Philosophy in videogames

[Anonymous No.17035226]

Hey! I'm a spanish teacher in high school, and i'm working with some 15-18yo students interested in videogames. Have any idea about any videogame that could be philosophical but not too-deep for them?
I thought in I have no mouth and I must scream, The Witness, Detroit Become Human., Talos Principle, even The stanley parable, but im dry.

[Anonymous No.17035237]

>>17035226
SOMA might do.

[Anonymous No.17035259]

>>17035226
Night in the Woods has a lot of existentialism.
Deus Ex and Deus Ex: Invisible War have a lot of political philosophy.
SOMA is about philosophy of mind.

[Anonymous No.17035267]

>>17035226
Bioshock

[Anonymous No.17035268]

>>17035226
You can try asking /v/ as well, but maybe try Disco Elysium or Planescape:Torment?

[Anonymous No.17035271]

>>17035268
Seconding Planescape: Torment, it has some metaphysics.

[Anonymous No.17035278]

>>17035226
Be based.
Rec Earthbound.

[Anonymous No.17035296]

>>17035278
i thought about it but i dont want to create any trauma
>>17035268
disco elysium is great, but pretty slow-paced and id like that they would be able to play it or see a gameplay, so im looking for more "direct" games.
>>17035267
good one

[Anonymous No.17035303]

No such thing as a “too deep” video game, philosophically speaking (yet).

[Anonymous No.17035306]

>>17035226
Metal Gear Solid 2 has Nietzschean and postmodernist themes.

[Anonymous No.17035315]

>>17035303
>Hasn't played 90% of good video games and also barely reads philosophy

[OP No.17035334]

>>17035303
i mean deep for someone who doesnt have any interest in philosophy (worst case escenario, thinking in the worst alumn in class) can think about it.
In other hand, i'd love an Object oriented ontology-oriented videogame
>>17035306
Yep, good catch. Also Death stranding could do the trick.

[Anonymous No.17035353]

Skyrim

[Anonymous No.17035423]

>>17035226
the beginner's guide

[Anonymous No.17035461]

>>17035226
Revengeance

[Anonymous No.17035477]

pathologic 2 is great but it might be too much for a classroom

[Anonymous No.17035493]

>>17035306
No wonder reddit people love it
Anyway, what makes it so much more 'post-modernist' than MGS1?

[Anonymous No.17035497]

>>17035315
I'm not him but I do both of those things and he's right. Games only touch philosophical themes on a very superficial level. Even the dialogues in Deus Ex are not that deep, just a bunch of edgy teen shit that you read in /x/. In the end, games must sell and appeal to a vast group of people. What most people want in a game? They want to play and have fun after a day of work.
Gamers wanting their games to be accepted as philosophical and artistic masterpieces are so cringe. They should just pick an actual artistic hobby if they want to be taken seriously so bad.

[Anonymous No.17035506]

>>17035226
Problem is you'll have to go mostly for older games... practically all the new ones are "action packed" soul sucking voids

I second Deus Ex, also Witcher 3 does not talk about philosophy in general but has a certain kind of air about it and a few examples of classic personal/interpersonal dilemmas

[Anonymous No.17035508]

>>17035226
Rain world does some fun stuff with the concept of reincarnation, although that might be more appropriate for religious studies rather than philosophy.

[Anonymous No.17035527]

>>17035226
Remember Me (2010)

[Anonymous No.17035539]

>>17035497
I'll never understand what makes people seek truths in film and video games. Every time there's a historical inaccuracy in a movie people go apeshit, as if some blockbuster release by Schlomo Bergstein Productions should be expected to uphold historical facts.
These fuckers don't even comprehend the limitations of the shitty mediums they waste their time on

[Anonymous No.17035570]

>>17035497
Did you like had a hard day of work and now your brain is kinda lagging or smth?

[Anonymous No.17035580]

>>17035226
>high school philosophy teacher
cringe, teachers and psychiatrists are criminals

[Anonymous No.17035739]

>>17035721
did you reply to the wrong post? anyways, for deus ex i'd have to agree, especially with that mopheus conversation but invisible war really didnt have much to say

[Anonymous No.17035743]

>>17035497 #
>but I do both of those things
Sure you do.
>Even the dialogues in Deus Ex are not that deep, just a bunch of edgy teen shit that you read in /x/.
No, Deus Ex and Deus Ex: Invisible War are masterful applications of political philosophy to art.
t. philosophy student, who knows philosophy grad students who agree with me

[Anonymous No.17035752]

>>17035739
Yeah I did. Phone fuck up, here's repost: >>17035743

[Anonymous No.17035769]

>>17035493
The stuff after Raiden gets captured is really postmodernist. Deconstructs the medium, makes allusions to Nietzschean perspectivism, etc.

[Anonymous No.17035794]

>>17035226
SOMA, remember to shame anyone that says he didn't see the twist coming
Fate/Extra for stuff about living despite lack of purpose, chuuni games in general really
Consider itch.io there's something good there, probably
Also ask on /v/

[Anonymous No.17035814]

>>17035226
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.17035822]

>>17035226
Undertale
It has bunch of stuff about responsibilities and doing stuff just because you can depending on route

[Anonymous No.17035825]

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>>17035814
soi

[Anonymous No.17035834]

>>17035822
Yeah honestly Undertale is a decent exploration of ethics. I get strong Kantian vibes from the genocide route.

[Anonymous No.17035867]

>>17035226
Nier Replicant
Nier Automata
MGS2

[Anonymous No.17035870]

>>17035743
>No, Deus Ex and Deus Ex: Invisible War are masterful applications of political philosophy to art.
The shit the people on this board says sometimes.
>t. philosophy student, who knows philosophy grad students who agree with me
Anyone who's taking a "philosophy degree" isn't a functioning adult.

[Anonymous No.17035883]

>>17035743
Oh, I see. You are just a pseud midwit who wants to justify his shitty useless degree. Do you find /x/ discussions to be masterful applications of political philosophy to imageboards too?
Anyway, I hope you know how to serve coffee.

[Anonymous No.17035929]

>>17035870
>Anyone who's taking a "philosophy degree" isn't a functioning adult.
>>17035883
>You are just a pseud midwit who wants to justify his shitty useless degree.
I highly doubt the claims about this poster's education.
>>17035226
There are things you can do with videogames in a literature class, especially when discussing drama. But for philosophy, just stick to texts and discussions. Whatever philosophical insight you can get from video games (like the philosophy of mind tidbit in SOMA) isn't unique to them and it's not very time effective to go through everything in the game that isn't the philosophical tidbit.

[Anonymous No.17035935]

>>17035226

[Anonymous No.17035946]

Subarashiki Hibi.
deals with Wittgenstein, might fly over their heads, though

[Anonymous No.17035951]

>>17035226
MGS 2
Minecraft

[Anonymous No.17036221]

>>17035883
Lol it's another /lit/ autodidact. Keep reading Guenon.

[Anonymous No.17036256]

>>17035929
>I highly doubt the claims about this poster's education.
If this is the case, I highly doubt you have any formal philosophy training. I mean, ask me questions if you want to test me; I've taken ancient philosophy, 19th century philosophy, an advanced formal logic course, etc. Most people who dismiss stuff like Deus Ex are pseudointellectuals trying to make themselves look smart.

[Anonymous No.17036281]

>>17036221
Being a humanities autodidact has never been easier to the point it made universities obselete, even university lectures are available for free. They are only feasible if you want to follow the academia path but the chances to make it there are almost as low as playing for the Eagles or Real Madrid.
Keep giving money to college scam though. You will learn about supply and demand that way.

[Anonymous No.17036288]

Call of duty

[Anonymous No.17036297]

>>17036256
>Most people who dismiss stuff like Deus Ex are pseudointellectuals trying to make themselves look smart
Or adults who made it past their edgy teen phase

[Anonymous No.17036298]

>>17036281
>Le supply and demand
Why is Marx living rent free in your head?

[Anonymous No.17036306]

>>17035226
NieR: Automata is a good one although pretty midwit
Tyranny I've heard is like that

You honestly aren't going to get much outside the "M" category which parents will hate you for though, and most of the "philosophical story" games are from the 80s and 90s

[Anonymous No.17036316]

>>17036297
No, just pseudointellectuals trying to make themselves look smart. Read a book.

[Anonymous No.17036325]

>>17036256
Can you tell us precisely what in Deus Ex is an interesting application of political philosophy to art?
Because right now, without knowing what you believe, all we can do is shit-sling at each other.

[Anonymous No.17036326]

>>17035825
All mass replyer's should be shot on sight

[Anonymous No.17036335]

>>17036298
>Economics 101 concept is Marxism
That shit is as old as the Bible

[Anonymous No.17036384]

>>17036325
The endings are questions about the legitimacy of political authority. Read literally the Helios ending is technocracy but really it's more of a theocracy. In IW it's made more clear that it's a Plato-inspired theocratic technocracy. Tong's ending is radical autonomism of the anarchist kind, for instance what you would find in Wolff's "In Defense of Anarchism". The Illuminati ending is inspired by Mill, which again is made more clear in the sequel. Also Morpheus is probably influenced by Nietzsche and Baudrillard.
The games makes further references to Aquinas and Augustine but I confess I do not know enough about them.

[Anonymous No.17036395]

>>17035493
MGS2 only works in context of 1, they are inseparable

[Anonymous No.17036400]

Ico + Shadow of the Collossus with discussion of video games as an artform or form of story telling

Vampire the Masquerade

Metroid, with student creating their own plan to handle the X-parasyte metroid xr388 planet ecosystem balance as a outside force

[Anonymous No.17036402]

>>17035237
Fpbp holy shit

[Anonymous No.17036403]

>>17036384
So, they name-drop. I can get, therefore, how it could be fun to read as a philosophy student.
What are the actual philosophical beliefs of the game? What does it argue or try to prove?

[Anonymous No.17036406]

>>17036384
Also the games cite Foucault but again I don't know enough about him to judge.

[Anonymous No.17036424]

>>17036316
I have read several, that's why I think Deus Ex isn't deep. The story and dialogues were as if they were written by Alex Jones and Roger Ver.

[Anonymous No.17036441]

>>17036403
It has some anticapitalist themes but beyond that it doesn't try to argue for anything since Warren Spector specifically wanted the writers to avoid doing so in order to preserve the game's focus on player choice. It makes arguments for each of the three endings though.
And no, it doesn't namedrop half of those philosophers. I just recognize the influence. And for many of the ones it does name, it inserts quotes in thematically appropriate places, not merely namedrops.

[Anonymous No.17036452]

>>17036424
Wow you've read several books, congrats.

[Anonymous No.17036458]

>>17036441
Seems kind of shallow to me. I can get how you might like it, but I'm not sure that's reasonable to do for a class environment.

[Anonymous No.17036481]

>>17035226
>Videogames not /v/
>Philosophy not /his/
The state of you morons

[Anonymous No.17036512]

>>17036441
>some anticapitalist themes
where this specifically?
as far as i remember the hong kong part is very pro capitalism
that even based bartender gives you his politcal thoughts
and towards the end the helios ai stops the triads and opens up free trade again

[Anonymous No.17036523]

>>17036481
you honestly think /v/ could last 4 posts before turning the thread to absolute shit?

[Anonymous No.17036530]

>>17036384
Amazing. I suppose getting tricked into going to college to study an useless degree really paid off. You get to understand philosophical references in videogames! (That everyone also can by skimming Wikipedia btw)

[Anonymous No.17036550]

>>17036523
At least on /v/ people know how to discuss video games. It's only here on /lit/ that I see desperate people wanting games to be this very deep philosophical artworks, like the next "Critique of pure reason" or some shit

[Anonymous No.17036551]

>>17036512
Well Paul outright calls the Illuminati's rule "19th century capitalism", for starters. And this is named as a downside, i.e. it's a "but" after the pros of that ending.
You're right about the bartender though. But I think that was put in as a contrasting perspective. The bartender also praises authoritarian rule if I recall.

[Anonymous No.17036565]

>>17036384
>The endings are questions about the legitimacy of political authority.
Just because something made you think about a philosophical idea, doesn't make it a philosophical idea / argument you obviously unsophisticated consoomer of cultural goods.

[Anonymous No.17036567]

>>17036550
Nobody is saying that Deus Ex is Critique of Pure Reason. It just uses philosophy well for an artistic purpose. Nobody should be playing video games (or watching movies, or reading most fiction) to learn philosophy; that's a strawman. You go to the texts for that.

[Anonymous No.17036568]

>>17036550
>At least on /v/ people know how to discuss video games
lel. /v/ doesn't play games just like /lit/ doesn't read. I tried discussing a game there and half the people arguing with me said they hadn't played it but still knew it was shit.

[Anonymous No.17036581]

>>17036550
>At least on /v/ people know how to discuss video games
Ahh, I see you've never been on /v/ before.

[Anonymous No.17036586]

>>17036565
Did you read the rest of the post? Or are you unable to read anything harder than Guenon's schizoshit?

[Anonymous No.17036691]

>>17035226
Fromsoftware games come to mind, since ''souls'' games have (neo)platonic themes.
For example, Bloodborne could be interpreted as an allegory for gnosticism, with picrel being the demiurge, while insight the reminiscence of the Forms.
On the other hand, it can be said that the Undead from Dark Souls posses schopenhauerian will or are Proclus' non-participated beings.

[Anonymous No.17036709]

>>17036691
That's interesting, never considered those interpretations.

[Anonymous No.17036722]

>>17035226
sid meier's alpha centauri

[Anonymous No.17036745]

>>17035226
World of Warcraft

[Anonymous No.17036772]

>>17036523
Copied OPs thread to /v/ to test this hypothesis. I was surprised by the results. Similar recs with none of the posturing. /v/ > /lit/
>>>/v/536377598

[Anonymous No.17036837]

>>17036772
Those are decent recommendations. Seconding Spec Ops.

[Anonymous No.17036849]

>>17036586
It is the response to your whole post. Didn't your philosophy professor warn you about not reading into things too much? Because you see things that aren't there (or you're just talking out of your ass hoping nobody remember the game).

[Anonymous No.17036871]

>>17036849
They're there lol. The games have a bunch of quotes and text excerpts of most of said philosophers.

[Anonymous No.17036919]

>>17036871
>The games have a bunch of quotes and text excerpts of most of said philosophers.
And it doesn't do anything of its own with them.

[Anonymous No.17036934]

>>17036919
Yes it does you pretentious fuck. Please tell me where Augustine said we need to build God out of silicon.

[Anonymous No.17036961]

>>17036934
Not that guy, but you literally said, "it doesn't have its own perspective, as it wants to allow for individuals' choices."
I don't see how you can act as if he's wrong for believing what you told him desu.

[Anonymous No.17036981]

>>17036961
I was referring to how it doesn't argue for just Augustine, or just Mill, or just anarchism, etc. It gives its own spins on each ending though.

[Anonymous No.17036995]

>CTRL F "Fallout 1"
>0 results
Sad.

[Anonymous No.17037000]

>>17035226
Warcraft III has alot of gnosticism/satanism. Actually many games have this in common. Amnesia the Dark Descent and Bioshock come to mind.

[Anonymous No.17037002]

>>17036934
it's all tired sci-fi tropes, not philosophical arguments you grandiose twat

[Anonymous No.17037010]

>>17037002
You didn't even play the game, did you?

[Anonymous No.17037016]

>>17036995
the punchline could be better on this pic, it was going so well and it got ruined

[Anonymous No.17037026]

>>17036981
That said I think it might have an overall argument it's making. It seems distrustful of authority but also has the motif of technology being seen as divine.

[Anonymous No.17037049]

>>17037010
Not the one you constructed in your head clearly. It must be a philosophical masterpiece that Deus Ex clearly isn't.

[Anonymous No.17037060]

>>17035226
>Spanish teacher
Metal gear phantom pain

[Anonymous No.17037082]

>>17037049
I've actually emailed the main writer (Sheldon Pacotti) and we discussed some of the philosophy of the game. You're just a pretentious prick.
Standing by my earlier claim: the games explicity name Plato, Aquinas, Mill, de Tocqueville, Foucault, and some critical theory (the Silhouette dude). I further infer anarchist and Augustinian philosophy. There's really no stretch here.

[Anonymous No.17037122]

For those of you who bring SOMA up: how do you find any philosophical merit to that game? I played it myself and found that the concept worked well in context of a horror game, but to give it any philosophical merit just seems ludicrous to me.

[Anonymous No.17037137]

>>17037082
I just understand the difference between name dropping and active discussion. I know when something is explicitly referenced and when it just makes me think of something. Unlike novice philosophy students who are in love with a video game, so they attribute non-existing features to it. There's no more philosophy in Deus Ex there is in Judge Dredd. You can write essays about Foucault's thought in it too, doesn't mean it's there.

[Anonymous No.17037148]

>>17035226
Unrelated, but speaking from the "video games are art" angle, there are few games that actually give you deep feelings and I would even say teach a lesson on par with books if you stick with them. They might be obscure but what comes to mind for me is Pathologic 2 and outer wilds (not outer worlds).

Pathologic 2 is an interesting exploration of upholding your morals when duty calls. You are tasked as a healer for a plague that ravages a mysterious town in the steppe. And unlike games where you are simply choose the bad and good option because you have an omnipotent place in the game world, pathologic forces you to make sure your character too gets to feed himself, sleep, take medicine and take care of others at the top of that. It's really interesting because the game doesn't force you directly into anything but in the end you will butcher the sick at night in hopes of extracting a cure from their organs just because a rumor said so. Or you will be looting other citizens in hope of finding bread. It's quite difficult at times but it's really engaging and you get really engrossed into trying to find the cure for the plague.


Outer wilds is on the other hand a knowledge based game. Don't think of it being structured like a series of puzzles. The game simulates a solar system with accurate real life physics where you are stuck in a time loop after your sun exploded that sends you half an hour backwards in time. You don't have an explicit goal in that game, and rather are expected to make own yourself. Be that finding out why the sun explodes every 30 minutes, why are you being send in time, exploring other planets, etc. Now don't read anything more about it if you want to play it because the game is in 100% knowledge based. If you know where to go you can complete it in 15 minutes, but playing it you actually have a really good time exploring various concepts like mortality and nihilism. It nails down perfectly the feeling of the world being this uncaring mechanical being that doesn't care if you fall into its cogs and squish yourself in them. It even has extremely well done emotional beats that aren't in any way predetermined. You can explore the whole game in any sequence you like.

[Anonymous No.17037174]

>>17037137
Clearly you don't, since as I said it explicitly names some philosophers. In fact let's do some philosophy and show that you're arguing two mutually contradictory theses:
P1: Deus Ex namedrops philosophers a lot.
P2: You are reading philosophy into a work that doesn't have it, just because it made you think of philosophy.
I can't be reading philosophy into a work when it's literally stated in the text as per premise 1. Dumbfuck.

[Anonymous No.17037185]

>>17037174
>P1: Deus Ex namedrops philosophers a lot.
>P2: You are reading philosophy into a work that doesn't have it, just because it made you think of philosophy.
>I can't be reading philosophy into a work when it's literally stated in the text as per premise 1. Dumbfuck.
Wow, you really didn't get it did you? lmao

[Anonymous No.17037215]

>>17037185
You're wasting my time, bye.

[Anonymous No.17037228]

>>17035226
Holy fucking shit, look at all of these fags recommending child games.

This is why /lit/ is fucking crap and why, in general, all fags from this website are a bunch of pseuds and retards. Thinking there are deep philosophical themes in videogames is literally the most pseud crap there is. Fucking Bioshock? Because you liked le epic ayn rand references?

Go fuck yourselves you unbelievable dumb and worthless bastards. I really don't understand how you think of yourselves as superior to "normies" who use social media yet you behave exactly the same way, quoting wikipedia and getting all your knowledge by googling "plato world of ideas what is".

>>17037148
This stupid retard is yet another guy wo thinks of himself smart because he probably realised this game existed by youtube or another social media website.

Pls actually read instead of playing as if you were a 5 year old. If not kys.

[Anonymous No.17037243]

Basically, by mixing philosophy and vidya your making a fundamental error. You are a dysfunctional instructor

[Anonymous No.17037245]

>>17037174
>>17037215
Before you go, look at this thoughtful work of philosophy. lmao

[Anonymous No.17037251]

>>17037228
did video games kill your parents or something?

[Anonymous No.17037269]

>>17035226
Knights of the Old Republic II
Mandatory viewing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z0S0Z8lUTg

[Anonymous No.17037278]

>>17037228
Across the atlantic I can taste the blood of your butthurt anon, calm down

[Anonymous No.17037290]

>>17036995
unreadable

[Anonymous No.17037292]

>>17037245
Yes mugs are well known for their narrative-driven conflicts and political commentary, bravo on the false analogy.

[Anonymous No.17037327]

>>17037292
now revisit your "contradiction" brainlet, that's what I was making fun of, too bad you need this pointed out explicitly like a slow retard

[Anonymous No.17037340]

>>17035226
Pathologic 2, pic related. very philosophical but it might be too "deep". same goes for The Void, same devs. very philosophical but it may be too much for your students.
there is the game Knock Knock which was also by the same devs, its a small 2D game about insomnia and mental illness, and how a home is a manifestation of ones brain and psyche. its pretty simple and easy to understand.

[Anonymous No.17037351]

>>17037251
No but they killed so many fun activities that you could you among your friends. Now you can't even sing or dance, it's considered cringy or being a tryhard, whatever that means. Luckily I don't live in shitty USA or the gay part of Europe, but I'm afraid that this will go on and eventually we will have a population full of faggots who can't socialize.

>>17037278
Shut the fuck up stupid nigger, you shitty attempt at making a "witty" funny joke is an "epic fail xD" as you would say when you were a child browsing this website just some years ago. Fucking kill yourself retard and go play your shitty games while complaining why facebook fags and instathots are so inferior to you.

[Anonymous No.17037359]

>>17037327
I get the feeling you've never serious philosophy. Summarize CPR in 1 sentence or I'm right.

[Anonymous No.17037365]

>>17037359
>never serious
*never read serious

[Anonymous No.17037371]

>>17037351
>No but they killed so many fun activities that you could you among your friends. Now you can't even sing or dance, it's considered cringy or being a tryhard, whatever that means. Luckily I don't live in shitty USA or the gay part of Europe, but I'm afraid that this will go on and eventually we will have a population full of faggots who can't socialize.
Unironically, not even joking you sound like a flamingly self-hating closeted homo.

[Anonymous No.17037375]

>>17037340
seconding P2 and The Void

[Anonymous No.17037379]

>>17037290
Get some glasses and step away from your phone to the computer.
If this doesnt help apply picrelated.

[Anonymous No.17037396]

Should I play pathologic before pathologic 2? I thought I'd heard that 2 was somewhat of a remake.

[Anonymous No.17037395]

>>17037359
>noooooo I feel so stupid for writing that dumb thing let me make some more unsubstantiated claims to make myself feel better and distract from the fact that I just failed at basic logic
I will not waste any more of your precious time.

[Anonymous No.17037403]

>>17037395
Never read Kant, got it.
And that contradiction remains a contradiction BTW.

[Anonymous No.17037447]

>>17037396
2 is absolutley a remake, but it is also a sequal in certain aspects,
I do think playing the first game will enhance your experience of the second, but I dont think anyone will blame you for jumping straight to the second.
The gameplay is slow, mundane and boring, the atmosphere feels like you're in a constand fever dream, the writing can be hard to understand at times, and despite all of this I think its an amazing game.
If you do try P1, know that there are 3 routes so to speak, you have the option to play as 1 of 3 different characters. each route is about 20-30 hours long. P2 currently only has 1 route, the Haruspex, the other routes are still being developed and will be added in the future. I recommend you play as the Bachelor in P1, its the most well designed route and some would say has the best story.
After that, go to P2, and once you finish that then you can go back and finish the remaining 2 routes in the first game. I think this is the currently the best playing order for Pathologic.

[Anonymous No.17037457]

>>17037371
See? You stupid faggot, thinking that dancing and singing is gay while you fap to traps and probably buy "masturbation toys" since your dick was mutilated. This is why the West is decaying, because of shy timid retards like you who are afraid of talking to the girl at the gym's counter.

[Anonymous No.17037481]

>>17035226
We Happy Few for dystopian fiction. I used it for my 12th graders (17-18 yo). We didn't play it in class but we talked about it.

[Anonymous No.17037493]

>>17037457
>You stupid faggot, thinking that dancing and singing is gay while you fap to traps
you totally sound like a projecting closeted gay basher

[Anonymous No.17037499]

>>17037447
So is the Haruspex route not present in the first game? thanks for the reply by the way, I'll follow your guide.

[Anonymous No.17037519]

>>17037403
>And that contradiction remains a contradiction BTW.
think about it some more you complex ridden pseud
>>17037403
>Never read Kant, got it.
who was just calling anons pretentious for not thinking his favorite video game was a work of philosophy

[Anonymous No.17037536]

>>17037493
Just like I predicted, more "you hate them then that means you must be them" shit all 50 year old women say. At least I'm glad you know what self-projection is thanks to wikipedia.

[Anonymous No.17037567]

>>17037536
you do a lot of angry >implying anon, I just pointed out what you sound like, and boy do you sound like it

[Anonymous No.17037578]

>>17037519
I didn't say it was a work of philosophy, just that it uses philosophy.
Summarize CPR or you're the pseud. Not responding again until you do.

[Anonymous No.17037596]

>>17037567
what the fuck does that even mean? You can't even write properly without spouting memes. Implying what? Go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.17037601]

>>17037596
stop posting like a flaming faggot

[Anonymous No.17037602]

>>17035226
>>>/vg/

[Anonymous No.17037613]

>>17037601
More memes. You are retarded.

[Anonymous No.17037616]

>>17037613
more seething hysterical faggot

[Anonymous No.17037629]

>>17037499
The Haruspex is present in the first game, in the first game you have The Bachelor, The Haruspex and The Changeling. The story spans across 12 days, and through each route you get to see each characters perspective of those 12 days. In P2, you only have The Haruspex, but The Bachelor and Changeling are present in the story and you interact with them on numerous occasions. The same goes for P1, you spend quite a bit of time interacting with the other characters, this is to enhance the sense of a parallel narrative. As the Bachelor, The Haruspex may tell you about something that happened to him the day before, as the Haruspex you will then see those events yourself on that day. This is technically present in P2, for example there is one part of the game where the Bachelor tells you about troubles he's having with the graveyard, and that there is not enough space to fit all of the corpses. I have no doubts that once the Bachelor route is released we will be able to witness and deal with this problem first hand as the Bachelor.

[Anonymous No.17037648]

>>17037578
>I didn't say it was a work of philosophy, just that it uses philosophy.
You moved the goalpost too much, that makes me 100% correct from the start.
>>17037578
>Summarize CPR or you're the pseud. Not responding again until you do.
Thank you for your time, not doing your homework for you though.

[Anonymous No.17037652]

>130replies

this board is terminal

[Anonymous No.17037685]

>>17037629
Neat, I've always been interested in the series but never took the plunge cause of my immediate confusion over the whole remake situation, but that all makes sense.

[Anonymous No.17037703]

>>17037685
on a side note, the reason there is only the Haruspex route in 2 is due to a financial crisis in Russia, it caused a lot of problems for the studio. Its the reason they have to release the routes episodically rather than all at release.

[Anonymous No.17037726]

>>17037060
Underrated

[Anonymous No.17037795]

i'm surprized no one has suggested INSIDE. its a regard on servitude and free will. the game is kind enough not to give you obvious conclusions and have secret a ending that adds to the understanding of the plot. The game is quite grim and can be a little too cryptic on its story btw, but as philosophical games goes, this one gets a high recommendation from me.

[Anonymous No.17037872]

>>17035461
based

[Anonymous No.17037882]

>>17037795
This may be it op. Short and invites discussion about control.

I'll add the swapper, sci fi puzzle game about consciousness.

[Anonymous No.17037981]

>>17037795
I found LIMBO very meh, is this one much better?

[Anonymous No.17037987]

>>17037882
>swapper, sci fi puzzle game about consciousness.
oh yeah, it actually name drops Dennett and Chalmers as characters, though it puts stupid shit in their mouths

[Anonymous No.17038187]

final fantasy tactics has an interesting moral dichotomy between the main characters that is worth examining

[Anonymous No.17038269]

>>17035226
They're smarter than you are. Everything you listed is fucking trash. Deus Ex is the only game you should be showing them. It's certainly the most relevant.

[Anonymous No.17038299]

>>17038269
>stanley parable
>trash
someone get me the GEP gun.

[Anonymous No.17038515]

OP, consider giving them trolley problem, having them play One Shot(preferably the old one) and give it again afterwards but with Nico plastered on the single dude
Then ask anyone if their choice changed and if so why, if not ask them if the choice was as easy as first time
Shit's easy, fast and good way of breaching the topic, it's even free with old version

[Anonymous No.17038716]

In all seriousness, The Elder Scrolls.

[Anonymous No.17038785]

>>17035226
OP, the youtube channel has a series called "The Philosophy of__"
im fairly sure they tackle some video games in there. might want to check them out.

[Anonymous No.17038842]

>>17036691
>Literally almost every jrpg is an allegory for Gnosticism tho

[Anonymous No.17038938]

>>17036326
>>17036326
>>17036326
>>17036326
>>17036326
>>17036326
based

[Anonymous No.17039128]

>>17035825
Dilate

[Anonymous No.17039199]

>>17035226
Wonderful Everyday

[Anonymous No.17039243]

Unless you plan on telling them to read a book after making the video game comparison this is a stupid exercise. By using video games their short attention span will pay even less attention because they’ll be thinking about playing more matches of Among Us or something. Give them a good entry level philosopher like one of the greeks and distill it for them. It wont go over their heads and will actually help them understand what philosophy is even if they dont get all of it. If you REALLY want to use media use a fucking movie, video games will give them a terrible interpretation and introduction

[Anonymous No.17039262]

>>17039243
Also eveb if you suggest anything decent have fun getting assblasted by the school or the board for showing something they dont want or some bitchy parent getting uppity

[Anonymous No.17040636]

Video games are dog shit for philosophic insight. Just how retarded and superficial has this gay earth become that video games are used as a source of wisdom. Most video games are a bad source of knowledge, let alone wisdom. Fucking manchildren and underage morons who can't handle good literature or actually think up of something themselves so they comfort their dumb barely conscious minds by thinking vidya is a good and perfectly legitimate way to attain wisdom.

[Anonymous No.17040671]

>>17035226
Bioshock

[Anonymous No.17040677]

>>17036288
Black ops storyline unironically

[Anonymous No.17040838]

>>17035226
The Christchurch Doom wad

[Anonymous No.17041417]

>>17038842
also Silent Hill series

[Anonymous No.17041621]

>>17040636
ok boomer

[Anonymous No.17041729]

>>17035226
Dark Souls

[Anonymous No.17042483]

>>17038716
What is Chim meant to represent in actual mysticism? Zero Sum is clearly something like Henosis or Theosis, Chim im not sure about.

[Anonymous No.17042493]

>>17036691
What would the Formless Oedon represent in Bloodborne then? The Divine intellect?

[Anonymous No.17043399]

>>17041621
I'm 20. I enjoy some video games, they can be a good escape (which is arguable if it is a good or bad thing), but giving them philosophical value is something only children and manchildren would do. The former should stop visiting this place, the latter should kill themselves.

[Anonymous No.17043424]

>>17039243
Finally someone said it. If you can't get a child to read a book, they never will. There is no gateway drug for philosophy, so don't expect that somehow you'll convince them to take this further and actually put in the effort to study a real text.

[Anonymous No.17043448]

age of empires 2