/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.15827379]

Ulterior Motives Edition
How emotionally involved do you become with what you read?
>>15802567
archive >>/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg
charts https://mega.nz/folder/JrhSyY6S#7qmTPol52TnmpFOdbag7RQ/folder/guIyhAzS
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

[Anonymous No.15827413]

sanderfag a hack

[Anonymous No.15827417]

Guys i don't want to disturb your general but i just finished The Never Ending War and the other scifi i've read is the Foundation Trilogy.
I'm asking for recomendations but only legit the greatest scifi not the most representative or something that i have to build my reading of scifi to "get it".
again, i'm serious, on your experience what are the top scifi books, novellas, short stories, etc.

[Anonymous No.15827446]

Any good fantasy where the hero shapeshifts into other creatures?

Sort of like what happens to the protagonist in The Girl Fish fairy tale.

[Anonymous No.15827462]

>>15827413
>4.5 million

[Anonymous No.15827473]

>>15827462
You and me both know that popularity does not equate quality or a good product.

[Anonymous No.15827475]

>>15827417
That isn't how it works.

[Anonymous No.15827477]

Is this a good entry point to 40k books?

[Anonymous No.15827481]

>>15827477
Abnett is pretty much the only good 40k writer. Can't go wrong with any of this books.

[Anonymous No.15827483]

>>15827473
and yet it's also extremely highly rated by /sffg/ with a few vocal detractors.

[Anonymous No.15827484]

>>15827475
why not

[Anonymous No.15827503]

>>15827483
/sffg/ is also a communist conservative black jew with bipolar disease and both sets of genitals with a never ending need to contradict itself and shift its interest or praise at a moments notice to something else entirely.

[Anonymous No.15827508]

>>15827366
sure, there are thousand of finished fantasy series for me to read while i wait

[Anonymous No.15827510]

>>15827484
Well, if you insist then.
Dune
Slaughterhouse-Five
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
The Forever War
The Shadow of the Torturer
Starship Troopers
Ubik
Blindsight
Solaris
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

[Anonymous No.15827517]

>>15827503
Please present an evidence based argument next time.

[Anonymous No.15827595]

>>15827510
>Slaughterhouse-Five
>Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
>The Forever War
i've read those, they are pretty trash to be quite honest.

[Anonymous No.15827603]

>>15827595
Refer back to
>>15827475

[Anonymous No.15827624]

>>15827481
After thinking he was great as a kid. Adulthood is realizing gw hires the shittiest writers, or maybe bad writers just gravitate towards them. Even dan isn’t really that great, though he’s leagues better than the rest of their writers

[Anonymous No.15827631]

>>15827446
Earthsea
>>15827477
Yes, the first book of Space Wolf is another good entry point

[Anonymous No.15827632]

>>15827624
GW generally are bad with their ip in general. They have no idea how to handle warhammer beyond the pnp stuff.

[Anonymous No.15827750]

>publishers purposely made Epic Fantasy bloated and boring so they'd have an excuse to jack up the prices on paperbacks since the books would be bigger with all that extra fluff and EF fans cope with this fact by deluding themselves into believing if a series is insanely long than than equals quality

[Anonymous No.15827765]

>>15827750
isn't every epic fantasy just a trilogy these days? I feel like the really long running ones died out in the 2010s

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.15827771]

>>15827379
Legion: The Many Lives of Stephen Leeds - Brandon Sanderson, Urban Science Fantasy, 2012-2018
I read the first of these three works around when it was published in 2012. This is the sort of Urban Science or Fantasy, though it's basically in a "Lite" form, that I want to read more of, but I seem to have difficulty in finding. In the preface Sanderson writes that these are probably the most personal stories he's ever published, especially the third, and I believe that. Above anything else, I found them fun and enjoyable to read, and didn't have any other considerations other than that. I don't think they have that much to say other than perhaps insight into why Sanderson does as he does and is who he is. The premise is that Leeds has almost 50 other people, called aspects, living in his head that are the externalized manifestations of his knowledge that function as advisers to him. He's only able to actively imagine a few of them at a time however. Each one has their own personality and don't always behave how he would prefer them to and the aspects are often uncomfortable with being self-aware that they are imaginary. The stories mostly function as a detective doing investigations, which seems prevalent in this subgenre.

Legion;Skin Deep;Lies of the Beholder
A camera may be able to take pictures of the past
DNA as data storage and people as biological computers
Self-Apocalypse

4.5 overall maybe, but I'm rounding down to 4 in this case though I usually round up. Perhaps I ought to round down more often or change those I've previously rated.

TL;DR: A fun urban science fantasy

[Anonymous No.15827921]

>>15827765
> ASOIAF fans weep

Anyway, does anyone have fantasy mystery recommendations?

[Anonymous No.15828037]

>>15827765
Considering Hackerson's EF series is slated to be at least 10 books and it's currently one of the most popular EF series (if not THEE most popular EF series).....

[Anonymous No.15828124]

/sffg/, I'm so tired of this. I need a purpose to keep going

[Anonymous No.15828189]

>>15828124
based elric impersonator poster

[Anonymous No.15828375]

>>15828124
>become coomer
>write smut with above average effort
>???
>roll in dosh

[Anonymous No.15828645]

>tfw I'm addicted to intellectual/creative overstimulation and am going through fucking withdrawal

what do I do /sffg/?

[Anonymous No.15828692]

>>15827771
Yikes

[Anonymous No.15828735]

>>15828375
There's guys who write commissioned smut fics on ao3 and QQ who make like thousands of dollars a month.

[Anonymous No.15828846]

Any good Sherlock Holmesian sff?

[Anonymous No.15828878]

>>15828375
>>15828735
Any examples of decently written smut? I've been thinking about trying to write smut instead of looking up porn so I can channel that energy into something moderately productive.

[Anonymous No.15828894]

>>15827379
I am writing a fantasy book. While it is action-oriented and our heroes face a lot of danger, the tone is lighthearted and there's lots of comedy. While I personally enjoy this style, I wonder if my potential readers would be turned off.

[Anonymous No.15828900]

>>15828878
Funbag Fantasy

[Anonymous No.15828919]

>>15828878
https://www.archiveofourown.org/works/10042676

Try this. It has the right amount of plot, and a cute romance (which I like in my smut). It's very D&Dish, which you might see as a pro or con.

[Anonymous No.15829096]

>>15827771
>Sanderson writes that these are probably the most personal stories he's ever published
>Leeds has almost 50 other people, called aspects, living in his head that are the externalized manifestations of his knowledge that function as advisers to him
based schizo

[Anonymous No.15829100]

>>15828846
asimov's robot novels

[Anonymous No.15829123]

>>15829096
What if being nuts was a super power and you can just “smart” your way to solving crime

[Anonymous No.15829162]

>>15827379
What's the fantasy-book equivalent of drinking water on a hot summer day?

[Anonymous No.15829209]

>>15829162
drinking water on a summer day buy in a fantasy setting.

[Anonymous No.15829250]

>>15828735
It's not cushy living, let me tell you.
t. "highly paid" erotica writer

[Anonymous No.15829301]

/sffg/, any idea how to make a villain escaping in an elevator dramatic?

[Anonymous No.15829359]

>>15829301
put explosions everywhere but he doesn't look at them cuz he's too cool

[Anonymous No.15829394]

Writer anon(s), What do you actually hope to achieve in asking /sffg/ questions about what would/wouldn't work in your stories?
Genuinely asking, because there exists so many other threads for writing assistance, I just don't get why you ask here.

[Anonymous No.15829481]

>>15829394
Our works are in the scifi/fantasy genres?

[Anonymous No.15829495]

>>15827417

I made this "SF-canon" in my younger and more autistic days:

1. Frank Herbert
“Dune“

2. William Gibson
“Neuromancer“

3. Dan Simmons
„Hyperion“

4. Orson Scott Card
“Ender`s Game“

5. Ray Bradbury
“Fahrenheit 451”
6. Walter M. Miller
“Canticle For Leibowitz“

7. Phillip K. Dick
“Bladerunner”

8. Larry Niven
“Ringworld”

9. Arthur C. Clarke
“2001”

10. John Wyndham
“The Day Of The Triffids”

11. Jack Finney
“Invasion Of The Bodysnatchers”

12. Joe Haldeman
“The Forever War”

13. Ursula K. LeGuin
“Planet Of The Dispossessed”
14. H. G. Wells
“The Time Machine”

15. H. G. Wells
“The War Of The Worlds”

16. Ursula K. LeGuin
“The Left Hand Of Darkness“

17. Isaac Asimov
Foundation-Trilogie

18. Stanislaw Lem
“Solaris”

19. Vernor Vinge
“A Fire Upon The Deep”

20. Douglas Adams
“Hitchhiker´s Guide To The
Galaxy”

[Anonymous No.15829512]

>>15829394
this >>15829481, but it's not just classification. People on outer lit are physically revolted by the idea of reading for entertainment. You literally can't ask them anything about plot progression, tropes, characters, or anything else. By contrast, /sffg/ has shit tastes and autistic neckbeard hangups that force me genderswap and raceswap my characters for the purpose of questions, but at the very least I'm getting advice from people who aren't fundamentally opposed to good writing

[Anonymous No.15829530]

Any good contemporary fantasy that isn't Sandershit?

[Anonymous No.15829557]

>>15829530
Try the Shadowmarch series by Tad Williams. But keep a spreadsheet with all the different names of the various gods in the various languages. I read over those and it fucked me when it turned out to be important later on. It is pretty crazy of Williams to expect the reader to keep all those names in mind. I hope there is a glossary in the paper version of those books.

[Anonymous No.15829587]

I will never read anything by Brent Weeks ever again. The MC abandoning the cute and loyal slave girl for a whore who slept with his grandpa is ridiculously cucked. Teia was the only good part of the story.

[Anonymous No.15829605]

>>15829587
The first series I actually dropped because of shipping shit.

[Anonymous No.15829608]

>>15829530
The Throne of the Crescent Moon

[Anonymous No.15829672]

Any good recommendations of scifi books that feature colonies on mars or the moon? Hell, space station colonies would be neat as well. I just finished Foundation and i'm wanting to shrink down the scope of the story a tad bit.

[Anonymous No.15829709]

>>15829672
Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy

[Anonymous No.15829750]

>>15829709
thanks

[Anonymous No.15829759]

Is the Wheel of Time series actually worth getting into or should I not bother?

[Anonymous No.15829796]

>>15829759
If you want to be a slave to the youtubers that shill it, sure.
Or if you have free time to kill for an extensively long series, sure.

[Anonymous No.15829811]

>>15829759
instead of reading the entire wheel of time series (which has a section specifically nicknamed "the slog" by diehard fans), instead read 50 other books. would take you about as long

[Anonymous No.15829826]

>>15829811
Fuck, imagine having a series where people consider something "the Slog" and feel it's justified.

>inb4 but Dune
We don't talk about the hackfrauds that desecrate Papa Herbert's work.

[Anonymous No.15829946]

>>15829759
protagonist was too much of a chad. he was like 6'6

[Anonymous No.15830071]

>>15827379
>How emotionally involved do you become with what you read?
I forget reality around me when i read, i mostly read 40k so i never expect happy endings, though i often hope the innocent girls get a chance for a normal happy life. Unfortunately it always end in blood and torture.

[Anonymous No.15830300]

What are some fantasy books that will blow my mind in terms of its poetic beauty?

[Anonymous No.15830318]

>>15829811
>>15829826
I can never understand how shit writers like Jordan and Sanderson can get away with writing trash that even their fanboys call a slog but still think it's good writing and keep reading it. It's like some kind of brainwashing. They're capable of acknowledging all the massive fundamental flaws but the books are still 9/10s at worst or even so masterpieces somehow. It's insane.

[Anonymous No.15830320]

>>15830300
>poetic beauty
dunno about poetic beauty, but try reading war of the ancients. Read it 7 times, thinking about reading it again

[Anonymous No.15830321]

>>15827481
>>15827624
what about Demski-bowden

[Anonymous No.15830380]

>>15829759
It's very long and has some major lulls, but there are some interesting characters and very good setpieces. If you don't mind the commitment of such a long series then I think it's worth a read.
You will have a pretty good idea of Jordan's fetishes by the end though.

[Anonymous No.15830394]

>>15830318
Just like the best musical pieces there has to be a build up before the crescendo.

[Anonymous No.15830400]

>>15830394
If that's your best defense for those two, I'd think you'd only have read Jordan and Sanderson or never seen musicals outside of Highschool Musical and Grease.

[Anonymous No.15830403]

>>15829759
It's worth reading at least once, just because it's a great yarn and it has a lot of influence. You might not like it, and that's fine, but the vast majority of the hate for it is simple contrarianism.

[Anonymous No.15830428]

>read The Magicians
>drug and sex everywhere
>implication of bestiality
>horses fuck centaurs and vice-versa
I kinda like how he makes the magic system, but holy shit if the mc is not a whiny bitch

[Anonymous No.15830509]

>>15830428
I only watched first season of tv show and that was degenerate af, I imagine the book is 10 times more degenerate, I would not expect any less from a jewish author.

[Anonymous No.15830799]

>>15829123
That's basically most popular detective works.

[Anonymous No.15831065]

I'm honestly getting burnt out on 'Le serious epic fantasy' and no bullshit scifi.
I heard good things about Kings of the Wyld being *just* fun enough to fit my bill and it will probably be my read after next.

Are there any other recs that fit the bill of 'Self aware, but not quite to the point of just comedic' fantasy?
Sandershit need not apply.

[Anonymous No.15831084]

>>15831065
Might be too comedic for you, but Discworld is always a good way to go.

[Anonymous No.15831495]

Gods of Blood and Powder is fun man, although I know the books decline in quality with the third being not all that great it's still a great read.

[Anonymous No.15831570]

>>15745962
>>15745962
>>15745962
Oops, how inattentive of me.

>>15827379

[Anonymous No.15831759]

>>15830318
Honestly, most fans of both authors know how flawed their writing is unless and they aren't gushing about how these books are masterpieces. Yeah sure, there will always be vocal fanboys and vocal whingers like you.

[Anonymous No.15831817]

>>15831759
Don't know what to tell you anon.
I know /sffg/ ain't high-literature or anything, but if the authors can't take the craft seriously outside of their own worldwank, then I'd say they deserve fair ridicule.
Emphasis on fair, there's a difference between critics, contrarians (used in the actual sense of the word, not the hijacked definition) and whingers.
Not unnecessary bashing, sure; but so far everything I've seen 'complained' about has been reasonable. Sanderson in particular could improve tremendously; he just hasn't shown desire to.

[Anonymous No.15831889]

>>15829759
I didn't like it that much, but it had me somehow glad for the MC's whole arc. But the ending was okay enough at least.that he could get away from all of the bullshit that surrounded him.

[Anonymous No.15831950]

>>15831817
Fairly new reader here, I picked up Way of Kings recently and find myself amazed that Sanderson can be so lazy with prose, yet still manage to keep my interest.

[Anonymous No.15832051]

>>15829587
She didn't get to sleep with the grandpa, 1. She was caught in the preparation of the act. 2. Her pussy was too tight, and the grandpa wouldn't have been able to get it in.
You didn't read all the books.

Also fuck teia the murderous.

[Anonymous No.15832063]

Is discussion only possible for the most popular books in their own threads and even then only sometimes?
>>15815543

[Anonymous No.15832099]

>>15832063
Book of the new sun is highbrow enough for outer lit to not snob at it, so of course it will bet discussion from the pretentious cunts out there.

[Anonymous No.15832104]

>>15830300
The worm ouroboros

[Anonymous No.15832161]

>>15827379
Guys, almost all fantasy writers have shit prose. If you’re here for the beautiful writing (in that the writing in itself, aside from the world building and characters, is high quality), you’re in the wrong genre

[Anonymous No.15832311]

>>15832161
>only beautiful writing is high quality writing

idiot

[Anonymous No.15832420]

Fuck
E
William Brown

[Anonymous No.15832421]

>>15827379
Would anyone be interested in discussing in thread about a book while all using the same name or tripcode? This would allow be able to tell which ones are doing so easily and could provide an archive link to see all the discussion from previous threads easily about the book.

Or really, in general, if people used the name of the book, or the author's name being discussed as their name, could use the archive for the same and it would make discussion a lot more connected over time.

[Anonymous No.15832526]

So, I have played AI Dungeon, and it got me thinking how long it will take until we get /sffg/ related books fully written by AI. Do you guys think that would be possible, and if it is, how long until they hit the shelves and what will be the overall quality of these books?

[Anonymous No.15832556]

>>15832526
>and it got me thinking how long it will take until we get /sffg/ related books fully written by AI
already a thing since the early 2000s.

[Anonymous No.15832568]

>>15832556
>already a thing since the early 2000s.
Any examples? Are they shit?

[Anonymous No.15832579]

>>15832161
Wow, what an impressive take anon.
So impressive that Sanderson already said it himself.
See >>15808904
And it's still fucking embarrassing that he doesn't want to improve.
See >>15804377

You cannot lump the entirety of a genre based on your favourite author's or authors' performance.
That's not only fucking stupid, it's also unfair for the authors that you don't know or don't like, that attempt to write well.
>Tangent, because it's actually not the fault of Sanderson;
Fucking modern fantasy fans man, defending shitty writing and lack of effort from Sanderson and his clones.
I want to SEE the dress of the people not be told "Itsa maroon, and a purpool, anda gold dress, ebin rite? :DDDDDD"

>>15832421
I'd be down for that.
Like Conan_General or Dune_GEoD in the Name box?

>>15832526
Honestly, I know it's looked down upon, but the OneyPlays AI dungeon videos proves that you can get decent comedy scripts.
If you were to be %100 serious and do consistency touch ups after, it would work.
It works for smut too, but with varying effect

[Anonymous No.15832583]

>>15832311
You lack reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.15832597]

>>15832579
Beautiful writing in a fantasy book is a bonus. You know what is far more important in a fantasy book? Cohesive and deep world building. You can be the most poetic writer ever and it doesn’t mean shit if your world sucks.

[Anonymous No.15832611]

>>15832579
Argh, why did I find your image so distressing.
Poor Caroline :(

[Anonymous No.15832621]

>>15832597
And here is the thing: I am not a Sanders fan. If you don’t like Sanders because his characters are shallow, then that is a valid argument. But if you’re literally calling him shit merely because of his “workman prose” and the writing IN ITSELF then fantasy is not the right genre for you

[Anonymous No.15832649]

>>15832421
Feeling lonely, filthy tripfag?

[Anonymous No.15832688]

>>15827379
I have mostly read fantasy books, but I would love to read more sci-fi. Any recs? I've read the Foundation Trilogy and prequels.

[Anonymous No.15832780]

>>15832688

See >>15829495

Read "The Flying Sorcerers" for some really funny scifi, by david Gerrold and Larry Niven

[Anonymous No.15832784]

>>15832597
>>15832621
>Beautiful writing in a fantasy book is a bonus.
Sure, but one would hope that you'd at least attempt to write that evokes feeling, more so than tells you what or why you should feel something.
It's one thing to recognise something as well written, it's another to be affected by it. Being told to be affected by something is also

>You know what is far more important in a fantasy book? Cohesive and deep world building.
That is written well, Yes. But I also want to read a book that has a story, not just worldbuilding.
Flipside to that point is also "What if the worldbuilding sucks" but chances are the story is shit anyway.

>You can be the most poetic writer ever and it doesn’t mean shit if your world sucks.
Yes and no.
I feel like I am in a different place when I read something written well. Contrast with, I feel like I'm reading global traveller when I'm reading expositions of some dudes world with zero effort outside of 'This is EXACTLY' how it is, with no room for imagination.
Dune as a series is the best example in my mind that switches between the two quite clearly.
The case where it's good; Messiah; A man visits a wounded mujahid, and you feel as if you're in their house.
The case where it's bad; Children; The final room, it's just sort of whiteroom-ish for the most part (maybe because it was describe before, and he assumed you knew, but it still felt strange)

Will admit Sanderson was just an exaggerated example, and the current topic given the kickstarter.
Nothing against the man himself - relatively harmless dude that plays vidya, so whatever - just not a fan of his works or his cult.
I should stop drunk posting, realising now I'm tearing up an otherwise decent thread kek.

[Anonymous No.15832794]

>>15832688
The Titan Wizard, Demon trilogy by John Varley is also pretty good, if you can bear reading a lot about human/centaur sex.

[Anonymous No.15832835]

>>15832784
>Being told to be affected by something is also
Being told to be affected by something is also pretty low in terms of writing quality.

Fuck sake I hate myself.


>>15832688
Tried Hyperion or The Expanse novels?

[Anonymous No.15832903]

>>15827379
The Wheel of Time Series Overview
This only includes those who rated, which is most.
This doesn't include those with private profiles who didn't explicitly give access.
The discrepancies are because some members didn't list various books in the series in their profile or only rated certain ones.
Seems there was a bump in ratings when Sanderson took over.
It's to be seen over time whether a rough estimate, in this case, 9/38 (23%) compares overall in terms of series completion relative to other series.

[Anonymous No.15832931]

>>15832903
There's something to be said for the "less is more" philosophy when it comes to writing. Maybe TWOT would have been better off if it had been shortened somehow.

[Anonymous No.15832951]

>>15832903
>8-10
Is that the fabled trilogy of "absolutely fucking nothing happening"?

[Anonymous No.15832980]

>>15832835
I don't get why people like Sanderson, I tried reading The Way of Kings but couldn't bear it after ~300 pages. The writing is just shit imo

[Anonymous No.15833008]

>>15832903
I'll be doing series overviews now and again, but I probably won't be posting them in the thread mostly because I can't be bothered. They will be in the spreadsheet linked in the goodreads group. If other people want to bother doing so, then they are free to do so. When I eventually get the spreadsheet to a higher level of quality and clean it up I'll post it in the thread. I don't know when that will be.
The spreadsheet also includes similar for most of the books listed by members as well as various other data.
It's still only the initial version though.

[Anonymous No.15833030]

>>15833008
>>15832903
I love you goodreads autist

[Anonymous No.15833122]

>>15829301
Just copy silence of the lambs

[Anonymous No.15833143]

>>15832903
Jesus fuck stats autist anon, did you make a color coded spreadsheet just for wot?
I think you would enjoy litrpg.

[Anonymous No.15833227]

>>15832903
Do you do that by hand or do you have some sort of automation tools to help you out ?

[Anonymous No.15833282]

>>15833143
>>15833227
You seriously overestimate the time and effort it took to do the above.

[Anonymous No.15833298]

just watched the starship troopers movie for the first time after finishing the book. Made it halfway before I couldn't watch anymore. I thought that movie was supposed to be a classic? What the fuck bros?

[Anonymous No.15833339]

>>15833298
The director bought the rights to the name and used it just to spite the author.

[Anonymous No.15833408]

>>15829587
>brent weeks
Tried his edgy assassin books and its the only series I've ever dropped.

[Anonymous No.15833514]

>>15833298
>doesn't like EDF: The Movie

Wat?

[Anonymous No.15833529]

Starting up codex alera 5 not too hyped about it, the vord as an enemy bores me to death

[Anonymous No.15833566]

>>15833529
They could have been handled much better.
The last book is the weakest. 1-3 are the best in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.15833575]

i dropped prism after the first couple of books, it felt like it had too many coincidences. Like the person needed to push the story forward just happens to be there too many times.

[Anonymous No.15833580]

>>15833408
No one cares. You've been whining about dropping his books for years. You don't even read fantasy. Your accomplishments have been nothing but failed tasks throughout your life. Stfu

[Anonymous No.15833639]

>>15833580
All true, aside from not reading fantasy. I just didn't like his books.

[Anonymous No.15833662]

>>15833298
I like the movie, but only because I pretend it's completely sincere.

[Anonymous No.15833678]

Has anyone read the Broken Earth series? Wondering if there are similar books to compare it to out there.

[Anonymous No.15833695]

>>15833282
spreadsheets are LITERALLY magic

>>15833678
people here hate it because it was written by someone who doesn't look like them. i haven't read it.

[Anonymous No.15833765]

>>15833695
I gave up pretending to care about people's awful opinions, was just hoping to draw some comparisons.

I still enjoy breaking back into Animorphs and Goosebumps on occasion.

[Anonymous No.15833796]

>>15833008
Decided to do a few more a bit later.
This is all for now.
That Dune drop off though.

[Anonymous No.15833814]

>>15833796
You're missing at least 7 Dune books

[Anonymous No.15833830]

>>15833814
I've only included the ones by Frank Herbert.

[Anonymous No.15833831]

>>15832597
Ask me how I know you've never been published.

[Anonymous No.15833842]

>>15833830
And yet I see tWoT on there.

Your bias is showing.

[Anonymous No.15833858]

>>15833842
They're different situations.

[Anonymous No.15833867]

>>15833858
Not in the slightest, but feel free to keep deluding yourself.

[Anonymous No.15834136]

I'm on the verge of writing a sci-fi short story about the role of faith in society and mankind's continued survival but I'm stuck on whether to narrate it in the third person or the first person.

The reason I'm conflicted is that it's going to be one piece of a larger novel that is interrupted at key points in the narrative by ~5 chapters that work as stand-alone stories but also, on a higher level, describe the emotional and spiritual journey of the protagonist-narrator of the larger work. The novel narrated in the first person by a drug addict in a realistic present-day setting, investigating the disappearance of an old friend, and basically at each point in the story that he indulges, the interludes occur, mostly science fiction allegories. The other interludes have naturally lent themselves towards using third person, but the final and largest one would work best if it was also in first person, as the premise of the story is a world in which malfunctioning optical implants have left most of society experiencing hallucinations, and I think it'll be hard to sell the 'world' of the story to the reader, especially such intensely subjective and visual experiences, if it is narrated from a detached perspective. The characters in the interlude are visited by a being from an unspecified 'outside' civilisation (aliens/dimensional travellers) and they persuade it to act as an arbitrator of truth and then it turns into a The Man Who Fell To Earth sort of deal, and is also heavily inspired by PKD, particularly Radio Free Albemuth. Another aspect of these interludes is that they're meant to sound like the sort of stories a druggie would come up with, hence the typical motifs of madness, altered realities and whatnot. But I'm worried that if this interlude is written in the first person, it will clash with the first-person narration of the rest of the story 'proper'. Doing it first person would also allow me to structure it a bit like Radio Free Albemuth with the story split into a series of segments from different characters' points of view as the emphasis of the plot shifts to them, furthering the identity instability inherent to the premise. But I still feel like continuing in first person will muck up the flow of the larger work given that, so late in the novel, the reader will have become attuned to "I" being the words of the junkie protagonist. Changing format so late in the game feels like it'll end up sitting awkwardly in the rest of the text. Feels like a double-bind. Any advice on how to proceed?

[Anonymous No.15834268]

Just finished reading these. What did I think about them?

[Anonymous No.15834338]

>>15834136
First person = YA

[Anonymous No.15834342]

>>15829759
No, read moorcock instead

[Anonymous No.15834502]

Any good fantasy books that focus on good characters with believable personalities and none of that high fantasy bullshit ?

[Anonymous No.15834531]

>>15833662
Probably the correct viewing. Verhoeven is only pretending to pretend to be a fascist. Robocop same vibe.

[Anonymous No.15834538]

Will they ever fucking stop?

[Anonymous No.15834543]

>>15833678
From the many books I read I haven't gotten anything like it. People said there are animes like it, but as I don't watch anime I didn't pay attention.
You can try geomancer, it had some rock stuff going on, but nothing like broken earth.

[Anonymous No.15834566]

>>15829759
>>15832903

[Anonymous No.15834569]

>>15834538
So for anyone who's tried them, if it was inevitable that the post-Frank Dunes would be written who would you want to have written them instead?

[Anonymous No.15834576]

>>15834268
>>/lit/thread/S15632247#p15636071
>>/lit/thread/S15632247#p15637506

[Anonymous No.15834607]

>>15834538
And it's not even about the old Duke. It's just a sequel to the Prelude trilogy. What a fucking shame. I would've been at least curious if it was about the old Duke.

To everyone in this thread: I want to get into the Space Odyssey saga by Arthur C. Clarke but I'm reading that apparently the dude does not give a shit about continuity. Does this make for a confusing read or it doesn't affect the slightest the quality of the four books?

[Anonymous No.15834612]

Any recommendations for Nonfiction about humans? First Contact from the alien perspective or Alien/Human Diplomacy is my shit and I'm trying to find more of it. "A Fire Upon the Deep" and Eric Flint's "A Course of Empire" were some good examples I've already read.

[Anonymous No.15834613]

>>15833796
I was told years ago to stop at Dune and what I saw makes me glad I did.

Oathbringer was shit. It made me stop reading anything Sanderson years ago(after reading everything Sanderson had published at the time except the librarian and schizo man series, it didn't help that he dropped the new mistborn/rithmatist series for that fucking sky space girl shit).

[Anonymous No.15834631]

>>15833867
>>15833842
>>15833814
Fucking dune shits need to an hero. They try to push new anons to read all that shit.

[Anonymous No.15834666]

>>15834607
>dude does not give a shit about continuity
Stop reading fossils who forgot that they had a series they needed to continue.

[Anonymous No.15834680]

>>15834612
>for Nonfiction
Why you asking us? This is the fiction general. Ask outer lit.

[Anonymous No.15834703]

>>15834666
I haven't started the series yet, that's why I'm asking. Also
>666
nice

[Anonymous No.15834857]

Why is sffg so anti-Abercrombie?

You guys don't like the Tarantino of Fantasy?

[Anonymous No.15834883]

>>15834857
I don't even like the Tarantino of movies, because I stopped being a sophomore almost a decade ago.

[Anonymous No.15835113]

>>15834857
Babbys first subversion. It was ok the first time but now it’s the same thing in every book he writes.

[Anonymous No.15835139]

After reading enough stories featuring golems, I'm getting tired of the fact that there aren't any other jewish mythical creatures (aside from maybe the dybbuk and lillim), or any other identity for judaism-inspired magic

[Anonymous No.15835198]

>>15834342
Isn't that the guy who called Tolkien a fascist and meant it as an insult?

[Anonymous No.15835220]

>>15835198
that you don't consider it an insult normally is concerning

[Anonymous No.15835249]

>>15835198
yes, but moorcock wrote that just because he hates manlets (hobbits)

[Anonymous No.15835271]

This shit is really good. I like le Guin a lot. that's all I got

[Anonymous No.15835385]

>>15834569
Frank Herbert

[Anonymous No.15835484]

>>15827462
>over 5 million now
How, anons, how? And WHY?

[Anonymous No.15835530]

>>15835385
The only correct answer.

[Anonymous No.15835732]

>>15834569
brando sandersu

[Anonymous No.15835754]

>>15834342
These look fucking sick redpill me on these: they all one series? Protag gets laid? Sick scenes? AAARGGh

[Anonymous No.15835806]

>>15834342
Amano?

[Anonymous No.15835967]

>>15834569
N.K.Jemisin

I would have liked to see what she would do with some of the uncomfortable racial elements within the franchise.

[Anonymous No.15835984]

How do we feel about Grimdark lads?

Are we tired of it yet, or is it a fundamental part of modern adult fantasy?

[Anonymous No.15835997]

>>15835984
People were tired of grimdark 15 years ago. It's not even a trend anymore.

[Anonymous No.15836114]

>>15835754
Yes to all three
>>15835806
also yes, Moorcock is a weeb

[Anonymous No.15836137]

>>15835220
Why?

[Anonymous No.15836150]

I wish I hd the power to write more than 2 or 3 times week

[Anonymous No.15836333]

>>15836114
Do you have a download link for that artbook? There's a dead torrent on TPB and the one on Libgen isn't really HQ.

[Anonymous No.15836399]

>>15835484
>Christian equivalent of the Jews
>Unironic massive diehard following that considers themselves 'a cult'
>Touts himself as amazing for making mediocre lectures available for free - his podcast is honestly far superior, strange that not that many people reference using that.
>Writes with the required reading age of a 10 year old - easy to read with no complex thought required.
>Does everything every other author does, but posts about it on social media as if he's some gift.

No surprise that he's as popular as he is.
Just live with it, but be a peace knowing that in 10-20 years time he'll get cancel-cels mad at him, just like JKR.

[Anonymous No.15836426]

>>15836333
nevermind, I found one already

[Anonymous No.15836462]

>>15836399
>Christian equivalent of the Jews

The amount of mental gymnastics you people put yourselves through is always going to be baffling to me.

[Anonymous No.15836463]

>>15835139
You don't read enough.
I learnt of golems, the wandering jew and kabbals from fantasy books.

[Anonymous No.15836472]

>>15835139
Have you read Meyrink's Der Golem?

[Anonymous No.15836481]

>>15835139
Leviathan shows up a lot. As does Behemoth. Not much Ziz though.

[Anonymous No.15836508]

>>15835997
>People were tired of grimdark 15 years ago
>people
You can't speak for yourself and think you are speaking for everyone else, faggot.

[Anonymous No.15836516]

>>15836462
Pol should just be shot.

[Anonymous No.15836521]

>>15836462
>>15836516
You're actually a fool if you don't realise the unironic heritage of Mormonism being steeped in Judaism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_Mormonism#:~:text=Mormonism%2C%20or%20the%20Latter%20Day,hold%20them%20in%20high%20esteem.

[Anonymous No.15836525]

>>15836481
So there is a beast of air, land and sea?
What about time. Any time great beasts?

[Anonymous No.15836542]

>>15836521
All the Christian religions are from the Jewish books.
Why do you feel all of them Mormons, jewish, Islamic, your flavours of Christianity all share a lot of similar shit.

[Anonymous No.15836579]

>>15836481
the beasts of revelation are as christian as they are jewish. I think they're also in islam too, but they got smushed together into Bahamut. Maybe Ziz is can be called jewish since I'm pretty sure it doesn't actually appear in revelations, but it's religious copypasta of the simurgh.

>>15836472
>>15836463
the point is that the golem is the only one most people know. I only know of the dybbuk because of The Golem and the Jinni, as well as dnd

>>15836525
not really, at least not in judaism, though the recurring myth of the skyfather and his rebel son puts God in the same spot as Chronos.

Also, to my knowledge, the only other beast of revelation is The Dragon With Seven Heads and Ten Horns, which is meant to be the devil's true form.

[Anonymous No.15836661]

>>15836579
>dybbuk because of The Golem and the Jinni
Where was that in the book. The old witch that possessed people?

[Anonymous No.15836709]

>>15836661
there's a brief mention where the narration said people say he was possessed by a dybbuk. It was a single line but I googled it. I think I might have also remembered the name from the Fiendish Codex dnd books, but I'm not sure

[Anonymous No.15836762]

Books with a pay off as good as Armor? Also it’s a shame we didn’t get a sequel.

[Anonymous No.15836767]

>>15827379
So what are some good books mainly revolving around or at least heavily featuring witches?
Not that bullshit modern fantasy "just a mage but female"-tier good witches, I'm talking OG scary fucking bitch witches whose magic tricks involve unleashing a plague on your village for fun and making a wonderful moisturizing cream out of ground infant.

[Anonymous No.15836773]

>>15836762
What exactly was the payoff in Armor? As I remember it the main character turned into a drunk then blasted off like Team Rocket.

[Anonymous No.15836823]

>>15836773
The main pay off was the main character deciding that there was something worth fighting for, deciding to no longer be a drunk, going full Wick on the antagonist’s gang, then blasting off like Team Rocket while climbing up said rocket to beat to death the antagonist.

[Anonymous No.15836828]

>>15836767
Room on the Broom

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15836841]

>>15829162
The Well at World’s End?

[Anonymous No.15837006]

>>15828878
Pretty much anything by Piers Anthony. The first book of his Space Tyrant series is nothing but rape, rape, rape with an occasional rape mass murder strewn in. And of course the notorious child sex scene in Firefly.

[Anonymous No.15837030]

>>15834612
Have you treid the humanx books by Alan Dean Foster? A lot of those books is written from the perspective of the giant buglike Thranx.

[Anonymous No.15837049]

>>15835271
I started liking LeGuin a lot less when I realized what a huge moralizing SJW faggotry her short story "A Woman's Liberation" was, with black masters keeping white slaves.

[Anonymous No.15837052]

>>15837030
>alan dean foster
I seriously hope you don't seriously consider reading this guy. Spellsinger has blatant furfag shit in it, not to mention a forced love triangle and a dragon who exclusively talks about Das Kapital.

[Anonymous No.15837090]

/sffg/, I just finished my AtlA rewatch and looking back I've got to say, I'm feeling a lot more confident about my own fantasy writing now.

People hold it up as an example of a perfect ending and yet, Aang wins through an asspull and does it without getting his hands dirty through a second asspull, Sokka's sword skills are never put to use, Toph doesn't get any kind of conclusion at all, Ty Lee ends up completely abandoning her entire identity to embrace the same thing that made her childhood miserable for no good reason, throughout the entire four-episode finale not a single joke happens to be funny

It makes me realize my story doesn't need to be perfect to be loved. I just need to make sure I'm delivering it with a heavy dose of nostalgia

[Anonymous No.15837098]

>>15837052
ADF is one of the most prolific writers in the world, do you really judge him for a series of eight fantasy books that he wrote to cash in on some trends? The guy has writtten awesome scifi books like Midworld.

[Anonymous No.15837103]

>>15837098
>do you really judge him for
Yes.

[Anonymous No.15837109]

>>15837090
>Sokka's sword skills
You mean the skills he acquired in what seemed like three or four days of training?

[Anonymous No.15837121]

>>15837103
harsh, I bet all his millions wont comfort him over this

[Anonymous No.15837123]

>>15837121
>successful = good

[Anonymous No.15837156]

>>15837090
>Overhyped american "anime" somehow not as good as normies make it out to be
Not a surprise.

>>15837123
They're a lost cause anon, he's fallen too deep into defending shit authors.

[Anonymous No.15837194]

>>15837109
>You mean the skills he acquired in what seemed like three or four days of training?
yeah, those are the ones. The sword skills that served no purpose in the narrative, making the whole thing simply an excuse to give Sokka the white lotus tile, which never ended up being used anyway. Those are the ones I was talking about

The saddest part is, they could have used that episode to teach Aang metal bending instead. The episode ended with Toph getting a meteor bracelet she could bend that she ends up using once (and not in the final battle either), and they're shown to be super easy to metalbend, which LoK confirms, mentioning they're used for training.

Honestly, the whole final season was a mess of issues. Remember the part where Zuko could have prevented a genocide he knew was going to happen but didn't because he knew Aang wanted to do it? Remember the part where an entire ancient civilization managed to hide in secret for centuries in the most industrialized nation in the world without being noticed?

[Anonymous No.15837213]

>>15837156
>>Overhyped american "anime" somehow not as good as normies make it out to be
>Not a surprise.

oh god I'm turning into one of you people

[Anonymous No.15837278]

what is most male wish fulfillment fantasy book?

[Anonymous No.15837308]

>>15837278
Barbie's Horse Adventure

[Anonymous No.15837495]

with ~70 hours until the next dresden files book drops it just hit me that of all the main villains the Dresden Files could possibly be building up to: vampire gods, fairy queens, eldritch abominations and the fucking devil it's looking like the most likely candidate is a fucking Hidebehind

[Anonymous No.15838094]

When does it get good? Does it get good?

I think I'm on page 50 and so far it's just been random bullshit the reader doesn't have the adequate context to appreciate + some exposition. It's sort of like Fallen London/Sunless Sea except there isn't a game system to keep you interested between story chunks

[Anonymous No.15838137]

>>15837049
LeGuin is nice if mentally speaking you're still around the age of 16-18. Anything older than that and you can see right through the mediocre writing

[Anonymous No.15838218]

>>15834857
His style and dialogue are fun to read, I'll give him that, but those can only carry mediocre plot and renamed characters so far. Almost dropped him after that stupid fucking twist with Monza in BSC, but a bud convinced me to read Red Country and it was pretty comfy.

[Anonymous No.15838237]

>>15838137
100% wrong.

[Anonymous No.15838255]

>>15838237
You obviously have shit taste

[Anonymous No.15838597]

dear anon who told me to read malice the faithful and the fallen, thanks, im halway through and i am digging it. def going to pick up the others in the series

[Anonymous No.15838650]

>>15838255
Kys

[Anonymous No.15838736]

>>15838650
why is /lit/ so mean? ive only been here a week or so, but you guys are like a mirror image of /v/. /tv/ is a better place to discuss books then here

[Anonymous No.15838799]

Haven't read anything in like a week and haven't finished anything in a month :(

[Anonymous No.15838856]

>>15838650
OK brainlet

[Anonymous No.15838861]

>>15838137
you gotta be more subtle than this when you clearly don't like an author for political purposes anon

[Anonymous No.15838964]

>>15838861
I wasn't even the guy who shitted on Le Guin for her short story "A Woman's Liberation". I think she's a shitty author for different, non-political reasons you dumbass. Mostly because (as I stated previously) her stories are for literal brainlets. Guy Gavriel's "The Lions of Al Rassan", which is a standalone novel, shits on Le Guin's entire earthsea trilogy as a whole for example.

[Anonymous No.15839356]

I know there are at least some Peter Watts fans here. He was a guest on the latest Coode Street - Ten Minutes With podcast.
http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2020/07/12/episode-476-twenty-one-minutes-with-peter-watts/

[Anonymous No.15839385]

>>15838964
>Guy Gavriel is a shit author who writes historical fiction, only pretentious pseuds from outer lit who don't read fantasy like him
Fixed that 4 u, now kys you piece of shit

[Anonymous No.15839418]

>>15837194
>>15837090
When the voice actor for uncle iroh died a lot of shit had to change. I remember there was a few months hiatus while they changed shit around.

[Anonymous No.15839654]

>>15839356
Thanks anon, I'll check it out.
Should I check out The Freeze-Frame Revolution by the way? Getting tired of re-reading Rifters and Firefall.

[Anonymous No.15839722]

>>15839385
Keep seething boy, it won't make Le Guin's shitty stories any better though

[Anonymous No.15839757]

>>15839356
He sounds a bit angry and miserable.
I'm glad he's working on the third book for Firefall though.

[Anonymous No.15839815]

Gotten further in The Darkness that Comes Before. So far I like just about everyone in House Ikurei except Xerius and his grandmother. Favourite Prince of Nothing characters?

[Anonymous No.15839873]

>>15838218
Came close to dropping him because of "Gurkish Empire" and "Angland" desu

[Anonymous No.15839955]

Mitchell Hogan writes such a good repressed virgin lol.
Our protagonist just constantly sways from being clueless about sex and envy to being almost murderously horny for a girl who antagonises him.

10/10

[Anonymous No.15840341]

>>15828894
So you are writing a marvel capeshit flick?

[Anonymous No.15840374]

Just finished King of Thorn and gotta say I enjoyed it A LOT more than Prince of Thorns. Looking forward to reading the last part, after taking a break.
Now guys I have two books atm, which one should I read first?
The Tawny Man, or Well of Ascension?

[Anonymous No.15840965]

>>15839955
>redeemed a slut just from his cock
Off to a good start

[Anonymous No.15841032]

Other than House of Leaves are the any books that just have an utter sense of "wrongness" about them?

[Anonymous No.15841080]

>>15840341
Well, it would be medieval fantasy, not modern day. And it would be less lighthearted than MCU films.

[Anonymous No.15841164]

Fuck E William Brown
All the self published authors I follow released at least 2 books each since Brown made that post on his blog.

[Anonymous No.15841263]

Any thoughts on the Gunslinger? Should I waste my timer reading it or no?

[Anonymous No.15841373]

>>15841263
if you like king it's worth reading if you don't I wouldn't bother

[Anonymous No.15841418]

Has anyone here read Avogadro Corp?

A bit conflicted. Good premise and it wasn't bad, just felt very generic in writing style. The 'AI' should have been able to fake sound and video too. Because high level company decisions and directing of foreign policy with just email and web services was too bizarre. "Peace in the Middle East" was such a simplistic normie example too. But it was nice that the author had the tech background to describe the operations of a large American tech company the way he did, and Portland seemed pretty comfy too. This was his first book so I'm interested if he has become better, and if he has I wish he rewrote this because the premise is pretty good.

Are the sequels good? "A.I. Apocalypse" once again sounds so generic.

[Anonymous No.15841544]

I want to write a fun short story about a guy from our world who dies and gets isekai'd into a fantasy universe as a cat girl.
Where can I upload that shit and would you guys read it? It's gonna be as "serious" as this concept can get, meaning it won't be full of harem shit and whatever silly jokes, it will be a legit plot but I want to go full "fuck it" mode when it comes to the premise and setting.

[Anonymous No.15841565]

>>15841544
Try AO3 or Royal Road

[Anonymous No.15842567]

>>15837495
I'm still out here waiting for some sweet Ferrovax dragon action

[Anonymous No.15842583]

HOLY.... only on chapter 3 but he's already made such an immersive world with giants attacking cities (attack on titan made me cringe, but not this), as well as funny moments and possibly big potential for lore and worldbuilding. Seems like something that would at least be a trilogy, not a two novel series. Anyone else read it?

[Anonymous No.15843149]

New Dresden Files Tuesday.
Harry better fuck that illusions bitch.

[Anonymous No.15843175]

>>15843149
Laundry > Dresden

[Anonymous No.15843271]

>>15843149
>Harry better fuck that illusions bitch.
Never going to happen. Get ready for more police girl.

>>15843175
I like Laundry, but why the fuck is he sidelining Bob?

[Anonymous No.15843348]

>>15839654
he has a lot of free fiction on his site, including stories in the freeze frame universe.

[Anonymous No.15843356]

>>15838218
>after that stupid fucking twist with Monza in BSC
bro if you read the first trilogy you had to have known that 'twist' was coming. seriously how is it even a twist.

[Anonymous No.15843383]

>>15841032
Never Let Me Go

>>15841263
You can read it as a standalone horror western.

[Anonymous No.15843467]

I want to start malazan how is it?

[Anonymous No.15843486]

>>15843467
>how is it
It's absolutely horrible.

[Anonymous No.15843500]

>>15843467
Awful. Just bloody awful.

[Anonymous No.15843566]

>>15842583
Everyone read this here, it's great.

[Anonymous No.15843662]

>>15841263
The first had great promise, but by the second shifted to bland SK pop culture. Not bad if that's what you want, but I was disappointed, having really bought into the tone of the first. At some later point in the series it began to feel both random and forced and I stopped reading. I think I bought book 4 the day it came out, and that may have been the one that turned me off. I did the same exact thing with Ice and Fire!

[Anonymous No.15843670]

>>15843467
>>15833796

[Anonymous No.15843720]

>>15833796
Say what you want, but GRRM proves he is the undisputed master.

[Anonymous No.15843735]

are there any sci-fi novellas you guys would recommend? I can't find a specific chart for this. ty

[Anonymous No.15843801]

And here's where my luck with Russian litrpg ran out. What a mess.

[Anonymous No.15843802]

>>15843735
Harder to look up novellas than novels or ss' but Spinrad, Zelezny and Tiptree have loads.
This is How You Lose the Time War is the best recent one, although murderbot is excellent for just being fun.

[Anonymous No.15843814]

>>15827379
Any scifi stories set in the past? Most Scifi is set in the future (for obvious reasons) but I wonder if any authors have chosen to write "historical" scifi.

[Anonymous No.15843820]

>>15843801
I just read champion is playing and it was fucking great.

[Anonymous No.15843849]

Are there any Fantasy collections of short stories?

Seems like most of them are sci fi.

[Anonymous No.15843933]

>>15843820
Good. I'll queue it up next for redemption.

[Anonymous No.15843948]

>>15843933
Try perimeter defense too if you havent. It starts out a bit dry but its pretty good once it gets going.

[Anonymous No.15843983]

Is there a fantasy or scifi book on which the characters actually trust each other?
I'm tired of reading about shit that could be avoided if the fuckers just talked to one another and worked together.
On a somewhat unrelated note, I just finished The Way of Kings, but I don't think I'll continue with the sequels, I just don't have the stamina required for these long e p i c fantasy series, even though I kind of enjoyed the worldbuilding. I might give the audiobook a try, or maybe just read the plot points on wikipedia, like I did with The Wheel of Time after the first book.

[Anonymous No.15843991]

>>15843948
I really enjoyed Perimeter Defense, and also Dark Herbalist by the same guy.

[Anonymous No.15844056]

I love Earthsea and all you faggots should go kill yourselves.

[Anonymous No.15844084]

>>15843983
no point in giving recs to a brainlet

[Anonymous No.15844109]

>>15843849
Yes, they are called anthologies. There are many.

[Anonymous No.15844121]

>>15844109
You gonna recommend me a good one, big boi?

[Anonymous No.15844135]

>>15844121
No, I'm not. They aren't difficult to find and then there are also collections of fantasy authors works as well as magazines.

[Anonymous No.15844152]

>>15844135
;_;

Feels terrible man

We're supposed to be sffg bros.

[Anonymous No.15844154]

>>15844084
Must you be so mean, anon?
I didn't choose nor did I ask to be a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.15844161]

>>15844084
Needlessly rude!
>>15843983
>>15844154
>Is there a fantasy or sci-fi book on which the characters actually trust each other?
Come to think of it, not much comes to mind? Obviously there's Lord of the Rings of course. There's distrust, but each group of heroes largely trusts one another.

Think about the kind of world these books typically take place, and it makes sense distrust is often a big plot point.

[Anonymous No.15844214]

>>15844152
Consider a different approach next time with a different attitude.

There's obvious ones with names like Year's Best Fantasy or Year's Best Dark Fantasy, 100 Great Fantasy Short Short Stories.

Here's one rec:
The Way of the Wizard

[Anonymous No.15844225]

>>15844161
Thanks for the reply, anon.
> Lord of the Rings
I read Fellowship earlier this year, for the first time in almost 10 years. I can't really say that I enjoyed it.
>Think about the kind of world these books typically take place, and it makes sense distrust is often a big plot point.
You're right, of course. I'm just tired of it.

[Anonymous No.15844247]

>>15843735
These aren't read much and those that are read mostly aren't well rated by /sffg/. I don't know why that is.

[Anonymous No.15844430]

Asoiaf book 6 and the name of the wind book 3 will come out before E William Brown releases anything.

[Anonymous No.15844465]

Anyone read either of these?
>A Prince's Errand (Dan and Robert Zangari)
>Oblivion (Andy Blinston)
Just wondering about their quality

[Anonymous No.15844479]

who here /mistborn/

[Anonymous No.15844534]

>>15844225
>>15844154
>>15843983
You probably only will find that in young adult shit. Adults know not to trust 100% unless the person is magically bound to not harm you.

[Anonymous No.15844656]

>>15843983
>Is there a fantasy or scifi book on which the characters actually trust each other?
The Lies of Locke Lamora

[Anonymous No.15844719]

>>15844465
First one looks bad from the preview I read and basically no one has read it in general from what I see.
>Yes its independently published. LOK Publishing is owned and operated by myself and my father, Dan Zangari.
Vanity Publishing at its finest.

The other also looks bad.
Lastly, don't trust me.

[Anonymous No.15844901]

Does anyone have a good resource on how to write fiction? I read, write, and try to think very critically about every decision I make - but I'm curious on the perspectives of other writers (rather than me trying to parse it from their works).

[Anonymous No.15844949]

>>15843983
Most xianxia has that

[Anonymous No.15844965]

>>15844656
>The Lies of Locke Lamora
You mean before the author was cucked and started to reflect his distrust in his books?

[Anonymous No.15845002]

>>15829530
stormlight archive

[Anonymous No.15845017]

>>15843566
What's so good about it

[Anonymous No.15845031]

>>15844656
>The Lies of Locke Lamora
I read that a couple of years ago, didn't find it too interesting, I remember basically nothing about it.
>>15844949
>xianxia
That sounds interesting, different from what I'm used to. Got any recommendations?
>>15844901
"On Writing", by Stephen King might interest you.

[Anonymous No.15845092]

>>15835967

Not sure if this was supposed to be bait but Jemisin is simply an awful writer and you should be ashamed of yourself.

[Anonymous No.15845101]

>>15829530
Lightbringer

[Anonymous No.15845111]

>>15844901
Unironically the sanderson lectures. I can barely tolerate his persona and I've never finished a book of his because his writing is awful, but he does have an interesting perspective on writing fiction, and I enjoyed learning more about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HOdHEeosc&list=PLSH_xM-KC3Zv-79sVZTTj-YA6IAqh8qeQ

[Anonymous No.15845123]

>>15834569
>So for anyone who's tried them, if it was inevitable that the post-Frank Dunes would be written who would you want to have written them instead?

Cormac McCarthy for >they rode on

[Anonymous No.15845132]

>>15829530

The Iron Dragon's Daughter

[Anonymous No.15845149]

>>15845031
>>15845111
Cheers. I'll give both a look.

[Anonymous No.15845156]

>>15845031
World of Cultivation

[Anonymous No.15845194]

>>15845123
Is the dude on the bottom from the first tremors movie?
I fucking loved that movie and its sequels. Even the weird one in Arfrica. Burt Gummer is one of the best characters written in any fiction ever. He is if you distilled /k/ and /diy/ into a person but but stripped all the negative bits.

Recommend me some operator as fuck books.

[Anonymous No.15845244]

>>15845194
>Recommend me some operator as fuck books.

I don't think there are any, or could be any.

The whole point of operator-ness is to have partaken of experiences that don't translate well into linear narrative?

[Anonymous No.15845276]

>>15845244
I mean there has to be something out there. There's a series for everything. Otherwise all i have left is playing Arma.

[Anonymous No.15845311]

Anyone else have a harder time retaining stuff via audiobook than actually reading? I tried audible for the first time and I feel like I only retained major plot points.

[Anonymous No.15845312]

>>15845276

The only thing I can think of is a non-fiction work: Never Split The Difference

It's about the invention and evolution of modern hostage negotation tactics.

[Anonymous No.15845330]

>>15845276

The only thing I can think of is a non-fiction work: Never Split The Difference

It's about the invention and evolution of modern hostage negotiation tactics.

[Anonymous No.15845346]

>>15845311
Yea audiobooks are for listening to and forgetting everything while at work

[Anonymous No.15845365]

>>15845330
Read it but not exactly what i am looking for. Heck at this point id take operating in any sort of setting. Maybe there's a book about a fucking squad of Dwarves in the middle of a war or something. Maybe a bunch of vets encountering a predator of alien or magical nature and have to deal with it or something. I am really not picky but id like it to be very operational.

[Anonymous No.15845404]

>>15829557
>I hope there is a glossary in the paper version of those books.
There is.

[Anonymous No.15845436]

Finished the first Lyonesse trilogy book after 2 weeks of reading.
Very nice so far. The epilogue was a bit jarring but again must epilogues are.
Also fuck Melancthe the stupid thot deserves death, Casmir is a bit of a dick by she and Carfilhot were the only ones who truly pissed me off in the book

[Anonymous No.15845454]

>>15845365

I have a background in aviation so a lot of the operational stuff I am familiar with is related to air combat. You might enjoy Blesse's "No Guts, No Glory". It's not really a story... just a primer on how not to completely suck at shooting down MiG-15s over Korea seventy years ago.

[Anonymous No.15845457]

>>15845031
Don't read xianxia, you will slog trough 500 badly written chapters with minimal progress and then wonder what is it that you are doing in your live to be wasting time like this.

[Anonymous No.15845466]

>>15845454
Hey its better than nothing at least. I appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.15845483]

>>15845457
Junior, you dare?

[Anonymous No.15845541]

>>15845483
I will forget this incident in order to save you face. But do not approach to me again, as I will repay any insult a thousandfold.

[Anonymous No.15845544]

>>15845457
>then wonder what is it that you are doing in your live to be wasting time like this.
I unironically thought exactly this as I was reading The Way Of Kings.
But, yes, I don't like the idea of reading a poorly translated book.

[Anonymous No.15845636]

>>15843814
Hawksbill Station, a short story by Robert Silverberg, where modern day criminals are sent back to the paleozoic era where the highest lifeforms are trilobites.

And of course the "Pliocene Exiles"series by Julian May.

If you are not familiar with Iain M. Banks's "Culture" series I suggest you read Inversions. It is a kind of science fiction in an historical setting, and also a pretty cool and unique introduction to the Culture series. You cant read that book again the same way once you have read the other books and know what the Culture is.

[Anonymous No.15845661]

>>15845636
Culture is like the communist utopia, benevolent AI dictatorship and the humans are merely pets

[Anonymous No.15845741]

>>15845661
>benevolent AI dictatorship and the humans are merely pets
Honestly that is not communists, it's just sensible (and authoritarian).
I can't imagine a better world than one under ever increasingly smart benevolent AI (because we programmed to love as an an intrinsic part of their being or sometime similar) that makes sure we are healthy and maybe even immortal is our biology is ever able to allow us that.
The only one who would have any problem are the "i ratter rule in hell" kind of people.

[Anonymous No.15845801]

guys r/fantasy is getting filtered by Thomas Covenant again

[Anonymous No.15845819]

>>15845801
>Thomas Covenant
Never heard of it what is about and should i read it? if Reddit hates it It at least has my interest.

[Anonymous No.15845834]

>>15845819
I tried to read it several times and I couldn’t

[Anonymous No.15845841]

>>15845834
because it was bad, difficult or has an archaic writing style?

[Anonymous No.15845857]

>>15845819
it's portal fantasy from the 70s where the protagonist is a self-loathing suicidal emotional wreck, he's pretty based.

[Anonymous No.15845879]

>>15845841
Didn’t like the protag

[Anonymous No.15845911]

>>15845879
Filtered

[Anonymous No.15845934]

>>15845911
It’s a Legitimate reason, ok?

[Anonymous No.15846133]

/sffg/, what's your opinion on "tech tree fantasy?"
(i.e. stories focused on the process of technological, scientific or magical innovation)

examples include
>The Dandelion Dynasty (The Grace of Kings/The Wall of Storms),
>Various Discworld books (Going Postal, Making Money, Moving Pictures, etc.)
>Log Horizon
>Ascendance of a Bookworm
>Dr Stone

My current book is culinary tech tree fantasy, but I'm realizing the sequels are going to require a lot of thinking if I want to stay in the subgenre

[Anonymous No.15846146]

>>15846133
I think it’s fucking awful and I guarrenteed drop those books like a bug covered stone
Magic is magic... not just another form of super special electricity that allows a medieval society to have an industrial revolution...

[Anonymous No.15846161]

>>15846146
I agree. The worst part is when authors think up magical systems that are similar to programming.
Magic should just be fucking magical. Whats wrong with snapping your fingers and some guy burns to death? Nothing that's what.

[Anonymous No.15846195]

>>15846161
And they isekai a self insert middle aged programmer grunt into their fantasy world.

I’ve read at least 2 books like that.

[Anonymous No.15846206]

>>15846146
you know, it's funny. I included magical innovation because I thought that would count, but I'm not sure I've seen an example that did that with magic.

All the ones I mentioned (at least the ones of those I've read and don't just know of by reputation) focus on characters creating non-magical inventions through non-magical means. Hell, in ascendance of a bookworm, the main character has a ridiculous amount of magical power at her disposal but doesn't even try to make use of it

[Anonymous No.15846365]

>>15845092
entertain me, post a pic of the worst page of Fifth Season you can find

[Anonymous No.15846496]

>>15838964
I've only read Left Hand of Darkness, its kinda dry but you can easily pretend its hard scifi if you focus on the anthropological details as opposed to the gender/cold war themes elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.15846605]

New thread.
>>15846603
>>15846603
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[Anonymous No.15846629]

Is Robert Charles Wilson's Spin good? There is no translation to my language so I wonder is it worth a trouble and headache reading in original.

[Anonymous No.15846632]

Are there any fantasy books out there that can even capture this feel?

[Anonymous No.15846648]

Why did /hfg/ die in a week?

[Anonymous No.15846655]

>>15846605
>no thread title
Not gonna show up on my catalog, not gonna bother bumping it.

[Anonymous No.15846660]

>>15846655
He deleted it now kek. Don't make another one retarded anon

[Anonymous No.15846662]

>>15846655
Sorry. Redone. NEW THREAD
>>15846661
>>15846661
>>15846661

[Anonymous No.15846669]

>>15846662
>that edition name
I wont bump it either.

[Anonymous No.15846670]

>>15846660
Too late, mister.

[Anonymous No.15846674]

>>15846669
Oh well. This general has been long dying anyway. Maybe it'll die altogether. A man can dream.