heart. It is two Fibonacci spirals mirroring each other. This alludes to the purer and more abstract nature of it.

[Anonymous No.19297550]

>>19297527
Hm yeah I get where you're coming from. But I would say the world be a million times WORSE if love teuly didnt exist. Did you ever have a pet, like a cat or a dog that you spent years with?

[Anonymous No.19297562]

>>19297550
Oh I was talking about romantic love

[Anonymous No.19297569]

>>19297527
ADVICE TO LOVERS

Love is not kindly nor yet grim
But does to you as you to him.

Whistle, and Love will come to you:
Hiss, and he fades without a word:
Do wrong, and he great wrong will do:
Speak, and he tells what he has heard.

Then all you lovers take good heed,
Vex not young Love in thought or deed:
Love never leaves an unpaid debt,
He will not pardon, nor forget.

[Anonymous No.19298107]

>>19297527
Love exists, you're just disillusioned because most people are animals and your parents probably got a divorce. The union of marriage at its core is about putting the other and the love and family you will create together above yourself, I don't think most people know themselves well enough to do that.

[Anonymous No.19298129]

>>19286755
>experiments on rhesus monkeys.
>let's see how these caged beaten monkeys behave
>this is an accurate representation of real world

[Anonymous No.19298175]

>>19298129
They weren’t beaten, they were simply isolated from their mothers and peers. The fact that they developed psychological problems despite having their physiological needs met indicates that social animals need other things to function properly. Namely affection aka love.

[Anonymous No.19298695]

Why are you shitting up a thread about a fourty year old incest anime with trite bourgeois romantic love? Post quality content like how every child in the series has Gendou as its father except Shinji who is Gendou.

[Anonymous No.19298914]

psychological egoism contradicts the notion of selfless love. we don't love anyone we love how they make us feel. all this romantic nonsense is a byproduct of it.

t. have been in both teenage and adult love

[Anonymous No.19299181]

>>19287611
How would you classify Werther? Erotic or this higher type?

[Anonymous No.19299887]

>>19286732
Men read romance novels? I'm serious. Any place to start?

[Anonymous No.19300057]

>>19298914
Holy cringe

[Anonymous No.19300211]

Do women really buy that much romance?

All it takes for my novel is to switch the POV to my female protag and accentuate the relationship development between her and the male protag, if that's what it means to make an easy buck.

[Anonymous No.19300304]

>>19286755
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsA5Sec6dAI
yes, attachment theory is well established

[Anonymous No.19300332]

>>19286761
in terms of experiments done on macaques and rhesus monkeys Harlow's are incredibly tame. At least he's not unilaterally paralyzing them by severing their spinal cords then letting the chimps chew off their nonfunctional limbs without tending to the wounds

[Anonymous No.19300340]

>>19296019
exactly

[Anonymous No.19300356]

>>19287202
based, you would be a fantastic lover anon.

[Anonymous No.19300362]

>>19286732
Love exists, but within democracies it becomes oriented towards fantasy.

[Anonymous No.19300380]

>>19300332
i don't need to be au fait with all the horrid experiments done on rhesus monkeys cheers

[Anonymous No.19300415]

>>19287611
infatuation vs love. I've always found that in long-term romantic relationships the love feels almost familial. No longer an obsession but a mutual agreement that you are of value to one another and can depend on each other, without having to say a word. There's no rush, just security and comfort. There's also an implicit agreement to tolerate each other, like one would with their own blood.

[Anonymous No.19300466]

>>19291544

[Anonymous No.19300475]

>>19296075
>>19292131
obviously bait

[Anonymous No.19301237]

>>19300466
this is indeed a drear

[Anonymous No.19301527]

[Anonymous No.19301567]

Man, why is Asuka so appealing.

[Anonymous No.19302028]

>>19301567
You want to fix her.

[Anonymous No.19303230]

>>19301527
Source? Asking for an illiterate friend.

[Frater Asemlen !XS8vrClKs2 No.19303321]

>>19299181
Erotic and mentally damaged, in a word sinful. It is rooted in emptiness and trying to fill your emptiness with an other and that being fundamentally impossible. It does not have the inherent actual integrity of genuine love, but rather, the menta nuisance and constant pangs of the lower obsessions not much different, again, to drugs. The reason the “incel” type gets so easily into it is because it approaches fulfillment of the emptiness of the individual through the same way, obsession with a material object as a source of pleasure/satisfaction and nothing more. This is no different from running after opium or some other drug. Neither morally nor practically superior to this material obsession. If you want to see a greater diversity of the types of love, check out Goethe’s Wilhelm Meister.

[Anonymous No.19303347]

>>19303321
I think comparing Werther with "incel" types would be a bit unfair to the former, but I get what you mean. I have actually read Wilhelm Meister (great book). Would you say Wilhelm's love towards Mariane or Natalie is any different?

[Anonymous No.19303369]

Love exists, but it's not instant. People have confused love and lust. Love comes from long, emotional connections.

[Frater Asemlen !XS8vrClKs2 No.19303400]

>>19303347
While the Natalie love is in my opinion the more proper love, the truest love in the book is between Wilhelm and mignon and by extension, Wilhelm and his son. The Marianne relationship is clearly one marked by childhood and youth, and imo, she was an extension of the theater after a manner. Thoughts of her fade the moment he dives deeper into work and travel. All in all Wilhelm is a weak man cast about in the wind but is superior to werther on account of good influences in his life, the education and societal benefit motif so common is what makes him a fundamentally superior human.

[Anonymous No.19303523]

>>19303400
I think that, when comparing romantic love with the familial love, you might be dismissing all romantic love too harshly as merely erotic. While in most cases that's indeed the case, I think something needs to be said about the "mad love" that Plato describes which helps the soul in its ascent. In his own words (Phaedrus), "the madness of a man who, on seeing beauty here on earth, and being reminded of true beauty, becomes winged, and fluttering with eagerness to fly upwards, but unable to leave the ground, looks upwards like a bird, and takes no heed of things below—and that is what causes him to be regarded as mad." This strikes more as what happened to Werther, but I might be projecting myself here. At any rate, the point is that this kind of love does not merely wish for sexual intimacy (it might even want to avoid it), but it is infinitely more intense and burning compared to erotic love. In Wihelm's case, you might remember that Wilhelm was fantasying for a long time about his "beautiful amazon" on horseback long before he even got to know her.

[Anonymous No.19303877]

>>19301527
Beautiful.

[Anonymous No.19303925]

>>19286755

Are you a monkey?

[Anonymous No.19303952]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MHhLDCJ57E

[Anonymous No.19304095]

If love truly exists, sex isn't involved with it.

[Anonymous No.19304155]

>>19301527
>hahaha look guys I can talk about my sexual desires in a detailed way xD
Not funny, just tragic.

[Anonymous No.19304342]

>>19303230
If you mean the book then it's the Coronameron:
>lulu.com/en/gb/shop/anonymous-/coronameron/paperback/product-vmdmmn.html
If you mean the image then:
>gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=5002172

[Anonymous No.19304359]

>>19297527
>what did you read to come to that conclusion
>I didn't
Good old /lit/
also kys and go read a book, asukafag

[Anonymous No.19304371]

>>19287051
>In his extreme youth Stoner had thought of love as an absolute state of being to which, if one were lucky, one might find access; in his maturity he had decided it was the heaven of a false religion, toward which one ought to gaze with an amused disbelief, a gently familiar contempt, and an embarrassed nostalgia. Now in his middle age he began to know that it was neither a state of grace nor an illusion; he saw it as a human act of becoming, a condition that was invented and modified moment by moment and day by day, by the will and the intelligence and the heart
>In his forty-third year William Stoner learned what others, much younger, had learned before him: that the person one loves at first is not the person one loves at last, and that love is not an end but a process through which one person attempts to know another.”

[Anonymous No.19304534]

>>19294335
For them, death is better than living with regret

[Anonymous No.19304703]

>>19304534
Superficial take.

[Anonymous No.19304738]

>>19286745
>how to say a lot while saying nothing

[Anonymous No.19304778]

>>19304359
The truly educated man knows Asuka is the divine Eros herself. Turbulent, quickly changing temperament, red as fire.

[Anonymous No.19305201]

>>19304778
Are you forgetting the purple haired milf?

[Anonymous No.19305227]

>tfw no asuka dominatrix

[Anonymous No.19305353]

>>19294815
>>19294761

[Anonymous No.19305449]

>>19305201
She's just a whore.

[Anonymous No.19305699]

>>19304778
The truly educated man is one that reads
Asukafag does not

[Anonymous No.19305746]

>>19305699
You don't have to read to understand the nature of the so called "love".

[Anonymous No.19305801]

>>19305746
Then refute to the definitions of love that have been posted
Or go back to /v/

[Anonymous No.19305818]

>>19305801
Which are often contradictory so why don't you go ahead and post yours?

[Anonymous No.19305833]

>>19305818
Already did. Go refute it, I won’t tell you which it is
>often contradictory
You can’t be so retarded as to ask a question to a group, then refuse to engage discussion when different people give different answers

[Anonymous No.19306499]

love is real. it is the most fundamental of forces. it is a flame that must be tended. be cautious applying rationality to matters of the soul.
i mostly live on hatred these days.

[Anonymous No.19306579]

>>19287202
1 - Love is a condition in which another persons happiness becomes essential to your own.

[Anonymous No.19307366]

>>19305699
I read the Symposium to come to my conclusion.

[Anonymous No.19307510]

>>19287202
I don't get it

[Anonymous No.19308912]

>>19307510
What don't you get

[Anonymous No.19308931]

The only true love is between a man and his waifu.

[Anonymous No.19309133]

>>19308912
Love

[Anonymous No.19309162]

>>19287475
You can, and it's shit. Regarding love, it is not transcendance beyond self, but an absolute surrendering, which can be incredibly beneficial or detrimental.

[Anonymous No.19309214]

>>19292795
>If your desire leads you to treat others as ends in themselves, it is not selfish or egoistic in any sense except the trivial.
That contradicts your previous sentence. If you do not see this, I pity you.

[Anonymous No.19309220]

>>19305746
>You don't have to read
What board are you on?

[Anonymous No.19309236]

>>19286732
start with the greeks
read the symposium by plato

[Anonymous No.19309262]

>>19293487
if human beings are evil

[Anonymous No.19309268]

>>19303925
We all are

[Anonymous No.19309776]

>>19309133
:(