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Greetings anons, I will be posting in this thread information pertaining to the little giant known as UG links below will provide his background, along with books (he never wrote, but others wrote of him), and interviews. Take this man seriously. It is a miracle to have this much information available to us on a man such as UG.

>> No.15038996

Read and watch these if you are serious about exploring the man, he's challenging and will guaranteed frustrate you.

Some okay background infomation

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U._G._Krishnamurti

>https://ug-krishnamurti.blogspot.com/2010/09/question-of-mind-ug-krishnamurti-what.html

Mystique of enlightenment

>https://www.holybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/U.G.-Krishnamurti-The-Mystique-of-Enlightenment.pdf

Mind is a myth

>https://archive.org/details/U.G.KrishnamurtiMindIsAMyth/mode/2up

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJ3oDLkoX0

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC1GULbovo8

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx8f76kuGAY

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRNvmZtASqA

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWsNfoiU-_4

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-LZSl6TGdw

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1exoQ3W-6E4

I missed other pertinent interviews where he it is palatable. You can find those on Youtube

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U.G Krishnamurti on Jiddu Krishnamurti (no relation) :

>Jiddu Krishnamurti always began his talks with the refrain, 'Let us take a journey together.' I asked him one day, 'Where are you? Are you there? Or are you actually taking a journey with us? You pick a subject and ask us to proceed step by step, logically, rationally, sanely and intelligently. There comes a point when you exclaim, "I got it! Somebody got it?" It is theatrics. It's a performance. To put it crudely, it is burlesque. You take off and talk of love, bliss, beatitude, immensity and so on. But we are left high and dry. You are offering us bogus chartered flights.'

>The question that was uppermost in my mind every time I encountered Jiddu Krishnamurti was this: 'What is there behind all those abstractions you are throwing at me? Is there anything at all? I am not interested in your poetic and romantic descriptions. As for your abstractions, you are no match to the mighty thinkers that India has produced—you can't hold a candle to them. The way you describe things gives me the feeling that you have at least "seen the sugar"—to use a familiar traditional metaphor—but I am not sure that you have tasted the sugar.'

>I repeated this question time and again, one way or another, at every meeting with Jiddu Krishnamurti and never received a direct or satisfactory answer. The total break came in Bombay. This was my last visit with him for a long time. Again I asked him if there was anything behind the abstractions he was throwing at me, 'Come clean for once.' Then he said with great force, 'You have no way of knowing it!' Then I said, 'If I have no way of knowing it and you have no way of communicating it, what the hell have we been doing? I have wasted seven years listening to you. You can give your precious time to somebody else. I am leaving for New York tomorrow.' Krishnamurti said, 'Pleasant journey and safe landing!

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>Whatever pursuit you are indulging in, somewhere along the line it has to dawn on you that it is not leading you anywhere. As long as you want something, you will do that. That want has to be very, very clear. What do you want? All the time I ask you the question, "What do you want?" You say, "I want to be at peace with myself." That is an impossible goal for you because everything you are doing to be at peace with yourself is what is destroying the peace that is already there. You have set in motion the movement of thought which is destroying the peace that is there, you see. It is very difficult to understand that all that you are doing is the impediment, is the one thing that is disturbing the harmony, the peace that is already there

>If you are freed from the goal of the "perfect" ,"godly", "truly religious" then that which is natural in man begins to express itself. Your religious and secular culture has placed before you the ideal man or woman, the perfect human being, and then tries to fit everybody into that mold. It is impossible. Nature is busy creating absolutely unique individuals, whereas culture has invented a single mold to which all must conform. It is grotesque

>Political institutions and ideologies are the warty outgrowth of the religious thinking of the man; in a way responsible for the tragedy of mankind. We are slaves to our ideas and beliefs, and we torture ourselves in the hope of achieving something. All our experience, spiritual or otherwise, is the basic cause of our suffering... The body is not interested in anything "you" are interested in; that is the battle that is going on all the time.

>The fact is that we don't want to be free. What is responsible for our problems is the fear of losing what we have and what we know. All these therapies, all these techniques, religious or otherwise, are only perpetuating the agony of man.

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That women in the photo was a movie star in India, UG was personal friends with a movie director who had an affair with the woman. The woman described UG as the most special person she ever met. Here is her account of her time spent with UG

http://ug-krishnamurti.blogspot.com/2010/09/parveen-babi-on-ug-i-must-state-few.html?m=1

>I must state a few facts about U.G. Krishnamurti here, because it is impossible to understand my case without knowing a little bit about U.G. and the facts of his enlightenment. The only word, which aptly describes U.G., is ‘perfect' human being.

>U.G. is the most perfect human being I have met in my life and in the world. There is nothing apparently extraordinary about him. It is when you spend some time with him that you see the perfection operating. I have lived and traveled with U.G. and after being with him for a substantial period of time I realized that U.G. treats human beings as human beings—as the human beings should be treated: with respect, consideration, understanding, and compassion. I also realized that he treats everybody as his equal, whether the person is younger, poorer, richer or older. We all treat people as relations—either above us or below us—we do not treat people as our equals. U.G. treats people not as relations but as human beings, and as his equals. I had never known or experienced anybody treating human beings this way. I saw and experienced U.G. treat human beings with the respect and dignity human beings deserve. U.G. also treats each person as one needs to be treated.

>Every act which U.G. performs is the right act—the act which is morally right, ethically right, circumstantially right, right for the other people, and right for himself. This behavior comes naturally to U.G. He does not make deliberate effort to act this way. Nor is his behavior accompanied by the feeling that he is a special person, that his behavior is special and that he is doing people a favor by treating them with respect and dignity. This behavior is so natural and so unselfconscious that most people do not even recognize and notice that his behavior is perfect and that they are being treated in a very special way. Most people who come in contact with him do not even recognize these very special qualities about him. Not everybody can recognize perfection. To recognize perfection one has to have it’s germ in oneself.

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UG pissed off Osho

>http://ug-k.blogspot.com/2007/04/encounter-if-you-are-searching-for.html?m=1

Former follower of Osho, a famous movie director from India, meets UG, leaves Osho, this continued to happen, Osho was very upset and started berating UG.

>The front office of the ashram had warned the sannyasi against seeing U.G. After they met U.G., many of Rajneesh's very close devotees had quit the ashram. I remember in those days, Rajneesh gave four talks against U.G., calling him all sorts of names. 'U.G., you have not said a word in response to the repeated attacks Rajneesh has been making on you of late. Why? I have also noticed that you don't say much against any particular guru,' I asked.

>His reply was unusual: Gurus play a social role. So do prostitutes. Unfortunately, in society, what the gurus are offering is not only socially acceptable but also considered the be-all and end-all of our existence. The others are not. You choose what suits you best...

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>> No.15039341

Bump

>> No.15039432

Yes, but why should I care about him?

>> No.15039448

>>15038991
I remember watching him say something like "If you want to rape, just do it, who cares? Be brave, what's stopping you? Morals? The rules of your guru? Go rape."

So I stopped watching him because he's a faggot

>> No.15039517

I never understand what this guy is actually about. Most of his interviews are informal and disjointed and other people do nothing but blow smoke up his ass. They only take away I've gotten from him is that he's some sort of anti-spirtualist nihilist or something.

>> No.15039530

>>15039448
He never said that, you mean sex. I remember that exact same statement he never said rape.

>> No.15039535

>>15039517
He's a hammer take it or leave it

>> No.15039537

>>15039432
The post is innocuous, whether you do or don't I don't care

>> No.15039554

>>15039530
Nope, not sex, He was talking about rape. Which is why I found it so shocking.

"go have sex when you want" there's nothing shocking about that.that's the norm.

>> No.15039560

>hurrr i'm not a guru i'm just gonna keep acting like one and talking like one to gullible nihilists

>> No.15039565

>>15039554
I doubt it because i rememeber him saying the same thing, but replaced rape with sex. But if true he probably said that to shut the person up, or that if you want to do so there is no force that could stop you so stop talking about it and do it

>> No.15039579

>>15039560
He never asked for anything, he never asked for a book to be written, interviews, people came in and out of his life, he had a worldly reputation due to his early life in the theosophical society. He repudiated gurus time and time again. He made no profit from anything under his name, he was asked in an interview what do you what to be remembered for he said "nothing destroy everything in my name"

>> No.15039778

>>15039579
>"nothing destroy everything in my name"
So why don't you do just that and delete this thread? You don't care about your totally-not-a-guru's wishes??

>> No.15039798

>>15039778
I share UG to generate response and discussion. Again you calling him a guru is fallacious and quite funny.

>> No.15039812

>>15039798
>>15039778
This is probably my last post so I wanted it to be a major info dump on him so if anyone ever archives and searches they find this

>> No.15039842

>>15039579
That's all fine and dandy, but he still behaved in such a way as to propagate himself as a guru figure -his own thoughts on the matter are irrelevant when looking at his actions. It's like people who dye their hair blue saying "I don't care what people think about my hair!", you clearly do. People who genuinely don't care about their hair just pop into the hair salon once a month and say "make it shorter".
It's the same principle. If he really didn't care he would have kept his mouth shut, refused all interviews, and refused all meetings but he obviously relished in all the attention he was constantly getting from everyone.

>> No.15039864

>>15039842
>If he really didn't care he would have kept his mouth shut, refused all interviews, and refused all meetings but he obviously relished in all the attention he was constantly getting from everyone.
He did kick people away, told people to go, but why not engage a bit? He did it for the fun of it, he gained nothing from it. There is no charm in being anti social, he was a penniless man who had to depend on others to survive first off, so he needed good relations with certain people even if he hated them, luckily for him he had connections with people all over.

>> No.15039913

>>15039842
this
>>15039864
>he gained nothing from it
>he was a penniless man who had to depend on others to survive
he was an attention whore who leached off naive celebrities

>> No.15039942

>>15039913
You know nothing about him. You're just a concern troll

>> No.15039949

>>15039913
>he was an attention whore
How?

>> No.15039957

>>15039949
>>15039913
You could call anyone an attention whore or guru if you want. I'm quite certain you just a bored concern troll

>> No.15040033

what's his best book/best introduction?

>> No.15040049

>>15040033
It's important you read his background, maybe a few interviews formal and informal. There is a biography done by his friend Mahesh Batt on him which is very very informative. I read it and enjoyed it. Then Mystique of Enlightenment is the most well known, Mind is a myth is another which I linked the two pdfs above, you could easily find a torrent for them I bet if the format isn't your liking

>> No.15040115

>>15039041
What is this dude talking about? The only thing I see is a justification for fat people. The body is perfect?

Or is he alluding to determinism

>> No.15040160

Good thread, thanks OP

>> No.15040168

>>15040115
The body is not interested in anything "you" are interested in; that is the battle that is going on all the time.

>> No.15040178

>>15038991
Love UG.
He changed my life forever. Some things cannot be unread!

>> No.15040179

>>15039001
That's the face of a woman ready to fuck

>> No.15040181

>>15040168
It's a seperate entity that cannot be dictated? seems questionable

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>>15040179
Unfortunately for her, past his 49th year he never had sex again

>> No.15040227

>>15040191
Interesting. So, in his own way, he realized the ancient student-householder-ascetic progression after all

>> No.15040252

>>15040115
Your mind has been colonized by false and rigid categories

>> No.15040264

>>15040252
Rigid yes, false? Incomplete yes

>> No.15040269

>>15040227
They were just friends they shared mutuals. Here is what she thought of him >>15039023

>> No.15040309

i love green wall of texts, will read it for sure

>> No.15040401

>>15040309
Looks nice with the blue

>> No.15040559

>enlightenment doesn't exist -- stop paying your guru
>ps: i am enlightened by my anti-enlightenment and willing to be your (anti-)guru for a small fee
Fake ass faggot shit. This is why western philosophy is infinitely superior. Anyone who uses enlightenment in a non-western sense is retarded.

>> No.15040577

>>15040559
UG has nothing to do with enlightenment he advocates wholly against such endeavors, he talks shit about India

>> No.15040630

>>15040577
>>I must state a few facts about U.G. Krishnamurti here, because it is impossible to understand my case without knowing a little bit about U.G. and the facts of his enlightenment. The only word, which aptly describes U.G., is ‘perfect' human being.
>>U.G. is the most perfect human being I have met in my life and in the world.
Fake ass guru faggot shit. Ain't no one perfect unless all are perfect. How long are you gonna listen to con artist niggers tell you how to live? Philosophy is a scientific endeavour and evolutionary in nature. Self-help is for simps. Read Kant.

>> No.15040631

>>15040577
>UG has nothing to do with enlightenment
What I mean is its something he disparages constantly

>> No.15040654

>>15040630
Self help is for simps. No self help here, this is a sledgehammer pussyboi. Fuck Kant Western philosophy, Eastern philosophy are both gay. You know nothing about thread or UG you're another concern troll. Keep coping

>> No.15040662

>>15040630
>Fake ass guru faggot shit
>read Kant
Take your own advice faggot zoomer

>> No.15040676

>>15040630
>some shit someone else wrote about him
Kys

>> No.15040691

>>15040654
Admittedly, I have not read him. But this thread makes him seem like just another guru except somewhat unusual fot pretending to be an anti-guru. Idk. Does he make any significant contribution to ethics, logic, aesthetics, epistemology, or metaphysics? That's what I look for in philosophers. If all he is saying is that enlightenment is a fake and gay scam then we've known that in the West for centuries...

>> No.15040713

>>15040691
>>15040691
He destroys the whole edifice, if you want contributions to made enjoy being on the merry go round for entirety
>Does he make any significant contribution to ethics, logic, aesthetics, epistemology, or metaphysics?
>If all he is saying is that enlightenment is a fake and gay scam then we've known that in the West for centuries..
You do care, you are a self help fag, you are interested in the wests form on enlightenment, same shit.. Get off the merry-go-round pussy

>> No.15040714

>>15040691
No, he doesn’t.
Now piss off

>> No.15040724

>>15040713
The more you listen to UG THE LESS YOU understand his point
Tell them there is NOTHING to understand.

>> No.15040729

>>15040724
Yes

>> No.15040741

>>15040691
All the info you need if you genuinely care is here >>15038996

>> No.15040749

he literally fuckin' snapped into an existential psychosis and fell upon the same shit all the spiritual nuts suck on. did he ever do anything valuable with his fuckin life no. just attracted the same batch of spiritual flies so afraid of 'not having an answer'

>> No.15040758

>>15040749
He snapped out of the psychosis you mean

>> No.15040767

>>15040758
only if you consider rational thought a psychosis

>> No.15040769

>>15040749
>did he ever do anything valuable with his fuckin life no
Yes, infinitely more than anything you will ever do

>> No.15040774

>>15040769
such as?

>> No.15040775

>>15040767
Thought is psychosis, as he would say "you see nothing, you are blind!"

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>>15039001
>>15039004
Hahahahahah! The funny thing is that both Krishnamurti’s were actually saying the same thing. One of them (Jiddu) was just more polished and poetic and delicate about it, whereas UG was more ruthless and (to put it one way) masculine about it.

>> No.15040794

>>15040767
That’s exact;y what it is retard.
Consciousness and rationality is a cancer on the biological organism.
Look at animals, they cannot be said to be rational or conciliatory. They have behaviours, but not rationale. They are far better off than us and your Kant and other garbage clutching at straws
As soon as religion was invented it was the beginning of the end. Rationality is a plague and ‘truth’ is brain damage

>> No.15040795

>>15040789
Incorrect, they were wholly different, Jiddu was a fraud bastard like all gurus

>> No.15040799

>>15040794
>conciliatory
Wtf iPad? Concious

>> No.15040801

>>15040774
Freedom. Your life is already a dead thing. You are living a lie and you don't know it.

>> No.15040807

>>15040789
U.G. hated Jiddu

>> No.15040825

>>15040795
why are you parroting UG like he's your guru? also could you point out specifically the points in which they differed?

>> No.15040832

>>15039842
How sad that paranoid and judgmental people can’t profit from spiritual wisdom! So you of course think “gurus” and “masters” are trying to sell you something instead of just speaking the truth as they see fit. This is because your own motives are themselves low. You can’t imagine performing anything in the service of the truth. You can only imagine selling stuff, doing stuff for profit, such as when you work for your boss or corporation. So you of course imagine that UG and everyone like UG is actually like you, just out there trying to make profit and sell themselves out. And then you miss out, which is sad for yourself, but not particularly sad for anyone else.

>> No.15040858

>>15040795
>dude all your efforts to be enlightened are covering up the peace that’s already there
>dude a lot of spiritual teachers and gurus are frauds
>dude all political, social, religious, and economic systems are just artificial cover-ups of the truth that’s already there

They’re practically the same fucking person. Not only that, but this is the same as teachings you can find recorded as “Zen,” “Taoism,” and even in some cases as “Tibetan Vajrayana Buddhism.”

>>15040807
Who cares? You can hate someone and still say the same stuff as them because you’ve seen the same truth.

>> No.15040871

>>15040825
>why are you parroting UG like he's your guru?
It is a UG thread, whenever Jiddu would come up he would call him a bastard and fraud. So might as well.
>also could you point out specifically the points in which they differed?
Literally everything. Jiddu believed in enlightenment, Jiddu was a guru, UG was opposed to Jiddu in nearly everyway?

>> No.15040885

>>15040858
Wrong, U.G. COMPLETELY rejects the notion of enlightenment. People confuse his calamity state with an attainable form of enlightenment. Therefore sinking themselves deeper into the same trap. U.G. is not trying to help you see that you are ‘already enlightened’. He is begging you to just shut the fuck up and forget about it

>> No.15040886

>>15040871
Pleasant journey and safe landing!

>> No.15040887

>>15040858
UG had no teachings cunt fuck off trying to obfuscate, he hated all sects with a passion.
>Who cares? You can hate someone and still say the same stuff as them because you’ve seen the same truth.
They talked nothing alike lol

>> No.15040898

>>15040885
So basically like what I just said except nitpicking over the exact words I used?

>> No.15040902

>>15040898
No not at all

>> No.15040924

>>15040898
Why not go listen to U.G. talk about Jiddu if you must

>> No.15041006

>>15039842
>>15039913
I don't think this is comparable. Its like dismissing Nietzsche as a nihilist simply for criticizing established values - do you really think "destroy everything in my name" is some sort of command he's making? Do you really think these posters "follow" this guy?

>> No.15041058

>>15040871
>It is a UG thread, whenever Jiddu would come up he would call him a bastard and fraud. So might as well.
why don't you stand on your own two feet
>Literally everything. Jiddu believed in enlightenment, Jiddu was a guru, UG was opposed to Jiddu in nearly everyway?
You only have words to go by regarding either of their experiences, doesn't change the fact that something happened to UG, and that he had that experience during a Jiddu lecture, and that he said you need to let go of the idea of enlightenment, and maybe then something can happen, what do you think he meant by that something?

>> No.15041156

>>15040902
>>15040924
Pleasant journey and safe landing!

>> No.15041162

>>15041006
>do you really think "destroy everything in my name" is some sort of command he's making? Do you really think these posters "follow" this guy?
He is a sledgehammer in the sense that he negates things in such a way to smash your pretensions. He doesn't believe in a better world or alteration because it's just a reshuffling our our value system, of culture which stems from thought, thought is the issue, it is irredeemable, WE ARE DOOMED. That doeant mean to become a nihilist, not at all. Reading more above links posted

>> No.15041175

>>15041058
Iirc he was simply at bench in Switzerland when the calamity happened.
> that he said you need to let go of the idea of enlightenment, and maybe then something can happen, what do you think he meant by that something?
The "I" is a myth

>> No.15041192

Words don't do this man any justice. You either semi get it or you don't

>> No.15041240

He found it for himself. There's a video of him being asked, "how do you know all these things?" and essentially if I recall correctly he says something like he figured it out for himself, unequivocally, so he doesn't give a shit what you think, he's not a guru etc.
T.S. Eliot, "and the end of all our exploring will be to end up where we started and know that place for the first time"

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>>15041240
Indeed anon, indeed

>> No.15041330

>>15041175
>The "I" is a myth
putting it this way is reductive, the "I" is more like a machine or terminal with cobweb texture, sticky, spongy, in some cases with hidden barbs - simply calling it a myth can redirect people right back into its labyrinth

>> No.15041340

>>15041330
What difference does it make? You have to figure it our yourself

>> No.15041343

>>15041340
fair enough

>> No.15041576

>>15041175
>Iirc he was simply at bench in Switzerland when the calamity happened.
"Krishnamurti was again there in Saanen giving talks. My friends dragged me there and said "Now at least it is a free business. Why don't you come and listen?" I said "All right, I'll come and listen." When I Iistened to him, something funny happened to me -- a peculiar kind of feeling that he was describing my state and not his state. Why did I want to know his state? He was describing something, some movements, some awareness, some silence -- "In that silence there is no mind; there is action" -- all kinds of things. So, "I am in that state. What the hell have I been doing these thirty or forty years, listening to all these people and struggling, wanting to understand his state or the state of somebody else, Buddha or Jesus? I am in that state. Now I am in that state." So, then I walked out of the tent and never looked back. Then -- very strange -- that question "What is that state?" transformed itself into another question "How do I know that I am in that state, the state of Buddha, the state I very much wanted and demanded from everybody? I am in that state, but how do I know? The next day (UG's forty-ninth birthday) I was sitting on a bench under a tree overlooking one of the most beautiful spots in the whole world."
>Jiddu believed in enlightenment
Also, could you provide one source where Jiddu claimed he was enlightened?

>> No.15041607

>>15041576
>Also, could you provide one source where Jiddu claimed he was enlightened?
He was in the guru business acting as an authority? Attempting to pass down his bullshit onto others to help them see the "truth" man cmon Jiddu was horrible

>> No.15041705

>>15041607
If he wanted to maintain an authority status why disband the theosophy society? And don't give me some quote from UG. Would be nice if you could provide some specific examples instead of vague generalizations coming from UG's mouth. UG had it in for everyone, and you're just parroting him. If someone gave me money for doing talks I'd take it same as Jiddu or UG. The only major fault Jiddu had was believing in some mystical shit like healing, but UG said stupid shit too, like every other person who has ever lived, you're just picking your favorite dog in this fight. Still at least we can agree now that you're educated on the fact that UG's calamity began with Jiddu, without Jiddu your guru wouldn't exist.

>> No.15041761

>>15041705
Jiddu would hold talks and charge people for it. UG was offered the chance he declined and thought it was grotesque and frivolous.
>your guru
I'm just sharing UG, again I have to remind you because of your obvious cognitive problems UG was no guru and I don't even care about UG like that ever
>without Jiddu there would be no UG
This is fallacious nonsense, Jiddu was a delusional fool with delusions of graduer

>> No.15041780

>>15038991
based

>> No.15041797

>>15041761
>>15041705
UG dunking on Jiddu
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YxrjGMuAEIk

>> No.15041799

>>15041761
UG went and on that day the "calamity" began, this is a pure coincidence, no cognitive dissonance there.

Also may I remind you of: 1. Money matters most in life. 2. Be not shy about money-making. 3. Trust not anyone with money.

>> No.15041816

>>15041799
went to jiddu's talk*

>> No.15041845

>>15041799
>UG went and on that day the "calamity" began, this is a pure coincidence, no cognitive dissonance there.
Means nothing
>Also may I remind you of: 1. Money matters most in life. 2. Be not shy about money-making. 3. Trust not anyone with money.
Yes money is what matters

>> No.15041876

>>15041845
>Means nothing
toppest of keks m8

>> No.15041899

>>15041876
The calamity is acausal

>> No.15041927

'We are all just dogs barking at each other WOOF WOOF'
He is wrong tho that there is no spiritual journey you should just forget about it all but he is right that seeking that enlightenment state is trap as many sages have said seeking only puts you in a mind trap of future salvation which never comes.

>> No.15041948

>>15041899
oh, when did yours happen?

>> No.15041956

>>15041948
I'm repeating to you what UG said

>> No.15041983

>>15041956
was UG equally as fallible as any other human, like jiddu, or was he above them?

>> No.15042190

>>15040795
>>15040807
>>15040871
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>>15041607
>>15041761
Have you ever read anything written by Jiddu? He despised the idea of gurus and spiritual leaders of any sort. I have to say I haven't read anything about UG except his wikipedia page so I can't say anything about UG's philosophy, but you got Jiddu really wrong. I'll just copy and paste a few quotes from him.

"I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect."

"All ideologies are idiotic, whether religious or political, for it is conceptual thinking, the conceptual word, which has so unfortunately divided man."

"Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the understanding of a problem."

"A man who is not afraid is not aggressive, a man who has no sense of fear of any kind is really a free, a peaceful man."

"To live is to find out for yourself what is true, and you can do this only when there is freedom, when there is continuous revolution inwardly, within yourself."