/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18718481]

Fucking brutal

[Anonymous No.18718489]

>>18718481
Job deserved it. Nobody likes a goody two shoes

[Anonymous No.18718495]

Why is the New Testament so childish compared to the OT

[Anonymous No.18718499]

>>18718495
Because truth is for children

[Anonymous No.18718500]

For me? It's Ecclesiastes

2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

3 What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?

4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.

7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

8 All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.

9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

[Anonymous No.18718503]

>>18718495
Christians are simple-minded a cucked

[Anonymous No.18718529]

>>18718503
that's good.

[Anonymous No.18718627]

>>18718495
>>18718499
>>18718503
Heretic plebs, all of you

[Anonymous No.18719264]

>>18718495
Because Jesus was a pedophile and sought to spread his degenerate mental illness through the church.

[Anonymous No.18719404]

>>18718495
Love is stronger than Fear and won many more adherents

[Anonymous No.18719492]

>>18718481
Job is a story about the triumph of divine love and grace. Job submitted himself to God's grace and overcame every trial.

[Anonymous No.18719506]

>>18718495
And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

[Anonymous No.18719507]

>>18719492
Stockholm syndrome

[Anonymous No.18719524]

Job and Ecclesiastes are the most entry-level books of the Bible. The Psalms and the Epistles are exit-level.

[Anonymous No.18719526]

>>18719507
Lol do you get mad at gravity?

[Anonymous No.18719534]

>>18719524
How are psalms exit level everyone reads that stuff

[Anonymous No.18719540]

>>18719524
>unless the Lord builds the house, the workers labor in vain
>unless the Lord watches the city, the watchmen stay awake in vain

Holy based, how is the essence of faith so perfectly captured in those two verses

[Anonymous No.18719548]

>>18719534
Some of them are really really exit level, try reading them straight through

[Anonymous No.18719581]

>>18719548
Post an exit level one pls

[Anonymous No.18719589]

>>18719534
I read Augustine's commentaries on the Psalms and realised I had been completely filtered. Aquinas' commentaries of Paul's Epistles are also great.

[Anonymous No.18719611]

>>18719524
>the two most sophisticated books of the Bible are the most entry-level
lawl, Job's language is so dense and virtuosic that there's still philological debate over many of the passages

[Anonymous No.18719644]

Did Job's first wife and children get a free ticket to Heaven since they died as part of God's "lesson?" If not that's kind of fucked, OT God was a dick

[Anonymous No.18719646]

>>18719611
It's a book that's meant to convey a very simple and basic idea. Who cares about the language and what retards want to extrapolate from it. The different layers of what's expressed in every one of the Psalms is on another level completely.

[Anonymous No.18719660]

>>18719644
>these are the people telling you that Job is a deep and complex book
pathetic

[Anonymous No.18719844]

>>18719644
>Did Job's first wife and children get a free ticket to Heaven since they died as part of God's "lesson?"
Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.18719892]

>>18719660
>>18719844
I've never read it and I haven't posted in this thread before, I was asking a simple question based off of my quick read over the synopsis.
Now cope, seethe, suck my cock, kill yourselves, and then suck my cock again. Faggots.

[Anonymous No.18719951]

>>18719646
>Who cares about the language
/lit/ - Literature everyone

[Anonymous No.18720021]

>>18718481
>Fucking brutal

Guess that's why they call it a job, huh? Heh heh

[Anonymous No.18720022]

>>18719844
Well did they? Their life was suddenly cut short so God could win his bet with the Adversary, seems like God might at least not also send them to hell.

[Anonymous No.18720306]

>>18719581
Psalm 82
103
104
110

I would copy paste them but all the ones I can find on the net have footnote links that fuck with the text

[Anonymous No.18720356]

>>18720306
Got you bro here is 82:

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

And 103:

Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.
2 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:
3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;
4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;
5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.
6 The Lord executeth righteousness and judgment for all that are oppressed.
7 He made known his ways unto Moses, his acts unto the children of Israel.
8 The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.
9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.
10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the Lord pitieth them that fear him.
14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.
15 As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth.
16 For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.
17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.
19 The Lord hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all.
20 Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.
21 Bless ye the Lord, all ye his hosts; ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure.
22 Bless the Lord, all his works in all places of his dominion: bless the Lord, O my soul.


What do you make of them?

[Anonymous No.18720940]

>>18719264
>through the church.
Which Church? because the only Church Jesus created was the one founded by a rock, and the rock was Jesus.
Unless you mean the corrupt pharisees that rejected The Messiah, The Word of God and were punished with the destruction of the Second Temple making any sacrifice impossible

[Anonymous No.18721093]

>>18720940
>the only Church Jesus created was the one founded by a rock, and the rock was Jesus.
"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Petrus, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
>Strong's G4074: Petros: "a stone" or "a boulder, a Greek name meaning rock.
"And I say also unto thee, That [I hereby rename you] Rock, and upon this Rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

[Anonymous No.18721165]

>>18718489
this is why your mother is ashame of you and your father hates you.

[Anonymous No.18721172]

>>18718489
Calm down Stephen King

[Anonymous No.18721176]

>>18719264
Kys nigger, Jesus was literally celibate his entire life.

[Anonymous No.18721184]

>>18718481
>Oy vey, never question your masters even if they kill your family and take your home from you

[Anonymous No.18721229]

>>18721093
>"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Petrus, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
Read Corinthians. The rock was Jesus and the rock is to recognize Jesus are the True Son of God, The Messiah and God

[Anonymous No.18721230]

>>18719646
>Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers
what in your opinion is being expressed here that can't be taken at face value?

[Anonymous No.18721238]

>>18721093
And if you are too lazy to search Corinthians 10:4
For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

[Anonymous No.18721496]

>>18721229
>>18721238
So are you saying that scripture contradicts itself, because Jesus calls renamed Simon to "Rock", and says that upon that Rock He will build His church, and also calls Jesus the rock?
Have you considered that the temple of Jerusalem was built upon the Foundation Stone, while there was also a literal cornerstone (Ephesians 2:19-22) by which the Temple was built, and without which there could be no temple? Can you conceive of there being two rocks upon which church is built, one superior to the other?

[Anonymous No.18721536]

Job 42: The Answer to Life the Universe and Everything. "I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee."

[Anonymous No.18721562]

>>18719540
Based crypto occasionalism.

[Anonymous No.18721700]

>>18721496
You are missing the point and I'm not saying there's a contradiction. On the contrary, Jesus being the rock is what Peter recognized and that's why Jesus gave him the honor to be called Peter, not petra: the large rock or rock mass, but petros: a smallish rock or sometimes pebble.
The Temple of Jerusalem is gone and now the only Church is not accept Christ as The Messiah and the Son of God.

[Anonymous No.18721707]

>>18721496
You are missing the point and I'm not saying there's a contradiction. On the contrary, Jesus being the rock is what Peter recognized and that's why Jesus gave him the honor to be called Peter, not petra: the large rock or rock mass, but petros: a smallish rock or sometimes pebble.
The Temple of Jerusalem is gone and now the only Church is to accept Christ as The Messiah and the Son of God.

[Anonymous No.18721769]

>>18721707
>that's why Jesus gave him the honor to be called Peter, not petra
Robert Young, a Protestant, translates the verse as such:
"'And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;"

Further, obviously Jesus was speaking in Aramaic, not Greek. In Aramaic, there is no distinction between the genders of the word "kephas", so Jesus would have said:
"Jesus is speaking Aramaic. It would have said, you are kephas, and on this kephas I will build my church."

There is no change in the words, it’s exactly the same word.

>but petros: a smallish rock or sometimes pebble.
Can you point to a single usage of the word petros to refer to a "smallish rock or sometimes pebble"?

>now the only Church is to accept Christ as The Messiah and the Son of God.
That is not what any of the earliest Christians believed, and is completely foreign to the ancient faith - it only popped up 1500+ years after Jesus was crucified, from some random Western and Northern Europeans.

[Anonymous No.18721775]

>>18721707
>>18721707
>that's why Jesus gave him the honor to be called Peter, not petra
Robert Young, a Protestant, translates the verse as such:
"'And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;"

Further, obviously Jesus was speaking in Aramaic, not Greek. In Aramaic, there is no distinction between the genders of the word "kephas", so Jesus would have said:
>"You are kephas, and on this kephas I will build my church."
There is no change in the words, it’s exactly the same word.

>but petros: a smallish rock or sometimes pebble.
Can you point to a single usage of the word petros to refer to a "smallish rock or sometimes pebble"?

>now the only Church is to accept Christ as The Messiah and the Son of God.
That is not what any of the earliest Christians believed, and is completely foreign to the ancient faith - it only popped up 1500+ years after Jesus was crucified, from some random Western and Northern Europeans.

[Anonymous No.18721794]

>Job asks God why He saw fit to ruin his life, refuses to punish the wicked as they live, among four-five other really hardball questions
>God appears as a talking tornado and deflects every question before saying "I'm divine and shieet do what I tell you"
Woah real intellectual heavyweight that God fellow. If a bunch of ants ask me why I sprayed antkiller everywhere I guess I'll just tell them that they can't comprehend my infinite wisdom before pissing into their nest

[Anonymous No.18721814]

>>18721775
>Robert Young, a Protestant, translates the verse as such:
And the greek text is clear Jesus is making a difference when he is talking about Petra and Petros.
https://biblehub.com/greek/4074.htm
Pétros (a masculine noun) – properly, a stone (pebble), such as a small rock found along a pathway. 4074 /Pétros ("small stone") then stands in contrast to 4073 /pétra ("cliff, boulder," Abbott-Smith).
"4074 (Pétros) is an isolated rock and 4073 (pétra) is a cliff" (TDNT, 3, 100). "4074 (Pétros) always means a stone . . . such as a man may throw, . . . versus 4073 (pétra), a projecting rock, cliff" (S. Zodhiates, Dict).
>4073 pétra (a feminine noun) – "a mass of connected rock," which is distinct from 4074 (Pétros) which is "a detached stone or boulder" (A-S)
You are making also a pretty dangerous claim by implying you know better than the apostles with their texts what Jesus meant by saying the rock.
>That is not what any of the earliest Christians believed, and is completely foreign to the ancient faith
Paul did, and so did Peter and Matthew.

[Anonymous No.18721863]

>>18721814
>And the greek text is clear Jesus is making a difference when he is talking about Petra and Petros.
Do you think that when translating the Aramaic interaction into Greek, Matthew would record that Jesus gave Peter, a man, a feminine noun as a name? He obviously needs to use the masculine version of the Greek noun - a nuance which, as I already pointed out, did not exist in the original interaction (because kephas is already a masculine word).
>ttps://biblehub.com/greek/4074.htm
I asked you to find me a single usage of the word petros to refer to a "smallish rock or sometimes pebble", and you pointed to a Protestant resource which doesn't even cite a single usage in any context.

You also conveniently forgot to include the authoritative Strong's concordance, or the much more unbiased Thayer's Greek Lexicon, both of which say that it is clearly "stone" or "boulder", not a "small pebble".

>You are making also a pretty dangerous claim by implying you know better than the apostles with their texts what Jesus meant by saying the rock.
You are the one reading Protestant resources into the ancient text, ignoring any resources that disagree with you (even if they are impartial), and claiming to -know- the intention of Jesus when He renamed Peter "Rock".
>Paul did, and so did Peter and Matthew.
Interesting - if all of those apostles did not believe in a literal church, how come every single one of the apostolic fathers testify to the existence of an institutional church (which you reject)?

[Anonymous No.18721916]

>>18721863
Paul speaks of the Rock as Petra. There's clearly a difference between Petra and Petros.
And about your request, I'm pointing out once again the difference between smalling rock and boulder is made in Matthew. You are being stubborn about this.
>and claiming to -know- the intention of Jesus when He renamed Peter "Rock".
I never claimed I know the intention, you are not only making implications but putting words in my mouth.
>Interesting - if all of those apostles did not believe in a literal church, how come every single one of the apostolic fathers testify to the existence of an institutional church (which you reject)?
Once again, you making false points and false implications.

Even before this discussion derailed to this point, your idea of attack was to assume that I said there was contradiction in the scripture "So are you saying that scripture contradicts itself, because Jesus calls renamed Simon to "Rock", and says that upon that Rock He will build His church, and also calls Jesus the rock?"
I'm going to be completely honest with you, you are not being honest with this discussion and I find ironic you are saying I ignore resources that disagree with me, when most of this discution has being you trying to recontextualize and guide the discussion to certain specific points, and you are doing this by making false assumptions and false implications and going as far to assume for me.
Try to justify yourself anyway you want in the next post, but the truth is, unless you stop doing what I pointed out above, we are not going to have a proper discussion. I don't know if you are doing this because you are stubborn
and since the beginning my claim was "the only Church Jesus created was the one founded by a rock, and the rock was Jesus." anf your reply was Matthew 16:18, as if that did anything but support my claim.

[Anonymous No.18721979]

>>18721863
>>18721916
By the way I have to go. Claim you won the argument, I don't really care. I'm not going to be here for your next post. Just know that your replies were always dishonest and you never made a real point.

[Anonymous No.18721988]

>God slaughters Job's entire family

Where was his "love" for those people?

[Anonymous No.18722047]

>>18719524
Are you literally gate keeping the bible?

[Anonymous No.18722049]

>>18721176
Show me where in the Bible does it say he was celibate. Magaladene was his Ghislaine Maxwell.

[Anonymous No.18722089]

>>18721979
>doesn't address any of my arguments regarding the Aramaic context, gendered Greek nouns, and only cherrypicking protestant resources
I don't need to claim I "won" anything, because you haven't refuted any arguments. To finish, for any lurkers, I will provide the Aramaic Peshitta text of the New Testament, to corroborate my statement regarding the original Aramaic usage of the masculine noun "Kepha" in both clauses of Jesus' words of Matthew 16:18:
"ܐܦ ܐܢܐ ܐܡܪ ܐܢܐ ܠܟ ܕܐܢܬ ܗܘ ܟܐܦܐ ܘܥܠ ܗܕܐ ܟܐܦܐ ܐܒܢܝܗ ܠܥܕܬܝ ܘܬܪܥܐ ܕܫܝܘܠ ܠܐ ܢܚܣܢܘܢܗ [...]"
"Also I am saying unto you, that you are Kepha {The Rock}, and upon this Kepha {Rock} I will build Edthi {My Assembly}, and the gates of Sheul {Hell} will not resist it."
See: https://theholyaramaicscriptures.weebly.com/mat-16.html

[Anonymous No.18723325]

>>18719844

Answer his question.

[Anonymous No.18723333]

>>18722049
easy on the blasphemy kiddo.

[Anonymous No.18723347]

>>18721988

Indeed, Job finally yielding to "God" (if this interpretation is correct) would make him guilty of affirming "God's" murders, not to mention of a kind of self-murder whereby the initially truly innocent Job is murdered by the final guilty Job, thus retroactively justifying his suffering. Classic Yaldabaoth.

[Anonymous No.18723457]

>>18719506
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[Anonymous No.18723464]

>>18718481
Why you go NEET