/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.14009512]

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>>14009531
>It's true though it was more phrased as only books about white people are successful so that is all we'll accept from new authors.

Do you have a source for that? Because that sounds really unlikely unless she was trying to get published 30 years ago.

[Anonymous No.14009657]

Wheel of Time is for queers

[Anonymous No.14009825]

>>14009657
Season 5, main character is stuck in a box for 23 episodes
UNFILMABLE

[Anonymous No.14010245]

>>14009657
I was just about to buy the first book. Convince me not to.

[Anonymous No.14010283]

>>14010245
no

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[Anonymous No.14010307]

>>14010283
>unable to formulate his own opinion
>screencaps a review where one of the first comparisons to anything complicated is to hideo kojima
You are below room temperature IQ.

[Anonymous No.14010449]

>>14010307
SEETHING.

[Anonymous No.14010521]

>Daniel Greene interviewing Michael Gay Sullivan

[Anonymous No.14010570]

https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/26220.Contemporary_Fantasy_for_Guys

[Anonymous No.14010608]

>>14010570
If I go on this I better not see a bunch of middle class gay liberals recommending shit with female protagonists.

[Anonymous No.14010618]

>>14010608
>Kingkiller is number 1

[Anonymous No.14010662]

Fellas, let's talk about twists. This will be a messy, spontaneous post I have not pre-written but have been mulling over for a few days, wanted to get it in an early thread for maximum coverage. I want to discover more novel stories and concepts so perhaps in the effort of understanding what it is specifically that I enjoy, I can find more titles and stories that will present relatively new ideologies for me to explore. I believe being a supreme shut-in for the most part of thirteen years and ingesting such a colossal amount of media (e.g., vidya, books, shows) in that time has rendered most tales simply dull or unfulfilling. I'm not sure of a better method of exchanging twists we liked so I'll start with a few and you can contribute:
>ever 17 (VN): A pro-poultry tale of four individuals (including You) who visit a huge aquarium park deal I think Kid route is something difficult to explain in words but the hidden 5th route involves it all being a reenactment to 'summon' a 4D being to save some characters from being trapped underground
>Time Out of Joint by Philip K. Dick: MC is the best at solving a daily newspaper puzzle while the entire town and everyone in it is an elaborate act to enable MC's ex-military-official's traumatized-mind in solving the puzzles to ensure locating and stopping enemy missile launches
>Neoquest II (online roguelike): Generic medieval setting separated into several Acts; after gaining your first party member and completing Act I, you discover you are actually on a spaceship in VR trying to defeat a rogue AI and save your crewmates (party members)
>Baten Kaitos (GCN game): You play as the guardian spirit alongside the MC who betrays you midway through the game
Without going crazy over character limit, I think rare metaphysical concepts are what really get me.

[Anonymous No.14010677]

REFORMATTING

Fellas, let's talk about twists. This will be a messy, spontaneous post I have not pre-written but have been mulling over for a few days, wanted to get it in an early thread for maximum coverage. I want to discover more novel stories and concepts so perhaps in the effort of understanding what it is specifically that I enjoy, I can find more titles and stories that will present relatively new ideologies for me to explore. I believe being a supreme shut-in for the most part of thirteen years and ingesting such a colossal amount of media (e.g., vidya, books, shows) in that time has rendered most tales simply dull or unfulfilling. I'm not sure of a better method of exchanging twists we liked so I'll start with a few and you can contribute:

>ever 17 (VN): A pro-poultry tale of four individuals (including You) who visit a huge aquarium park deal I think Kid route is something difficult to explain in words but the hidden 5th route involves it all being a reenactment to 'summon' a 4D being to save some characters from being trapped in the underground park
>Time Out of Joint by Philip K. Dick: MC is the best at solving a daily newspaper puzzle while the entire town and everyone in it is an elaborate act to enable MC's ex-military-official's traumatized-mind in solving the puzzles to ensure locating and stopping enemy missile launches
>Neoquest II (online roguelike): Generic medieval setting separated into several Acts; after gaining your first party member and completing Act I, you discover you are actually on a spaceship in VR trying to defeat a rogue AI and save your crewmates (party members)
>Baten Kaitos (GCN game): You play as the guardian spirit alongside the MC who betrays you midway through the game

Without going crazy over character limit, I think rare metaphysical concepts are what really get me. What do you like, /sffg/?

[Anonymous No.14010687]

REFORMATTING AGAIN I didn't know it doesn't save my fucking spoilers, that's what I get for trying to fix them

Fellas, let's talk about twists. This will be a messy, spontaneous post I have not pre-written but have been mulling over for a few days, wanted to get it in an early thread for maximum coverage. I want to discover more novel stories and concepts so perhaps in the effort of understanding what it is specifically that I enjoy, I can find more titles and stories that will present relatively new ideologies for me to explore. I believe being a supreme shut-in for the most part of thirteen years and ingesting such a colossal amount of media (e.g., vidya, books, shows) in that time has rendered most tales simply dull or unfulfilling. I'm not sure of a better method of exchanging twists we liked so I'll start with a few and you can contribute:

>ever 17 (VN): A pro-poultry tale of four individuals (including You) who visit a huge aquarium park deal I think Kid route is something difficult to explain in words but the hidden 5th route involves it all being a reenactment to 'summon' a 4D being to save some characters from being trapped in the underground park
>Time Out of Joint by Philip K. Dick: MC is the best at solving a daily newspaper puzzle while the entire town and everyone in it is an elaborate act to enable MC's ex-military-official's traumatized-mind in solving the puzzles to ensure locating and stopping enemy missile launches
>Neoquest II (online roguelike): Generic medieval setting separated into several Acts; after gaining your first party member and completing Act I, you discover you are actually on a spaceship in VR trying to defeat a rogue AI and save your crewmates (party members)
>Baten Kaitos (GCN game): You play as the guardian spirit alongside the MC who betrays you midway through the game

What do you like, /sffg/? I think metaphysicality is cool for me.

[Anonymous No.14010715]

Dunyain genocide best day of my life.

[Anonymous No.14010788]

>>14010687
First off, if you would, I'd really appreciate it you'd take this test and tell me your score. I'll provide a post seriously replying to you if you do.
https://psychology-tools.com/test/autism-spectrum-quotient

I would assume that you would have come across a lot of these sorts "metaphysicality" over the years in a lot of different variations. In a previous post, you called it "rare". It isn't.

>most part of thirteen years
I have no idea how old that makes you. Could be 13 for all I know.

>colossal amount of media
I have some doubts about that as well.

>better method of exchanging twists
Discussing twists takes a lot of the fun out of it to me if both people don't know already know them. A lot of the fun of twists is not seeing them coming to me. I think the least worst way is just saying they have one and nothing else, but even that puts a damper on things to me. It's like asking for stories with an unreliable narrator, which lessens it because you already know the narrator is unreliable.

>ever 17
Just play other Kotaro Uchikoshi games.

>PKD
Just read other works by him

>Neoquest II
Why would anyone want anything to do with Neopets?

>Baten Kaitos
I thought about playing it on Gamecube, but I just never got around to it.

[Anonymous No.14010942]

>>14010307
I saved it, because I disagreed with it and thought is was stinky ;(

[Anonymous No.14011139]

>heavy metal Christian pulp
BASED

[Anonymous No.14011376]

Is this prince of nothing series worth reading? And how about aspect emperor? Sounds like the Dune of Fantasy by the description.

[Anonymous No.14011406]

>>14011376
I don't think so, but others do.

>the Dune of Fantasy
Seems unlikely.

[Anonymous No.14011407]

>>14011376
No it’s not
Read xianxia

[Anonymous No.14011414]

>>14011376
Yes, it's based. The first book the The Aspect Emperor series is a slog but otherwise the books are great.

[Anonymous No.14011429]

What I Read Today

Sixth of Dusk - Brandon Sanderson
Protagonist goes to a deadly sacred island with his magical birds. Times are changing and his relatively primitive tribe is giving in to technology. On the island he meets a woman, she's a colonizer from the mainland . The woman's people have come to colonize them using technology from a spacefaring civilization. Little do they realize that the advanced civilization wants to increase their level of technology to a high enough level where they would be legally allowed to colonize their planet. So it turns out that the colonizers would become the colonized.
I enjoyed it.

Perfect State - Brandon Sanderson
It was quite obviously immediately that it's all a simulation that's explicitly for wish fulfillment and almost all humans are now brains in a vat but they know that. It takes the hedonic principle to its logical extreme. It has somewhat of a satirical bent and also acknowledges the shortcomings of such a lifestyle.
I enjoyed it.

I think a lot of Brandon Sanderson's works, such as the above, is what some self-published works and a lesser extent, LitRPG try to accomplish. To be gimmicky, fun, and commercially viable. Unfortunately, they are usually only the first of those.

I think I'll read something longer next. Mostly because I don't want to bother collecting more novellas and similar right now. Probably won't be doing this for a few days at least. I really ought to get around to reading more in some of the series I've started. For series, I'll only be posting about the first and last, as an overview, of a series.

[Anonymous No.14011486]

>>14011414
>the slog of slog boys!

>>14011376
i don't know how many times i have to tell you people but no, this is not worth reading. it's just a series about a literally emotionless superman that has come to rid the rest of the world of the gay rape aliens. meanwhile there's an extremely closeted sociopath running around fucking the earth every chance he gets because mr. ubermensch cucked him out of a $2 whore and won't give her back without some weird domination thing. meanwhile, there's an old dude who's literally damned to eternal torment in the afterlife who's just trying to find some succor in this life and failing miserably at anything more than being pityfucked by a whore who then, surprise surpise, whores herself out to pretty much everyone else. at the end, everyone is either dead, mega-dead, damned to eteranl tormet, raped to death, covered in black alien splooge, or eaten and raped by their fellow soldiers because that's what happens with nuclear fallout dontchaknow?

honestly, bakker thinks he's much smarter than he is, and his writing suffers for it. he's obsessed with screaming things like "CRASH SPACE OF MEANING!" and leaving extremely lengthy plots unresolved. his whole schtick is that we can't understand how we understand things, so what if we had a real world that functioned like that plus his believed idea of medieval morality was actually real. add in all the sophistication of the sex scenes from dune and the raw viscera of cannibal holocaust and you've got bakker's books.

tl/dr: avoid these books and read better trash

[Anonymous No.14011545]

>>14011376
The first 3 are excellent.

[Anonymous No.14011685]

>>14010687
Read Music of Marie/Marie no Kanaderu Ongaku

[Anonymous No.14011780]

why did my skill in writing have to be contingent on my emotions? This sucks.

[Anonymous No.14011805]

>>14011780
There's far more than that contingent on your emotions.

[Anonymous No.14011829]

>open fantasy novel
>it has a map

[Anonymous No.14011860]

any books with redhead love interests with fiery personalities?

[Anonymous No.14011861]

>>14011805
shit if I don't know it. every single thing I do is emotion-dependant. I've nearly died twice due to a psychosomatic illness. The second time I even knew it was happening and couldn't do shit about it

[Anonymous No.14011897]

>>14011860
I really wish there was some web database that did nothing but index books by minute aspects of plot, character, and setting. Like if you want to play a hentai visual novel with a tsundere childhood friend redhead main love interest, you can just plug that into VNDB and get a list of absolutely everything there is. I want that for fantasy novels.

[Anonymous No.14011902]

>>14011897
That would require a lot of people to do that.
Are you certain that it doesn't already exist?
Also, porn always gets so much attention and drives so much.

[Anonymous No.14011926]

>>14011902
Crowdsourced projects like that always attract the small minority of obsessive fans who are willing to put in dozens of man-hours a week for free just to keep stuff from being wrong on the internet. 60% of the work on any decent fanwiki is done by ten people at most.

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>>14011926
I agree. The problem is getting those people to do the work. Just because it's made doesn't mean people will come.

[Anonymous No.14011948]

What fantasy novel

>has an asshole chosen one
>low magic
>realistic fight scenes
>rape as a valid battle tactic

[Anonymous No.14011954]

>>14011948 You are really obsessed with rape, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.14011959]

>>14011954
what?

[Anonymous No.14011982]

>Dune
>every time I hear someone talk about it they hype it up as the most complex epic of all epics
>I start to think I'll look like a retard who won't understand it
>will I need a textbook and references to keep up? fuck, I'm so stupid
>start reading
>it's a regular book
hmmm
I like it, it's a good book, super easy to follow
not as much going on as I thought there'd be

[Anonymous No.14011985]

>>14011959
>>13989577
>>13963135
>>/lit/thread/S13372298#p13381944
and several others.

[Anonymous No.14011999]

>>14011982
You seem to have confused Dune for Malazan.

[Anonymous No.14012089]

>>14011982
I feel like Dune's reputation as super-complex comes from a few different things

1. It has some moderately difficult vocabulary, both real and invented
2. It has some genuine moral and thematic complexity, especially as the series goes on.
3. It grew in prominence during the 70s and 80s, when action-oriented scifi significantly grew in popularity, despite the fact that Dune itself mainly consists of people standing around talking to each other.
4. The main starting plot arc ends with God Emperor, which is very strange in conceit if not in the actual storytelling

But i agree that it's a lot simpler in structure than most people seem to imply. Really it has a lot in common with classical theater; from the dialogue-oriented scene structure down to all the big battles taking place outside the focus perspective and only being described by third parties. I think the only plot-critical scenes that you couldn't stage very easily would be the headtrip Spice sequences.

[Anonymous No.14012118]

>>14011985
do you have a recommendation

[Anonymous No.14012135]

>>14012118 No

[Anonymous No.14012224]

>>14010687
Bump before bed.

[Anonymous No.14012258]

>>14011376
Absolutely. One of my favorite fantasy series.

[Anonymous No.14012269]

>>14011486
> meanwhile there's an extremely closeted sociopath running around fucking the earth every chance he gets because mr. ubermensch cucked him out of a $2 whore and won't give her back without some weird domination thing.

Way to show you don’t understand Cnaur’s character at all.

[Anonymous No.14012467]

>>14009512
Where else do you guys talk about or get "word of mouth" book recommendations?

[Anonymous No.14012553]

>>14011376
>the Dune of Fantasy
I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. Dune is an exhaustive and monolithic series of books that changed science fiction forever. The only comparison that can reasonably be drawn within fantasy would be Lord of the Rings.

[Anonymous No.14012602]

>>14010687
Didn't recognize it until I read the spoiler, you mean Neoquest from fucking Neopets? Absolutely patrician.
Just wanted to acknowledge that and don't really have any twists in mind right now, but Yang dying in the terrorist attack in LOTGH got me good. Just suddenly unceremoniously killing off one of the main characters was a completely unexpected move, and it really put you on edge for the rest of the series. Made it feel even more like an actual historical account instead of a story.
I saw the show a few years ago but still haven't gotten around to reading it, even though it got translated and everything. I probably should get on that.

[Anonymous No.14012647]

>>14007703
ok. You weren't specific, so I'll just start with The Prince of Nothing, and see how that goes.

>>14007957
These charts are neat and all, but I don't like having too many choices. It's overwhelming. I'll just try books a recommendation at a time. Or lacking that, I'll just pick off the top of ranked lists.

[Anonymous No.14012659]

Just brought and started reading vomule 1 of Wheel of Time.

What am I in for? I've finished both Dune and Prince of Nothing so I'm no stranger to slogs.

[Anonymous No.14012672]

>>14012659
It moves at a good rate until book 6. That's when it slows down. You're in for a lot of "battle of the sexes" kind of humor. Where men and women simply do not understand each other, no matter the circumstance or how long they've known each other. It's pretty dad-jokey in how it handles relationships between sexes. Like "You know how women nag, am I right? My wife... now SHE'S something else. Never let's me get away with anything." But acted out in character.

[Anonymous No.14012808]

>>14012659
>What am I in for?
dumb trash for retards

[Anonymous No.14012826]

>>14011897
tvtropes?

[Anonymous No.14013014]

>>14012659
Big bondage boobies

[Anonymous No.14013016]

>>14012647

Thats a jewish homosexual man

[Anonymous No.14013060]

>>14012647
Hoooolyyyy shiiiit. Someone please tell me this gets better. Only one chapter in, and it's rough.
HUGE time jumps. Random PoV changes. a character will state 1 line of dialogue, followed by a mountain of history and lore, before returning to the now forgotten present. And the way its written sounds like the scattered thoughts of an egotistical madman. I haven't absorbed anything. I'll have to go back over the whole chapter again, just to follow what the fuck is going on or who is who. And it's a long chapter. In terms of audio, it's an hour and 57 minutes.
You can't just dump a bunch of world building bullshit on me in the very beginning. I don't have a reason to care!

In fact, I'm not going back. I'm just going to continue, and see if I can't piece together what's happening as I go. Jesus, fuck.

[Anonymous No.14013131]

>>14010307
>>14010245
No. Read it, but don't come here to rage when you see its shit, or we will ban you.

[Anonymous No.14013184]

>>14012467
My private book forum, or ask some people who share my tastes on goodreads.

[Anonymous No.14013399]

>>14012647
>>14013060
No, I'm sorry. This is crap. This was written by an an egomaniacal autist, who thinks his world is more interesting than it is. Trying to dump information about the world after every two sentences. He hasn't earned my curiosity, so I really don't care about this or that faction, and what happened some indistinct amount of years ago. The characters have to say and do interesting things first, and then I'll care about their plights.

I need something else to read. Any suggestions? You guys keep name dropping some Sanderson guy. Did he write anything good?

[Anonymous No.14013445]

>>14011685
I can devour manga quicker than anything else so added to the eternal backlog. Wish madokami didn't go to shit.

>>14012602
Hell yeah dude, I miss Neopets and I sure as shit wasn't expecting a game like that way back when I was a kid. I still think that game would be a solid and difficult dungeon crawler on its own.

[Anonymous No.14013736]

>>14009657
Well, the TV show definitely will be....

[Anonymous No.14013740]

>>14013736
Making half the cast black is fucking ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.14013785]

>>14011780
We. Don't. Care.

[Anonymous No.14013791]

>>14011860
Powder Mage series

[Anonymous No.14013883]

>>14009512
what's the best IRC resource for Scifi/Fantasy lit?

[Anonymous No.14014026]

>>14013883
#ebooks on irchighway

[Anonymous No.14014035]

>>14013445
>madokami didn't go to shit.

It didn't though. It has 7.47TB. Just because it has less automatic uploads and manual uploaders have to ask for ftp access now doesn't mean it has. It remains the best overall. Sure, may have to use a couple of other sites now to get what you want, but at least it isn't having to go each individual scanlator's site.

[Anonymous No.14014112]

>>14013785
and yet for some reason you assume that I do?

[Anonymous No.14014174]

>>14011985
Nigga what are you the fucking hall monitor? Digging up old posts like some gay nerd.

[Anonymous No.14014230]

I just finished the three first books of the black company, I really liked it but some anons says it goes out of the gutter after the first trilogy, should I bother? Also a question

I felt killing the dominator was too easy, just put Darling close and smack him to death, all the previous chapter about the lady making a choice and sacrificing herself just look silly when she did literally nothing but stare on that fight

[Anonymous No.14014243]

>>14014174
>>14011959
This anon asked "what?". I provided details.

[Anonymous No.14014257]

>>14014243
I’m begging you ... hit the gym, take a shower, touch a girl, get a clue

[Anonymous No.14014294]

>>14014257
Please provide better post content in the future.

[Anonymous No.14014321]

>>14014294
Pure distilled autism

[Anonymous No.14014339]

>>14014321
Using "autism" to mean "posts that I don't like" is silly.

[Anonymous No.14014357]

>>14014339
What about using it to describe some fag who searches old lit threads like a narc, enjoys huffing his own farts and uses sassy burns such as “better content please?

[Anonymous No.14014363]

>>14014357
I'm sorry, you're being hysterical now and I can't talk to you like this. When you have your emotions better under control we can talk about some other subject that will distress you less.

[Anonymous No.14014395]

>>14014363
I know you think you’re trolling but you’re actually this character. You’re a guy who shit his pants and is sitting in the shit and can’t stop laughing about other people’s reactions. Don’t these dummies get it? You shit yourself on purpose.

[Anonymous No.14014441]

>>14014230
Silly me trying to talk about books in this thread.

[Anonymous No.14014448]

>>14014441
Having serious conversations on 4chan is difficult at best.

[Anonymous No.14014462]

>>14014230
The books of the south are a bit weird. I enjoyed them, but I also get why a lot of people don’t. Also the dominator was a big bitch, and soulcatcher > lady.

[Anonymous No.14014470]

>recommends autism test
>posts a 10 minute autistic comment

hmmm

[Anonymous No.14014506]

>>14014470
>~1,000 words is a 10 minute comment
You may have severe dyslexia.

[Anonymous No.14014514]

Paul isn't a main character's name, no good book will ever feature a protagonist named paul.

[Anonymous No.14014525]

>>14014514
> Dune

[Anonymous No.14014528]

>>14014470
My mistake, I meant ~1,000 characters. It's such an absurdly low number that it was an easy mistake to make. Also, that would be severe alexia rather than dyslexia, also my mistake.

[Anonymous No.14014549]

>>14014525
I'm saying that Dune isn't a good book.

[Anonymous No.14014562]

>>14014549
And I'm saying you are an idiot.

[Anonymous No.14014578]

>>14014462
Anyone else wanna chime in? I frankly just intrigued where the series goes from here, the characters already seem pretty fucking old and every book moves forward like 8 years between each other

[Anonymous No.14014586]

>>14010715
How is the thousand fold thought? I've read 1 and 2 of the second apocalypse but I lost interest.
But it's still sitting in my library and staring at me, telling me to read it.

[Anonymous No.14014599]

>>14014586
>staring at me, telling me to read it.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/10/01/new-age-beliefs-common-among-both-religious-and-nonreligious-americans/

>including six-in-ten who believe spiritual energy can be located in physical things

Ah, so that's how it's doing that.

[Anonymous No.14014640]

>>14014230
Try it yourself.
Personally I thought the main thing that makes this series bad as it goes on is the fact that no one seems to stay dead and everyone is waiting around a corner to pop out again and reveal a big twist.
When they went to fantasy India I lost most of my interest.

[Anonymous No.14014657]

>>14014599
I was making a metaphor but I'm sure you where aware of that right?

[Anonymous No.14014659]

>>14009512
That is a definite improvement OP.
Dynamic and eye catching.
Now you need to work on the boner effect.

[Anonymous No.14014805]

>>14014659

[Anonymous No.14014944]

>>14012467
People from my old writing groups. Also, Goodreads. I searched on my favorite books, looked at people who wrote 5 star reviews, checked their other reviews, and if our tastes were similar then I followed them.

[Anonymous No.14014945]

>>14014586
Thousandfold thought is good. Not quiet as good as warrior prophet, but probably the next best book before The Great Ordeal. A bit too much army focus, which isn’t really Bakker’s strong point. But Cnaur and Akka carry show, as usual.

[Anonymous No.14015207]

Any recommendations for the contemplative mind?

[Anonymous No.14015451]

Allright I give up on the prince of nothing, cant stand the 1000iq without any flaw main character anymore.
Recommend me some trash to read to get me to sleep

[Anonymous No.14015496]

I just finished "War of the Worlds". I can really recommend it. Fantastic read.

[Anonymous No.14015502]

>>14015207
The Doors of His Face, the Lamps of His Mouth

[Anonymous No.14015610]

>>14015451
Dragonlance

[Anonymous No.14015649]

>>14015496
Never heard of it.

[Anonymous No.14015696]

Is there a x-file kind of series?
investigator(s), mysteries of supernatural kind
kind of like Lovecraft but modern day setting

[Anonymous No.14015774]

>>14012659
A comfy and long journey

[Anonymous No.14015804]

>>14015774
*tugs braid*

[Anonymous No.14015880]

>>14014659
>>14009517
Putting a second image like is the most I'm willing to do. It's not going to be the op.

[Anonymous No.14015884]

>>14015451
But Akka is the main character.

[Anonymous No.14015892]

[Anonymous No.14016014]

What do you believe to be the posterchild for worldbuilding in both fantasy/sci-fi literature?

I'll start:
New Crobuzon Trilogy

[Anonymous No.14016112]

>>14016014
Of what I've seen:
Dune, Morrowind, or the Star Wars EU

[Anonymous No.14016168]

>>14015696
There are the Laundry Files by Charles Stross. They fit that description and I wanted to start reading them since quite some time but I can't say how good they are.

[Anonymous No.14016185]

What's the publishing scene like for fantasy? Is there a market for short stories?
I'm a recovering /lit/ pseud who realized writing pretentious diatribes about being sad was actually kinda cringe, I wanna write fantasy now.

[Anonymous No.14016269]

>>14015696
What >>14016168 said.

[Anonymous No.14016373]

The year is going to end in less than 3 months. What are yall expecting for Dec 31st?

[Anonymous No.14016376]

>>14016185
Web novels are the future
Write xianxia

[Anonymous No.14016559]

>>14016373
probably drinking alone then falling asleep at 10:00 to be completely honest

[Anonymous No.14016564]

>>14016185
There are various magazines. Look in the resources in the op for that. They don't pay well as with any writing these days and are mostly a launch board for becoming a novelist by showing publishers that others are willing to pay for your work and there are readers who want to read it.

[Anonymous No.14016833]

Trying to get through the Farseer trilogy. It is just sort bumming me out. What is a good series with a satisfying happier ending that will help me recover from this depressing shit?

[Anonymous No.14016862]

>>14016833
Desolate era

[Anonymous No.14016872]

>>14016833
I strongly disliked that series. I literally only finished it because my mate kept telling me I wasn't allowed to talk shit about books I hadn't completed.

[Anonymous No.14016888]

Most people only tell you want they want you to read and ignore any and all other considerations.

[Anonymous No.14016935]

I read Marie no Kanaderu Ongaku and had a nice time. Short, well-paced story. I was expecting the 'something happening to Kai' twist but I wasn't expecting Pipi being the only one to see him, that got me.
Thanks to the anon who suggested the story.

[Anonymous No.14016965]

>>14016833
The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant

[Anonymous No.14017104]

I'm about to finish my current book. Is there a really good fantasy book, single volume, about an adventure? Like, an actual adventure where the mc goes places? I'm open to anything serious, unless to someone recommends the hobbit for the millionth time.

[Anonymous No.14017108]

>>14009512
That greek abstraction it is LIT. Please give me the sauce.

[Anonymous No.14017195]

>>14016559
Same, bro. Except I'm an insomniac

[Anonymous No.14017232]

>>14016833
Sword of Truth

[Anonymous No.14017419]

/sffg/, I just had a realization. All this time I've been telling myself I can't do shit, I'm not good enough, and other little lies like that.

tell me /sffg/, how many others have managed to write a novel at 24? How many others did it while working as the fastest programmer in their company? How many others coded a romhack just a few months later? How many others have an encyclopedic knowledge of food science and a better intuitive understanding of physics than most physics majors? How many others got the highest SAT scores in their entire goddamn high school?

I can't do shit? Bitch, I am a walking, human mary sue!

>>14016185
Dude, novels are the market. Mostly gritty, epic fantasy trilogies with multiple-POV, but anything can do if you have your shit down. The secret my friend lies in the publishers – hundreds of thousands of fantasy books are published every year but most are on amazon or through independent publishers who couldn't get a book onto a shelf if they tried. Ignore those fucks, your target is not among hundreds of thousands but among dozens. Beat them and you're in the big leagues. Fail and you can just try again with another story or a sequel. The game is in your motherfucking hands.

>>14016833
Codex Alera's a good one. It's six books, and things get grim about half-way through, but it's got a nice happy ending, and the main character's development makes Neville Longbottom look like a disappointment

[Anonymous No.14017437]

>>14017419
For the love of god stop posting about your own failure at writing.

[Anonymous No.14017464]

>tfw /sffg/ breaks containment

[Anonymous No.14017522]

>>14015892
Check out all that trash

[Anonymous No.14017552]

>>14017437
anon, do you really believe I'm going to quit while I'm enjoying it? This place is a fucking zoo of human degeneracy. I can fall in whatever gorilla cage I want and nothing of value is lost.

>>14017104
give wizard of earthsea a go

>>14010608
>>14010618
>/sffg/ sticks its fingers in its ears and screams autistically while the rest of the internet enjoys good fantasy
what else is new?

[Anonymous No.14017566]

>>14017419
yikes

>>14015892
i'm sorry but we can't be friends anymore

[Anonymous No.14017581]

>>14007309
Out of a whole bunch of books these threads talk about this has to have the worst prologue/first chapter out of anything I've read so far, and that's counting a lot of self published shit.

Haven't dropped a book at less than 30% or so in yet but all I had in my head reading the prologue was shadow the edgehog, does it quickly move on from an emo kid in a magic school or should I just stop?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14017585]

>>14015207
Le Guin

[Anonymous No.14017662]

>>14015892
glorious schlock

[Anonymous No.14017690]

>>14017581
I forgot about the prologue, but yeah, I suppose it comes across as edgy. Still, skimming through it again now, it makes more sense than it did before. I think I understand it now... mostly.
The story will indeed move away from Magic school shortly. And Davian isn't Emo. I don't know where you got that idea. If he's any kind of cliche, it's the "I fight for my friend" JRPG protag.

[Anonymous No.14017862]

>>14017419
You may want consider whether you are manic right now.

[Anonymous No.14017881]

>>14017862
I'm not really, I'm just trying to fake it until I make it. Thank god I can actually say all those things truthfully. It makes the hyperbole a lot easier to believe

[Anonymous No.14018028]

>>14015207
John Crowley
James Morrow
Mervyn Peake

[Anonymous No.14018198]

escapism is death

[Anonymous No.14018227]

death is salvation

[Anonymous No.14018267]

give me the best sci fi book that isn't part of a series, just a stand alone masterpiece

[Anonymous No.14018319]

>>14018267
Hyperio -
oh wait
Lord of Light is a near masterpiece
Fifth Head of Cerberus is great

[Anonymous No.14018352]

>>14009512
nearly finiseged Gemmell's Legend.
Any Anogs, read/ liked this ? Feel like a first novel for sure, lack of characterisation and setting but the plot is occassionaly exciting.

[Anonymous No.14018361]

>>14015207
The Lathe of Heaven

[Anonymous No.14018461]

>>14011486
I respect your opinion, and I wish I read it before trying the book myself. What you're describing sounds like what I was feeling after only a few chapters. I couldn't stomach it.
Can I ask for a recommendation from you? I'm new to reading in general, so just give me your best one, and I probably haven't read it before.

[Anonymous No.14018615]

Just finished The Blade Itself and it's not as bad as /lit/ made me think it was. A little dull at times but, there were some really good chapters. The characters are all fairly enjoyable too. Tea and Vengeance and Old Friends were great.

[Anonymous No.14018753]

>>14017419
>and the main character's development makes Neville Longbottom look like a disappointment
I too loved the six book chronicle of Tavi Alwaysright.

[Anonymous No.14018783]

apart from gene wolfe which scifi authors are most like borges?

[Anonymous No.14018787]

>>14018615
It's not bad at all. There are good characters, and some very good moments. Much of it is memorable, imo. But personally, I found the three books together to be disappointing, precisely because there was so much good that was squandered. I won't say more than that. You can judge on your own.

[Anonymous No.14018853]

>>14016833

Does anyone actually enjoy this series? There is just constant unending strife. It is exhausting to read.

[thiskillsthedarkelf No.14018870]

>>14016185
The same as always.
Heroes journey split up into three books.

[Anonymous No.14018872]

>>14018615
I liked that first one too but the trilogy becomes an unsatisfying mess. Same with A Little Hatred. I liked the introduction of that one chick's powers but it had too many characters that I didn't care about and the ending was so drawn out and boring.

[Anonymous No.14019205]

>>14018615

[Anonymous No.14019234]

>>14018783
this but for fantasy

[Anonymous No.14019249]

>>14019205
I'm the anon you are replying to.
Thanks for posting this. I've been trying to find it for ages. I enjoyed the First Law but, fuck me, this review is even better. The Northmen are probably the weakest storyline in the books and I much preferred Glokta. Thankfully, my military history isn't the strongest so I never caught on to the problems in the names of ranks and positions, since I'm a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.14019350]

>>14019249
Black Drow did nothing wrong.

[Anonymous No.14019403]

>>14019205
Thank GOD I'm not a miliary nerd, and can't even see problems with military tactics. Let alone allow them to bother me.
Also, thank god that I'm not stupid enough to confuse a book about magic swords and wizardry, to be anything close to approaching a "gritty military story."

[Anonymous No.14019410]

Took some pictures of some interesting looking books. Anyone read any of these?

[Anonymous No.14019420]

>>14019410
w-why is the picture horizontal?

[Anonymous No.14019430]

>>14019420

[Anonymous No.14019432]

>>14019420
probably because it's actually a horizontal photo with the EXIF orientation tag set to 90 degrees. 4chan strips EXIF data though so it ends up rendering horizontally.

[Anonymous No.14019463]

>>14011376
Raper’s Thrust.

[Anonymous No.14019656]

>>14018352
I love Gemmell’s work. I have almost every book he ever wrote. I recommend the Rigante Saga. I think it’s his best series.

[Anonymous No.14019868]

>>14019656
Legend will always be it for me.

[Anonymous No.14020074]

Who's waiting on Tight pussy part 2: the slackening?
I don't even feel like reading it after all these years of hopeless non release.

[Anonymous No.14020098]

>>14019656
>>14019868
Seriously though? Legend has a good plot but the chaaracters aren't drawn out, the setting isn't drawn out, and so much of it is just too dumb to take seriously.

At the same time I feel liike there's enough to be interested in in Gemmell I'm just hoping that he improves on some of those things because the plot for sure exciting.

GUess I'm checking out Rigante next.

[Anonymous No.14020148]

What are some of the best trilogies? I don't want to dive into a series longer than that.

[Anonymous No.14020201]

>>14019410
This cover caught my eye yesterday.
Is it any good?

[Anonymous No.14020221]

How do you webnovel? A dedicated webnovel site? Your own site + relentless shilling?

[Anonymous No.14020238]

>>14017104
Cloud's End
Seconding Wizard of Earthsea
The last unicorn

Vurt
Lord of Light

[Anonymous No.14020278]

>>14019410
Faded Sun is good, it's a little slow at first but then it picks up.

[Anonymous No.14020483]

I gave in and bought The Three Body Problem. The first few pages drew me in but it's going to be hard to remember all these Chinese names.

[Anonymous No.14020581]

>>14020098
Make sure you come back and let us know what you think of Sword in the Storm. Nobody ever really discusses Gemmell on here.

[Anonymous No.14020623]

>>14020581
He’s too wholesome. The tone is very subdued, it isn’t memeworthy. It’s just fun to read and uplifting.

[Anonymous No.14020662]

>>14020623
>fun to read and uplifting
Agreed. He should be recommended more. Not because he’s some genius or his books are masterful Great Works of Literature or anything, but because they are just good. They make the life of the reader a little better.

[Anonymous No.14020666]

>>14012269
clearly he's more 3-dimensional than that, but the "inwardly sophisticated/outwardly extremely violent" inversion of the stereotype has been put to bed long ago and by far better writers.

[Anonymous No.14020698]

>>14015892
i threw up in my mouth a little :(

[Anonymous No.14020701]

>>14020221
>use royal road until you amass a following
>start publishing finished stories on amazon
>if you get popular create a blog/site to update readers on little things
>open a patreon
>be successful enough to attract a publishing house to buy one of your stories or buy the rights to make a movie from your book

[Anonymous No.14020715]

>>14015892
You posted this before. Either a few months, last year, or before that.

[Anonymous No.14020769]

>>14018461
ehhh, i'm going to get shat on for liking what i like but as far as sff goes, malazan, lies of locke lamora (first one), alastair reynolds, black company, memory sorrow thorn trilogy, hyperion AND fall of hyperion, a game of thrones (but progressively disliked the rest of the series to date), most of frank herbert's writings (not just dune series), jonathan strange and mr. norell, david brin, etc.

I'm far more defined by what i dislike than what i like (neil gaiman, anything in 3rd person present tense, poorly-thought/badly-disguised political screeds)

[Anonymous No.14020888]

/sffg/ it physically hurts being this bad a writer. How do real writers do it?

[Anonymous No.14020891]

>>14020769
Well I heard of memory sorrow and thorn before. So I'll give it a shot. Thanks, anon. Next time you don't have to list so many things. I was just going to accept whatever single book you said. Unless I read it before.

[Anonymous No.14021399]

>>14020888
learn to specifically identify what's wrong with your writing. is the prose bad? are the characters bad? is the plot uninteresting or confusing?

[Anonymous No.14021429]

>>14015502
>>14018028
Thanks, taken into consideration.
>>14018361
Already read, was a good book, emotional, sad.
>>14017585
Anything more specific, that is not part of a series?

[Anonymous No.14021651]

>>14021399
How do I stop sentences from going on for paragraphs at a time?

[Anonymous No.14021685]

>>14021651
What's the sentence saying? A general rule though would be to decrease your use of adjectives and adverbs. A lot of long sentences seem to arise from people going overboard with description

[Anonymous No.14021917]

I'm doing it lads, I'm writing a story.

[Anonymous No.14022045]

>>14020715

that was an update

[Anonymous No.14022115]

To anyone who wondered why divine dungeons book 5 was such shit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/litrpg/comments/difp0b/a_hypothetical/

[Anonymous No.14022121]

>>14012089
>Really it has a lot in common with classical theater; from the dialogue-oriented scene structure down to all the big battles taking place outside the focus perspective and only being described by third parties. I think the only plot-critical scenes that you couldn't stage very easily would be the headtrip Spice sequences.
Huh, that's interesting anon. Maybe that's why it felt like it didn't work as a tv show when I watched the miniseries adaptation. Perhaps it is a story better suited for theater over tv/film for the reasons you stated.

[Anonymous No.14022165]

>>14022115
I stopped reading shortly into Book 3 as I kept hearing that the story expands a lot beginning with that book, and it wasn't done well. What did I miss out on?
I'm currently reading Book 1 of Completionist, and like the concept and endgoal but it feels like it drags on a lot already.

[Anonymous No.14022216]

I'm sitting on a ~90k words science-fiction finished story and I don't know what to do with it. I've written it in a foreign language so I can't traditionally publish it here even if I tried.

How do I just post it online and hope people like it?

[Anonymous No.14022276]

>>14021651
Really try to use as few clauses in your sentence as possible. Note where you are putting commas and try to turn some of those into sentence breaks instead. I sort of had this problem too once.

[Anonymous No.14022278]

>>14020098
>the chaaracters aren't drawn out, the setting isn't drawn out,
That's gonna be a CRINGE from me.

[Anonymous No.14022286]

>>14022216
>I'm sitting on a ~90k words science-fiction finished story
impressive
just try the self-publishing route, you've got nothing to lose
could you translate it?

[Anonymous No.14022310]

>>14022216
i'm not an expert but there's smashwords, wattpad, and royal road.

[Anonymous No.14022363]

[Anonymous No.14022382]

>>14022363
that's only a couple of paragraphs of detail but i guess if you have no attention span then you'll get Mad Online and post about it.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14022387]

>>14021429
The Hainish Cycle aren’t a cohesive series, just set in the same universe.

But how about Always Coming Home

[Anonymous No.14022408]

>>14022382
>>14022363
Yeah, I was browsing reviews and got mad about that review

Those details are not insignificant. They tell that: Silk is severely disoriented and shaken, that he is still unfamiliar with the use of guns, that he's acting rashly by shooting at a breakable bottle (of cologne, he's just being kept in a repurposed bedroom) - not thinking it entirely through, that he's frightened by the situation he's in and trying to summon up some courage, that he don't trust the return of his weapon, that it just may be a staged justification for his captors to execute an "escaping" prisoner, which he voices later as a thought

[Anonymous No.14022860]

Have anyone here read The Iron Dragon's Daughter (Michael Swanwick)? Is it worth reading?

[Bug Spray No.14022917]

>>14022387
I hope you suffer.

[Anonymous No.14022922]

>>14022860
I thought it was depressing. It's early grimderp but I'm not into that. I'm a fan of his Stations of the Tide tho.

[Anonymous No.14022928]

>>14022860
>>/lit/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=iron+dragon%27s+daughter

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14022940]

>>14022917
Get over it.

[Anonymous No.14022952]

Anyone else find Dune boring af? Took me a month to finish

[Bug Spray No.14022986]

>>14022940
Bots bring more value to this board than you do.

[Anonymous No.14022999]

>>14022952
Yeah I usually find it hard to get into older sf/fantasy. I finished it but don't want to read any more.

[Anonymous No.14023015]

After reading the Gormenghast novels, every other /sffg/ book is kind of boring to me. Peake's writing is just too much above everyone else's. Maybe i should start reading Lord Dunsany or something like that.

[Anonymous No.14023029]

I enjoy sci-fi and fantasy but feel guilty like I should be reading hard literature or nonfiction. Anyone else?

[Anonymous No.14023035]

>>14023029
I feel the opposite way. I feel guilty frequenting this general when i don't even read more than 5 or so SF books a year.

[Anonymous No.14023119]

>>14023029
realize that "hard literature" no longer makes sense in our cultural context so you may as well enjoy and read what you like
>t. former /lit/core nerd who primarily reads fantasy and shit light novels now

[Anonymous No.14023141]

>>14022952
It's a bit boring but there are moments I really enjoyed. I'm only halfway through the book though and it's taking me forever to get through it. I'm not motivated enough to finish it this week.

[Anonymous No.14023236]

What I Read
The Spider's War, The Dagger and the Coin #5 - Daniel Abraham
492 pages
Got through this faster than I thought I would. Two days.
Read the first three books in 2013. 4th book came out in 2014, but I didn't read it until 2017 and the 5th and final book came out in 2016, though I read it yesterday and today. There's not any particular reason why I delay reading books or anything else, it just happens that way.

Overall, a quite enjoyable series for me. Probably the low for me was the Let's Go On A Journey To Find A Magical Sword In Some Ancient Ruins, but from what I remember, it was mostly middles and some relatively frequent highs. Basically late Medieval setting moving into the Age of Discovery.

Features: 12 non-standard fantasy races and standard humans; low magic; dragon; economics/banking; politics; setting specific religions; much journeying; multiple POVs; probably middle-aged primary protagonist; much discussion; kingdoms/nations going to war with each other.

Disclaimers: Relatively not action-oriented. Many of the races aren't addressed much. May wonder if all the journeying is really necessary. Favors development through much discussion.

The books claim they are great for fans of A Song of Ice and Fire and I don't disagree.

Next up: the final book in a series that I bought ~17 years ago and never got around to finishing. I haven't read a physical book that I've bought in several years. I should be prioritizing what I own, but that hasn't been the case. To be seen if I'll still enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.14023248]

What I Read
The Spider's War, The Dagger and the Coin #5 - Daniel Abraham
492 pages
Got through this faster than I thought I would. Two days.
Read the first three books in 2013. 4th book came out in 2014, but I didn't read it until 2017 and the 5th and final book came out in 2016, though I read it yesterday and today. There's not any particular reason why I delay reading books or anything else, it just happens that way.

Overall, a quite enjoyable series for me. Probably the low for me was the Let's Go On A Journey To Find A Magical Sword In Some Ancient Ruins, but from what I remember, it was mostly middles and some relatively frequent highs. Basically late Medieval setting moving into the Age of Discovery.
The books claim they are great for fans of A Song of Ice and Fire and I don't disagree.

Features: 12 non-standard fantasy races and standard humans; low magic; dragon; economics/banking; politics; setting specific religions; much journeying; multiple POVs; probably middle-aged primary protagonist; much discussion; kingdoms/nations going to war with each other.
Disclaimers: Relatively not action-oriented. Many of the races aren't addressed much. May wonder if all the journeying is really necessary. Favors development through much discussion.

Next up: the final book in a series that I bought ~17 years ago and never got around to finishing. I haven't read a physical book that I've bought in several years. I should be prioritizing what I own, but that hasn't been the case. To be seen if I'll still enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.14023276]

This general has turned way more autistic in the past few weeks. Where are all the spergs coming from?

[Anonymous No.14023280]

>>14023276
Define your particular meaning of "autistic"

[Anonymous No.14023295]

>>14022216
>calling your native language a foreign language
whew

[Anonymous No.14023308]

>>14023280
Well not actually autistic. You know, 4chan autistic.
Something like:
>>14023248
>>14017419
or
>>14015880

[Anonymous No.14023318]

>>14023308
So it's just "posts that I don't like"?

[Anonymous No.14023327]

>>14023318
The third one was a joke but you can not tell me the first two aren't full blown sperg-outs that have been going on for months now.

[Anonymous No.14023341]

>>14023327
Ignore them. It's people from other websites that think blogposting is the default. They're too retarded to understand nobody gives a shit or wants their garbage here.

[Anonymous No.14023345]

>>14023327
I disagree since I'm the first and third ones.
We'll just have to find each other mutually silly.

[Anonymous No.14023346]

>>14020238
Just to avoid confusion, could you tell me the author's last name for cloud's end and vurt?

[Anonymous No.14023352]

>>14023015

[Anonymous No.14023355]

>>14023341
>don't talk about you're reading
What should the posts be then?

[Anonymous No.14023358]

>>14022121
I wouldn't say the prospect is automatically doomed to failure; there are plenty of successful adaptations of plays to film after all. I think the main problem with adapting Dune is that people seem to approach it with the idea that Dune should be a massive scifi extravaganza, when the story thwarts attempts to do that in a standard blockbuster way. God Emperor is borderline unfilmable, but the rest could theoretically make the transition so long as you took a more lighthanded, intimate approach.

I'm looking forward to the Villeneuve adaptation, because I feel like that's the best chance the series is going to get. If that movie fails then maybe it really can't be done.

[Anonymous No.14023359]

>>14023341
I don't think that will get the point across but it's worth a try.

>>14023345
This general deserves a better thread slave.

[Anonymous No.14023365]

>>14023359
As I've said every time since I started, anyone else is free to do whatever they want, as I told you as well. If someone else begins making the thread, I'll stop.

[Anonymous No.14023378]

>>14023359
Why do you incessantly post 3DPD? You're basically a form of avatarfag.

[Anonymous No.14023394]

>>14023365
Oh you just keep being yourself, someone will get fed up with you sooner or later and take over.

>>14023378
Because you weebs need a shot of reality from time to time.

[Anonymous No.14023397]

>>14023394
How am I a weeb and how are Patreon sluts a shot of reality?

[Anonymous No.14023399]

>>14023394
I hope so, I don't plan to do it forever

[Anonymous No.14023414]

>>14023365
I don't care to make the threads anymore. Did it for 4+ years, it's your turn to serve.

[Anonymous No.14023431]

>>14023399
I would take over, I really would, but me being a productive member of the society is getting in the way.

>>14023397
Come on nigga don't be such a weeb.

[Anonymous No.14023437]

>>14023414
I'm only going to be doing it as long as I feel like doing it. Then if someone else wants to, they can revert it to how it was, leave it as is, or change it be their own. It doesn't matter to me. I don't believe in having a tight hold on anything. Honestly, I'm indifferent to the fate of the thread. If someone relies on a single dedicated person, maybe it doesn't deserve to exist. Not much point without community effort, which is why I tried that, though futilely so and probably poorly.

[Anonymous No.14023448]

>>14023431
I've never been a productive member of society so that isn't a problem for me.

[Anonymous No.14023454]

>>14023448
You should try it. It's pretty fun.

[Anonymous No.14023458]

>>14023454
I would prefer not to.

[Anonymous No.14023469]

>The Burning White by Breeks
Since the only form this shit got leaked in is in audiobook form and it will take fucking 3 days or whatever for the epub to drop and it takes a retardedly long time to listen to compared to reading this shit! I never want to ever listen to a fucking audiobook in my life again because of all the retarded accents this narrator puts on and I only bothered listening to my favourite Gavin's parts because otherwise this shit would have apparently taken 35 hours and I can read like 6 times faster than this person drones, here's what I think happens after listening to literally only Gavin's parts and potentially having missed some of his parts!

The Chad Andross: The chad wins, becomes a polychrome, now controls everyone claims credit for everything d!Gavin does (AKA save the world) and now even d!Gavin acknowledges he wasn't a terrible father even after he killed Sevastian and sheds tears etc. And yeah, he had his own kid killed in order to make the real Gavin into a Prism because of tragic circumstances.
dGavin: Marries Kariss again and can draft black and white luxin ??? if he recovered all colours because it's a bit vague on that. Yeah, he was a proper prism all along and not just a black white monochrome. Gets his eyes back and fingers back and shit and stops being an atheist.
Kip: Apparently gets resurrected or some shit so the other anon was wrong. Teia loses the Kip-bowl again
Grinwoody: The Chad Andross lets him go gracefully, Teia shows up and kills him like a bitch
Ironfist: survives

[Anonymous No.14023477]

>>14023469
Are you going to read the book when it comes out?

[Anonymous No.14023482]

>>14023477
Of course. It's just that the epub isn't out and I don't like audiobooks.

[Anonymous No.14023487]

This is the audiobook rip in case people don't know where mobilism is
https://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php?f=124&t=3344360&hilit=burning+white

[Anonymous No.14023494]

>>14023029
Nah. I like what I like. And I'm working on a fantasy novel so it's market research for my """"career"""". I have an English degree btw.

[Anonymous No.14023592]

>>14016935
Glad you liked it. Sadly I can't think of many other books/comics I've read in a while that have much of a twist to them.

[Anonymous No.14023601]

>>14023487
I had access to it on private since Tuesday. Just decided to wait because it's bitrate is 48kbps

[Anonymous No.14023648]

>>14023015
Try Gloriana by Moorcock, the novel is dedicated and inspired by Peake

[Anonymous No.14023654]

>>14020074
Me

[Anonymous No.14023751]

>>14023601
I have access to every pt under the sun basically and realised that I'd hidden every audiobook by default.

[Anonymous No.14023942]

>>14021651
I'm no writer. But as someone who tends to over-explain everything when talking to people, I have to remind myself "they're not fucking stupid, they get the point". And then I stop yammering, and just give the facts as they are.

Like for example, the previous sentence I said "over-explain everything when talking to people". I didn't have to say "when talking to people". That's redundant, because you can figure that out on your own. But that just felt comfortable for me to say.(I tend to type how I speak)

[Anonymous No.14023952]

>>14023394
Amouranth(The bikini girl) is anything but reality. Look at her soulless eyes. She's dead inside.

[Anonymous No.14023962]

>>14011376
I couldn't get over how much everyone sucked off that guy

[Anonymous No.14023987]

Give me actual reasons for why Abercrombie is shit other than it's le gritty

[Anonymous No.14024191]

>>14023952
I didn't think he was ready for the head on, un-shooped dose of reality.

[Anonymous No.14024208]

>>14014462
>soulcatcher > lady.
Based Soulcatcher fren.

[Anonymous No.14024237]

Any good juicy scifi such as Three body problem books that you guys can recommend?

[Anonymous No.14024247]

>>14023987
Abercrombie's big weaknesses:
>Shit middles
He has great endings and that's what he excels at
>Enormous casts
To find a section with my favourite character, I have to slog through sections filled with retards that I do not care about. For example, in A Little Hatred, I loved Malmer, Savine, Glokta and Clover. All the other characters made me doze off and you know what, all those other extraordinarily filler characters took up around 90% of the screentime!

[Anonymous No.14024353]

>>14010687
40 posts till bump limit so bumping this one last time.

>newfags upset that people DARE to make posts about the books they read on a regular basis ITT
Feel free to go back to whatever social-aggregate you spawned from.

[Anonymous No.14024516]

>>14023987
He only has one or two POVs you want to read in his series. In first law I only cared about gloktha.

[Anonymous No.14024765]

>>14024237
Revelation Space

[Anonymous No.14024772]

>>14023295
No. I really did write it in a foreign language because I have a better affinity to it than any other language that I speak.
I speak and write at a high level at least 4 languages senpai.

[Anonymous No.14024901]

>>14023248
I appreciate your reviews

[Anonymous No.14024960]

>>14024772
Was it Chinese? Are you mouse from utube? Did writing that novel make you level up?

[Anonymous No.14025695]

>>14024353
Bump limit is 310, not 300.

[Anonymous No.14025762]

Harold Bloom
>Whether even The Hobbit is other than a period piece is questionable. Read it side by side with John Crowley’s Little, Big and you will find The Hobbit vanishing away! The same fate
attends Tolkien’s epic when juxtaposed with Philip Pullman’s His Dark Materials.

China Mieville
>Pullman let us down. This book is here because it deals with moral/political complexities with unsentimental respect for its (young adult) readers and characters. Explores freedom and social agency, and the question of using ugly means for emanicipatory ends. It raises the biggest possible questions, and doesn’t patronise us that there are easy answers. The second in the trilogy,The Subtle Knife, is a perfectly good bridging volume… and then in book three,The Amber Spyglass, something goes wrong. It has excellent bits, it is streets ahead of its competition… but there’s sentimentality, a hesitation, a formalism, which lets us down. Ah well.Northern Lightsis still a masterpiece.

I will never understand the hype for His Dark Materials. Why the hell did Bloom say its better than LOTR and Mieville said the first book is a masterpiece??? Could someone explain this for me? I think those books are nothing more than good fantasy for children, worse than the Bartimaeus trilogy even.

[Anonymous No.14025803]

>>14025762
>Bloom
>saying anything intelligent ever

[Anonymous No.14025949]

>>14025762
Have you read Little Big? It's grandma tier fantasy, a 500+ page lace doilie on a paisley wingback chair. Bloom is a fraud.

[Anonymous No.14025977]

Any book about noble houses competing for power in medieval times that's actually good?

[Anonymous No.14026011]

>>14025949
Bloom sure is a fraud but dislikeing Little, Big is a sure sign that you're a retard.

[Anonymous No.14026115]

What should I read if I read stormlight archive and thought it was reddit and kinda bad? I need something based

[Anonymous No.14026130]

>>14026115
hobb

[Anonymous No.14026198]

>>14026115
A you have reached the first level of the /sffg/ mysteries. Now you have to pick your path. There's the degenerate path, if you feel like this is for you you should read Prince of Nothing by Bakker. The other path is the path of the pseud, read Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun.

[Anonymous No.14026299]

>>14026115
>thought it was reddit
What does that mean to you?

[Anonymous No.14026473]

"In the metaphysics of identity, the ship of Theseus is a thought experiment that raises the question of whether an object that has had all of its components replaced remains fundamentally the same object"

I used to think it was the same. Now I know that it's entirely different.

[Anonymous No.14026592]

>>14025762
Mieville's easy to explain: he's an edgy communist and HDM is better because it's atheist. It's the same deal with Moorcock's dislike of Tolkien; Moorcock believes his atheist libertine ideals make him better than a stodgy Catholic "philologist" and the fact that Moorcock is obviously a decent hack while Tolkien makes him angry.

The comparison with Little, Big and The Hobbit is a reasonable matter of taste. That Bloom liked HDM better than LOTR strongly suggests that Bloom didn't get the latter. I suspect it's because LOTR is a deeply, deliberately un-Latin (which includes being un-French) work. Everything about it is Anglo, German, Nordic, Celtic. Bloom is a man of Continental -- and let's not beat around the bush, Jewish -- sensibility; it's unfortunate that he can't see past these biases, although that doesn't discredit him wholesale.

[Anonymous No.14026594]

>>14024237
What, specifically, did you like about 3BP?

[Anonymous No.14026778]

About to finish Dune, what should I read next?
Dune Messiah
Neuromancer
Ubik
Hyperion
The Three Body Problem
Gardens of the Moon
Also, how are you guys enjoying the monthly read? It sounds neat.

[Anonymous No.14026798]

>>14026778
If you haven't read Neuromancer what have you been doing?

[Anonymous No.14026805]

>>14026778 You've presented six choices. Roll a die.

[Anonymous No.14026806]

>>14026798
Nothing productive, that's for sure.

[Anonymous No.14026872]

>>14023119
based and literally me pilled

[Anonymous No.14026883]

>>14024237
blindsight

[Anonymous No.14027161]

>>14024237
echopraxia

[Anonymous No.14027302]

Why aren't you reading the book of the century?

[Anonymous No.14027384]

>>14027302
Because Minecraft is shit.

[Anonymous No.14027397]

>>14027302
I refuse to read anything with 'the' in the title.

[Anonymous No.14027498]

>>14027397
The Book of the new Sun
The Hobbit
The Lord of the Rings
The Great Gatsby
I Capture The Castle
The Call of the Wild
The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
The Master and Margarita
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
The Iliad
The Catcher in the Rye
The miserable ones
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
The Count of Monte Cristo
The Brothers Karamazov
The Time Machine
The Art of War
A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
The Picture of Dorian Gray

[Anonymous No.14027525]

>>14021917
Nice

[Anonymous No.14027540]

>>14027498
Yup.

[Anonymous No.14027541]

>>14026299
Something that reddit would love

[Anonymous No.14027667]

Is the monthly reading any good? Should I bother catching up real quick?

[Anonymous No.14027721]

>>14017419
Cope, midwit

[Anonymous No.14028033]

>>14009512
just finished red rising, should i go for the other 4 books

[Anonymous No.14028149]

>>14027541
That's meaningless because the subreddits are too disparate to generalize. That's like saying something 4chan would love. Who is 4chan?

[Anonymous No.14028165]

>>14027667
Only you know you. Look for yourself. https://books.google.com/books?id=V-ZNrWZeJ3kC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

[Anonymous No.14028173]

>>14028033
Read Rising only has three books. You mean the other two.

[Anonymous No.14028181]

>>14028033
If you enjoyed it enough to feel that you should read the 2nd book, then you should. If you need to ask others then you are too dependent on others for some reason.

[Anonymous No.14028191]

>>14027397
Are you mentally ill, trolling, it both? Probably both.

[Anonymous No.14028201]

>>14027302
Everyone appreciates your sincerity.

[Anonymous No.14028207]

>>14028173
4th is Iron Gold and 5th is Dark Age

[Anonymous No.14028209]

>>14026798
I didn't enjoy or finish Neuromancer.

[Anonymous No.14028218]

>>14028181
I did, a ton actually, read it all today. I'm just asking because 4 books seems like a ton and they get progressively longer

[Anonymous No.14028242]

>>14028218
Only you know your schedule and personal preferences. If you want someone to tell you that's it's okay to drop it even though you really liked it because it's too much to read, then yes, it's okay to do so. You may want to look in advance how long they are in the future. No one call accurately tell you whether it'd be worth your time. This is basically an /adv/ question.

[Anonymous No.14028250]

>>14028242
fair enough.

[Anonymous No.14028256]

>>14028218
Also, it's 4 books right now, but there will be a fifth book to complete the 2nd trilogy and then could even be a 3rd trilogy.

[Anonymous No.14028334]

>>14027498
Not SFF

[Anonymous No.14028343]

>>14009657

Wheel of Time E010S07 "Not Our Waste"

Edmond Fielders introduce the Aiel to veganism. The Aiel learn about the effectiveness of recycling and team building. The Ogier face discrimination at home and abroad.

[Anonymous No.14028355]

>>14023029
>I want to enjoy myself but my Puritan work ethic tells me that enjoying myself is unacceptable? What do I do?

[Anonymous No.14028364]

>>14028343
Season goes before episode.

[Anonymous No.14028380]

>>14028364

Good to know. Actual constructive criticism off the internet. Cant get mad.


Faggot

[Anonymous No.14028429]

>>14017419
>tell me /sffg/, how many others have managed to write a novel at 24?
I recommend not using this as a source of confidence.
Once you actually get into publishing and start talking with agents and editors, you're going to find out that your actual peers have been writing since junior high, and many finished novels before they left high school. I did it. It's not something I'm proud of because early works are always garbage that you try to shove under the rug, not brag about. If you finished your first first draft at 24, it's bad. Write another book or two then come back and look at it again and you'll understand how bad it is. Then you decide if it's worth rewriting. Then you'll decide if it's worth rewriting again and then if it's worth attempting to send in.

You sound like a motivated and disgustingly confident person, so I'm sure you'll achieve whatever goal you have with writing. I just recommend not using that one specific facet as a source of confidence, because if you ever make it into the realm of publishing, it will be crushed into dust and you'll feel like garbage. I speak from personal experience, please listen, or at least remember me warning you once it happens.

[Anonymous No.14028485]

>>14028380
Fragile

[Anonymous No.14028563]

>>14011829
If it doesn't have a map I put it back on the shelf. Can't even be assed to make a map for your world? Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.14028569]

>>14023015
>Dunsany
You should read Dunsany anyway.
His style evolved over the years, I'd recommend some specific stories, "Idle Days on the Yann", and "The Fall of Babbulkund". Of his novels, "Don Rodriguez: Chronicles of Shadow Valley".

[Anonymous No.14028600]

>>14028207
Red rising is a trilogy
Blood song is a standalone.
I don't know what sequels yall talk about.

[Anonymous No.14028614]

>>14028600
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierce_Brown

[Anonymous No.14028639]

>>14028429

http://www.joehaldeman.com/biography/autobiographical-ramble

People who talk about "the writing game" are usually being sarcastic or cynical, but in many ways the activity does resemble a game, with its peculiar rules and rewards, and like most interesting games, success is the result of both skill and luck. The usual pattern for a writer is to collect piles of rejection slips, and after some months or years finally to make a sale, and eventually build a reputation and sell most of what he or she writes. But a significant fraction of the professional writers I've met, a quarter or a third, didn't do that -- like me, they sold their first story and just kept selling. I also sold my first novel to the first publisher who saw it, my first stage play, my first screenplay. When I returned to poetry after a ten-year enforced hiatus (I loved it but felt my energies ought to be reserved for writing that paid), I wrote a long narrative poem that sold to Omni magazine.

That's luck. It's also talent, but after a couple of decades of teaching writing on the side, I know that talent isn't rare. In a class of twenty, there are usually one or two or several who have enough talent to write for a living, eventually. Whether they're willing to play the game, and accept its rewards and penalties, is another matter.

[Anonymous No.14028655]

>>14028614
I'm not clicking that. I know the series ends on book three and nothing takes place afterwards.

[Anonymous No.14028668]

>>14028655
Oh, ok. You're just pretending because you hate the 2nd trilogy so much.

[Anonymous No.14028683]

>>14028563
I couldn't care less if it had a map or not, both of you are ridiculous

[Anonymous No.14028687]

Why would you read a series that you won't see the end of for decades?

[Anonymous No.14028705]

>>14028429
>Once you actually get into publishing and start talking with agents and editors, you're going to find out that your actual peers have been writing since junior high, and many finished novels before they left high school.

The real redpill is realizing that the vast majority of them never really improved from their first works in any way.

Most people like that are there because 1. they come from UMC/UC backgrounds where Daddy's and Mommy's money and connections ensured that they will never have to work for a day in his/her life, basically giving them the freedom to pursue silly shit like MFA programs and whatnot 2. they get published not because they're good, but because they have the money and connections to make things happen.

That anon shouldn't forget that writing prowess is probably among the least important qualities if someone wants to publish a work.

There are no doors in the publishing industry that can't be opened by paying off the right people and rubbing shoulders with the people that matter.

Awful writers get published all the time, while the majority of great writers will never be published. That's not to mention the obvious, gigantic headstart they get through being educated in better schools, having private tutors, etc.

Writers are born, not made. If you weren't born into the bourgeoisie, you might as well just forget your silly dreams of becoming a famous author if you know what's good for you.

Even if you disagree with me right now, you'll come around to realizing this anyway, one way or another, sooner or later.

[Anonymous No.14028719]

>>14028705
Yes I'm an ESL if it wasn't obvious, but the publishing industry is effectively the same all over the globe.

[Anonymous No.14028720]

>>14028687
That's simple.
1. You don't know it's going to be decades beforehand.
2. You can build a collection of memories about it over that time.
3. Not everyone requires instant gratification from everything.
4. Asking, "Why start this series when you are 20 and when you can read it all at once when you're 50?" is a entirely dumb, not the least of which the person may be dead before then.
5. Just because something isn't complete doesn't mean it's without value

I could go on, but that's enough for now.

[Anonymous No.14028755]

>>14028687
because i like to stay with the times.

[Anonymous No.14028777]

>>14028705
That's probably more the case for mainstream literary novels, but not as much for genre fiction.

[Anonymous No.14028791]

>>14028777
Yeah, have fun selling a dozen copies per year. You can't make it big, or even moderately-sized if you don't play the game.

[Anonymous No.14028797]

>>14028791
And to play the game you have to be born into the bourgeois as you stated. I disagree.

[Anonymous No.14028846]

>>14028429
In full honesty, I realize that I'm never going to be a true writer. I started late, I'm not very good, I have no self-control and I'm exactly the kind of dipshit who thinks he can coast through life on his slightly above-average talents.

Still, it gives me something to aim for in life that makes all the mediocrity seem less significant. As long as I don't think about it too much, it's worth it.

[Anonymous No.14028854]

>>14028149
/pol/

[Anonymous No.14028887]

>>14028854
I don't think you'd do very well assuming everyone on 4chan is /pol/ either. Clearly this thread wouldn't be the case. I assume that ought to matter.

[Anonymous No.14028952]

>started working on a story for the first time yesterday
>sit down today to see look over what I have so far
>tfw realizing the entire first part is just 2000 words of dialog
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Anonymous No.14028972]

>>14028952
https://therumpus.net/2014/08/the-dialogue-novel/

[Anonymous No.14029040]

I hope Desolate Era fag is here. I finally finished THE ENDWAR

THE THREE REALMS ARE CHANGED
JI NING IS UNDISPUTIBLY THE MOST POWERFUL ENTITY WITHIN THE THREE REALMS

So the Three Realms, and each 'Worldheart' is what, a solar system? A galaxy?

[Anonymous No.14029101]

>>14026778
Dragonlance Legends

[Anonymous No.14029156]

should I even bother to keep writing? The chance that I'll achieve even a millionth of my ambitions is so hopelessly beyond the pale of possibility that even trying is tragic performance. I don't have any other reason to live, since no matter what I do it's going to be the same story. Should I even bother if all there is to life is failure?

[Anonymous No.14029197]

>>14029156

[Anonymous No.14029212]

>>14029156
Clearly your therapist, family, friends, and anyone else meant to be social support aren't providing you enough support if you are seeking it here.

[Anonymous No.14029266]

New Thread
>>14029265