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[Anonymous No.17444008]

"Does it trouble you?" Edition.

Previous Thread: >>17437290

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Not gonna make it

[Anonymous No.17444018]

Anyone else think Rhythm of War was pretty dull? I feel like he always starts out really strong, but the books peak at 2, and go downstream from there.

[Anonymous No.17444019]

based. hail to the king

[Anonymous No.17444020]

[Anonymous No.17444026]

Let there be peace in this thread.

I, an Exalt-Bakkerfag, promise not to post about Bakker for the duration of this thread. Neither will I reply to or harass Sanderposters. It is for the good of /sffg/.

If other anons wish to carry on their absurd flamewars, so be it, but I recuse myself of this madness, and I urge my brethren of Bakker to do the same, and thus set the jnanic example of our noblesse for others to see.

[Anonymous No.17444034]

Gonna start forcing another author in here for some variety, maybe I'll make 30 adrian selby posts a thread if I like his new book

[Anonymous No.17444086]

>>17444034
>maybe I'll make 30 adrian selby posts a thread if I like his new book
fuck yes please do, we need something else for a while

[Anonymous No.17444099]

>>17444086
>>17444034
The Night Angel trilogy is very good.

[Anonymous No.17444104]

>>17444099
No, fuck you that's worse than the posting we have now

[Anonymous No.17444106]

Why is Rothfuss teasing a 4th kingkiller book, supposedly not even about Kvothe, then it shouldn't be KK.

[Anonymous No.17444111]

>>17444008
I am somewhat interested in bakkers book series from reading him talked about in here, can someone give me a general overview? which books are the best, how is the series in general or which influences does it have?
Thank you and kind regards.

[Anonymous No.17444113]

>>17444008
February Releases
Iain M. Banks - The Culture: Notes And Drawings (With Ken Macleod)
Greg Bear - The Unfinished Land
Becky Chambers - The Galaxy, And The Ground Within
Aliette De Bodard - Fireheart Tiger
Nicky Drayden - Escaping Exodus: Symbiosis
Andrew Fox - The Bad Luck Spirits’ Social Aid And Pleasure Club
Sarah Gailey - The Echo Wife
Cate Glass - A Summoning Of Demons
Elizabeth Hand - The Best Of Elizabeth Hand
Charlaine Harris - The Russian Cage
Elizabeth Knox - The Absolute Book
R.A. Lafferty - The Best Of R.A. Lafferty
Stephen Leigh - Amid The Crowd Of Stars
Sarah J. Maas - A Court Of Silver Flames
Marshall Ryan Maresca - The Velocity Of Revolution
Graham Masterton - The Children God Forgot
Seanan McGuire - Calculated Risks
L.E. Modesitt, Jr. - Fairhaven Rising
Sylvain Neuvel - A History Of What Comes Next
C.L. Polk - Soulstar
Adam Roberts - Purgatory Mount
Neal Shusterman - Game Changer
Ian Watson - The Monster, The Mermaid, And Doctor Mengele
Walter Jon Williams - The Best Of Walter Jon Williams
Isabel Yap - Never Have I Ever
E. Lily Yu - On Fragile Waves

[Anonymous No.17444118]

>>17444034
A forced author needs to have at least a few memetic qualities though. Please explain why this Adrian guy is worthy

[Anonymous No.17444137]

>>17444099
>brent weeks
>"But thaddeus kyleruas stern big feet big pp lol"
Fuck this series and its cringe attempt at humor.

[Anonymous No.17444142]

>>17444111

[Anonymous No.17444162]

>>17444111
I mean this in the best way, but he's like if a really talented high-school writer was given five years to write to his hearts content, but never improved. He's very inspired by Tolkien, and uses a-lot of clichés that you'd see in a creative writing course. Package that all up, imagine those drafts were given to an older sister who edited books for a living, and there you go, Prince of Nothing.

[Anonymous No.17444164]

>>17444111
Digits....

[Anonymous No.17444168]

>>17444111
ultra-grimdark fantasy world that acts as a vehicle for bakker to express his views on belief, skepticism, and contemporary philosophy of mind and maybe probably also reveal he's a crypto-gnostic without outright saying it and risk getting blacklisted by his blogosphere (like jung did with 7 sermons)

[Anonymous No.17444178]

>>17444162
retard filtered hard. notice how bakker's detractors always attack his 1) prose, or 2) depictions of women, and recoil from actually discussing his themes. the tolkien influence is only formal.

[Anonymous No.17444183]

>>17444162

[Anonymous No.17444186]

Was Gene Wolfe a crypto-gnostic?

[Anonymous No.17444188]

>>17444113
>Iain M. Banks - The Culture: Notes And Drawings
Amazon UK is listing it as October
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Culture-Drawings-Iain-M-Banks/dp/0356512126/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

[Anonymous No.17444189]

>>17444162
>a-lot

[Anonymous No.17444191]

>>17444113
>Cate Glass - A Summoning Of Demons
this is my only definite but I've just dl'd like 10 books from january so I'll probably find some more stuff in there.
Oh and Play of Shadows isn't listed but I'm gonna read that, don't think I finished the author's last series but it was loads of fun.

I always look at de Bodard's stuff, think it sounds interesting and then never read it. Probably because I found the first "House of..." book a bit underwhelming.

[Anonymous No.17444193]

>>17444168
why would being a crypto gnostic blacklist him tho? afaik gnosticism is pretty in.

[Anonymous No.17444206]

Who’s read it?

[Anonymous No.17444216]

>>17444193
>>17444168
>crypto-gnostic
Lets pretend I'm a retard and don't know what that means. Can someone explain?

[Anonymous No.17444222]

>>17444188
I'm just going by what it says here
http://locusmag.com/forthcomingbooks/

[Anonymous No.17444223]

>>17444193
he's interested in philosophy of mind and how self-consciousness is an artifact of heuristics. it just isn't his circle.

[Anonymous No.17444226]

Fuck E william Brown

[Anonymous No.17444231]

>>17444164
yeah aren't they nice!
>>17444162
well fuck, I know that feel and was that kid so I can empathize with him, it's not like all books one reads are going to be masterpieces, although if it's so dilettantistic I might just read king of Elfland's daughter again or something desu

What would be a series of books one would also like if he liked prince of nothing?

[Anonymous No.17444237]

>>17444216
i'm being cheeky but bakker's universe is basically says that reality is a farm for postmortal rape monsters who use light as a loosh battery. if you know your gnosticism, the idea that the gods are demons is a common theme

[Anonymous No.17444239]

>>17444216
under all the edgy dark-mind neuropsychology rambling and le edgy hard-agnostic posturing is a truly conflicted soul who longs to be released from the material world and desperately hopes there’s a God.

[Anonymous No.17444244]

>>17444142
thank you

[Anonymous No.17444246]

>>17444178
Well the actual writing being dogshit and loaded with so many invented terms is kinda the main problem with him.

[Anonymous No.17444249]

Please critique my work.

“The Logos is without beginning or end, young Jack. Do you understand
this?”
The instruction had begun.
“No, sir,” Jack replied. Though he still suffered fear and hope, he had
long before overcome his compulsion to misrepresent the extent of his knowledge.
A child had little choice when his teachers could see through faces.
“Thousands of years ago, when the Brakhan first found—”
“After the ancient wars?” Jack eagerly interrupted. “When we were still
refugees?”
The monk struck him, fiercely enough to send him rolling across the hard
stone. Jack scrambled back to position and wiped the blood from his nose. But
he felt little fear and even less regret. The blow was a lesson, nothing more. Among
the Brahkan, everything was a lesson.
The monk regarded him with utter dispassion. “Interruption is weakness,
young Jack. It arises from the passions and not from the intellect. From the
darkness that comes before.”
“I understand, sir.”
The cold eyes peered through him and saw this was true. “When the Brakhan
first found Ishual in these mountains, they knew only one principle of the Logos.
What was that principle, young Jack?”
“That which comes before determines that which comes after.”
The monk nodded. “Two thousand years have passed, young Jack, and
we still hold that principle true. Does that mean the principle of before and after, of
cause and effect, has grown old?”
“No, sir.”
“And why is that? Do men not grow old and die? Do not even mountains age
and crumble with time?”
“Yessir.”
“Then how can this principle not be old?”
“Because,” Jack answered, struggling to snuff a flare of pride, “the
principle of before and after is nowhere to be found within the circuit of before and
after. It is the ground of what is ‘young’ and what is ‘old,’ and so cannot itself be
young or old.”
“Yes. The Logos is without beginning or end. And yet Man, young Jack,
does possess a beginning and end—like all beasts. Why is Man distinct from other
beasts?”
“Because like beasts, Sanderchadz stands within the circuit of before and after, and
yet he apprehends the Logos. They possesses intellect unfounded in the Brakkers.”
“Indeed. And why, Jack, do the Sanderchadz have so much intellect? Why do we
so assiduously train young Bakkers such as you in the ways of thought, limb, and
face when its all in vein?"
“Because of the Quandary of Man.”
“And what is the Quandary of Man?”
A bee had droned into the shrine, and now it etched drowsy, random circles
beneath the vaults.
“That he is a beast, that his appetites arise from the darkness of his soul, that
his world assails him with arbitrary circumstance, and yet he apprehends the Logos.”
“Precisely. And what is the solution to the Quandary of Man?”
“To be utterly free of bestial appetite. To utterly command the unfolding of
circumstance. To be the perfect instrument of Logos and so attain the Absolute.”

[Anonymous No.17444255]

>>17444186
he was catholic, the Catholic church has an history arguing with the gnostics so most likely not or at least he would be familiar with catholic apologism

[Anonymous No.17444261]

>>17444246
>invented
>"words I don't know are invented"

[Anonymous No.17444267]

>>17444239
based.

>>17444246
lol, i bet you think the onta is an invented term. pseud

[Anonymous No.17444277]

>>17444216
what part you don't understand the crypto or the gnostic?
>>17444223
oooh ok basically he's aftmraid that an actual neuroscientist would walk by and fuck him over?
>>17444237
well ok that's pretty interesting.
>>17444239
I can sort of see where that comes from.
>>17444246
standard fantasy fare or worse?

[Anonymous No.17444278]

god I love these Bakker threads boys. I'm being unironic, etc. I'd love to do a reread but my book "bakklog" is way too massive. got some more KSR to read, some Richard Rorty (philosophy), and some China Mieville. also I found my old shitty Bakker notes - check em out. major spoilers for the whole series. please review this shit and correct it, because in case you couldn't tell, I'm a brainlet. upon reading them, I'm not quite sure what I was thinking. (1) of COURSE it was Ajokli working with Kellhus, or was Ajokli manipulating Kellhus? I forget. (2) What really IS Kellhus's endgame? (3) What really IS the endgame of the gods? (4) Remind me why Mimara was important, I totally forget. (5) Who/what was the White Luck Warrior?

[Anonymous No.17444301]

>>17444277
>oooh ok basically he's aftmraid that an actual neuroscientist would walk by and fuck him over?
i just don't think he has a platform to articulate views he can only articulate through earwa. its easy to see where he's using his characters as a voicebox for his philosophical views, but where do you draw the line? does Damnation at all figure into his irl views? maybe not how it's thematized in the books but something like it? yeah I buy it.

[Anonymous No.17444306]

>>17444018
The big muh storm light metaphysics ate up space for every other arc. Because of that the andolin trial and the Kaladin stuff felt either overly pruned or artificially extended. Pacing was way way off this book.

[Anonymous No.17444321]

>>17444249
you got the characters across well, you should strenghten the prose but it's not too bad, the problem of the scene is that it's an infodump which in itself serves a purpouse in letting people know about the nature of the setting but can be done more graciously through implications and allusions during the story.

[Anonymous No.17444334]

>>17444278
if we're running with the gnosticism theme, mimara is basically sophia. daughter of a whore and cuckold born with divine powers, possibly gives birth to a savior/paraclete. bakker is about as grimdark as it gets but he strikes me as too much of an adult to use mimara as set-up for just another great ordeal-type deal ending in salt and butchery.

[Anonymous No.17444353]

>>17444278
Inverse Fire watching party tonight. Drinks are on the Ark. We've brought in lines of captives for your entertainment from all across the plains of Gâl. DJ Red Ghoul on the 1's and 2's.

[Anonymous No.17444360]

>>17444321
it's ripped off from bakker with the names changed >>17444249

[Anonymous No.17444367]

>>17444321
PT2 Thank you. How about this?

They called themselves the Dakata, and they searched for missing wives and children. Two days before they had returned tc camp, warriors flushed with success in the ways of small war, an found destruction and slaughter instead of their loved ones. Inve fighters became panicked husbands and fathers, sprinting through wreckage crying names. But when they realized their families had taken and not killed, they became warriors again. And they’d ri driven by love and terror.
By mid-morning, colossal stoneworks resolved from the sheets o and reared above them: the moss- and lichen-crowded ruins of Hagia once the capital of Asakira and the greatest city of the Ancient Sophia Tryse. Angeles knew nothing of the Old Wars, or of ancieni proud Sophia Tryse, but he understood his people were descendants of the Apocalypse. They dwelt among the unearthed bones of greater thin;
They followed the track over mounds, beneath headless pillars, and along walls spilling into gravel. The Dranc they followed, Manuel knew, were neither Kagala Chikala, the clans that had been their rivals since time immemorial. They followed a different, more wicked clan— one never before encountered. Some of them were even horsed—something unheard of for the Sranc. They passed through the dead Kanetia river in silence, deaf to their rebuke for the unruined.
By evening the rains had stopped, but deepening cold was added to their horror, and their shivers became shudders. That night they found a firepit, and Aengelas, poking through the black ash with his knife, retrieved a small pile of little bones. Children’s bones. The Werigda gnashed their teeth and howled at the dark heavens. There could be no sleep that night, so they rode on. The plains seemed a heart-stopping hollow, a great funerary shroud, exposed at all points to abyssal portent, to impossibly cruel designs. What had they done? How had they angered the man-pummelling Gods? Had the Stag-Flame burned too low? Had thesacrificial calves been diseased? Two more days of wet, shivering fury. Two more days of trembling horror. Aengelas would see the tracks of barefoot women and children, and he would remember their burnt homes, the bodies of the tribe’s adolescents strewn amidst the wreckage, desecrated in unspeakable ways. And he wouldremember his wife’s frightened eyes before he’d left with the others to raid the pepoo-oo.
Another firepit, more small bones. But this time the ashes were warm. The very ground seemed to whisper with the screams of their loved ones. They were near. But both they and their horses, Angeles told them, were too weary for the grim work of battle. Many were dismayed by these words. Whose child would the Sranc eat, they cried, while theytossed on the hard ground? All of them, Angeles said, if the pepoo-oo failed to win the tomorrow’s battle, they would all die.
They must sleep.

[Anonymous No.17444372]

>>17444367
why would you waste your time doing this

[Anonymous No.17444377]

>>17444353
based, fuck jannies and FUCK the hundred

[Anonymous No.17444385]

>>17444360
ok, couldn't know

[Anonymous No.17444387]

>>17444372
Huh? I wrote that.

[Anonymous No.17444395]

>>17444353
the only thing this meme is missing is one of those grotesque hellish pink wojaks where the inverse fire is

[Anonymous No.17444403]

>>17444018
The part where Navani started sharing secrets with Raboniel was artificial and cringy.

[Anonymous No.17444441]

>>17444353
is this the kind of stuff that happens in the bakkerverse
pretty rad ngl

[Anonymous No.17444444]

Shimeh

[Anonymous No.17444451]

>>17444444
it's over, sandersoys fucking obliterated

[Anonymous No.17444455]

>>17444444
Is that a boy?

[Anonymous No.17444457]

>>17444444
godly digits

[Anonymous No.17444458]

>>17444444
<repeating digits

[Anonymous No.17444463]

>>17444444
S H I M E H
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[Anonymous No.17444465]

>>17444444

[Anonymous No.17444467]

>>17444444
I Came for the digits
I'll come again in a second.

[Anonymous No.17444471]

>>17333333

[Anonymous No.17444476]

>>17444444

[Anonymous No.17444527]

>>17444206
I have it saved. I'm gonna read it after I finish the Unholy Consult.

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.17444531]

>>17444008
The Original - Brandon Sanderson & Mary Robinette Kowal (2020)
Performed by Julia Whelen
Duration: 3 hours, 23 minutes
An audiobook exclusive original.
What an utter and absolute disaster. I would've dropped this very quickly if I weren't simply passively listening to it while doing other stuff. I'm baffled and confounded by the ratings on this. I don't know to what degree each author was involved, but I really have to wonder. Mostly I have to wonder just how much Sanderson's editors have to tell him he's being a complete idiot and not to put that in there. That or either he really has to self-censor himself a lot.
As in prior reviews where I've noted that an unknown amount of my enjoyment may have been because it was in agreement with my beliefs, this was the opposite. While I do think everything about it was dreck and dross, the politics expressed exacerbated my dislike. Its recipe seems to be: generic thriller, religious anti-government conservative take on Black Mirror, popular conspiratorial nonsense, and constant angsty introspection, then mix thoroughly.
The plot is that a clone that has been altered to be more than human has four days to her kill original or she dies. Not really much more needs to be said than that about it. The ending is a caricature that made me roll my eyes.
The narrator was fine and used her voice in interesting ways.
The sound effects and ambient music were distracting and annoying at best.
Rating: 0.5/5

[Anonymous No.17444549]

>>17444531
>An audiobook exclusive original.
Why would you do this to yourself?

[Anonymous No.17444558]

>>17444531
>>17444549

I honestly get it that people go to audiobooks for time/convenience reasons.

But does any one here unironically enjoy Audiobooks over regular Books?

[Anonymous No.17444573]

>>17444558
based qt chubby kot poster

[Anonymous No.17444576]

>>17444444
Truth shines

[Anonymous No.17444610]

>>17444549 Because whims. As stated in the previous post I didn't want it to be for anything I could just read. Because then I just would. I hadn't listened to any before and so goes curiosity.
There are some others I'll be listening to soon, but I expect they will be better.

>>17444558
>unironically enjoy Audiobooks over regular books
Probably, I certainly don't.

[Anonymous No.17444671]

what character do you picture as a specific actor? or what characters?
for me it's Elodin. I can't unsee him as David Tennant. I think it's supposedly crazy eyes

[Anonymous No.17444681]

>>17444671
it's his*
actresses too btw

[Anonymous No.17444689]

Anyone else type "Second Apocalypse" into the book of the month survey?

[Anonymous No.17444694]

>>17444689
Which survey?

[Anonymous No.17444697]

>>17444694
The /lit/ survey. Check the catalog.

[Anonymous No.17444734]

>>17444306
Pacing is always terrible in his books. Especially when he insists on trying to convince himself and the world he can write good characters by wasting time writing about them doing fucking nothing until he has dumped enough poorly delivered exposition and the plot has gotten far enough to allow further "character development".

[Anonymous No.17444737]

>>17444697
the only posts I follow on /lit/ are /sffg/. what else is there? freshman talking about analytic philosophy & "Neitzhce", some fucking "pbuh" nationalist-religious guy, and kids who just discovered Chomsky

[Anonymous No.17444747]

>>17444737
People think that /sffg/ is bad, but the rest of /lit/ is worse.

[Anonymous No.17444748]

>>17444531
I'm sure this was terrible, but you truly are a mid-wit if you can't entertain ideas you disagree with without getting all upset about it.

[Anonymous No.17444754]

>>17444748
>mid-wit

[Anonymous No.17444758]

>>17444558
I wouldn't say I enjoy them OVER regular books, but I do enjoy them. I tend to listen to audiobooks of things I probably wouldn't read anyway and I find more enjoyable than just constantly blasting music into my ears.

[Anonymous No.17444761]

>>17444748
I'm not upset about the ideas. I said I dislike them.That's a preference.

[Anonymous No.17444807]

>>17444758
I don't know how people can properly concentrate for long periods without losing track. That and dialogue being the same voice. Maybe it's just me.

[Anonymous No.17444815]

>>17444807
Some have full casts where the all major characters have different a person.

[Anonymous No.17444843]

>>17444761
Why not just dislike the characters who hold the ideas?

[Anonymous No.17444847]

After listening to various samples of books I've read before, it was immediately obvious I couldn't ever listen to something I've previously read. The dissonance from the internal narrative voice I remembered from when I was reading and hearing someone narrate it with their own voice was far too jarring to even get through a sample of it.

[Anonymous No.17444855]

>>17444843
It wasn't about the ideas of the characters. It was the ideas of society and how they were presented. I disagreed with the worldbuilding.

[Anonymous No.17445199]

>>17444334
glad i’m not the only one who saw Mimara as Sophia

[Anonymous No.17445218]

>>17444441
yes.... it happens every day since Arkfall, so like 6,000 years or so.

[Anonymous No.17445219]

>>17444395
groyper ciphrang eating pink wojak soul

[Anonymous No.17445310]

>>17444353
Lovers, Nonmen, and Gentlesranc, allow me to introduce our star entertainment tonight: the amazing Larval Ensemble— the singing, the dancing, ten freakish abortions with the soul of one very clever fellow!

[Anonymous No.17445478]

>>17443608
If you want Xiaxia, look no further than Reverend Insanity. It's by far the best. As for challenge, in a truly unique circumstance we're several thousand chapters in, the MC has snowballed to a ludicrous powerlevel, and he's STILL just barely managing to keep one step ahead of the grave. I'd say it's sort of a sine wave, he has high points where he shits all over everyone, then once he's strong enough he take INSANE risks to get even stronger, nearly dying in the process.

It's also just generally good. Total villain protagonist though, sort of. If you've read Bakker, imagine Kellhus but less super-intelligent. AKA a total amoral sociopath who sees people as tools and obstacles only.

[Anonymous No.17445529]

>>17444162
>calls it "high school writing"
>clichés
>creative writing course
Post examples or shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.17445841]

>>17445529
Why are Bakkars so sensitive?

[Anonymous No.17446226]

what the heck does "speech-friend" mean? i've read every william morris fantasy novel and he keeps using that word but i'm still not sure of the exact definition. haven't seen any other author use it

[Anonymous No.17446313]

>cool mafia politics
>cool power system
>interesting characters
>BOOM! complaining feminist character
>BOOM! faggot character
dropped. why does this always happen?

[Anonymous No.17446329]

>>17446226
>Morris's Northern preferences are shown not merely in the men and women of his tales and the customs he depicts, but in the very phraseology. The Saxon and Danish elements in our language are used with a freedom that is sometimes tiresome; and the archaic terms that abound in the later tales especially, are of no slight vexation to the ordinary reader, quaint and melodious as some of them are. "Speech-friend," for example, one is glad to have, and there is a welcome old-world flavour about "songcraft " for poetry, and "wood-abider"
for forester.

[Anonymous No.17446365]

>>17446313
read
>>17444748

[Anonymous No.17446368]

>>17446365
>read
no thanks. not interested in sjw shit.

[Anonymous No.17446370]

>>17446313
I don't get it, how the fuck do you read ANYTHING if you can't stand one piece of a work that conflicts with your world view?

[Anonymous No.17446389]

>>17446329
but that just reiterates that the word is used but doesn't explain what it means like the other two examples

[Anonymous No.17446396]

>>17446370
I read sff for enjoyment. I cant enjoy it if I hate half the characters I'm supposed to root for. Grandpa is based but he's made out to be the bad guy. So you know this entire book is sjw shit.

[Anonymous No.17446401]

SKIIIIIIP. Sanderson is dead to me now.

I'm sorry, but he's overexplaining everything again. There's this huge chapter where characters detail every detail of this gigantic plan. And here's the problem with that. Only 1 of two things can happen: Either A, everything goes to plan for the most part. Save for some dramatic inconveniences that don't amount to much in the grander scheme. Or B, something goes horribly wrong, which ruins the entire plan, and they have to do something else entirely. Either way, I just listened to 60 minutes of Sanderson's characters make overt, nearly 4th wall breaking statements to clue the reader in on what's happening in the world.

It's not worth it. All this will amount to, is more cringey fight scenes of people "burning" metal. I'm pulling out now before I waste another 19 hours of my time.

How you guys can actually recommend his work to others is beyond my ability to believe. You HAVE to be trolling.

[Anonymous No.17446412]

>>17446401
Its basically a battle anime. If you're into that you'll probably enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.17446418]

>>17446401
Is Sanderson reverting back to the time where his first 10 novels were rejected? Elantris was actually a great stand-alone fantasy novel, which is very hard to do.

[Anonymous No.17446426]

>>17446412
You guys are going to laugh at me. But I actually started reading in hopes to find stories that are better than your basic anime. I was naive. I see that now.

>>17446418
Elantris is on my shit list too. And Mistborn is one of his early releases.

[Anonymous No.17446468]

>>17446389
Just from inference, it seems like it means a mutually understandable language or dialect.

[Anonymous No.17446480]

>>17446426
Aight bro God is directing me to tell you to read The Book of the New Sun. You won't be disappointed.

[Anonymous No.17446488]

>>17444558
A really good narrator can elevate the material

[Anonymous No.17446493]

>>17446426
If you hate Sanderson, I really recommend you give "The Night Angel Trilogy" a shot. It's amazing, but relatively new (relatively) and so not much people know about it.

[Anonymous No.17446516]

>>17445478
reverened insanity sucks, powercrept too fast and reset everyone to where they started

[Anonymous No.17446521]

>>17446401
It's too bad you didn't like it, anon. Of all the things I read from him, the original Mistborn was probably my favorite.

[Anonymous No.17446523]

>>17446401
>listening to audiobooks of books you've never read before
You fuckers really do hate reading, don't you?

[Anonymous No.17446524]

>>17446468
it's used as a descriptor for people. something between a friend and a lover but i'm not sure what exactly

[Anonymous No.17446533]

>>17446493
>hate Sanderson
>I really recommend "The Night Angel Trilogy"
Are you unironically trying to torture the guy?

[Anonymous No.17446534]

I STAND

WHERE MY BROTHER STOOD

[Anonymous No.17446542]

>>17446493
What does hating Sanderson have to do with liking The Night Angel?

>>17446523
I can't read more than a few pages without getting sleepy. I don't know how you do it. How do people stay awake while reading? But I can listen to people talk forever.

[Anonymous No.17446543]

>>17446516
When? You mean the first arc? He actually bounces right back again after a few chapters and that kind of thing doesn't happen again.

[Anonymous No.17446556]

>>17446426
>But I actually started reading in hopes to find stories that are better than your basic anime
kek, Sanderson is just shounen for non-weebs. If you want a good audiobook try something from Discworld, especially the ones narrated by Nigel Planer (first 20)

[Anonymous No.17446557]

Thoughts?

>>Up the jagged spine of rough-hewn steps they struggled, a world’s war chief and his retinue reduced to crawling. Horns hewn of bone sounded in the deep, and the rumblings of drums mingled with the rhythm of the X’shaal’s chants as their king and his kin assailed the climb toward God. In the crepuscular haze of the cavern’s night, candles mounted on sigil-inscribed monoliths the height of towers marked the shame of past failures; shadows of men frozen on their igneous surface, but lacking the bodies to cast them. Here was a domain of the Unseen, chthonic spirits of spite and malice that stole those weak enough to be distracted from the Light Above. Its psychic inferno seared into his mind, the torture of Its glory threatening forgetfulness of the Destiny accorded, but Saothinax would not be stolen. His blood was mingled with Heaven’s, his soul’s pedigree above the loathsome shadow-horrors lingering in the dark - their ilk a bastard race, inferior imitations of true divinity. The Angels sharing his nature awaited, like-to-like, it was not in his blood to fail.

[Anonymous No.17446572]

>>17446543
When ice guy who becomes a tranny uses their ice move and resets everyone

[Anonymous No.17446585]

Whats a fantasy with a great sense of adventure? Anyone got any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.17446607]

>>17446585
LOTR
Lyonesse
Dying Earth
Mask of the Sorcerer
A Wizard of Earthsea
Redwall

[Anonymous No.17446608]

>>17446524
I guess it's a pseudo archaic term for a close friend (friend) you enjoy conversations with (speech). If it's used to brand only one person, it could be similar to best friend. If it's used for a woman and there's a romantic interest, it could be "best friend and lover".

You could try getting this article
62. Spear, Jeffrey L. "William Morris and the 'Speech Friend': Triangles, Gender, and
Romance." Annals of Scholarship, 7, No. 2 (1990), 235-54.

[Anonymous No.17446613]

>>17446585
Engine Summer, but it's more SF than fantasy.
The Rigante series. I'd imagine most heroic fantasy would be like that.

[Anonymous No.17446621]

>>17446542
>How do people stay awake while reading?
My first instinct is to ask if you're doing it "right". I was astounded to learn there are grown adults reading fiction who don't engage their imaginations to do so actively as opposed to just passively absorbing information. If you're not following the action of the story in your mind as you read it, you're not really reading at all. If you can accomplish all that and still feel yourself dozing off, it might be a deeper issue.

[Anonymous No.17446622]

>>17446524
>>17446226
>>17446608
btw, those things are called kennings.
A quick google search shows Morris attempted a translation of some Norse saga, so that's where it could've come from.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenning

[Anonymous No.17446623]

>>17446608
thanks for your help. i tried looking speche in middle english dictionaries if it had some more definitions than ours but i guess it's just speech
>62. Spear, Jeffrey L. "William Morris and the 'Speech Friend': Triangles, Gender, and Romance." Annals of Scholarship, 7, No. 2 (1990), 235-54.
thanks i'll try even if it's hard to find it

[Anonymous No.17446638]

>>17446556
I want something with some intrigue. A bit of mystery. It doesn't have to be a literal mystery novel. But ya know... it should make me wonder. I want to be curious about something. But also, I want it to be presented with likeable characters, and an actual cohesive plot.

I swear some of you anons have to be over 50 years old. Because you're always recommending these boomer books. And some of them are good. But their narration can also be jarring at times. Like Jack Vance's narration is basically. "I'm adventure man! I like woman! Woman dangerous! But me thinking about sexing her, because that's what adventure man does! He sexes the women, and the fights the bad magic men who try to take the women!"
And I have to imagine you read his books back in the 80s when they were still considered the best fantasies.

Book of the New Sun is a bit better, but not by much. It has a bit of the stilted Vance way of narration. "Torturer like wimmin! Torturer wear cool cloak! Cloak attract women! Uh-oh! Bad guys fight Torturer. Torturer chop head off in single swing! Woman happy! Torturer sex woman!"
It's basically that but with bigger words.

[Anonymous No.17446639]

>>17446572
That's the end of the first arc When the mountain explodes and the whole clan dies, right? After that Fang Yuan has A+ aptitude because of the blood path gu and easily cultivates back up to rank three

[Anonymous No.17446647]

>>17445869
>can you link the discord. i dont know what the spoiler thing is
sure bro: discord.gg/KWPCM7m

>just ordered the first book. should be getting in by friday
cool. the bakker read is officially starting on the 28th

[Anonymous No.17446648]

>>17446638
Have you tried Burroughs Princess of Mars and assorted John Carters?

[Anonymous No.17446649]

>>17446542
>How do people stay awake while reading?
How can anyone fall asleep while reading? It's so mentally intense that I've read for 36 hours straight without noticing before. By contrast I'm dead tired after just a few hours of listening to audiobooks.

[Anonymous No.17446658]

>>17446621
I don't know how to turn my imagination off. I always have an image of what's happening in my head. A lot of the times the images are fuzzy and not very detailed. But it's still enough to play the scene out in my head as I'm listening.

I did it while reading too. As infrequent as actual reading has been in my life. There are instances of me actually reading fiction and imagining what it happening.

[Anonymous No.17446684]

anyone want to post the discord?

[Anonymous No.17446689]

>>17446638
>can't appreciate Vance or Wolfe
yeah, stick to Sanderson

[Anonymous No.17446695]

>>17446684
see
>>17446647

[Anonymous No.17446703]

>>17446649
Maybe it's a psychological thing. But I've always associated books with sleep, since reading "the bed time story" was such a huge deal growing up. It was in every movie, every show, every cartoon, even inside of books themselves. Where a parent reads their children a storybook to make them go to sleep. Or the child reads the book themselves at bedtime. Or even the adults in most movies are reading a book while sitting in bed. There's always a book surrounding the idea of sleep.

But I got into talk radio when I was about 13 or so. And so I grew up listening to the radio for hours and hours. Talk radio was exciting. Loveline talking about sex stuff. Howard Stern doing weird circus shit. Don&Mike being a variety comedy show with guests and impersonations and fucking with their audience on the phone, which was basically the radio version of shitposting. Audiobooks are just an extension of that.

[Anonymous No.17446720]

>>17446703
For me the "bedtime story" was about being READ TO, so listening to someone reading a book puts me to sleep like a rock.

[Anonymous No.17446746]

>>17444113
there's another: Justin Call- Master Artificer (The Silent Gods #2). I read the first, master of sorrows on a whim, not exactly earth-shattering and the goodreads description will probably make people here seethe, so posting relevant

"Among the Academy's warrior-thieves, Annev de Breth is an outlier. Unlike his classmates who were stolen as infants from the capital city, Annev was born in the small village of Chaenbalu, was believed to be executed, and then unknowingly raised by his parents' killers.

Seventeen years later, Annev struggles with the burdens of a forbidden magic, a forgotten heritage, and a secret deformity. When he is subsequently caught between the warring ideologies of his priestly mentor and the Academy's masters, he must choose between forfeiting his promising future at the Academy or betraying his closest friends. Each decision leads to a deeper dilemma, until Annev finds himself pressed into a quest he does not wish to fulfil."

Book's somewhere between YA and adult fantasy, more mature than someone like Sanderson, and i found it to be a decent read given the talent available otherwise.
Second one releases on 25th of this month in the US.

[Anonymous No.17446800]

>>17446622
thanks, nice to know the word for it. he uses them a lot. "sea-wife" for mermaids, "wood-wife" etc

[Anonymous No.17446808]

>>17446401
try reading sandersons books in this order anon, it might be enjoyable.
1.the emperor's soul, won the hugo (not participatory in this case) for best novella in 2013, and what i believe to be his strongest work. He does not go on an info-dumping spree as is his wont, and the characters and dialogues are tightly written.
2.Shadows for silence in the forest of hell - 2015, also novella, part of an anthology called dangerous women, again strong setting, storyline and characters.
After reading you can see that he can write good stories, provided he clamps down on producing tomes and tomes of verbiage.
3. Mistborn-era 2 - the only work of his standard cosmere that i recommend, the characters and settings are pretty good. The shoddy writing of Mistborn-era 1 is absent, so is the prose padding tendency of SA. You can read it without reading the first era, the problem being you'll most probably want to read the first era after finishing it to get a sense of the story and will notice a major drop in quality.

[Anonymous No.17446818]

>>17444106
>Rothfuss has yet to finish the supposedly final part of his trilogy TEN FUCKING YEARS AFTER THE LAST ONE
>still announces a 4th novel to the Kingkiller Chronicle
But why

[Anonymous No.17446832]

>>17446818
too busy being a twatter e-celeb and milking his fans with shit like pic related.
rothfuss sucks ass, literally and figuratively. kingkiller is a fluke of modern publishing that only they/thems enjoy.

[Anonymous No.17446851]

>>17446808
No. I'm done.
I've done The Emperor's Soul, Elantris and Warbreaker in that order. Mistborn was the final straw. How many chances does one author get? He's dead to me now.

[Anonymous No.17446859]

I like Joe Abercrombie a lot. Just thought I'd put that out there.

[Anonymous No.17446882]

>>17446859
i find his books exceedingly shallow, adolescent, generic, and pointless... but to each their own.

[Anonymous No.17446894]

>>17446882
Yes, they are all of those things and that's exactly my level.

[Anonymous No.17446900]

>>17446585
The Deathstalker series is pretty much fantasy hiding in a scifi dress.

[Anonymous No.17446901]

>>17444444
Bakkerchads.... I kneel....

[Anonymous No.17446916]

>>17446851
Not being impolite, but it is your own fucking fault for reading a mediocre author's least worthy books (elantris and warbreaker are books that even the avowed retards at the shard do not discuss often, they are his earliest available books and are lacking in many aspects).
Oh well, there are many good stories out there, though not many from the last 15 years or so.

[Anonymous No.17446921]

I am 36% into "Station Eleven" by Emily St John Mandel. I was expecting a kickass pandemic apocalypse book and now it seems to be shaping up to be a maudlin flashback to some love story that ended long before the apocalypse, WTF

[Anonymous No.17446929]

I am 36% into "Station Eleven" by Emily St John Mandel. I was expecting a kickass pandemic apocalypse book and now it seems to be shaping up to be a maudlin flashback to some love story that ended long before the apocalypse, WTF bros (no spoilers plz)

[Anonymous No.17446936]

>>17446638
>things have to be the exact way I like it or they're bad
Why are so many modern readers like this, though? It inevitably means you can't read anything unless it's modern because that's too "different" for you.

[Anonymous No.17446962]

>>17446916
Every one was recommended by an anon. And how am I supposed to know which is good or bad? By what metric to I pre-determine quality?

[Anonymous No.17446970]

>>17446936
>Uh-oh, someone is criticizing something I like. Better completely misconstrue his statement in every possible way, so as to protect my ego.

[Anonymous No.17447003]

>>17446962
Fair point to you, the recommending anons were probably taking the piss. Problem with works akin to sandersons are that the blurbs are no indication of the quality of the prose. In the case of a deeply divisive writer such as sanderson, a bit of research beforehand might not be amiss, though that might be asking a lot, seeing as we are discussing cookie-cutters here, but at the end of the day you basically roll the dice hoping for a good outcome.
Here is warbreaker according to goodreads
"From #1 New York Times bestselling author Brandon Sanderson, Warbreaker is the story of two sisters, who happen to be princesses, the God King one of them has to marry, the lesser god who doesn't like his job, and the immortal who's still trying to undo the mistakes he made hundreds of years ago.

Their world is one in which those who die in glory return as gods to live confined to a pantheon in Hallandren's capital city and where a power known as BioChromatic magic is based on an essence known as breath that can only be collected one unit at a time from individual people.

By using breath and drawing upon the color in everyday objects, all manner of miracles and mischief can be accomplished. It will take considerable quantities of each to resolve all the challenges facing Vivenna and Siri, princesses of Idris; Susebron the God King; Lightsong, reluctant god of bravery, and mysterious Vasher, the Warbreaker."
And this ones elantris
"Elantris was the capital of Arelon: gigantic, beautiful, literally radiant, filled with benevolent beings who used their powerful magical abilities for the benefit of all. Yet each of these demigods was once an ordinary person until touched by the mysterious transforming power of the Shaod. Ten years ago, without warning, the magic failed. Elantrians became wizened, leper-like, powerless creatures, and Elantris itself dark, filthy, and crumbling.

Arelon's new capital, Kae, crouches in the shadow of Elantris. Princess Sarene of Teod arrives for a marriage of state with Crown Prince Raoden, hoping -- based on their correspondence -- to also find love. She finds instead that Raoden has died and she is considered his widow. Both Teod and Arelon are under threat as the last remaining holdouts against the imperial ambitions of the ruthless religious fanatics of Fjordell. So Sarene decides to use her new status to counter the machinations of Hrathen, a Fjordell high priest who has come to Kae to convert Arelon and claim it for his emperor and his god.

But neither Sarene nor Hrathen suspect the truth about Prince Raoden. Stricken by the same curse that ruined Elantris, Raoden was secretly exiled by his father to the dark city. His struggle to help the wretches trapped there begins a series of events that will bring hope to Arelon, and perhaps reveal the secret of Elantris itself.

[Anonymous No.17447009]

>>17447003
tl;dr

[Anonymous No.17447020]

>>17447003
I'm the actual anon you were replying to and >>17447009
I'm NOT reading Sanderson anymore. Period. It's over. It's done. I don't even care which work is better than another, because I'm not going to read ANY of it. So it's pointless information to me.

[Anonymous No.17447027]

>>17447009
do not read earlier works of deeply divisive authors as the first thing you read of them, start somewhere nearer to their latest work, which is the best indication of what they have to offer, as they should probably have overcome their initial shortcomings.

[Anonymous No.17447028]

>>17447020
based sanderson disavower

[Anonymous No.17447041]

>>17447020
To each his own, anon, maybe someone else can utilise this information

[Anonymous No.17447059]

>>17447020
You seem very emotionally invested, better read a little more just to be sure you're not making a mi stake ;)

[Anonymous No.17447074]

>>17446936
In part because modern fantasy has drastically changed to 20-30 years ago. It's so heavily character-driven these days that, like someone always points out, if you haven't sold the readers on your characters in first 50 pages your book is shit.

[Anonymous No.17447146]

>>17447074
>if you haven't sold the readers on your characters in first 50 pages your book is shit.

that's pretty much always been the case hasn't it?

[Anonymous No.17447169]

>>17447146
You can tell early on if someone is worth reading or not, that's how it's been for me. Sometime you hope it goes from mediocre and hits you with a good twist, but sometimes it doesn't happen and goes to shit.

[Anonymous No.17447214]

>>17444444
I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.17447223]

>>17447003
I’ve never read Sanderson but this sounds fucking awful.

[Anonymous No.17447245]

>>17446401
>>17446851
>>17446962
>>17447020
First of all, Karen, you have never read Sanderson. You degenerate listen to audiobooks.

You disregarded Bakker because the reader of the audiobook sucked. You claimed to enjoy the Waste of Time a lot.

You have been filtered, and not because of any other people. You have filtered yourself.

Every week you come here asking for Sanderson recommendations, every week you come back telling you didn’t like his books. Every time you say “Sanderson is dead to me”.

Read (with your own eyes) Bakker.

[Anonymous No.17447257]

>>17447245
>Read (with your own eyes) Bakker.
Not every soul is strong enough.
And that is a good thing.

[Anonymous No.17447261]

>>17446832
what the fuck are those awful creatures

[Anonymous No.17447283]

>"Death came swirling down" for the billionth time

[Anonymous No.17447285]

>>17447283
you didn't start with the greeks, it's a reference to the illiad

[Anonymous No.17447287]

>>17447285
suck my cock

[Anonymous No.17447289]

>>17447283
That’s actually pretty good desu.

[Anonymous No.17447292]

>>17447287


The first to hurl, Great Ajax hit the ridge
of the helmet's horsehair crest—the bronze point
stuck in Acamas' forehead pounding through the skull
and the dark came swirling down to shroud his eyes.


FILTERED

[Anonymous No.17447294]

>>17447285
Simply repeating something a bunch isn't intrinsically referential. Now go have your eyes closed in on by darkness and your helmet borne away by your Hector.

[Anonymous No.17447300]

>>17447292
keep sucking

[Anonymous No.17447301]

>>17447287
Low IQ emotional response.

[Anonymous No.17447304]

>>17447300
>>17447287
>>17447283
filtered. you didn’t start with the greeks.
but bakker did.

[Anonymous No.17447314]

>>17447301
I don't have that much to spare for a midwit fanboy who thinks "but the Greeks did it" is an excuse for an author becoming a borderline parody of himself.

I'm just glad Bakker decided to find an editor for TUC, because TGO was fucking laughably sloppy.

[Anonymous No.17447321]

>>17447314
>t. troubled

[Anonymous No.17447323]

>>17447321
Tend to your women, Akka.

[Anonymous No.17447326]

>>17447245
> you have never read Sanderson. You degenerate listen to audiobooks.
Lol don't care.

>You claimed to enjoy the Waste of Time a lot.
I did. And I tried rereading it. Everything was going swell until book 6. 1 through 5 are still great. Hell, even 6 is still pretty good. However, 6 is when Robert Jordan starts setting up plotlines that I already know will stagnate for the next however many books remain. So it was enjoyable when I didn't know how long it would take to resolve the plots. But less enjoyable when I'm fully aware of it's sluggish pace.
WoT only needed to edited down. That's all. Everything else was fantastic. And Sanderson's contributions to WoT weren't bad. He certainly picked the pace back up. But in retrospect, I probably forgave his bad writing then, because I wanted answer and conclusions. Which Sanderson loves giving. He'll explain everything to the fullest. Sanderson writes for his stupidest reader. Like how teachers teach to their stupidest student.

>Every week you come here asking for Sanderson recommendations
No I don't. Every time I ask for a general recommendation. I don't even remember how I got into the whole Sanderson thing. I think I may have originally piggypacked off another anon's recommendation. I forget. But regardless, I was told to read a few different books all at once. I only asked which is the best order to read them.
>Every time you say “Sanderson is dead to me”.
No, this is the first time I've said it.

>Read (with your own eyes) Bakker.
Again with Bakker. What am I supposed to do? Actually stop everything I'm doing and open text in front of my eyes, and just READ?!
It's probably not worth it anyway. I have your guy's tastes pegged now. You guys are all into warrior type novels. Men going out and killing and doing military shit, and fighting. But not in an interesting way like with the Vorkosigan Saga. You just want the spectacle. Like some kind of boomer Cowboy flick, except set in medieval world or space world.

Let me guess, the prince of nothing's main character is an emotional detached type, with bloodline ties to some special nobility and/or power. And in order to survive, he has to kill. But killing is no big deal to him. It's just something he does. He may be trying to change the status quo in some way. But this involves a journey deep into historic ruins. Where the remnants of an ancient civilization left something important behind that will change everything.

[Anonymous No.17447330]

>>17447314
>midwit
Low testosterone too.

[Anonymous No.17447337]

>>17447326
>this tone
>this exasperation
>this autismo
Chris-Chan, is that you...?

[Anonymous No.17447338]

>>17447326
the main character of the Prince of Nothing is an onions wizard who gets cucked by a chad that takes control of an empire and makes the wizard's oneitis into a baby factory

btw just read BOTNS

[Anonymous No.17447348]

>>17447337
>>17447338
I know you put zero thought into what I said, because I read my own post back. So I know how long abouts it takes to read it. You just came up with rote responses. It's like I'm talking to bots right now.

>just read BOTNS
That's your suggestion to everything. And I did read it just last week. It was only ok. JUST... ok. And that's it.

[Anonymous No.17447349]

>>17447338
Onions Wizard? That’s game of Thrones you retard.

[Anonymous No.17447357]

>>17447348
>That's your suggestion to everything. And I did read it just last week. It was only ok. JUST... ok. And that's it.
OK, move onto real literature then big boy

[Anonymous No.17447360]

>>17447357
>World War history
PAAAASSSSS

[Anonymous No.17447361]

>>17447349
>believing Akka is anything but a fucking simp with no backbone
fucking cringed when Mimara showed up, wagged her pussy around and he was all over it within three chapters, literally kys

[Anonymous No.17447384]

>>17447338
And another thing. Wolfe is a fucking creep and pervert. Every girl that shows up, Severian instantly falls in love with her. Or if he doesn't love her immediately, then he eventually thinks he loves her later. And he was OBSESSED with Dorcas's "childlike" body. He never stopped mentioning how child like Dorcas was. Like, we get it Wolfe, you want to fuck kids, but you can't SAY you want to fuck kids. So you use this adult-child to fulfill you're creepo pedo fantasy.

[Anonymous No.17447385]

>>17447384
filtered

[Anonymous No.17447408]

>>17447361
t. never been happy, never been in love
>Vengeance roamed the halls of the compound - like a God.

[Anonymous No.17447412]

>>17447326
Karen only guessed one thing right about PoN

[Anonymous No.17447422]

>>17447408
Thus spoke Simpathustra.

[Anonymous No.17447434]

>>17447385
Though, I have to give it to him when it came to describing Jolenta. I really believed she was the most beautiful woman in the world. He really went all out with her curves. Like her tits must have been Rachel Aldana tier. And her ass and thighs must have been equally as huge to match. I imagined he as this ultra thick pillowy woman.

[Anonymous No.17447449]

>>17447384
you completely missed the point of the book. let me ask you something, who's perspective are we reading this from?
read a little deeper anon

[Anonymous No.17447451]

>>17447449
So because an author writes from a character's PoV, that means he's completely divorced for the character's perspective? Nah.

[Anonymous No.17447481]

I'll be totally honest. As an ESL, I started lurking here well over 6 years ago. My English wasn't bad, but not good enough for Bakker, so I was content with Sanderson.

Fast forward some years later, I started reading Sanderson Ironically (i.e. making excuses in my head for how bad he was due to my time investment in him) until I finally dropped him. I picked up Bakker again (no longer hard for me to read) and I was mind fucking blown at how amazing and drastically different he truly was.

Until then, I've always thought that Sanderson was the best that modern fantasy had to offer.

[Anonymous No.17447501]

>>17446557
garbage

[Anonymous No.17447509]

This shit just turn in /bakkershit general/, out of here, fuck this rape fetishist.

[Anonymous No.17447518]

>>17446557
>Horns hewn of bone
>assailed the climb
>crepuscular haze of the cavern’s night
purple prose desu. try to evoke more with fewer words.
> awaited, like-to-like, it was not in his blood to fail.
awkward sentence fragment.

i can see the passion, but it comes off as clunky and amateurish. a good exercise for you and other aspiring fantasists might be to try your best to simply describe something extremely simple: a view of a landscape, a meal, a passing memory. again, say more with less. dumping excess verbiage and adjectives steers your writing deep into the purple.

[Anonymous No.17447525]

>>17447509
Cya, literally no one cares :)

[Anonymous No.17447529]

>>17447525
seethe

[Anonymous No.17447535]

>>17447529
Cope :)

[Anonymous No.17447540]

you can pinpoint exactly when this general turned to shit and it was like a week before the newest sanderturd came out and people began to shill bakker ironically

[Anonymous No.17447544]

>>17447540
The Great Bakker-Conquest has been the best thing that’s happened to this general in years.

[Anonymous No.17447552]

Goddamn these threads went to the dogs over the last month or two.

[Anonymous No.17447553]

>>17447540
>implying people read Sanderson unironically

[Anonymous No.17447567]

>>17447544
unironically this

[Anonymous No.17447568]

>>17446557
lol my writing mogs this

also stop capitalising random words it's annoying to read

[Anonymous No.17447569]

[Anonymous No.17447576]

>>17447569
This is unironically how Martin, Rothfuss, and many other hacks do their worldbuilding.

[Anonymous No.17447582]

>>17447576
how do you do world holding?
I usually have a theme or concept I wish to explore and out stuff in the world that will help with that.

[Anonymous No.17447586]

>>17447569
How much of that applies to Malazan?

[Anonymous No.17447592]

>"The very ground reeks of cunny!"

do Bakkerfags really

[Anonymous No.17447602]

>>17447586
litteraly nothing malazan has the opposite problem it's a fucking autists dnd campaign notes and he didn't let his editor cut fuck all.

[Anonymous No.17447605]

>>17447582
literally just be creative, you can LITERALLY write whatever you want, it's your world. Do that for a bit and then run it through a "does this make sense" filter. You can have crazy wacky stuff happening but it makes no sense for example for one country to have guns and another country they've been at war with for centuries to have only swords and horses, they would have reverse enginnered the tech or simply stolen/looted some guns.

If for some reason you want that to be the case you have to justify it which is pretty difficult, you can't really just go "bro their culture says guns are cringe. If you look at real history it doesn't really work that way, another leader or group of people in that country would start to use guns and take over or whatever.

[Anonymous No.17447609]

>>17447586
very little I would say

>>17447592
filtered, he was supposed to represent fat fedora mra antifeminists

[Anonymous No.17447610]

>>17444206
I have. It's good.
>>17446585
The Smoke of Gold is Glory

[Anonymous No.17447613]

>>17444018

It's pretty boring. I unironically like Raboniel though.

[Anonymous No.17447615]

>>17447609
>based Wracu reduced to trifling contemporary metaphor
did you get filtered or did Bakker get filtered by his own story

[Anonymous No.17447616]

today I will remind them

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/917836.shtml

[Anonymous No.17447618]

>tfw you will never read an eyewitness account of the Inchoroi conquest of the Wracu-planet

[Anonymous No.17447620]

>>17447615
I think Bakker might have been trying to earn brownie points with the sjw crowd. I think he's really upset they hate him considering he sees himself as a feminist. Unfortuntely to this day normies do not understand that a character expressing a viewpoint does not mean it is endorsed by the author, that's why they can only read "relatable" characters who are the same sex and race religion worldview etc as them and essentially are carbon copies of the average reader in every way other than their magical abiltiies

[Anonymous No.17447624]

>>17444018
agree

though i accidentally left my copy in an airport so i haven't finished it

[Anonymous No.17447638]

>>17447620
This. Mainstream libtard readers got instantly filtered by Bakker’s nuances, and instead of questioning their own assumptions like he wanted them
to, they threw him to the wolves. Poor old well-meaning misunderstood fucker. Hope he’s restored some his confidence along with the barn.

[Anonymous No.17447639]

>>17447620
>>17447638
Will there ever be an author that doesn't cow to these cretins?

[Anonymous No.17447648]

>>17447357
Hail, my fellow Durrellchad.

[Anonymous No.17447697]

>>17447586
Basically none of it. Malazan has all the cultures and races people rave about otherwise, but reading about them is like slamming your head into a brick wall because it's all so densely packed.

[Anonymous No.17447711]

>>17447553
Yes, and there's nothing you can do to stop me :^)

[Anonymous No.17447789]

>>17447544
Truth shines!

[Anonymous No.17447845]

>>17447711
You need to be 18 to post here.

[Anonymous No.17447899]

>>17446370
It's not about views it's about actions. A faggot shouldn't exist and a woman shouldn't be allowed a speaking role.

[Anonymous No.17447935]

Just finished the Unholy Consult

lol that ending sucked shit but Bakker is alright, he definitely rushed those last few chapters and the glossary is way bigger than it needs to be. TGO and TUC could've been just one book with better editing.

[Anonymous No.17447953]

>>17447935
bakker really wanted that glossary

[Anonymous No.17447961]

>>17447953
only further proof that worldbuildingfags were a mistake

[Anonymous No.17447980]

>>17447845
Not on a blue board you don't, do you even know the rules?

[Anonymous No.17447998]

>>17447980
How old are you?

[Anonymous No.17448016]

>>17447384
here read this
>>17447620
it applies to characters preferences too

[Anonymous No.17448037]

>>17444008
Any books that deal with pre-historic tribes?

[Anonymous No.17448053]

>>17448037
Malazan

[Anonymous No.17448091]

>>17448037
Conan is all about that. Also Kull.

[Anonymous No.17448130]

>>17448053
>>17448091
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.17448174]

>>17447618
Fells badman.

[Anonymous No.17448306]

>>17448130
Malazan is very good. There are a lot of pre-historical events, but the main narrative takes place in a mediaeval world.

[Anonymous No.17448318]

>>17448306
malazan suffers of not having been edited for shit, the whole story could have fit into 5 to 6 books and gain from the thinning.
Still it is full of cool creative ideas.

[Anonymous No.17448400]

>>17448318
I don't see anything that should be cut. I want more.

[Anonymous No.17448457]

>>17448400
God, no. It's way too bloated.

[Anonymous No.17448472]

>>17448457
Nah I want more

[Anonymous No.17448475]

>>17448400
two of the books are litteral side stories
one of the books begins in medias Res of something completely unrelated and only joins the actual plot in a sequel
the bad guys are revealed in the last part of the second to last book we have no idea wtf is even going on before that.
The Tiste are a fuck.
A lot of dialogue can be polished or trimmed the fuck down.
It's not about it not being cool it's about the fact that editing from someone that gave a quantum of a fuck could have made it a lot better.

[Anonymous No.17448479]

>>17448400
toll the hounds is 90% filler

[Anonymous No.17448480]

>>17448475
Nah I like it

[Anonymous No.17448508]

can someone recommend a book about an island?
specificaly about the mystery behind it and the people exploring it

[Anonymous No.17448523]

>>17448480
ok

[Anonymous No.17448524]

>>17448508
treasure island

[Anonymous No.17448531]

>>17448508
You mean like Aldous Huxley's The Island?

[Anonymous No.17448537]

>>17448480
>>17448472
This desu.

[Anonymous No.17448539]

>>17448508
The Island of the Day Before by Umberto Eco

[Anonymous No.17448551]

>>17447639
Yes. Wait til I publish. Be patient.

[Anonymous No.17448592]

>>17448551
you will fuck the second they start talking how your masculine characters show that you have a small peepee

[Anonymous No.17448640]

>>17446832
>delicious delectation
What a hack.

[Anonymous No.17448675]

>>17448508
Sixth of the Dusk

[Anonymous No.17448676]

>>17448640
delectable is literally a word nobody should ever use

[Anonymous No.17448680]

[Anonymous No.17448689]

>>17448592
but I do have a small peepee

[Anonymous No.17448708]

This guy walks up to your gf and calls her "his prize" in the club, what do you do?

[Anonymous No.17448721]

>>17448708
>Weeper

[Anonymous No.17448722]

>>17448708
Pee on my gf

[Anonymous No.17448723]

>>17448708
I poison his drink

[Anonymous No.17448729]

>>17448721

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>>17448733
He hasn’t been answering our text messages for an year.

[Anonymous No.17448768]

>>17448708
Call him a faggot weeper and say I saw papa moe at the club earlier.

[Anonymous No.17448813]

>>17447552
I blame Likaro.

[Anonymous No.17448817]

>>17448813
I said bakkaro a few threads ago and someone didn't get the reference and thought I spelt it wrong..

[Anonymous No.17448836]

>>17444026
>bakkerfag
>trying to do what is good and right
you know how those books work, it is like you are trying to get raped

[Anonymous No.17448862]

[Anonymous No.17448873]

>dude british dry wit lmao
>flashman but Current Year
This is going to be rough.

[Anonymous No.17448908]

>>17446808
>Mistborn-era 2 - the only work of his standard cosmere that i recommend, the characters and settings are pretty good. The shoddy writing of Mistborn-era 1 is absent
why would you just lie like this?

[Anonymous No.17448998]

>>17447618
I think the wracu are engineered like the sranc and bashrag are.
>>17448508
The Blue World by Jack Vance

[Anonymous No.17448999]

>>17448479
Correct

[Anonymous No.17449000]

Why are Sanderson fans so defensive/apologetic when someone feels genuinely left out after the massive Cosmere dump on Rhythm of War? For those that haven’t read other Cosmere books.
>but you don’t need to read the other books.
>Sanderson said you don’t have to.
>seriously, I’ve read it and it adds nothing to the story.
>they are just Easter eggs.

What a load of fucking bullshit. Why do I have to be left out of the story? Even if what you’re saying is true, I still have the right to feel scammed. This is a scummy way to make you buy the other books. Much like EA did with DLC on video games. You also don’t need those, but it’s trashy nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.17449076]

>>17449000
I've never read a single Sanderson book but it sounds to me like you're an idiot who doesn't know you can pick up books for free in a library.

[Anonymous No.17449164]

>>17449076
retard

[Anonymous No.17449181]

>>17449164
You can't get scammed if no money is involved bro

[Anonymous No.17449190]

>>17449181
>You can't get scammed if no money is involved bro
Time is money.

[Anonymous No.17449195]

>>17449190
Time is an illusion. Reject clock, return to monke.

[Anonymous No.17449202]

>>17449195
If time is an illusion, what is money?

[Anonymous No.17449214]

>>17449202
a false god

[Anonymous No.17449218]

>>17449202
Shit.

[Anonymous No.17449307]

>>17444444

[Anonymous No.17449314]

whadup my zeumies

[Anonymous No.17449315]

>>17444142
why are there Janissarries on the cover of the first book? Is it about the Ottomans?

[Anonymous No.17449320]

>>17449315
There's a large crusade in the series.

[Anonymous No.17449377]

>>17449315
it's the first crusade retold

[Anonymous No.17449378]

I've been playing a lot of Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, and I'm wondering if there are any books that touch on some themes from the game: terraforming, empire building, warring empires on a distant planet, politics, etc.

I know there are SMAC books, and I have no interest in reading those. I'm also not interested in books dealing with any kind of SJW bullshit.

[Anonymous No.17449385]

>>17449378
Battletech my man

[Anonymous No.17449393]

>>17449378
I was going to recommend a couple of things but SJW bullshit is in most sci-fi not written by Heinlein so I guess you're shit out of luck. Watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

[Anonymous No.17449424]

>>17449385
>Battletech my man
>>17449393
>Watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
I'm looking for books; not video games or shows.

>>17449393
>I was going to recommend a couple of things
Post them.

[Anonymous No.17449451]

>>17449424
>I'm looking for books
Then read Legend of the Galactic Heroes. The books aren't as good as the anime though.
>post them
The Culture by Iain Banks, The Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson

[Anonymous No.17449460]

>>17449378
Foundation series but I can't remember if there was any SJW stuff.

[Anonymous No.17449467]

>>17449424

[Anonymous No.17449489]

>>17448998
>The Blue World
Literally about no islands.

[Anonymous No.17449521]

>>17449451
>The Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson
This was actually top of my list. How much and what kind of SJW shit is included?

[Anonymous No.17449530]

>>17449460
It was written in the 50s, so likely zero.

[Anonymous No.17449536]

>>17449521
Literal matriarchy.

[Anonymous No.17449541]

>>17449451
>Then read Legend of the Galactic Heroes. The books aren't as good as the anime though.
I'm not interested in manga.

[Anonymous No.17449552]

>>17449541
they are actual books not manga

[Anonymous No.17449560]

>>17449541
Yes. That's why I told you to read the books.

[Anonymous No.17449567]

>>17449536
>Literal matriarchy.
Not too bad. I'm less interested in reading about inclusivity and race-obsessed and/or LGBTQAOMGWTF+=-123? characters trying to find their place in the world.

[Anonymous No.17449578]

>>17449567
Well then read Red Mars, you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.17449582]

>>17449552
>>17449560
I stand corrected.

[Anonymous No.17449626]

>>17449489
What...everything the characters step on is either a lily pad island or a boat.
>>17449521
None. It's experimental cool matriarchy, not retarded men-are-evil matriarchy. And it doesn't pop up in Red Mars anyway, and Red Mars is the best novel of the series anyway so just read that.

[Anonymous No.17449689]

>>17444008
This is a general. It's not supposed to be about any specific book or series. Those spamming any author or series should make their own dedicated thread. It would probably help everyone involved a lot.

[Anonymous No.17449692]

>>17449688
>>17449688
>>17449688
>>17449688
>>17449688

[Anonymous No.17449693]

>>17449626
>None. It's experimental cool matriarchy, not retarded men-are-evil matriarchy. And it doesn't pop up in Red Mars anyway, and Red Mars is the best novel of the series anyway so just read that.
Thanks. Is the rest of the series worth the time?

[Anonymous No.17449705]

>>17449693
Do you want to see the actual terraforming taking effect? Because it's going to take a while

[Anonymous No.17449729]

>>17449689
Not really, no.

[Anonymous No.17449930]

>>17449626
Neither boats nor lilypads are islands. And the latter are all too small and known to be about discovery in the way the questioner sought.

[Anonymous No.17450599]

>>17448508
Mysterious Island by jules verne