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Why are muses traditionally female? And do they really work to inspire one's writing?

>> No.15970172

>>15970158
>Why are simps traditionally male?

>> No.15970186

>>15970158
Because writers are traditionally male.

>> No.15970189

>>15970172
>what are groupies

>> No.15970247

>>15970158
Muse is just the artistic word for mistress.

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It’s an allegory For what inspiration feels like.
It’s like falling in love, being seduced. The physical woman creates a life, the muse creates a piece of art.

>> No.15970270

>>15970158
Ask hesiod

>> No.15970280

>>15970262
>The physical woman creates a life, the muse creates a piece of art.
You're quite profound today. Have a (You)

>> No.15970284
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>>15970158
Writing a story about a guy whose a hobo artist, 1919 boardwalk America. One day he meets this really regal chick and makes her his muse. But we find out that that day she, a cleaning lady, Who was finished interviewing for a new chimney sweep, was done with her chores in her absent masters home and decided to wear her mistresses clothes and walk on the boardwalk. She puts on a whole show for this dude and becomes addicted. Unfortunately her Masters come back from the alps soon so she’s trying to figure out how to keep this going. This drives to almost complete nervous breakdown trying to figure it out, and even went about writing hundreds of crumpled letters in imitation fancy handwriting telling him she wanted to continue this through letters but her handwriting isn’t passable. Meanwhile, unbeknownst to her, the artist knows who she is, from the begining. And when he saw her in her in her masters dress his heart broke, being poor and destitute, knows the feeling of yearning for something greater. She decides she doesn’t want to live anymore and would rather end her life in the image she thinks she made in his mind. Her Masters come early, foiling her plans. She just tries to forget about him and to her bewilderment hes disappeared. She relieved but also mad. She day dreams about what it would have been, while having nightmares of him in Paris drawing nudes of rich wealthy women, because he’s such a suave talker. The masters notice her behavior as she continues fucking up in things. They suspect she’s pregnant which makes her more depressed. The masters warn her that they will have to replace her if she continues to fuck up. Then one day Master calls her down from upstairs where she folds her mistresses dresses. Master wants her to meet the new chimney sweep, who will be staying in the extra bedroom across the landing from her downstairs for the next 9 months.

>> No.15970353
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Because the masculine is the artist.
Subjection, gazing and peering, conduction, construction, arrangement, Will, execution, ACT itself... is the 'masculine'.
The Feminine is object of Will's acting.
The Canvas, the mixing bowl of creation, the formless, the ineffable, the black sun, the objects of our dreams, the dawn, the horizon, our comfort and protection—and all our uncertain anxieties.
Thus 'she' is both the formless and post-formed (the canvas and the art); the art that is all reality, perpetually becoming and ceasing.
The One is beyond being, from him he is willing beinglessness (matter) away from himself (perhaps a transcendent rejection of transsexualism/Androgyny), In-Between is God seated holding all apart and all together, in-between is One-Being, between two nothingless voids.
>If therefore we are “stepping into the void” when we speak this way, then “stepping into the void” also has two meanings, the one falls out of speech into the Ineffable, and the other falls into what has no kind of existence at all. The latter is also ineffable, as Plato says, but in an inferior way, while the former is so in a superior way.
This is also one reason why we can't accept absolute divine simplicity as the sole attribute of the One, if if it is one definition it is has to be simultaneously rejected with 'the Ineffable Triad', and yet affirmed.
Two sides of the Feminine attracting the two sides of the Masculine. But whether there's real actual distinction between absolute matter and the absolute one is another question we don't dare asking, one can postulate that the difference is within the Eye of Apollo's divine Providence (Triad of One-Being, Monad, and Dyad and shine as the One).

>> No.15970386

>>15970284
Is the new chimney sweep the artist cause that would be nice— especially if they get away from the city and start a family somewhere near the mountains.

>> No.15970535

>>15970386
I was thinking more like, the masters are an elderly couple who couldn’t have kids so they just banked a lot of money, super wealthy. Anyway, the moment she realizes it’s the artist she sorta collapses into a crying fit. The mistress is like Wtf is wrong with this woman, and the master apologizes, but the artist just picks her up and starts kissing her, he’s really about that life. The masters are now, wtf is going on. And then it jump cuts to the mistress, now a lot older, but playing with a little toddler boy, but she’s not the stern woman from before, but a sweet loving old woman. And she compliments the little girl near the fire crackling place playing the grand piano across from them at her remarkable playing. In the dining room a strapping young boy sits with the master, who is now a lot older, over some accounting books, and the young boy is being shown by the master how interest works when dealing with banks. At this time woman, now also a lot older, and pregnant, tells them to clear the table “it will be night soon, where is he?”. Just then the artist, now a lot older as well, crosses the window, and she runs outside where he’s just parked his bicycle and just as he turns around she wraps her arms around his neck. He opens his shoulder bag and pulls out a bottle of champagne and says “happy birthday”. They go inside the house together, now much older, and expecting, and through the window we see the whole family gather round the dining table, old and young, in the warm cozy brick house where the smoke shoots clearly from the roof, amoung hundreds of other homes in the large neighborhood, up toward the twinkling starry night

>> No.15970545

>>15970186
This, past education and societal structures in the past would have led to more men becoming authors, which would have led to more surviving books having such female muses to rely upon.

If you look at books written by women, with any inkling towards romance, passion and sex, I'm highly certain you will find male muses too.

>>15970262
I have to agree with this as well. The person, male or female, inspires strong emotions in the artist or writer; such as infatuation, obsession, boundless passion, deepseated hate etc. All these vigorous emotions will inevitable be channeled into the inspiration and makings of the literacy works you read today

>> No.15970564

>>15970545
Typically it’s many different females who inspire an artist. It’s the Muses, not a muse. Your looking at it from the point of view of the woman who sees herself as a muse, which I find amusing, and a little cute and adorable

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>>15970262
*inspires a piece of art
the artist is always masculine

>> No.15970578

>>15970262
Women are pretty great aren't they huh?
Yeah don't you wish you were one? You fucking tranny.
Tripfaggot? More like trapfaggot.

>> No.15970589

>>15970158
Women don't have muses unless they're hyper dominant and enjoy less dominant men.

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>>15970580
>>15970353
https://youtu.be/1UvEVr1MYkg

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>>15970578

>> No.15970862

>>15970589
Or understand

>> No.15971051

>>15970158
Because writers are mostly men and mostly not faggots.
Also because men are impassioned and women are wet socks.

>> No.15971057

If you call a woman a muse she is more likely to fuck you

>> No.15971067

>>15970578
incredibly based

>> No.15971106

>>15970158
Hey faggot i need a webm of a girl, white, black hair, titok i think she's kinda dancing.
That's it. Have something for me?

>> No.15971127

>>15971057
If you answer a woman’s
>hey anon (eye contact)(meaningless question)
with any kind of attempt to “hang out” she will reward you because she technically can’t chase what she wants because what she wants is exactly to be chased but she REALLY REALLY wants you to do it but she is, and I can’t stress this enough, INCREDIBLY FUCKING HORNY AND LONLEY AND SURROUNDED BY THE DORKIEST CORNIEST TAX RETURNS

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Because they are so cute and also smell nice <3

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>>15970158
Because we men are incomplete people. Everyone who denies this has never met a muse or a love and my empathy goes out for you.

>> No.15971237

>>15971221
What a stupid looking woman

>> No.15971276 [DELETED] 

>>15971168
Built for BBC

>> No.15971282

>>15971276
m...

>> No.15971294

>>15970158
>why are muses traditionally white?

>> No.15971409

>>15970262
The first good post I've seen from you.

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>>15971221

>> No.15971517

>>15971437
So what. She has money she “earned” selling pictures/videos. Anybody sour grapes over this gets a D- in Applied Semantics

>> No.15971564

>>15970284
That might be OK. It reminds me a bit of The Real Thing by Henry James (which is about an artist who uses a low-class woman as his main model because she's excellent at pretending to be duchesses and queens and so on, whereas a genuine upper-class couple are useless).

>> No.15971588

>>15970545

>past education and societal structures
Firstly, the societal structures are caused by the biological reality.
Secondly, even without those structures, man will naturally be subject and woman object.

>If you look at books written by women, with any inkling towards romance, passion and sex, I'm highly certain you will find male muses too.
You set the threshhold of evidence very low for being "highly certain".

>> No.15971599

>>15971564
Interesting, I’ll check it out

>> No.15971606

>>15971237
the eternal finngolian

>> No.15971644

>>15970158
>haha look at me im so pretty
is there really more to women?

>> No.15971682

>>15971644
Apparently looking at a beautiful face releases all those feel good chemicals in your brain

Imagine walking around and just just making people feel good by your mere symmetry

The demiurge will pay for the form I took this birth, mark my words

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>>15970158
A muse can also be intellectual. The jist is she is a high caliber woman with a big brain who helps augment and refine the thinking of the higher creative man. It is typically not by profane science and knowledge but, since women's higher function is realized best when bound to and serving another person, she often knows various methods to better or heighten his awareness or cognition. They can also provide romance and sex after which is always nice.

>> No.15971700

>>15971644
the hypocrisy that they hate violence whereas all their narcissism is possible by violence from the men who try to get them a comfort zone.
The last kernel of violence which cannot be externalize outside society is the one form the ugly and poor simps who keep trying to competing for men, without understanding that ugly men bug women off. And women deeply hate that some ugly fat poor man even talks to them.

So in order to vain, women still have to pay the price of having repulsive simps sometimes touching them and talking to them.

>> No.15971705

>>15971694
i love when hedonists say they are smart and intellectual, in order to pretend they are not hedonists

>> No.15971710

>>15971705
Where even did you get that from

Epson home cinema 5040

>> No.15971723

>>15971588
I'm not even going to try to argue with you on the first point, so think whatever makes you superior, and hopefully you hold the same smug, pompous virtues irl

I'll address the second point instead. Ayn Rand and Jane Austen had known muses they used for inspiration in their writings, among other female authors. It's human to have inspiration for any sort of art, but I'm sure your narrow perspective blinds you frequently

>> No.15971840

>>15971168
isnt she a nazi

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>>15970158
>why are the creative images for men female
Gee, I wonder.

You will find an easy answer if you look into the mind even just for a bit. Start with Jung, the anima is the creative for man, and no artist can go without a dominant feminine streak, as he does masculine.

>> No.15971873

>>15971840
She's right-wing

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>>15970158
How could a woman inspire philosophy?

Oh, you meant *that* type of writing.

>> No.15971892

>>15971873
how right wing?

>> No.15971910

>>15971437
These are ads aimed at getting more young girls onto onlyfans.

>> No.15971914

>>15971873
Who is she?

>> No.15972045

>>15971694
Can’t wait to meet a woman like this

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15972089

>he doesn't know

>> No.15972100

One time I was on the subway platform going to a really tedious day of classes and I thought to myself, after I do all the bullshit I gotta do today, I'll come back home tonight and spend my last waking hours on the lifelong project that I really care about. Then I thought, fuck that, I'll be super tired tonight, I'll just start the project on Friday or the weekend. But then I thought, remember how David Foster Wallace was so rich and famous that he used to refer to the women he fucked as "audience pussy?" And I thought, if I start today, and work every night no matter if I'm tired or not, I and my project succeeds and I get rich and famous in 10 years, I can have limitless audience pussy in 10 years. But if I start this Friday, and I always starts on Fridays or weekends forever, I will finish my project in 20 years and only get audience pussy in 20 years. And I looked around me and I saw all the beautiful young women whose asses I wanted to put my face in, and I thought, I'll start tonight.

I was really tired that night but I worked on my project. I'm not sure if that counts as having a muse.

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>>15970158
There is only one muse. Pic related.
>>15971221
Everyone is incomplete. This is the significance of marriage.
>>15971867
True. Don't think that its easy to arrive at understanding though anon. Anything worth having is not easy to get. And not start with Jung.
>>15970262
Wrong again, only when united with a man does woman pro-create. Creativity in general is just a symbol for the creative work of The One, all creativity is pro-creativity.
>>15970158
Why ask such a question?The answers are already evident.

>> No.15972132

>>15972100
Fuck thats pathetic bro

>> No.15972135

>>15972118
>True. Don't think that its easy to arrive at understanding though anon. Anything worth having is not easy to get.
In a factual sense in having obtained the knowledge to ruminate over, that is no difficult chore in all the information we have today. To become aware of it without it directly being stated is also not too difficult in this place, as Plato provided the most uneducated and peasant opinion Aristophanes to propose the idea that there is as it were a masculine and a feminine within us, or that we are searching for the other half. Such simple ideas are known likely since eternity, and well known obviousness too. But it is understanding the depths of the meaning of having in this case a feminine, that is the difficult part as you say.

>> No.15972137

>>15972100
>I was really tired that night but I worked on my project. I'm not sure if that counts as having a muse.
Base, but I like your Falstaffic energies anon. Keep it up!

>> No.15972141

>>15971221
>we men
>Everyone who denies this
>>15972118
>Everyone is incomplete
Quit projecting
If you love someone, or find inspiration in something or someone, because you yourself feel lacking, that is not some universal insight, you are just a cripple

>> No.15972159

>>15972118
>Judaism at the centre of occultism
>Wypipo still fall for this shit

>> No.15972171

>>15970535
I like it.

>> No.15972208

>>15970158
Because only straight white men are capable of creating true art, the rest are mere imitators.

>> No.15972244

>>15971606
Literally nobody here in finland looks like that

>> No.15972250

>>15971840
>>15971873
Wait who is she ?

>> No.15972267

>>15972250
Eva, Vlaardingerbroek, Dutch thot/political scientist who's affiliated with one of the major far right parties of the Netherlands. IIRC she's just a civnat though, so she's kosher. Then again, that's just her public opinion, who knows what evil hides inside the depths of her soul.

>> No.15972283

>>15972267
Wtf why doesn't she have a wikifeet if she wants my hitler vote

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>>15972208

>> No.15972339

>>15972267
>Eva, Vlaardingerbroek
>Her boyfriend is an Arab
It's so far beyond over.

>> No.15972351

>>15970564
>Your looking
you're

>> No.15972371

>>15970158
Women get men thinking. Men get women working. It’s the cycle of life until a tranny clogs the machine

>> No.15972380

>>15970158
I really want an ugly tranny femboy muse so I can write about their stinking boipussy

>> No.15972383

>>15972339
Wait what, source on this

>> No.15972393

If a woman was able to acknowledge a man in a non sexual way, then men would care more about this way than sex. But it's not the case, women center their life on sex and they love to let compete for them, take only the men who show how well they can entertain women.

The blow back for women is that repulsive, poor men continue to try to be noticed by women and men do not know when to stop.

a problem for women, is that once a man is chosen by a woman for the fucking and caring, the man thinks he no longer competes against other men, and that woman no longer has any orbiters. The man thinks his victory is perpetual. Then the woman gets less and less harmless fun that she craves, so she choose a few other disposable orbiters. Then the current provider no longer feels acknowledged and begins to seek the validation of another woman.

Also, women do not have babies because ''muh genes'' muh evolution.
Women have babies because
-they love to spread their legs
-their parents push them for grand children
-they get bored and they see the family as a way to keep the relationship alive
-they see other women having babies and being okay with it

This stuff about ''tough healthy males'' comes from the male love to interpret anything through their fantasy of dominance and submission, but this is because they love to confuse dominance with being active and submission with being passive so that they delude themselves that they are not the weaker sex by being so active, whereas their activities turn out to be only making women comfy and make life harder for men.

Women know this male clinging to power fantasies by heart and they have no problem using it to avoid being as destitute as a men can become, while still thinking that those women realize the female fantasy of intimacy, of going beyond passing for and knowing to be slutty goldiggers, by being devoted to the realization of the fantasy of grandiosity of a few men or more commonly by having children and creating a family.

>> No.15972395

>>15972371
>Men get women working.
huh, women get men working and building society and giving women a cushy life of hoousewife

>> No.15972400

>>15972383
he's lying, he's med french

>> No.15972414

>>15972393
>my favorite band is nickelback

>> No.15972425

Because the Muses were female. Calliope, Clio, Euterpe, Thalia, Melpomene, Terpsichore, Erato, Polyhymnia, and Urania. All female.

No, they don't inspire you, they put the art in your head. They made it, you're just putting it to paper, or singing it, or carving it, or whatever. To the Greeks, nothing you made was actually "yours", it was someone else's work sourced to you.

>> No.15972432

>>15972141
>quit projecting
You are a retard, arent you? Im not even the same anon but holy shit. You dont understand the symbolique of two becoming one which is extended far beyond the concrete reality of two making one, idiot?

>> No.15972472

>>15972208
>white
It's pure plagiarism.

>> No.15972486

>>15972400
>med french
Yeah like I said, Arab.

>> No.15972725

>>15971221
>>15971237
>>15971606
Ruski.
https://forums.thefashionspot.com/threads/anastasia-asya-vasileva.381629/

>> No.15973278

>>15972725
Why does she remind me of John Malkovich

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>>15973278
Just around the mouth. Basic Slavic roots

>> No.15973623

Because women are incapable of love and therefore would never be inspired by a male muse. Only homosexuals have male muses and ghey men are some 2-4% of the population

>> No.15973644

>>15972045
They are extremely rare and like I said, high caliber women, but certain types of tradgirls have good potential to end up this way.

>> No.15973661

>>15973623
Faggots are incapable of love, that's any faggot writers that ever existed were degenerates that whored themselves around

>> No.15973662

>>15972486
Kek, guess it is over

>> No.15973671

>>15973644
Wtf is high caliber, she owns assault rifles?

>> No.15973680

>>15973671
High caliber is just another way of saying High tier in any regard

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>>15973623
Women are the most prone to love, as they are the sex that embraces emotions most emphatically.
The artist produces his art by giving in to this urge.
Again, it is an allegory. If the homosexual male artist considers his muse a male, so what?

>> No.15973697

>>15973687
Simps and women really believe this narrative

>> No.15973698

>>15972393
Kys poopoohead

>> No.15973702

>>15973680
I want that but i also want to yell at her and shit. You think if I’m nice here and there she can take it or do I just save all that honest rage when plowing her anus?

>> No.15973718

>>15973697
>simps

Fuck off to twitter/reddit or kill yourself, either way chose one and leave

>> No.15973874

>>15973697
You’re not an artist, you’re a memer

>> No.15973898

>>15973702
90% of the time you'll have to turn that into a bedroom only kink cause intellectual muses are actually smart, and in most ways know you better than you know yourself so smacking her into submission while it'll work a few times will also breed resentment and make her too emotional to keep helping you.

Creative work driven relationships like these require emotionally very emotionally intelligent people, not that fake gay cope shit, (awww suzie(male) is offended go complain to HR) but like actual structured management of feelings, never letting logic get drowned by emotion, men are automatically better at this than women so finding a woman like this is finding a gem. Also because you'll still probably be better at it than her to a degree, she acts like a pool to reflect upon and drink from to supplant your thinking and keep you on track.

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>>15970158
Honestly I think it's generic to use female muses too much, but neglectful to only use male ones. Why not praise whichever one embodies the greatest nature, or simply appreciate both for for their distinct taste.

>> No.15974050

>>15970172
Because the female equivalent is fangirl.

>> No.15974119

>>15973898
Fuck that she can logically ice her ass after I’m finished with it

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>>15970262
The myths aren't allegories. The Muses even warn Hesiod that what they say could be a trick.
Their rule is instead a specific relation to art, in the same way that Apollo, Pan, and Hephaestus may teach art of their type, and they are male gods. The Muses are, instead, a natural leading away from memory - essentially the paradox of artistic creation in its relation to time and our search for the highest.
Holderlin says something similar to Hesiod.
"At one time i questioned the Muse, and she
Replied to me
In the end you will find it.
No mortal can grasp it.
About the highest I will not speak.
But like the laurel, forbidden fruit
Your country is, above all. To be tasted last
By any man,

Beginning and end
Greatly deceive us."

They are related to Aphrodite and Pandora in their myths.

>> No.15974138

>>15974133
BASED BASED BASED BASED

>> No.15974169

>>15974138
Are you okay, you're acting like an autist with ADHD

>> No.15974190

>>15974119
If you just wanna smack stupid bitches for stupid bitches an intellectual Muse will be able to tell and not even be interested in you.

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>>15974133
>The myths aren't allegories.
Hehehehe. Um.

>> No.15974310

>>15974190
Good better she be a muse to some faggot I’m a tryna to gag fuck choke and run up a bitch so don’t kill somebody

>> No.15974347

>>15974310
Ngmi

>> No.15974350

>>15974133
One of the most based fucking posts I’ve ever seen. If you only knew how much sewn in just these few lines of Holderlin
God bless you

>> No.15974781

>>15974310
You sound like a dumb nigger and a leaf in the wind

>> No.15974876

>>15970189
huh, never thought of that. Are men turning into women ?

>> No.15975157

>>15970158
what is her name?

>> No.15975190

>>15975157
paul

>> No.15975675

man brain big and smart and strong
woman only good for cook, make baby and pretty
big smart man brain look girl for make poemtry
better word pick from big brain

>> No.15975719

>>15970158
I'm making it a personal goal to have sex with a women like that as an overweight neckbeard. I refuse to believe the memes.

>> No.15975994

>>15970262
based butterfly

>> No.15976017

Who is this semen demon?

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>>15975719

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>>15976076
Watch me, faggot

>> No.15976104

>>15976076
what is her name desu

>> No.15976799

>>15970158
I just realized that the most common male fantasy is that he will meet a girl that will see in him something that is inherently him, rather than his job, financial status, desireability by other women, etc. etc. Every guy ever wants to think there's a girl (usually good looking) who somehow likes him for what he is rather than what he provides. Fiction is full of these kind of male fantasies where he is some fuck up troubled artist with a limp and a girl like OP's webm sees something special in him. Of course it never actually happens IRL.

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blonde haired blueeyed non-neotenous women are some of the ugliest women

they were the kind girls that playboy were pushing because hefner liked them. i never really liked them

>> No.15977423

>>15977412

kind of girls*

>> No.15977433

hefner brainwashed men to like these blonde cunts

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>>15974138
>>15974350
Thanks. I'm glad a few people got something out of it. A longer response incoming, probably too long for some but maybe it will generate some discussion.
>>15974251
In some broad sense, this may be true, but there is the danger of misinterpretation in this and then turning the falsehood into a moral law. Meaning is not the central factor, it may never even be found. "The more meaning it has the less it is." It is essentially the same as false art, it may lead us astray or form as hubris which turns a god to wrath.

We see this meaninglessness of meaning in those who take the completely opposite position of you. Rather than a reverence for women it is understood that women are simply out to deceive men, that beauty is itself empty and only men can properly form it. Essentially, that another Pandora must be carved out of stone. This is, strangely enough, due to an idea of art that is precisely the same: you both begin from an interpretation of technical meaning, yours is simply feminine and theirs masculine. Art becomes little more than a textile or armour to cover one's weakness - where gender becomes hardened because it is little more than a memory. What we see in the gods is completely the opposite of our weakened gender, it is character that is dominant in them, they just so happen to be male or female. This is not to say that it their sex is unimportant, only that it is a secondary rather than determining factor. Meaning tends to confuse and cause one to become lost in time, and this is increased as questions become more difficult.

One may be able to catch a glimpse of this in Dadaist art. I should say that I don't really appreciate this art, nor much of the modern art that I will mention, but it is interesting and certainly revealing in its relation to aesthetics and the mythic interpretation of art. Picabia's clock, for instance, contains the instruments and gears of a dead machine - in another image it takes the form of abstraction of the movement itself as a timebomb. This is where the pure feeling of Suprematism and the pure technical destruction of art meet, they are in their essence equal: beginning and end as a hardened law, a certainty. The technical perfection of modern man through his art is inescapable, no matter how you attempt to escape this, no matter how irrational and destructive your art becomes the essence remains the same. This is because at its core modern technology is a destructive process, its law is what gives us the leveling process, both in culture and its artistic representations

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>>15977412
no way fag

>> No.15977498

>>15977486
2

Following this, we can say that Nietzsche was not quite correct in his interpretation of modern art: it is not the idyllic which destroys art, but a specific means to its end. It is the technical quality of art that hollows it out, the endless production of the perfect man, the vitruvian quality of being. In this sense his own idea of power is equal to that of the operatic voice: the holding on to the memory of the highest in a way that kills it. There is no longer any art of moral questioning because technical rationality renders it obsolete. Art criticism displaces the work through an individualist subterfuge of art, wherein the work of art is replaced by the human. It is he that becomes the vessel through production. Van Gogh as Prometheus, the work must become equivalent to the devastating qualities of technological law, thus it begins to disappear. Art becomes nothing more than a means of technical destruction - the vessel discarded before it is ever completed, the final efforts of artists lost to time. This is the great power of Kantian humility, the artist is eliminated within the substratum, Wagner is killed by subjectivity and feeling. But this process also forms him into a superior figure.

Dadaism was the end of art because it turned the bare function of the Muses into a machine, an end in itself, a dying law that somehow held onto the last element of art. The work of art should contain within it a destructive quality, or at least a sense of its power, but in Dadaism the act of nihilism is turned into law, a funeral rite from which one may never leave. The artist triumphs over art,but as the perfection of the "unfruitful" - the art which does not try to best the Muses in contest but instead secures the artistic world against any future curse by their hand.

One can understand the entire history of modern art in this: man thought he could form beginning and end, that he could grasp it and deceive the deceiver through his hand alone. He felt that he could attain the highest, but forgot that it is but an empty vessel, to be discarded or sold cheaply. It is the judgement which surrounds our wandering before the highest that forms art, its material is nothing before the festival quality. The modern understanding abandoned this, it has no Muse. This is why even bourgeois art appears as a dead nobility: the husklike formation of the opera house surrounding its host. There is no difference between the Renaissance and Industrial art, they are one. Only a base level of pessimism or optimism divides them, the meaning is the same - where there is a sensual quality it leads away from the Muses, to the contests that in the ancient world would lead to a curse of the voice or petrification within what eternally tantalizes.

>> No.15977512

>>15977488

you're probably black. black men grew up around ugly ghetto bitches so in comparison they think white girls like that are hot

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>>15974251
Get fucked, tranny
>>15977498
>>15977486

>> No.15977517

>>15977498
3

Holderlin's understanding of art is opposed to Nietzsche's, they discover the Dionysian realm in completely different worlds. This would be too long to discuss here, however, the drinking ritual gives a sense of this difference. In the drinking festival there must be a law of distribution, an order of celebration so that the coin purses are not emptied before the vessels of wine. This is why one drinks to the servers first, and then, after drinking to all of the others who are deserving of a drunken blessing, also end with them. The reveler must commit to limiting himself, and then only be carried off in his drinking by the festivities. This is the law of an oath which must be betrayed, wine is the nectar given to us by the gods, and to refuse it would be worse than hubris. Through cultivation of the ineffable one honours the realm of Dionysus - the law that succeeds the libation is also the law of art..

Those who are too eager to please the gods, to harden laws or offer them too much in sacrifice, reveal themselves as enslaved to power. And it is they who are crushed by the gods, as Tantalus in his offering. To commune with the gods is to be apprehended by something greater than power, and in the Muses we see the titanic striving of man before the necessity of peace in our nature. The horrific howls of Pan's instruments and the beauty of their echo.

It is perhaps in the peasant songs that we see a resolution to the destructive nature of art. Where the technical artists attempt to erect monuments of the Uranian, of the blood of primordial war, the peasants retain a quality of time related to Cronus and his reconciliation with Zeus - with neither resentment nor reverence. In them there is an unleashing of the artistic elements, they hold a similar quality to Meno's slave in his learning. In them we realise that art wells up as a force without need of technical proficiency. This is also true of the natural talent, of the uncontrolled, uncultivated voice.

This is not to say that we should abandon the technical, aristocratic cultivation will always have its value, and the political leveling of art has proven that it can only bring to the surface an emptiness that already existed. It is simply another means of the technical. Instead we should understand the technical like that of the roughly used instrument, where it takes on a life of its own, deepens in its tone, giving an air to the harmonics and resonance. This is opposed to the substratum of art, where the sublime is simply where one forgets that he has become lost. One could trace the decline of art along with the history of abandonment of sympathetic strings.

>> No.15977531

>>15977517
4

Work songs are the perfect guide here. They are rough and worn into the spirit like the heavily travelled road, or the old holloway now overgrown with the arches of trees, but a beauty which endures where it should not serves as a reminder that nobility transcends the laws of class distinction. Where the song mimics the racket of nature, or even the horrific noise of its god, we are reminded of a timeless quality that transcends even the festivals. Enduring is the wrong word for it - at least in its conservative meaning - as the peasant songs persisted where they should not have, lived on in the few places that held out against the modern world. They hold within them the sound of traversing the earth, riding its waves, dragging ourselves over its rolling hills - the monotony of the turning oar which becomes beautiful once we sense that we are carried along with the passing of time. In short, the work song holds to the law of time of the Muses. The peasants are removed from the highest form of culture, but in spirit they are often closer to being a vessel of the highest, where "the holy is fit for use."

This is also a useful distinction given that the differences in male and female song are not as prominent, at least in their technical qualities. Neither man nor woman are favoured, unlike the war and love songs where character demands a certain and distinct voice. It may be that the lack of character forces abandonment of artistic judgement, and men descend into the technical application while women return to craft. Yet each continues to carve out their hollow form.

The falsity of the artistic reaction tends to harden the response of those who wish to defend high art. However, one should remember the most prominent work of Ancient Greek art: the Gorgon pediment and the Aegis armour. The images are certainly not beautiful, at least not as objects themselves, not as the Kantian or conservative would like to hold onto beauty. Their prominence, even amidst what was aesthetically beautiful, suggests that something other than beauty rules from beyond. This is a lesson of law, the carving out of the eternal threatens us with petrification before it and so must serve as a warding off, a turning away. Otherwise, we must learn to reflect the eternal ugliness back into itself - wherein we become a mirror of the form.

>> No.15977543

>>15977531
5

Again, we are confronted with the lesson of the vessel, and where blood, oath, and the Gorgon are the foundation of architecture we must be its final element. All art exists in contradiction, but architecture presents a further difficulty as it is at once the most powerful and fragile form. Simple mistakes are compounded and the work cannot be easily discarded - in it we see the necessity of the eternal, and so the conflict of the beautiful and the petrified is heightened. We must dwell within, and even the festival may fail in removing its polluting elements. Perhaps in this we see the perfection of the Greek architecture: simple yet imposing, formed against nature but of the laws of its movement. Beautiful is not enough to describe it.

The contradiction of beauty is the lesson of the Muses. They are female simply because beauty is inherent in them, and beauty is the great guide of those lost to time. In the sea shanty "Roll the Old Chariot Along" we are reminded of the connection of art and nature, where work and song are one. We carry ourselves along in time until we ourselves are carried by it. Here we sense beauty as an overwhelming force, one which relieves us of our nature even as we are determined by it. The Muses want to either guide us or trick us, either way we are driven towards our spirit through a titanic becoming or an olympian order - where beginning and end are one.

It is not that there is no meaning in art, nor myths especially, there is deep meaning; but that alone is not enough. To grasp towards the highest only to thieve its meaning is to see the vessel as the end, or to destroy it if it is delicate. This is the lesson of Tantalus, but we should be reminded that moral lessons are only of failure. The Muses may trick us only because they see within us a Tantalus figure. The revolt against meaning is perhaps ,in a small way, a recognition of this, but rather than sacrificing ourselves to the creation of demigod status we simply take it. This is, at the surface, simply a pessimism amidst the turning of everything into a discarded vessel. And in its technical qualities it is not so different from the reduction of all things to the feminine or masculine, the artistic elimination of memory. However, at its depths art is going through an incredible transformation and in its mythic form there will be terrible consequences. The Muses are the law of art as it is discarded and worn away by the turning of time - but the beautiful always returns, this time it will be as its truth as cataclysm, and we'll all hang on behind.

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>>15977543
6

In another peasant song, Liten Kersti, there is an understanding of gender that is equal to Holderlin in its relation to the numinous and the return to nobility. One has to wonder why those obsessed with identity remain uninterested in a form of character that would be worthy of the Muses. As in them gender must work in secrecy, as an element of the highest, and this is completely opposed to the deceptive manner in which it works today.

"Om dagen så rider hon de fålarna till vann
Och den lilla
Om natten så sover hon på hertigens arm
I vånn stall har hon tjänt uti lönndom"

(By day she rode the horses to water
And o the little one
By night she slept in the arms of the duke
In the royal stable she worked in secrecy)

https://youtu.be/DLGlRQn0JuE
https://youtu.be/JIaOFGdDJgE
https://youtu.be/49FWp7WLYKw
https://youtu.be/4T8ile1uq-U

>> No.15977609

>>15976799
Women have the same fantasy, that of an absolute Chad who falls in love with her because of her and not because of her looks or because she's the best he can get in that moment and he wants to fuck her before he mets his looksmatch with whom to settle

>> No.15977621

I didn't realise how long that was, maybe later I can come up with a tldr.

>> No.15977647

https://youtu.be/iFSM9yIF2bk

>> No.15977650

>>15970158
is anyone going to give the name of this woman?

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>>15977609

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>>15970262
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>> No.15977781

>>15977488
https://www.tiktok.com/@lexarose

>> No.15977790

>>15977658
>>15976799
https://youtu.be/1WhQ-AEZovE

>> No.15978075

>>15972118
Por qué está en español? De qué logia eres Q∴ H∴?

>> No.15978601

>>15977621
Dude that was amazing, thank you

>> No.15978664

>>15970158
Muses represent the sublimation of libido (life drive/sexual drive) in heterosexual men - the group of people that has had hegemony over Hellenic and Roman culture.
The reason why there aren't muses as much in sports is because sports are a sublimation of aggression (death drive), it's not exclusively a sublimation of the death drive though - like art and culture is not exclusively sublimation of life drives.

>> No.15978748

>>15977488
reminds me of nellie from drugslab.

>> No.15978755

>>15977650
I hope to god someone does.

>> No.15978765

>>15977650
eomen dont exist. anyone who says otherwise is a tranny or a tranny sympathiser.

>> No.15978923

>>15978765
How does this work?

>> No.15979173

>>15977512
you're probably a tranny

>> No.15979190

>>15970158
Who is this penile perpetrator

>> No.15979424

>>15970262
>The physical woman creates a life
lesbian ones dont

>> No.15979701

>>15979190
@peenhead699687

>> No.15979830

>>15979701
Bless you anon

>> No.15979873

>>15970580
The artist is nothing but the instrument through which art brings itself to the material world. He does not create it.

>> No.15980189

>>15979701
my prayers have been answered

>> No.15980816

>>15970158
The feminine gender in Proto-Indo-European was originally a type of mass plural treated as a singular, which is why most abstract concepts in Greek and Latin are feminine. They represent not just one thing, but all things of that kind.

This mass plural was first applied to herds of female livestock, such as sheep, cows, sows, and hens, and eventually acquired an association with femininity. This would have first occurred among the original Indo-European tribes on the Pontic steppe, the people who tamed the horse and invented the chariot, a thousand years or more before they conquered Greece and brought their language there.

"Musa" may have been something like "motia" originally, a mass plural related to movement. A thousand years pass, and with women typically having names in this ancient mass plural, the word was imaginatively interpreted to refer to a female divinity.

>> No.15981028

>>15970158
god i wish that was me

>> No.15981855

>>15970353
the black sun is not feminine. the dawn is not feminine. Dawn is the overcoming of the feminine (dark, night) by the masculine sun (light). Dawn is active, night is passive. Dawn is beginning, cardinal.
You have no understanding of masculine vs feminine.

>> No.15981857

>>15970589
sexy
>puritanical board rejects my reaction image

>> No.15981907

>>15973687
>Women are the most prone to love

I highly doubt this. Many women have admitted to me that they view their relationships with a high degree of pragmatism, and the science bears this out. If you think about human evolution a little, this should make sense.

Overwhelmingly often, it is men who fall into a deep romantic love for a woman. In fact, this whole idea of romantic love was invented by men in the medieval era.

Surely, the existence of the simp/e-girl relation should be almost a refutation of your claim? Women exploit the romanticism and naivete of men in a pragmatic way to acquire resources...

>> No.15982088

>>15976799
It happens sometimes. Happened to me when i was much younger and i pissed it away like the idiot i was/am. More relevantly, she was definitely the gf who was closest to a muse. We were into each other's own distinct type of weird and brought out powerful emotions in each other.

>> No.15982640

>>15976799
>It never happens in real life
It does if the thing she see's in you is physical attractiveness. Women don't care what your job is if you look like Brad Pitt.

>Likes him for what he is rather what he provides
This thing that they see in you is no more the capacity or ability to provide, or dominate etc. You might be very intelligent, very creative, very mentally tough. These are all just abilities and tendencies which make you a powerful and successful protector.

This should be obvious. Ugly, stupid men with lots of money will never be as attractive as 6'4 chads overflowing with their own superiority. Ultimately, chances are that the chad has a greater capacity to achieve things than the ugly manlet, regardless of how much money they actually happen to possess.

>> No.15982681

>>15982640
2. Just look at Zucksperg and Gates wives to understand this. All the money and power and yet still they have fugly wives. Why? They lack certain innate characteristics that women find more attractive than merely possessing resources, or even having the capacity to acquire resources.

If you are an ugly autist you will never be truly attractive to apex women. Sorry.

>> No.15982714

Imagine going through life being this smug while being completely validated for it

>> No.15982767

>>15982681
Are you seriously suggesting that Bill Gates or the zuck couldn't get a new beautiful wife if they wanted to ? They could literally switch wives every year and there would be no shortage of women willing to be their sexual slaves. And judging by what was revealed during the Epstein case, gates and zuck probably fuck a ton of little girls

>> No.15982947

>>15982767
Yes and no. An apex woman they could "get", but never be truly loved by. The only apex women they could get would be the kind who only loves money and power, not people. They compromise with ugly wives as who actually love them. I applaud them, it is a wise choice.

Note that rich AND good-looking celebs almost always have goddess-tier wives but ugly billionaires still often have average ones.

An apex woman who cares about physical attractiveness can literally always do better than a Zuck or a Bezos. Why have half the package when you can have the whole?

A woman might be with you because you have money and power. But she loves you for what you are, or she simply loves resources, and not you.

>> No.15983373

>>15974876
yes. Incels are highly feminine in that they are obsessed with looks, status and money.

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homosexual = pedophile = tranny = female minded men = women = sex addicts =bourgeois = humanists

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>>15981028

>> No.15983462

>>15983448
This is why the Romans executed someone who raped a citizen

>> No.15983465

>>15983462
>implying blonde Germans could be citizens

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>>15983448
to what simps this is a muse?

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>>15983427
>>15983448
>>15983467
hate women

>> No.15983484

>>15983465
Well uhh yeah they could have been

>> No.15983498

>>15982088
blew my chance to anon