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Philosophically speaking, what's the answer to this problem?

>> No.19125363

Depends how many people you wanna kill ig

>> No.19125640

it depends.
Are any of them Communists?

>> No.19125646
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>> No.19125652

>>19125343
A decision made under duress is invalid therefore its not my fault. I'll choose whichever option kills the most people

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>>19125343
https://youtube.com/watch?v=e_eX-aPNcuk
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iY95Rik6rrw

>> No.19125675

>>19125343
why do pseud retards add a bunch of nonsense to a very basic "problem"

>> No.19125690

>>19125343
Pull the lever to switch to track two. It doesn't make logical sense, since the boxes are all set already and your decision can't change that, but within the predictors terms it best to act as if you can retroactively cause the box to be empty or full.

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Pull the lever. Then take a big hit of salvia and manifest my waifu to pull the lever back to one.

>> No.19125747

I refuse to engage in thought experiments that would never happen, and are also geared to set you up for failure from the start.

>“OKAY, GUN TO YOUR HEAD, WOULD YOU FUCK YOUR MOM OR YOUR DAD?”

It’s in bad faith and doesn’t seek to solve a problem but rather pervert your self-esteem and make you take on guilt for things that do not exist and never will.

I REFUSE YOUR GAME.

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>>19125646

>> No.19125765

>>19125343
two-box, it's the only answer

>> No.19126019

>>19125343
not my problem

>> No.19126028

>>19125757
lol how did you make this?

>> No.19126034

>>19125343
There is no cure for autism I’m afraid

>> No.19126050

Newcomb? Bitch you need a New Job

>> No.19127456

>>19125675
Because they don't grasp the actual problem

>> No.19127465

The solution to every trolley problem is always multitrack drifting.

>> No.19127470

If the Predictor has already made the decision and moved on, there is nothing I can do to influence the content of the opaque box. Therefore, I choose track II and avoid taking the life that I absolutely certainly know that I can save.

>> No.19127503

Opaque box looks sturdier than the glass so the trolley could probably just knock it off the track without killing anyone inside

>> No.19127509

>>19127470
Fucking idiot. That's not how the world works. The world is already predetermined, and yet you can make decisions.

The lowest IQ bullshit is not understanding determinism and instead seeing it through a fatalistic lens

>> No.19127619

>>19127509
Riddle me this retard, how are decisions just not mere illusions if the entire world is predetermined? God I wish compatibilists could just exercise their loosely defined free will and die

>> No.19127640

>>19125653
>pic related
imagine all the sissy hypno

>> No.19127722
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>>19125343
Find the Predictor and kick his ass, then after a connecting blow to his jaw declare while wearing sunglasses
>BET YOU DIDN'T SEE *THAT* COMING!
At which point the jokes on me because after spitting out blood the Predictor wryly smiles at me and says
>"oh-ho-ho but I did..."
And he leaps up seemingly unharmed by my pummeling and gives me his hand to shake
>You passed the REAL test my lad, there never was anyone in the cube at all, I hope you enjoyed my little ruse
mfw I realized I was out predicted by the Predictor

>> No.19127775

as always the moral point of view is that of bystander. only faggotass liberal propaganda will convince you you're guilty by standing around doing nothing to engage at all because of various quips like 'we live in a society' and 'it's not enough to not be racist you need to be anti racist' etc etc

>> No.19127888

>>19125343
>this is an actually studied and analysed problem in mathematics
BUT WHAT IF THERE'S A GIANT A.I. ROBOT TROLLEY AND IT CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE BUT ONLY IF YOU PULL THE LEVER BUT IT ALREADY KNOWS YOU WON'T PULL THE OPAQUE LEVER UNLESS THERE ARE 5 PEOPLE INSIDE THE BOX BUT NOT THE CLEAR BOX THE OPAQUE BOX WHICH THE A.I. PUT THERE ITSELF, BUT ONLY IF YOU GO BACK IN TIME AND PULL THE CLEAR LEVER TWICE THEN STICK IT IN YOUR ASS, IF NOT YOU END UP IN THE OPAQUE BOX WITH THE TROLLEY IN THE CLEAR BOX KILLING 6 MILLION PEOPLE, OF COURSE THE A.I. KNEW ABOUT ALL OF THIS BEFORE YOU EVEN DECIDED TO THINK ABOUT PULLING THE LEVER
DO YOU PULL LE LEVER?

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>OMG A CONVOLUTED ETHICAL DILEMMA
>IF I CAN FIGURE OUT THE ANSWER I WILL BE SUCH A GOOD PERSON

>> No.19127956

>>19125343
Detain the person posing the criminal problem and extract the answer under 'duress'.

>> No.19128011

>>19125343
Don’t pull the lever, the predictor/mastermind is at fault for the murders not you.

>> No.19128020

>>19128011
This.

>> No.19128021

>>19125653
> Dude life is about adventure haha

I assume a literal child made this?

>> No.19128163

>>19125343
>there is a man tied in a transparent box
>if the Predictor thinks that you will switch to 2 he will leave the box empty
>the Predictor is never wrong
Meaning he predicted that I will let the track go in the black box? So this is just a test to see if I think the Predictor is actually never wrong rather than seeing if I care about human life?

>> No.19128175

>>19128021
>dude life is all about being a sanctimonious self-deluded pseud on anime websites haha

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>>19126028
Superimpose X. An iOS app. It’s an amazing tool for memesmithing. It’s a photoshop type app

>> No.19128546

>>19125343
The hard things about this trolley paradox, is that i want to kill those five people so bad. And i get nothing out of it

>> No.19128597

>>19128163
It’s not a test of anything, the Predictor is just a psychopath who wants people killed.

>> No.19128650

>>19125343
I have no causal influence over the contents of the opaque box, so my only choice is whether or not to kill the man in the clear box. No matter the contents of the box, switching to track too always kills one extra person, so I leave it on track one. Since I cannot influence the contents of the black box nor avoid hitting it I am not morally culpable for the fate of any people inside.

>> No.19128748

>>19125343
the fact that people take these kinds of 'though experiments' seriously is pathetic
its as intellectually worthwhile as 'would you rather save a goblin or a minotaur?' all though that would be far more interesting

>> No.19128842

There is no moral solution. Morality is a spook. Do what you want to do.

>> No.19128920

>>19125343
how is this any different than the original trolley problem

>> No.19129626

>>19125343
I think this problem would be harder if the trolley was originally heading down track 2 so inqction would kill the guy in the glass box.

>> No.19129657

>>19125343
it might be morally bankrupt but if you follow the principal of the integral good and value ethics then every single scenario is easily answered
and ironically their might be more utility in that then the utilitarian position

>> No.19129680

>>19125343
I would indecisively flip the level back and forth until time constraints force a decision which my current contemplative state can't fathom.

>> No.19129740

I intend to kill the glass box guy, but I wasn't paying attention to the explanation and accidentally divert it to the opaque box. My incompetence saves everyone and we have a parade in my honor.

>> No.19129765

>>19129740
alternatively, I mean to flip the switch but never quite get around to it.

>> No.19130924

can someone make a trolley using the sleeping beauty problem please?

>> No.19130979

>>19125343
Utilitarianism cannot provide an answer here because which ever option you pick will result in more people dying.
Kantian ethics cannot provide an answer here because this scenario inherently violates the categorical imperative
However, to quote Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Nietzsche says "I love him who makes a predilection and a fate of his virtue: thus for his virtues sake he will live or not live.
Therefore the only acceptable solution is to kill yourself to stop this scenario or, kill the Predictor.

>> No.19132181

>>19125343
European or African swallow?