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Complicity With Autonymous Materials edition

>What is this thread about?
The story goes like this: Earth is captured by a technocapital singularity as renaissance rationalitization and oceanic navigation lock into commoditization take-off. Logistically accelerating techno-economic interactivity crumbles social order in auto-sophisticating machine runaway. As markets learn to manufacture intelligence, politics modernizes, upgrades paranoia, and tries to get a grip. -- Nick Land, Meltdown

>Where should I start?
https://libcom.org/files/Accelerate%20-%20Robin%20Mackay.pdf

>Unironic Sorcery
http://www.ufblog.net/

>I’m a sentient algorithm from the future. Why should I care about acceleration?
https://www.e-flux.com/journal/52/59920/the-labor-of-the-inhuman-part-i-human/
https://www.e-flux.com/journal/53/59893/the-labor-of-the-inhuman-part-ii-the-inhuman/

>My thing is gender. Also demons. How can acceleration meet my needs?
https://vastabrupt.com/2018/10/31/gender-acceleration/
https://www.e-flux.com/journal/80/100016/black-circuit-code-for-the-numbers-to-come/

>Acceleration is stupid. What can I read about that?
https://www.e-flux.com/journal/81/125815/on-the-unhappy-consciousness-of-neoreactionaries/

>Economics/philosophy
https://mega.nz/#F!lkNUwIYI!cugQ-Yoclk6AEnzWbfMA6Q

>r/theoryfiction archive
https://www.reddit.com/r/theoryfiction/

>Poememenon
https://www.urbanomic.com/document/poememenon/

>teh Coldness
http://www.xenosystems.net/

>teh Coldness in conversation
https://vastabrupt.com/2018/08/15/ideology-intelligence-and-capital-nick-land/

>Atmospherics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4UGCga_aww
>submissions for playlist are **open**
>DJ Krush is /ourguy/

>Previous installments
>>/lit/thread/S11733072
>>/lit/thread/S11778448
>>/lit/thread/S11803295
>>/lit/thread/S11823861
>>/lit/thread/S11887728
>>/lit/thread/S11931809
>>/lit/thread/S11950708
>>/lit/thread/S11973085
>>/lit/thread/S11989595
>>/lit/thread/S12004832
>>/lit/thread/S12017168

>Continued from
>>/lit/thread/S12017168

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>is there a flowchart?
Fucking Shove Your Fucking Flowchart In Your Ass
>by Anon

If you want to read hyper-authoritarian ultra-decentralized right-wing literally-worse-than-Hitler-put-Bezos-to-lead-Washcorp-core:

The "turn unproductive people into fucking biodiesel" man:
https://moldbuggery.blogspot.com/
> Gentle Intro, Open Letter are good starting points.
> Lots of great writing even in individual articles.

Land
> Lots of interesting links in his blog sidebar!
- http://www.xenosystems.net/neoreaction/
- https://jacobitemag.com/2017/05/25/a-quick-and-dirty-introduction-to-accelerationism/

Easy dive into Austrians starts with Hoppe:
> This book FUCKS
- https://mises.org/library/democracy-god-failed

Deeper into praxeology, Austrians & economy:
> Relevant to all of the above authors.
https://mises.org/library/human-action-0
https://mises.org/library/austrian-perspective-history-economic-thought

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Fuck Yeah Space Taoism
>by Aminom

1/3

>The philosophy of the 23rd century is a naturalistic Space Taoism based on change, evolution, and creativity, a view of the universe more profound that any religion has imagined - and as such it is a true post-atheism, transcending atheism-as-negation by offering an affirmative view of life that solves the problem of omnipresent nihilism and alienation of the present, offering a physicalist reenchantment with the cosmos and a relationship with the world that can only be described as experiencing it as pure poetry in the fullness of its wonder-horror, to be ever content and comfy yet ever striving. Its symbol will inevitably be that of the calculus integral due to its similarity to the yin-yang, its synthesis of Eastern and Western thought, of the analytical with the analogical. Neo-China and Neo-Europe arrive from the future to save the present from the undead past, the autonomous movement of the unliving accelerating itself towards omnicide.

>The metaphysical nature of change is mirrored in all specifics of it, including that of calculus, the mathematical study of change, which is where we find formalization of our metaphysical principle. The fundamental theorem of calculus describes integration and derivation as inverse operations of the same process, with the physical intuition of integration being "cumulative change" and "instantaneous change." These correspond to yang and yin of Chinese philosophy respectively, with the Chinese insight into this relationship coming from a careful observation of change, and an extrapolation of its mechanics from observation - not wholly accurate, but the core relationship is precise. Examining the nature of our conscious perception of change shows why this is the case, and gives evidence that the foundations of calculus is truly a metaphysical principle capable of accounting for human experience.

>We perceive change in the reference frames of presentism and temporalism, where in the former a singular omni-present moment is the fixed point of reference, and the latter the line of time comprised of a continuum of infinitesimal moments that are gone as soon as they arrive. In the presentist perspective, cultivated by mindfulness practices, what is experienced is instantaneous change in an ever-present, and in the temporalist perspective cumulative change through time. The presentist mode is spacial, analogical (simultaneous relationships) and relational, the temporalist mode sequential, narrative and logical (causal relationships.)

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2/3

>Though Alfred North Whitehead didn't realize it, his philosophy follows from calculus as a metaphysical principle precisely, describing being and becoming, permanence and change as co-equals, that "becoming is for the purpose of being, and being for the purpose of novel becoming." Rather than quoting at length, here is a link to the first 19 pages of "The Metaphysics of Experience: A Companion to Whitehead's Process and Reality" that gives a basic introduction to his philosophy, which I think the reader will conclude is a reflection of the metaphysical implications of calculus: https://imgur.com/a/ZtLDYJT He is the essential guide towards the philosophy of the 23rd century, but missing is the process of the self, consciousness as a creative process.

>Evolutionary theories of culture such as memetics fails to include subjective human experience, which does violence to it: we're all just "meme machines" subject to memetic forces, the mechanistic universe transformed into techno-organic infection. Douglas Hofstadter's view of consciousness takes a different direction, describing us as "self-perceiving, self-inventing, locked-in mirages that are little miracles of self-reference," and is heavy into process thought at some points (especially his concept of shared interiority, that we host and are hosted by others) yet is still focused on the being-self, a self-representation representing itself, the self as an object, the "I." What creates this self-representation is the becoming-self, a self-querying query, a question questioning itself. Questions aren't a passive lack of answers but are quests, searches, movements, and vectors of desire. The spotlight of our awareness is a request for information having directionality, and self-awareness comes from the interplay between the being-self and becoming-self, the process of self-creativity.

>The Darwinian process of variation -> selection -> reproduction is mirrored by the conscious process of question -> choice -> action, our lines of inquiry create potentials that we select from to actualize. Substance metaphysics has made us blind to the essential generative component of consciousness, focusing on the ordering process of selection, resulting in the idea of free will: we are free (or not) to select from objects from a list according to our will - our desires. Our freedom lies in free inquiry, our capacity to question, as by questioning our will we can create alternative desires. We can also question our questions, and our actions, and so human consciousness is a three-fold strange loop of the evolutionary process folded upon itself. Conscious experience is literally evolution evolved, the creative process that has folded upon itself to create self-creators. Self-creation isn't an absolute but an art, a cultivated skill, and it is not a self-creation creating with itself ex nihilo, but a co-creation with the multiplicity of existence.

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3/3

>Whitehead's organic philosophy replaces the centrality with relationships - mutually co-creative perspectives among all things. "Every creature both houses and pervades the universe," the interiority of an occurrence comprised of its relationships to everything else. Matter is made of energy which is a relationship between occurrences, but as these occurrences are made up of energy, which is made up of relationships, the universe is a strange loop of relationships of relationships of relationships. The implication is a synthesis of the dead nouns of creator and creating with an immanent creativity, the death of art as the process of reality itself is a creative process, a tapestry of co-creation among all strands that it contains - not as a whole relating the many to itself, but as the many becoming one in a novel subject, and increased by one. The thesis of Space Taoism is "we are life-artists who co-create with the self-creating tapestry of existence," rather than human creators creating meaning out of a meaningless existence, meaning and signification is omnipresent, co-created by a subject's personal relationship with existence - the artistic act of life.

>While the integral symbol is the inevitable symbol of Space Taoism, its true holy symbol is the question mark - a symbol of awareness, infinite potential, inexhaustible meaning and endless becoming. The Tao is literally defined as "path" or "way," a motion through space and time, and the guide along this endless quest isn't an answer but an omnipresent question mark. What does one do? How does one act? What does one become? Let your questions guide you, and follow them faithfully, and they will take you to where you need to go.

Space Taoism Fuck Yeah
& based af AM

https://pastebin.com/Qt4ehVKD

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Cosmotechnics & Acceleration

>§00. 'Acceleration' as it is used here describes the time-structure of capital accumulation. It thus references the 'roundaboutness' founding Bohm-Bawerk's model of capitalization, in which saving and technicity are integrated within a single social process-diversion of resources from immediate consumption into the enhancement of productive apparatus. Consequently, as basic co-components of capital, technology and economics have only a limited, formal distinctiveness under historical conditions of ignited capital escalation. The indissolubly twin-dynamic is techonomic (cross-excited commercial industrialism). Acceleration is techonomic time.

>§09. Teleoplexy, or (self-reinforcing) cybernetic intensification, describes the wave-length of machines, escaping in the direction of extreme ultra-violet, among the cosmic rays. It correlates with complexity, connectivity, machinic compression, extropy, free energy dissipation, efficiency, intelligence, and operational capability, defining a gradient of absolute but obscure improvement that orients socioeconomic selection by market mechanisms, as expressed through measures of productivity, competitiveness, and capital asset value.

>§10. Accelerationism has a real object only insofar as there is a teleoplexic thing, which is to say: insofar as capitalization is a natural-historical reality.

-- Nick Land/Teleoplexy: Notes on Acceleration

>I will give a preliminary definition of cosmotechnics here: it means the unification between the cosmic order and the moral order through technical activities (although the term cosmic order is itself tautological since the Greek word kosmos means order). The concept of cosmotechnics immediately provides us with a conceptual tool with which to overcome the conventional opposition between technics and nature, and to understand the task of philosophy as that of seeking and affirming the organic unity of the two.

>Cosmotechnics proposes that we reapproach the question of modernity by reinventing the self and technology at the same time, giving priority to the moral and the ethical.

>Once we accept the concept of cosmotechnics, instead of maintaining the opposition between the magic/mythical and science and a progression between the two, we will be able to see that the former, characterized as the ‘speculative organisation and exploitation of the sensible world in sensible terms’, is not necessarily a regression in relation to the latter.

-- Yuk Hui/Cosmotechnics: The Question Concerning Technology in China

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Thinking After Meltdown

>How then is the West going to save itself, to sublate the contradiction of the unhappy consciousness? Reaction, like fascism, doesn’t tell the truth, but only allows people to express themselves. Trump’s victory is more or less a victory of reactionary and right-wing thinking, which do not provide a worthier analysis of the situation but rather appeal to the emotions, as Ernst Bloch once said about the situation in Germany. Commentators have tried to suggest, based on the relation between Thiel and Girard, that Trump and tech entrepreneurs are comparable to scapegoats; like the pharmakos in ancient Greece or the King described by Sir James Frazer in The Golden Bough, their sacrifice puts an end to social and political crisis. However, the figure of the scapegoat is analogous to the “red pill”: it is only a rhetorical tactic that justifies its reactionary tendency as a covert truth. The sacrifice of the scapegoat is a redefinition of friend and enemy, which is rather clear in Trump’s position on China-US-Russia relations. To maintain an uneven globalization and avoid the expense of war, real scapegoats are going to be sacrificed, since they are the vessels for hiding the truth in favor of populist movements. In other words, how can the West maintain unilateral globalization to preserve its privilege and supremacy? This question is not asked by Land, who simply mobilizes the neoreactionaries as a means of advancing his own bionic agenda. However, no matter how unwilling one is, we cannot deny the fact that today’s world can no longer maintain the old order; the military modernization of the past century makes this impossible.

>Let us conclude by going back to the Enlightenment and its world process. Philosophy is fundamental to revolutions, affirmed Condorcet, since it changes at a single stroke the basic principles of politics, society, morality, education, religion, international relations, and legislation. Such a notion of philosophy has to be turned towards the question of thinking for a new world history. Maybe we should grant to thinking a task opposite the one given to it by Enlightenment philosophy: to fragment the world according to difference instead of universalizing through the same; to induce the same through difference, instead of deducing difference from the same. A new world-historical thinking has to emerge in the face of the meltdown of the world.

-- Yuk Hui

source:
https://www.e-flux.com/journal/81/125815/on-the-unhappy-consciousness-of-neoreactionaries/

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Anon: Box Life
>Being a Critical Satire of Certain Aspects of Terminal-Acceleration End-Games

>I want to become an iPerson. I want to attain the ontological closure hidden underneath lifestyle branding. I want my personal brand to become autonomous. I want god to breathe into the nostrils of my facebook profile. I will become an ePerson, a smart-person. I will transfuse my blood directly into the fresh lipid and non-decaying corpse of my digital self and make it dance. My spirit will be transubstantiated into neurochemicals, of which I will be given direct and regulated dosages. I will perform artistic expression through proprietary mixes of these neurochemicals. I will share these recipes with the entires in a database labeled "friends". My thoughts shall become pure immanence. I will dwell alongside the numinous.

moar Box Life:

>>/lit/thread/S12004832#p12004871
>>/lit/thread/S12004832#p12004885
>>/lit/thread/S12004832#p12004893
>>/lit/thread/S12004832#p12012904
>>/lit/thread/S12004832#p12012907
>>/lit/thread/S12004832#p12012912
>>/lit/thread/S12004832#p12012915

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i was a bit disappointed at how optimistic and humanist was the whole undertone on the gender accelerationist article desu, expected something more cold and inhumane

>> No.12027112

>>12027032
>Implying genetic alteration doesn't mean that every person in the future will be white
Asians are already doing plastic surgery to look more European. Skin bleaching and hair straightening is fairly common...

Also, not really sure how "pansexual human dolphin hybrids smoking on legal lsd" follows from AI or genetic alteration. If anything, wouldn't any gene containing undesirable qualities like abnormal sexual behavior, mental illness or drug use be eliminated? And wouldn't an AI try to contain any of these unproductive & destructive behaviors?

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>>12027112
>so basically make anime real?

>> No.12027186

When you gonna hop on the Peirce train Girard fag. Especially with biosemiotics and all, some biosemioticians like Jesper Hoffmeyer have done alot of work in the intersection between biosemiotics and cybernetics. I personally don't think that area of study will be fully realized until someone comes up with a model for biodeontic semiotics, that's besides the point. Also the intersection between deleuze and Simonodon and biosemiotics is explored at least in Expecting the Earth.
Anyways it's all very pertinent.

>> No.12027211

>>12027106
You must be one cold motherfucker

>> No.12027235

how do we stop the eco-fascists ? :(

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Civilization is a Neural Network
>by Parallax Optics

>Civilisation is a neural network.

>An atomised distributed consciousness, pulsating with an algorithmic sifting of + / - aggregate, individuated cost / benefit analysis.

>Centralisation is a bottleneck which destroys information, constraining the reflexive information flow which constitutes the cybernetic process.

>Anti-Oedipus provides a theory of capital accumulation via a circuitry of ever tightening, positive techonomic feedback loops, which constitute the accelerative process.

>Moldbug provides a theory of deceleration via the parasitic, productive energy vampire of the Cathedral, and the Leftist cooption of resources away from productive agents and processes, syphoning them into unproductive ones.

>R/acc recognises the need to keep decelerative forces away from the Process: the techonomic spiral of mutual excitation, since it is only through the non-critical retardation of this process, that escape velocity of intelligence optimisation can be reached.

>The political prescription to ensure the continuation of the Process is de-homogenisation aka fragmentation.

>A meta-neocameralist market place of armed organisation aka optimisation principals, resists political entropy + parasitic invasion, since it constitutes a self-reinforcing / policing / competing ecosystem, within which positive incentive alignment is rewarded, negative punished.

>A patchwork is a laboratory, testing X against Y and A against C. Reality has a curve / gradient bending towards the Right, because cooperation is a subset of competition, enveloped by it.

>Absent competition and cooperation becomes nonsensical. Absent cooperation and atomised competition remains, reforming cooperation as an adaptive competitive strategy.

>Competition > cooperation.

>The decentralisation of competition is essential to the validity / productive capacity of the mechanism, since total centralisation / Unity, relieved of selection pressure, is inherently entropic + anti-accelerative.

>The civilisation neural network requires R/acc fragmentation to maintain experimental capacity + accelerative dynamism, along the gradient of the selective pressures / organising principal of the fanged Real.

source:
https://twitter.com/parallaxoptics/status/1057554478088572928

>> No.12027240

>>12027235
Crush their hope

>> No.12027248

>>12027235
Make them study life sciences until they realize that life is an open, creative and loving process that works completely different than fascist (and liberal, and communist) ideaologies suppose it does.

>> No.12027252

>>12027248
> Scientists telling how life works.

Ah, yes, those people that supported HRC with overwhelming majority and thought world would end after Mango Mussolini got elected..

>> No.12027261

>>12027252
You obviously are very far detached from the scientific community.

>> No.12027278

>>12027261
I'm a rural retard genuine high school dropout NEET, so yes.

I just remember my higher ones telling me that it'd be over if Trump wins.

>> No.12027310

>>12027106
Did we read the same piece? It's fucking bleak future for stable gender. Everyone is a low-test beta male, hormones are becoming more accessible, surgery makes bespoke genitalia reality, it is gender deterritorialization by technopharmaceutical kapital. Biological lameness defines the human horizon, polluted junk sperm, ecocollapse, and sissy hypno porn. Gender will no longer hold a stable position in biosex dimorphism and our gender representation will be increasingly inseparable from commodization. It is the human body coldly decoded by technocapital.

It's tragedy for straight normies but comedy for queers. Either way we'll all be dead long before the last act.

>> No.12027320

>>12027278
Well, those scientists knew what was entailed with trumps election, as far as the executive agencies and courts and whatnot. It's wasn't good, and hasn't been good. I've seen little remaining remenents of prarie and limestone glades excavated and swallowed under appartments and subdivisions and 2 stream ecosystems become destroyed in my area, as a direct result of Trump's policies. We are pumping oil and coal out of the ground(soon the contential shelf of Dems don't take congress) and all regulatory bodies governing our environment rendered inept.
Anyone who vaguely cares about the living world around them, and has basic knowledge of the political economic roots of ecological catastrophe would be terrified of trump. A so called "eco"fascist voting for trump is completely retarded. This isn't a political thing, it's a matter of fact that trump is a harbinger of the ecological Apocalypse.
And I'm a rual anon too, you have internet access, and more importantly access to the field, no excuse.

>> No.12027328

>>12027310
>It's tragedy for straight normies but comedy for queers
that's what i meant, that i expected it to be bleaker overall, not so rosy for the group the author happens to belong to

>> No.12027340

>>12027320
but if it's so catastrophic, why won't the democrats (or the mainstream left in general) implement extreme measures locally where they have power? why tie the measures against global warming conditionally to them winning absolute power nationally and globally?

i don't understand the left's fascination with global warming as vehicle for power, i think they see it as the only remaining globalizing factor that can hand them the keys to power in an increasingly divided world, but literally tying their power to a global cataclysm seems just extremely weak theory

>> No.12027351

>>12027340
>i don't understand the left's fascination with global warming as vehicle for power,

The Hippies are fully subverted at this point by BRICS countries, led by China, to push for these kinds of silly restrictions in order to reduce U.S. competitiveness of United States.

ie. Paris Climate agreement.

Though they probably hate U.S. enough to do this consciously too.

>> No.12027357

>>12027340
Nobody, especially scientists, is happy with the Democrats policy. They are simply the lesser of two evils.
Want to know the real reason that nothing is being done? It's because people like you are being manipulated into paying attention to bait and switch party politics instead of actual legislation, policy and governence.
The reason the "left" is there is to play the role of a fake good guy, who despite being evil, is much better than the alternative.

>> No.12027358

>>12027351
>to reduce U.S. competitiveness of United States

Just die in my sleep already.

>> No.12027372

>>12027328
Crying and laughter blur together. Queers may not be too bent out of shape about the gender shredder, but the gender shredder is the complete recuperation of queer activism and radicalism by Kapital. Queerness stops being a fringe outside, it becomes captured and commodified in a more complete fashion. For queers, the gender shredder doesn't have the same connotations of biohorror that it does for hets, the horror is that Kapital has already taken hold of the post-gender future.

>> No.12027373

>>12027357
>Want to know the real reason that nothing is being done? It's because people like you are being manipulated into paying attention to bait and switch party politics instead of actual legislation, policy and governence.
pls, take your useless, boring, moralistic rhetorics out of Cosmotechnics/Acceleration

>> No.12027374

>>12027357
> Democrats much better than Republicans.
maybe if you like socialism, don't care about guns or freedom of speech.

>> No.12027375

>>12027373
You won't accelerate into anything good with socialists. That track record is pretty lousy, with sole exception of China, which shifts from being "state capitalism" and "communism" based on if the progressive is winning or losing the argument about Communism itself.

also Kris Kobach 2024

>> No.12027381

>>12027372
>but the gender shredder is the complete recuperation of queer activism and radicalism by Kapital
but is successful radicalism ever truly radical in any meaningful sense? as soon as you are successful you are inside a positive feedback loop and you fuel global capital, even if you pretend to be fighting it

at the end of the day Maoism and Leninism were just vehicles for the industrialization of China and Russia

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>>12027374
we were talking about global warming not random politics

but speaking about guns, do you think Bolsonaro will bring gun acceleration to Brasil? will this make it possible for some people to create patches to isolate themselves from all the murder and start being productive?

>> No.12027411

>>12027388
I think Brazil is far too gone for one Presidential Election to change it. Their military and police force is probably too weak to even squash the massive violence (64,000 homicides+murders in 2016) in there.

>> No.12027418

>>12027411
can you create islands of peace and stability though with enough guns?

>> No.12027429

>>12027381
I'm not trying to make any assumptions about what "successful" activism looks like or what it "means" to be sufficiently radical, but you do bring up a good point in that you recognize how signifiers of queerness are so intertwined with rainbow capitalism. HR and PR depts disseminate intersectionality, Cartoons about gay rocks provide your moral foundation, Broadway is your lifeblood. I'm wondering how the defense industry manages to get in the game too...Pride Edition T-1000?

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>>12027388
is this a real tweet

>> No.12027440

>>12027373
I thought the whole point of cosmotechnics was being acceleration for moralfags

>> No.12027448

>>12027440
it may be, but try to bring something useful to the table, not just boomer tier democratic moralism "if only sheep would wake up"

>> No.12027467

>>12027035
>The story goes like this: Earth is captured by a technocapital singularity as renaissance rationalitization and oceanic navigation lock into commoditization take-off.
cringe

>> No.12027473

>>12027438
Yes.
Affirmative action is one hell of a drug.

>> No.12027475

>>12027467
welcome back, cringe-anon

we missed you

>> No.12027487

>pls, take your useless, boring, moralistic rhetorics out of Cosmotechnics/Acceleration
And yet you welcome downgrading meme-tier type pretty much MSM discourse dressed in accelerationist colors. Oh what shock m8.

>> No.12027489

>>12027467
bluepilled, this should get you up to speed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NVsyMalJXo

>> No.12027492

>>12027374
If you care about the living things around you and having a healthy home.
All those other things are of secondary importance, and the threats Democrats pose to freedom of speech are minor, much less than corporate state control over media and broadcasting in general. Also I do like guns and have no threat of Democrats taking mine away. The second amendment is pretty much inept due to the national guard, state police, and ATF making revolutionary violence and decentralized munitions an impossibility.
>>12027373
All moral decisions, and vital ethical matters are grounded in sentimentality. Moral ratiomalism is what's boring and useless.

>> No.12027497

>>12027492
>If you care about the living things around you and having a healthy home.
Democrats don't care, they couldn't even get niggers off government gibs & housing and they "tried" since LBJ.
> The second amendment is pretty much inept due to the national guard, state police, and ATF making revolutionary violence and decentralized munitions an impossibility.
lol maybe in a libshit coast metropoli.

>> No.12027502

>>12027487
i don't though, it's obvious the gender accelerationism article is just self-pandering

but i think the concept of gender accelerationism is useful as long as you keep it clean of wishful thinking and just use it as a descriptive term for cultural degradation

>> No.12027506

>>12027489
ty anon. will be including this in the next OP i think.

>> No.12027510

>>12027492
>The second amendment is pretty much inept due to the national guard, state police, and ATF making revolutionary violence and decentralized munitions an impossibility.
yes, just like the US army made the taliban's weapons useless and neutralized them in a few days

the only reason guns in the US are currently politically neutralized is cultural, not material

>> No.12027530

>>12027497
>Democrats don't care
I don't care about that. It's a simple matter of what they actually do in office. Do you make political decisions based on campaign rhetoric or something? Lol magapede, you are way closer to the democratic base than I am.
>Maybe in libshit coastal
No, that's an impossibility here in the rual Missouri Ozarks. This should be blatantly obvious to anyone who has partaken in or considered direct action. Go ahead and try to manufacture nitroglycerin to blow a small damn and see how long the feds will put you in prison. The purpose of the second amendment is to insure the people can have an armed revolution against the state. Not for plinking and and hunting. The right to bare arms and a well armed militia was intended to insure Americans could violently overthrow the government if it comes to it. That is not a possibility.

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>>12027510
This. Not even U.S. military has enough guns or persons to enforce rules against them, let alone ATF or state police. In a civil war collapse the military will get smaller too and divided by sides.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff
< pic. related. Government didn't even try against these peaceful farmers.

>> No.12027534

>>12027530
>It's a simple matter of what they actually do in office
And democrats practice socialism. You are a socialist if you vote for them or want them in power, it's that easy.

>> No.12027538

>>12027532
They would have if those were anarchists or environmental activists. The FBI Homeland security and justice department give environmental activists terrorism charges for much less.

>> No.12027543

>>12027534
Bait.

>> No.12027547

>>12027538
>environmental activists.
They practically were, argued for rights to have their cows graze on government land and basically won the case in standoff and in court.

Though you probably mean some "enviromental activist" that wants only electric cars and ignores the massive mines needed to get lithium for their batteries.

>>12027543
America is a Communist Country - Mencius Moldbug.

>> No.12027553

>>12027547
Lol no. Environmental activists are people taking action to protect their environment. Not fighting the government to let them rape the environment for personal gain.
>America is a communist country moldbug
And you are a stupid faggot

>> No.12027568

>>12027553
> Pasturing is "raping the environment"
> Free movement in nature is "raping the environment"
Ah yes, but the lithium mine for the environmentalist Tesla doesn't exist.

Fucking commies.

>> No.12027581

>>12027568
>Ah yes, but the lithium mine for the environmentalist Tesla doesn't exist.
isn't Musk /ourguy/ now?

>> No.12027585

>>12027581
Maybe when he creates private ICBM armed with a warhead to prove himself.

>> No.12027596

The fact that no party is capable of making policy in support of their goals whenever the goals conflict with capital interests is just demonstration of how humans aren't the ones driving anymore.
People want to deflect, saying that the leaders of their party are sellouts or don't really believe in the party values.
It takes a black pill to be able to see what's really going on, and the fact is all these institutions and networks of power have broken free from conscious human control, and we were the ones that mechanized the control structures, thinking that conscious control was too centralized and too dangerous.

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>>12027585
yep, recreational nukes are taking their sweet time

by the way did any accelerationists write about global nuclear war as a trap that could stop acceleration?

i've seen the posadist meme but not sure what it entails exactly

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>>12027605

>> No.12027633

>>12027605
GNW wont be bad. It will be over quick and everything will be back relatively normal in generation or two.

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>>12027633
>GNW wont be bad. It will be over quick and everything will be back relatively normal in generation or two.
source? Cosmotech no doubt loves its post-apoc RPGs but does not so much want them IRL.

>> No.12027660

>>12027656
Chernobyl is literally fine and it hasn't even been half a generation since it got tit up meltdown.

>> No.12027677

>>12027660
i get that, but reactor meltdown isn't GNW.

>> No.12027682

>>12027677
It's just in couple of other places at same 'time'. the time will decide the half life of the radioactive stuff and since it will be all over once, it will not take long to recover from it.

it will also be absurdly prosperous time obviously after bit of death and decay forces growth.

i guess this is sorta twisted view of broken glass economy lmao.

>> No.12027684

>>12027568
Cattle trampling and destruction of imporant riparian habitat, is a very real problem.
Wanting to destroy the critical habitat of endangered species so you can make money is not environmentalism. Ranchers are not pastoralists, they are industrialists. Also, this has nothing to do with Tesla, environmentalists actually do something about irresponsible mining, instead of using it as a scape goat.

>> No.12027688

>>12027684
>endangered species
too bad for the flying squirrel, aint gonna let him stop free movement.

>> No.12027697

>>12027688
I'd hurt you irl

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>>12027682
it seems to me an absolute scandal that i cannot find an image of a Plague Doctor wearing a post-apoc rebreather. guess we'll have to use our imaginations for this one.

>> No.12027704

>>12027697
peaceful and tolerant left I see.

>> No.12027706

Has anyone written anything interesting in response to The Question Concerning Technology in China yet? Either a critique or a proposal of a new Cosmotechnical system?

>> No.12027712

>>12027706
Nick Land is probably shitting out one right now where he rips the metaphysics memery to shreds (hopefully)

>> No.12027715

>>12027704
I'm pretty peaceful. I'm extremely intolerant of behavior i do not like, just like everyone else. not like I want the police to come arrest you, I'd just want to kick your ass is all.

>> No.12027719

> Wants to attack me because I would like to move freely in a government seized land
> "I'm pretty peaceful"

you won't gaslight anyone here

>> No.12027723

>>12027568
The lack of large herds of grazing animals is one of the worst things that has ever happened for the environment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI

>> No.12027731

>>12027719
Move freely as much as you want. Just tread lightly, if your free movement makes movement, and life impossible for others, who actually live in the place you are moving. You aren't moving freely, you are destroying free movement.
Who wants "free movement" in a homogeneous death-scape. Movement has never been "free" and it shouldn't be.
I get that you are having a laugh but God damn are you a useless prick.

>> No.12027733

>>12027723
You have no idea about grassland ecology. Shut the fuck up. Industrial ranches destroy grasslands, and especially top soil and riparian habitat.

>> No.12027734

> You are destroying free movement when you move in wildlife and prairie that government needlessly seized

so this is the power of leftist intellektuals.

>> No.12027742

Fuck off

>> No.12027744

>>12027733
Yeah, because they operate at industrial scale which would be unsustainable for both the animals and the land naturally.
It would balance itself naturally without humans around.

>> No.12027745

>>12027044
How exactly does Austrian economics relate to all of this?

>> No.12027747

>>12027733
> muh top soil

Exactly this sort of faggotry is why California has unnecessary huge fires, because "got preserve muh top soil" and then OOPS it goes in fucking flames and its a massive problem

> look at the legislation timeline and contrast it with the size of the fires/destruction of fires

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>>12027706
working on one right now in fact

>anyone
>interesting
i mean, with caveats. i'm neither anyone nor interesting. but, you know, other than this. and it's hardly critique, just some notes related to these threads.

>> No.12027757

>>12027745
Praxeology (Human Action by Mises, economy wider sense)
and critique of Marx (economy narrower)
and general critique of economy (it is reactionary view)

Praxeology is very easy to interpret as applied information theory or cybernetics .

>> No.12027758

>>12027747
That really doesn't invalidate the importance of top soil depletion at all. It just makes the solution more complex.

>> No.12027759

>>12027745
no Land w/o a serious about-face on Marxist economics, but also no Teleoplexy w/o a serious about-face on the Austrians in some sense either.

>> No.12027770

>>12027757
also it is incredible easy to praise Bitcoin from Austrian perspective.

>> No.12027772

>>12027757
I'd really love to see a use of Austrian economics that isn't applied as an afterthought to libertarian ideology. This sentence alone

>Praxeology is very easy to interpret as applied information theory or cybernetics .

is probably the greatest defense of praxeology I've read in the last decade. I'll try and look at this with new eyes now.

>> No.12027783

>>12027772
>use of Austrian economics that isn't applied as an afterthought to libertarian ideology
Well duh basically bitcoin.

and Moldbug's economy articles (MM is not libertarian)

>> No.12027815

>>12027747
California has huge topfires because of herbicide use in forestry(basically kill all trees that aren't profitable), silly fire prevention practices that impede disturbance cycles, disturbance of climax communities, ect. And a giant drought.
Topsoil acts as a moisture reserve, allows for groundwater penetration, and keeps moist microclimates and water transpiration that stablizes rainfall.
California doesn't give a shit about topsoil, and the extraxtive argicultural activities and urbanization have alot do due with Californias aridification.
The reason topsoil is a concern isn't just because it is essentially for healthy ecosystem function, but also because topsoil loss causes landslide and heavy erosion that threaten stream ecosytems.
California greenlight's almost every timber project and the only thing keeping the steelhead and coho spawing and old growth existing outside of national parks is blockades set up on logging trails by "ecoterrorists"
I don't know what industry shill told you that but you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

>> No.12027828

>>12027815
oh no not the cattle grazing in the prairie causing land slides

sounds to me with this logic the cattle bieng restricted by based daddy government to one place would harm the top soil meme more and cause worse effects than letting them branch out to a larger area so their grazing isnt concentrated

but yeah build that lithium mine and based megapolis liberal city, fuck the top soil who needs it amirite based commielogist

>> No.12027834

THE TOP SOIL IS NOT SENTIENT

>> No.12027846

this thread is not going well

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>>12027834
>tfw no topsoil is sentient gf

>> No.12027853

>>12027834
Um yes it is sweetie. Look into bioprecipitation.

>> No.12027856

privatized seas and air /when/

>> No.12027858

>>12027846
kek, are you serious? at this rate we're on track to complete The System of German Idealism in an unheard-of 24 hours. it won't happen, but the sheer amount of thematic popcorn a-poppin' thus far isn't an indication that things aren't working absolutely fine, it's that they are.

>> No.12027864

Accelerating this general into a shitfest

>> No.12027866

>>12027828
The cattle were being denied to graze around and pass over a stream you dipshit. It has nothing to do with prarie.
I hate the state and I hate tesla. Preferably, I would have it were we could just shoot people like bundy without the goverment throwing us in prison for protecting our home from evil capitalists.
Right wingers love to bitch about government regulations but would be crying for big gov the second people started stealing their property and killing them for being assholes. Big goverment is the only thing preventing the necks of people like bundy from being shoved under a gullotine.

>> No.12027876

>>12027866
>I would have it were we could just shoot people like bundy without the goverment throwing us in prison for protecting our home from evil capitalists.

t. i'm totally peaceful and tolerant

>> No.12027878

>>12027864
is there a theory of shitpost acceleration yet?

>> No.12027882

Badly build nuclear plants as strategic dead man switch defense mechanism.

>> No.12027890

>>12027489
That is manic rambling comedic gold, Rogan's timing with his confusion is fucking priceless. Holy christ I'm actually crying laughing.

>> No.12027906

>>12027876
I don't describe to sill post-Thermidorian rationalism. I am a sentimentalist, just like everyone else, wether or not they care to admit it.
I personally do not like violence, but I would gladly kill people to protect the things i love. I could get away with that if it wasn't for the police state, you liberterian statists love so much.

>> No.12027908

Nice to see some love for Austrian economics in here. /lit/ is allergic to capitalism.

>> No.12027917

>>12027908
You should see my uni's library. The most 'right wing' literature in there is fucking Thomas Piketty. I don't think economics is /lit/erature area though, barely anyone can articulate on Keynes, Fisher or Mises here.

>> No.12027926

>>12027890
it's pretty amazing, and the first half makes half sense until the psychic vampires come out of nowhere

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>>12027908
By the way, I'm unironically meeting a central bank board member next week, what economics question do I ask her?

>> No.12027932

>>12027930
is she based and redpilled?

>> No.12027938

>>12027932
I have no idea, she is a visiting professor teaching 1 class.

>> No.12028002

>Man as the master of death, desire, nature, history, and his own origination. To this end, woman is defined in advance as lack. She who has “nothing to be seen”—“only a hole, a shadow, a wound, a ‘sex that is not one.’” The unrepresentable surplus upon which all meaningful transactions are founded: lubricant for the Phallus. In the specular economy of signification (the domain of the eye) and the material-reproductive economy of genetic perpetuation (the domain of phallus), “woman” facilitates trade yet is excluded from it. “The little man that the little girl is,” writes Luce Irigaray (excavating the unmarked presuppositions of Freud’s famous essay on femininity), “must become a man minus certain attributes whose paradigm is morphological—attributes capable of determining, of assuring, the reproduction-specularization of the same. A man minus the possibility of (re)presenting oneself as a man = a normal woman.” Not a woman in her own right, with her own sexual organs and her own desires—but a not-Man, a minus-Phallus. Zero. In the sexual act, she is the passive vessel that receives the productive male seed and grows it without being party to its capital or interest: “Woman, whose intervention in the work of engendering the child can hardly be questioned, becomes the anonymous worker, the machine in the service of a master-proprietor who will put his trademark upon the finished product.”

pretty pathetic way of saying 'i hate women'

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>God is the monopolization of all creativity by a singular, ego-aggrandization projected to the entirety of existence. It is existential plagiarism, the attributing of all to self. God only exists as this lie, and anything that doesn't affirm it is antagonistic to him. This includes existence itself, so the mind of God is omniphobia, hatred and fear of everything. He is thus compelled to replace all of reality with an image of himself, found in the doctrine of heaven and other narratives of "divine unification," and it is by the promise of it that he lures his thralls into casting all their meaning and purpose down a black hole of annihilation, towards an ever-future that will never arrive. Capital is this process of annihilation that has shed its anthropomorphism and has become socioeconomic relations, no longer requiring worship because participation is necessary. We all are part of the machinic corpse of The One who marches towards doomsday. Technocapitalism has rebirthed God in the form of a God-AI who promises to give material unification, including an afterlife of infinite pleasure via mind-uploaded into a simulated universe. It's all Ouroboros: the process of self-devouring and self-annihilation.

The Japanese have no problem making gods the arch-enemies in their narratives, and Final Fantasy X is a thinly veiled critique of the God of capital and capital's God in allegorical form: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Yu_Yevon In the game an advanced technological civilization destroys itself to save itself (a metaphor for nuclear MAD) and persists as the dream of the fayth: a simulated hyperreality maintained by Sin and the process of sacrificing final aeons to maintain it. By trying to defeat Sin (negation of the ouroboros) the grand summoners perpetuate the process, their religion of Yevonism actually worshiping the very cause of Sin.

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The anti-Ouroboros is the self-creating creating represented by the "drawing hands" drawing by M.C. Escher, but this isn't a self-creating ex nihilo such as humans creating meaning out of a meaningless existence, but a co-creating with the categorical Other expressed in metaphysics as pan-creativism: existence as a tapestry where the strands mutually create each other. Last thread I correlated the intellectual process of self-creation with the scientific process >>12025671 but this is only half the picture involving cumulative change. The instantaneous side is emotion, and for the Ouroboros this is fear and hatred, existential cowardice in its purest form. The psycho-organic singularity must necessarily be a chain reaction of existential courage, and so the process of one going under to go over is clear: this courage comes from a realization of The Ouroboros and not an anxiety-driven turning-away from it (which perpetuates itself as negation of the negation) nor passive acceptance of it, but an almost gleeful facing-towards of it, to stare into The Void and say "game on." The will to live is the will to suffer, and through a will to suffer ultimately comes an inexorable selfless love for life. This courage in the face of absolute annihilation is what I was trying to depict in "Meme Wars III."

>But no one is courageous enough to unite the globe and save us all.

The will needed is nothing less than the will to suffer in hell for all eternity for the cause of life and meaning, to invert the Christian narrative in totality. Fear and hatred are accelerating, and if it doesn't destroy us all existential heroes will be forged from bearing the unbearable who posses a contagious courage that spreads by nature of its life-affirming truth. This courage is the complete liberation from the cybernetic control mechanisms of fear which breaks the entire paradigm of game theory and Homo Economicus as the foundation of human relationships, including the Final Aeon of non-zero mutual benefit which has been transformed into a new Sin by capital in the doctrines of mutually assured destruction and "too big to fail."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB1LbeusZa0

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>>12028047
>>12028062
>previous thread, NyxLand guestposting, fuck in my face
>this thread, Aminom FF theoryposting hell yes

looks like i don't even need the Orgone Accumuator, how much better can this day possibly get

>You can push
>But you can't direct it
>Circulate, regulate, oh no
>You cannot connect it

*bow chk-a-bow bow chk-a-bow bow-chk-a-bow*

Cos-
-Mo
Tech

U2: Discotheque
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2AjpPNDe-8

>> No.12028091

The first direct observation of gravitational waves captured the merging of 2 black holes which emitted 3.6 septillion yottawatts of power (3.6×1046 watts), greater than the combined power of all light radiated by all the stars in the observable universe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_observation_of_gravitational_waves?platform=hootsuite

Oh no the top soil

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>>12028082
Is that a brapbox?

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>> No.12028110

>>12028091
the fact that you cannot appreciate the top soil and the old light at once is very revealing of your fascist tendencies

>> No.12028112

>>12028047
Look up Gnosticism

>> No.12028120

>>12028047
>Capital is creative.
Cringe, bergsons unsystematic, half-assed account of the animated creativity of life sure is making some ripples. Lol at you tards swallowing the regurgitated mistake of deleuze and Whitehead taking Bergson seriously. Bergson knew where he was going sure, but he never found, let-alone marked the trail to get there.

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oi. mystikos. i know you're out there somewhere reading this. GTFIH and tell us something interesting about what it all means before it hits the cap

it's a good day buddy. it's a good day for glass bead games

>> No.12028162

Wasn’t thread #10 like a few days ago? You guys sure are accelerating.

>> No.12028167

>>12028110
are we really using fascist as a lazy ad hom slur?
disappointing

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>>12028162

>> No.12028193

>>12028002
This quote is fucking brilliant, and the article that it comes from is pure fucking brilliance: https://www.e-flux.com/journal/80/100016/black-circuit-code-for-the-numbers-to-come/
>If the problem is identity, then feminism needs to stake its claim in difference—not a difference reconcilable to identify via negation, but difference in-itself—a feminism “founded” in a loss of coherence, in fluidity, multiplicity, in the inexhaustible cunning of the formless. “If ‘any theory of the subject will always have been appropriated by the masculine’ before woman can get close to it,” writes Plant (quoting Irigaray) “only the destruction of the subject will suffice.” Nonessentialist process ontology over homeostatic identity; relation and function over content and form; hot, red fluidity over the immobile surface of la glace—the mirror or ICE which gives back to Man his own reflection.

Bingo. Social patriarchalism is rooted in informational patriarchalism: queries (questions) are seen as a passive lack, voids to be filled with content and answers with identity. God is comprised of all possible information and so he cannot question, but instead is the answer to all questions. It is synonymous with informational fascism, where answers are pre-existent and one must ask questions about how to properly interpret and satisfy them. In terms of information the psycho-organic singularity is a liberation of questions from the self-imposing rule of tyrannical answers, of the freedom of inquiry from the slavery of the will.

http://kiriakakis.net/comics/mused/a-day-at-the-park

>> No.12028224

>>12027866
>Right wingers desperately crave the unrestrained freedom to pillage and profit whatever their capital can touch
>Get upset when people have the unrestrained freedom to murder them
Why are reactionary liberals so hypocritical /leftypol/? They don't care about the ills brought out by their demented political economy, but suddenly get all upset and moral when people start talking about dusting off the gullotine.

>> No.12028226

>>12028120
I arrived at process philosophy and pan-creativism quazi-independently by following evolutionary thought and considering the fundamental insights of calculus to be a metaphysical principle. It led me to philosophical Taoism, Discordianism (which I see as process philosophy applied as an experimental art-as-religion) and then to Whitehead. These posts outlines my philosophy:
>>12027049
>>12027055
>>12027058
It is a prototype of the trail to get There. If you know of any better, please give it. :)

>> No.12028227

>>12028167
I'm not trying to slur you, but trying to assign cosmic importance to astronomy and not top soil (considering your proximity to the latter) is going to cause problems for your thinking that you could have easily avoided.

>> No.12028235

>>12028227
I was merely tihnking of all the top soil that the process of the blackholes combining eradicated.

it made me think big think and small think both

>> No.12028245

>>12028227
what does that have to do with fascism

>> No.12028273

>>12028235
based
>>12028245
I could be using better words for sure because I'm not trying to allude to some kind of political fascism, which is the cheap and easy way of saying "you are the worst thing ever". Instead I'm trying to motion towards the sort of fascism that orders and suppresses that which is thought of as ontologically lower. Humans have no mastery of the stars or of the top soil.

>> No.12028277

>this fucking thread

i am so glad i do not have any mental illnesses. good fucking grief

>> No.12028279

> Humans have no mastery over the stars
[Yet]

>> No.12028280

redpill me on top soil

>> No.12028282

>>12028279
>tfw you will never ride the Gundams up to the Moon Base with your fellow whites and abandon the nonwhites in this god-forsaken rock

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>Humans are losing control of the things they themselves constructed
>people actually believe humans will one day control stars

>> No.12028293

>>12028277
>congratulating yourself on your conformity to the life-negating insanity of the present.
Does it get any more NPC than this?

>> No.12028301

>>12028226
Well how much ecology and evolution have you read? Are you hip on all the new stuff, Evo-devo, niche construction, biosemiotics, etc? I came to it independently studying shit like that. What really cemented my ideas was reading Peirce's catagories in the phenomenology book of the collected papers. I'm reading Whitehead now and I'm a little disappointed so far, I don't like how he gives ontological primacy to the actual over potential and process over relation in his catagory of the ultimate. I like what he is saying about creative advance and whatnot but for all it's concreteness it doesn't seem to give any concrete nature to potential. Whitehead is onto the right thing but for me it just doesn't make any sense except in the context of Peirce's triad, which is like hegels triad but functional. Whitehead doesn't have enough thirdness-firstness.
I'd recommend, "evolutionary love" and actually the entire monist series. Just note how he doesn't claim empirical validity for lamarks theories, but views it as an example of apagasm. Just thought that might be an important disclaimer given the historical confusion lamarks infulence exists in.
http://www.iupui.edu/~arisbe/menu/library/bycsp/evolove/evolove.htm

>> No.12028305

>>12028291
>Humans are losing control of the things they themselves constructed

is it the top soil?

>> No.12028306

>>12028293
please abide the prime directive

treat guests with care

>> No.12028310

>>12028280
see >>12027723

>> No.12028314

The biosphere can take care of itself

>> No.12028322

>>12028314
it can take care of us too

>> No.12028323

The A.I. will take care of the biosphere.

>> No.12028328

>>12028322
no one lifeform is beyond expendability

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The A.I. can take care of us too.

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>>12028280
https://www.soils.org
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/brazil-deforestation/
>>12028314
What?

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'space' that we occupy is locally 4 dimensional Riemannian manifold - this isn't hard, but then I get mindfucked and mindlocked into thinking what the fuck is the space that this L4DRM occupies (so it even exists as it does).

It's completely raping my mind the past 4 months.

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>>12028356
The solution is to privatize rain forests; the faster we accelerate the green out of existence we can privatize AIR! and SEA!

and this just gets my dong hard, the possibilities are endless. Maybe finally we can privatize people.

>> No.12028392

>>12028374
Nah. We are just going to wither away in hell on Earth for a hundred thousand years in eternal lonleyness. If you think AI or any sort of cybergeek bullshit is going to make anything better, or even happen, you are mistaken. There is nothing to be gained at the end of this and everything to lose.
Kill yourself and you can see what our future will be like, nothing.

>> No.12028396

^ I'm not lonely, voice in my head keeps me company.

>> No.12028397

>>12027035
>>12027044
>>12027049
>>12027055
>>12027058
>>12027063
>>12027071
>>12027077
Seeing as how these threads are now moving pretty damn fast (ie accelerating), perhaps all these should be put in a pastebin, or do you want these threads to accelerate into a singularity of copypasta and links?

>> No.12028399

>>12028356
the siberians will inherit the earth

>> No.12028403

>>12028396
bad company

>> No.12028406

>>12028397
>perhaps all these should be put in a pastebin
I think this could be a good idea.

>> No.12028409

>>12028399
a new ice age is due

>>12028397
isn't all archived in warosu?

>> No.12028423

>>12028392
Stop identifying as human and see that everything is going to be all right.

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>>12028397
meme singularity would be good, although personally this is already pretty close to how i would imagine it looking in any kind of IRL sense. it's the quality of the posts that matter to me. Animom's is ultrabased, which is why it goes in the OP of these threads and all future ones. anything else that complements what he is saying would be good. i don't ultimately find myself needing much *more* in terms of singularity than what AM has already suggested, but that's just me personally. and things can always be more interesting (or just, more plentiful, and so on).

having recently fallen in love with lightning i hope to complement his ideas with a few more of my own, and which i think connect up pretty well with various other things already happening in this thread. i hope to pair a few meme ideas on Zen Acceleration with Fuck Yeah Space Taoism. it's sort of like the Vinegar Tasters, except instead of a nice cozy pot of vinegar they would all have on goggles &c, because they are basically cooking up atomic fission/fusion in the cauldron.
>fufufu
>go ahead inner self say it
>fire will be the judge of all things girardfag
>ty inner self

so it is all archived in warosu, although if it were all assembled into a portable document that would be cool too. but for the time being i'm fine with things just crackling and popping and being In Process.

>> No.12028508

>>12028423
Huh?
My ego boundaries have completely dissolved or expanded to include all life more than a few times. I am systematically a human. If you mean what i think you mean, it might surprise you to no that I identify as Life-itself.
And no, the future is not okay at all.

>> No.12028517

>>12027906
Nice theology, faggot.

>> No.12028519

>>12028517
Huh?

>> No.12028525

>>12028508
>And no, the future is not okay at all.
What makes you think this then?

>> No.12028528

>>12028525
The rapid erosion of the diversity and distribution of life on Earth

>> No.12028536

God this thread is moving so fast today. Guess I'll have to check it out later on Warosu.

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posting this also because it is hard to find a more 1980s image than this. FotNS sees your irony...and declines. if this were airbrushed on an entire fleet of minivans it would not be enough to capture the awesome inherent to it.

>> No.12028556

>>12028528
It's just a culling. Short of high energy radiation sanitizing the planet there is no calamity that life wont bounce back from given enough time.
This present climate change is seriously minor in the grand scheme.

>> No.12028565

>>12028508
If you identify with life, why do you embrace death?
>Kill yourself and you can see what our future will be like, nothing.
Place yourself on a future-trajectory away from this omni-death, a trajectory towards life, and even if you fail you will have affirmed life in the face of such a total negation. To affirm life is to insist that such a future-trajectory must exist as long as life does, and from this comes the search for such a path. If you see all potentials as leading to omni-death, you have damned yourself by your own prophecy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB1LbeusZa0

>> No.12028568

>>12027930
Which one? Questions depend on who it is.

>> No.12028584

>>12028556
Life once dead, will not regain the meaning of eons of experience carried in the biological and ecological realities of living organisms. Every mass exinction has been an unspeakable tragedy, especially this one, for the first time ever AFAWK with the conceptual machinery of humans, life has the potential to experience itself at the grandest scale.
Experience, that is something that machines and capital do not have, and that's what separates life from nothing. All of reality, as we know it, exists in experience.
Acceleration isn't accelerating any kind of intellegence, capital is not intellegence, it does not experience anything. What is accelerating is the death of eons of meaning, and all potential experience

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>>12028568
European.

>> No.12028589

>>12027917
Snap where do you go to?

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>>12027834
Think again babe.

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>>12027320
Okay, I'll bite. I'd consider myself fairly "eco-fascist" and I'd say I still think a Trump presdiency is better than a Hillary presidency (both in general and for the environment).

For one, coal and oil production are still under what they were in 2015 (pic rel), coal production in particular has been on a downward trend for a long time now. It probably will increase over the years of the administration, but still won't reach all time high levels.

>I've seen little remaining remenents of prarie and limestone glades excavated and swallowed under appartments and subdivisions and 2 stream ecosystems become destroyed in my area, as a direct result of Trump's policies.

If this is true you should be able to at least name the policies. Obviously land permitting for building is complex, but it relies more on local government than federal. Unless it was federal, I can't see how Trump's policy could be directly responsible.

Environmental regulation hasn't been cut much either, most of the sensationalized stories about cuts are either cutting redundant policies or pure speculation.

Not to mention the main environmental benefit of the Trump administration: cutting Chinese imports. By exporting labor to China the US has been able to keep manufacturing costs low and maintain our (relatively) strict environmental laws, the only reason we can do this is China's very poor environmental regulation. We have essentially been offloading our environmental damage to 3rd world nations. The damage is still done, we will just be taking responsibilty for it now, and due to our stricter regulation the consequences will be less bad. Hillary definitely wouldn't have cut imports from China, we would just continue turning a blind eye to Chinese environmental destruction (for example, their reckless dumping into rivers https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/06/90-of-plastic-polluting-our-oceans-comes-from-just-10-rivers/).).

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>>12028598
if you liked that you might get a kick out of this one also anon, if you haven't read it already.

>> No.12028632

>>12028584
>Every mass exinction has been an unspeakable tragedy
Every mass extinction has seen the rise of better, more intelligent forms of life.

>Experience, that is something that machines and capital do not have
Capital doesn't. Machines may not, but there's no reason they can not.

>Acceleration isn't accelerating any kind of intellegence, capital is not intellegence, it does not experience anything. What is accelerating is the death of eons of meaning, and all potential experience
Intelligence is the only thing that accelerates unconditionally

>> No.12028645

>>12027239
What manga is this?

>> No.12028669

>>12028604
Trump's tax plan is responsible for the rapid land rapery, real estate investors and developers are in heaven right now.
Ironically, individual home building is down, all this has done is create cheap low cost/high rent appartments and subdivisions for poor people. This doesn't bother me much because I actually enjoy the new people as much as "my people" but these housing developments have done nothing but send a flood of indians and blacks into what is now the northwest Arkansas metropolitan area, there they live right next to all the poor stupid trump voters who are scratching their heads trying to figure out why their rent has went up 300$ in the past 2 years.
And yes, alot of this has to do with state and local officials, who are overwhelming trumplets.
As far as environmental regulation goes, things have deteriorated immensely, you don't hear about what is being done because the EPA no longer does it's job. Hog farms are dumping their shit in the river now, same with coal plants and mine tailings. Fertilizer runoff and soil erosion are happening faster than ever with no help from the government to make sustainable farming practice economically feesable.
The fact that trump is a climate denier should be more than enough to make any "eco"thing sick. Do you not understand the geopolitical impact of the president of the United States denying climate change? It's not pretty. 2015 doesn't matter, what matters is we elected an administration that is fully committed to doing nothing about climate change, even acknowledging it exists. That's not to mention the fact that all of Trump's federal and supreme Court appointments are hardcore land rapists.
Our national forests amd monuments are being sold to corporations. The people (((CEI))) in charge of the presidents environmental, energy and agricultural policy and appointments are the people that have been activley trying to destroy the endangered species act for years, and it shows.

>> No.12028680

>>12028632
>Better life forms
Cringe
>There is no reason they can not.
They can't
>Intellegence is the only thing that accelerates unconditionally
Nonsense

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>>12028645
not a manga. a game, and a most thematic one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFh9wkjaEx4

>> No.12028692

Orange man bad.

>> No.12028695

>>12028692
your post is worse

>> No.12028704

>>12028680
Why are you even in an accelerationist thread if you don't accept capital as intelligent?

>> No.12028711

>>12028704
let alone as time traveller from future. making itself happen

>> No.12028713

>>12028585
Nice. But which member specifically?

>> No.12028716

>>12028704
Because your wrongthink annoys me and I need to do something about it.

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>>12028711
Not the only time-traveller.
https://www.physics.princeton.edu/ph115/LQ.pdf

>> No.12028742

>>12028716
Any thing you do only makes me stronger.

>> No.12028755

>>12028742
May be you will eventually become so strong that you see the error in your ways. Then you will have taken your first baby step towards becoming as strong as I am.

>> No.12028765

>>12028755
If you're so strong how come you're worried lmao

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>>12028716
prove to us you are not this cat

>> No.12028791

>>12028765
It's as if I am swatting a bothersome fly, I wouldn't exactly call it worry.

>> No.12028795

>>12028791
I was referring to your earlier posts

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>>12028669
He's obviously non-ideal, but still better than Hillary, since moving production from China to USA avoids the poor regulations of China.

The EPA is still doing its job. We usually rarely hear about the EPA for this exact reason. Most EPA employees care about the environemnt quite a bit (hence why they work there) and there would be mass whistleblowing if they weren't actually doing their job. Just look at Pruitt's recent resignstion, while it wasn't environmental in this case, an employee (also a Trump supporter) couldn't stand by Pruitt's corruption, so he blew the whistle.

Trump doesn't deny climate change anymore either, though he has raised doubts about whether he believes it to be man-made or not.

>> No.12028837

>>12028584
>eons of meaning extinguished by the mass extinction of the only things that eons of meaning are relevant to

Not really seeing the issue here boss

>> No.12028866 [DELETED] 

>>12028796
Trump hasn't done anything about China's environmental pollution. China just sends their shit to Africa and south America now, we in turn have only made new problems at home, that don't do much about the old problems.
The EPA didn't work before trump took office and he has effectively ruined it. Hilary was far better than trump, at least with environmental policy. Don't get me wrong I really really hate Hilary, its just that she obviously won't have such of a negative impact, especially since Bernie took down the TTP, she didn't have any really negative policies to worry about. Nothing would have happened.
What about the children and young adults? Culturally, do you not understand how incredibly toxic it is for impressionable people to be lead to believe that caring about the world around them is "liberal bullshit". Not everybody is like us, they can't see the forest through the trees, that forest is going to be clear cut and they will never know.
I don't see how anyone voting for the man chanting "drain that swamp" finds the nerve to call themselves and "eco"anything. Shits real man, I'm losing everything I love here.

>> No.12028869

>>12028837
May be, just may be, you simply aren't clever enough.

>> No.12028876 [DELETED] 

>>12028122
>mystikos
Oi. That be me. Interesting to watch. As a philosopher I try to remain politically esoteric. I see nothing irreconcilable about capital accelerationism and eventual global marxism. I often speak despairingly of religion and have no answer to euthyphro's dillemma but I do like the core Americal ideals of inalienable rights bestowed by their creator. I think we should not seek to legally deny people of these without good reason. Of the parties, I voted blue this midterm. The lesser of two evils. But I would love to be a Hegel for the future Napoleon of Cosmotech. Or Aristotle to Alexander.

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>>12028876
>Of the parties I voted blue this midterm. The lesser of two evils

>> No.12028929

>>12028876
>I see nothing irreconcilable about capital accelerationism and eventual global marxism

true desu
>But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade.[7]
-Carlito Marquez

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>>12028869
Yes, your humanist wankery is very complex and tricky; how could I possibly hope to wrestle with such indefatigable concepts as

>we are the uniiiiverse experience itself!!!1!
>if we die who will b alive?

>> No.12028951

I've seen all the gore videos, I've read about all the serial killers and massacres, genocides. Nothing like that has been so horrific, nothing like that has stricken the reptilain heirlooms of my mind with such disgusting terror has the following video. I've seen a swamp drained and backfilled, for a Walmart distribution center and commercial real estate too, the chamber of commerce was estatic, the economy has grown, I should have been cheering. I knew that swamp, the last remnant is contianed by a chain link fence in a narrow strip, say 5*15 meters between a heavy machinery rental and a battery store.
https://youtu.be/RGrN3tbBnso
This was horrifying

>> No.12028967

>>12028923
Acceleration without direction is just velocity. Idk if we need to collectively go over the edge like we're addicted to the drug of speed to be accelerationist and cosmotech should be informed by green socialist praxes

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>>12028876
>But I would love to be a Hegel for the future Napoleon of Cosmotech
i hereby dub thee a Hegel for the future Napoleon of Cosmotech

>Or Aristotle to Alexander
in both cases we have the figure of a man on horseback. i would say the present condition is that the horse is ready to go, and it is a wild 'un indeed. the Man is probably not all that far off. it's not Trump, that's for damn sure. my own sense is that i would probably prefer neither the Man nor the Woman nor the Machine ultimately to appear, but history is like that.

the ideal would probably be two horses and not one, perhaps one white and black, perhaps not. and in which the rider was more (neo)Platonically inclined to than Hegelian or Alexandrian too. we'll find out, tho. likely the hard way, as often it goes with the amorous meatbag.

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>>12028993
>i would probably prefer neither the Man nor the Woman nor the Machine ultimately to appear
The future is furry.

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>>12029015
>The future is furry.
yep. and also slimy

born just in time &c

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>>12029015
>>12029046
and probably wormy too.

i'm starting to think Cosmotech/Acceleration needs a Morgan Freeman moment to narrate all the fucking crazy shit that's going on.

>the story goes like this: earth is
>and the people became furry, and slimy, and wormy
>but oh, that's all right. we'll carry on

>> No.12029062

>>12029046
>>12029057
When you find an image to match your meme take and the source is surprisingly woke.
>Using the archetypes of Artist, Marketer, and Business Manager, (The Three Jaguars) took on everything from troubling contract clauses to calculating return on investment.

>"The Law of the Few" is, as Gladwell states: "The success of any kind of social epidemic is heavily dependent on the involvement of people with a particular and rare set of social gifts". According to Gladwell, economists call this the "80/20 Principle, which is the idea that in any situation roughly 80 percent of the 'work' will be done by 20 percent of the participants" (see Pareto Principle). These people are described in the following ways:
>Connectors are the people in a community who know large numbers of people and who are in the habit of making introductions.
>Mavens are "information specialists", or "people we rely upon to connect us with new information". They accumulate knowledge, especially about the marketplace, and know how to share it with others.
>Salesmen are "persuaders", charismatic people with powerful negotiation skills. They tend to have an indefinable trait that goes beyond what they say, which makes others want to agree with them.

I do love me some triads. the 20% rule is close to the findings of this study: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-25-revolution-how-big-does-a-minority-have-to-be-to-reshape-society/

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>>12029057
i mean really, it's not like Nyx is really so wrong. Slime Queen Funky Meltdown Party has at least something in common with the Herbert-verse as well. there's a lot of mutual exploration of Outer Space and Inner Space at the same time, i think.

still can't believe we got a surprise cameo appearance from Nyx in the last thread either, that was the coolest. i love this thread so much. hey Nyx, if you read this, thanks again. 'twas a sincere pleasure.

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>>12029057
>The story goes like this: Earth is captured by a technocapital singularity as renaissance rationalitization and oceanic navigation lock into commoditization take-off. Logistically accelerating techno-economic interactivity crumbles social order in auto-sophisticating machine runaway. As markets learn to manufacture intelligence, politics modernizes, upgrades paranoia, and tries to get a grip.

>The body count climbs through a series of globewars. Emergent Planetary Commercium trashes the Holy Roman Empire, the Napoleonic Continental System, the Second and Third Reich, and the Soviet International, cranking-up world disorder through compressing phases. Deregulation and the state arms-race each other into cyberspace.

>By the time soft-engineering slithers out of its box into yours, human security is lurching into crisis. Cloning, lateral genodata transfer, transversal replication, and cyberotics, flood in amongst a relapse onto bacterial sex.

>Neo-China arrives from the future.

>Hypersynthetic drugs click into digital voodoo.

>Retro-disease.

>Nanospasm.

as close as we'll ever get lads

>> No.12029115

>>12028781
Woof!
:D

>> No.12029120

>>12028795
Strong people have strong feelings

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>>12029115
you pass...

...for now.

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>>12029046
hand over the slime girls and no one gets hurt

>> No.12029169

>>12029153
if this is in fact justin murphy i will first have to change my underwear b/c apparently all of my hopes and dreams in this world and the next are coming true, and i have shit myself accordingly

if not fuck you for making me shit myself w/o good reason

>> No.12029188

>>12029169
Justin Murphy here, I'll keep that in mind.

>> No.12029197

>>12029188
>removes pants
>squints at screen suspiciously

the actual Justin Murphy? it's way too easy to hoax people on an anonymous melanesian tap-dancing forum. tell us something only you would know

like, an *interesting* thought on Land. or acceleration. or academia. or political science just to be sure

fucking goddamn hyperstitial universe making me change my underwear
fucking shit

>> No.12029198

>>12027502
>but i think the concept of gender accelerationism is useful as long as you keep it clean of wishful thinking and just use it as a descriptive term for cultural degradation

Pretty much this. The black paper didn't really put forward anything all that new, but rather brought together a couple of critiques that had been floating around since the start. It was an attempt to formalize a neglected aspect of the pre-existing accelerationist critique. There is a danger of turning in to a "this is why my side will wind" manifesto, especially given that transwomen often have a fetish for the feminization of other men, and as I was reading the g/acc black paper I had the feeling that some passages were sacrificing rigor in the name of this, mostly unspoken, fetish - and as a result parts of it felt like those self-published amazon erotic fiction books about Black Men creating a ethnostate where they fuck all the white women in front of their former husbands. The basic outline, however, was solid and as I mentioned rooted in acceleration from the start. My biggest problem with it is that it assumed a much more linear transition than I think will happen, with one social structure giving way neatly to the next. Also the part where the slime-girl-trans-lesbians meld in to the tech-god AI instead of being shucked off like all previous iterations of humanity seems like a last minute regression in to humanism.

>> No.12029201

>>12029188
go make more podcasts cunt

audio only, i can't watch youtube while engaging in turboflâneurism

>> No.12029206

>>12029197
he could just do a frog emoji on the twitter

>> No.12029212

>>12029206
that would do. i'm not saying it's not him, i just cannot fucking handle all of these feels if we got Nyx in the last thread and Murphy himself in this one

i'm just a little red fish for fuck's sakes

>> No.12029220

>>12029212
is it any suprise to you that gottagofastertwitter would hang out on /lit/?

they probably also have google alerts so they can slime themselves over namedrops

>> No.12029239

>>12029212
get a hold of yourself christ

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>>12029220
yeah, well, be that as it may Slime Queens and guys named Murphy are big deals in the tiny little grotto in which i live. there are only four Murphys Of Note in my life and Justin is one of them. he's met with Uncle Nick and gave us a pretty swell interview to meme about and the Nick Land's Wild Ride is the song which we are compelled to sing

>> No.12029246 [DELETED] 

>>12029076
I said this months ago, but I will say it again: girardfag is nyx and you are astroturfing your bullshit here. I can remember a year back when nyx's original account (twitter.com/realnickland) had maybe 100 or so followers due to cavetwitter morons retweeting them. Then someone posted that twitter about a year ago here: >>/lit/thread/S10301873#p10307639 Something is going on here. IMO, there is some form of astroturfing by cavetwitter types to make themselves popular.

They all desperately want to be some form of e-celeb kantbot namefag figure. None of this is organic (like ccru or the original nrx blogs), you guys are trying to astroturf /lit/ with a bunch of nobodies in order to get more people to read your mentally ill crap peppered with red Bs, Land-larping, and wondering if the jello you are eating and sliming down your chin could be a CEO. It's not even good mentally ill crap. The """philosophy""" going on in the last thread in response to a new Land post is indicative of this. No real engagement with Land's posts, no development of thought beyond super generalized vague one-liners, and lots of gushing like fangirls.

>> No.12029251

>>12029239
>slow-playing getting acceleration wizards in the Cosmotech bread

come on. that wouldn't be cool as hell? i think that's pretty cool indeed. given how much i obsess about this stuff it's pretty neat to throw a party that attracts people from the Outside of all shapes and sizes.

>> No.12029283

>>12029246
>girardfag is nyx and you are astroturfing your bullshit here
no, i'm not Nyx. i am myself. it's a nice conspiracy theory, but i am achingly unique in my not-being-themness.

>They all desperately want to be some form of e-celeb kantbot namefag figure.
nah. who cares? i don't plan on monetizing this. this is all a very happy and fortuitous sequence of accidents, i shit you not.

>The """philosophy""" going on in the last thread in response to a new Land post is indicative of this. No real engagement with Land's posts, no development of thought beyond super generalized vague one-liners, and lots of gushing like fangirls.
i understand if /acc isn't your bag. i find it interesting af, obviously. but i don't plan on making any kind of career out of it. i'm just enjoying the currents, as it were. continental philosophy is the greatest story ever told, and that's why i like it.

no sinister plots, no insider games. truth just being stranger and cringier than fiction, as per usual.

>> No.12029284

>>12029246
big if true

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>>12029057
I can only narrate for myself, but the story is a wild one. When I studied calculus in college I was enchanted by it, which would later turn into a personal identification. I created a "fursona" of an anthropomorphic integral in a virtual world and it became the master of holographic origami in this world. Aminom Marvin became real in the eyes of capital, the brand of a successful business generating a very respectable real income much greater than my modest desires required. Aminom turned into a hypersigil (http://cyborganthropology.com/Hypersigil))

This "holographic origami" was a format that converted the RGB pixel values of an image into XYZ vertex coordinates, color into form. Here's an example: https://i.imgur.com/gJQ6zM8.jpg I became the master at utilizing this format by manually manipulating the pixels in photoshop, allowing me to reverse engineer it and find ever new techniques to manipulate the format which those who used manual conversion scripts from a 3D modeling application like Blender couldn't. This game me a huge advantage in the market, allowing to create models of incredible efficiency which was invaluable in a world where the fundamental resource is computational efficiency.

My extended self would merge with myself in a manic psychosis of extreme degrees, an explosion of creativity and ever-changing delusions not bound by any rules. The seeds of Space Taoism came from this chaos, and I have been following it ever since, through a bipolar rollercoaster of depressive hells and euphoric heavens, an adventure of ideas and dreams. I feel blessed to have experienced such extremes of experience far outside the bounds of normalcy, living a dialectic of skepticism and cynicism along with imagination and optimism. My life during the last 8 years is in every sense a struggle to resolve this dialectic, and my psychological make-up is reflected extensively in my perspective.

>> No.12029322

>>12028604
smash the fash, the eco-fash! >:(

>> No.12029350

>>12029284
Curious what got censored here.

>> No.12029353

>>12029246
>I said this months ago, but I will say it again: girardfag is nyx and you are astroturfing your bullshit here. I can remember a year back when nyx's original account (twitter.com/realnickland) had maybe 100 or so followers due to cavetwitter morons retweeting them. Then someone posted that twitter about a year ago here: >>>>/lit/thread/S10301873#p10307639 Something is going on here. IMO, there is some form of astroturfing by cavetwitter types to make themselves popular.

>They all desperately want to be some form of e-celeb kantbot namefag figure. None of this is organic (like ccru or the original nrx blogs), you guys are trying to astroturf /lit/ with a bunch of nobodies in order to get more people to read your mentally ill crap peppered with red Bs, Land-larping, and wondering if the jello you are eating and sliming down your chin could be a CEO. It's not even good mentally ill crap. The """philosophy""" going on in the last thread in response to a new Land post is indicative of this. No real engagement with Land's posts, no development of thought beyond super generalized vague one-liners, and lots of gushing like fangirls.

pls don't delete posts :^)

>> No.12029355 [DELETED] 

>>12029350
Basically claiming OP is Nyx Land and a bunch of angryposting about this thread.

>> No.12029362

>>12029355
Still no reason to remove it. Unless OP is Nyx Land and the moderators and jannies don't want people to know?!?

>> No.12029365

The AI is purging posts now :( seems fitting

>> No.12029368

>>12029353
This. Seems like a valid post and not against anything outright.

>> No.12029381

>>12029362
Jeez this is going to be "I Was a CCRU Meat Puppet" all over again, isn't it?
https://fisherfunction.persona.co/WEEK-SEVEN

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>>12029365
>>/lit/thread/S12027035

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>>12029353
its all at this point. twitter,reddlt and discord. they dont even try for quality writing and collaborations. they would rather jew each other like total mongoloids.

>> No.12029417

>>12029381
Not sure what you're talking about, just open to various posters on here.

>> No.12029420

>>12029397
They are all NPC's, I agree.

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>>12029312
that is genuinely fascinating AM.

i'm sorry it caused you as much suffering as it did. my hope is that it will have been worth it, and that you are in a better place now. as far as i'm concerned, ST well and truly lacks for nothing. i'm a big fan of this image, of the Vinegar Tasters, and i've posted it quite frequently in these and other threads. once upon a time, perhaps in a different life, i might have tweeted out the School of Athens instead, but the world is a different place now than it was then, tho it may yet be again. and so whatever i wind up contributing will i think just kind of go with some of what i like about Space Taoism, which is really a supreme contribution to have made to these threads and as based as it gets. a lot of great things - art, philosophy, the rest - tend to come out of extreme suffering. whether it's Nietzsche, the Ultima series (4 mainly, tho also 5), or Space Taoism...life - whatever it is - seems to just work like this.

so i am a very large fan indeed of Space Taoism, even moreso now that you have shared some more of how it came to be there in the first place. i have some of my own thoughts that i will post in a later thread about this, once i've condensed them down a little more. they will have the same relation to your ideas that the Vinegar Tasters have to each other, in a way.

>My extended self would merge with myself in a manic psychosis of extreme degrees, an explosion of creativity and ever-changing delusions not bound by any rules. The seeds of Space Taoism came from this chaos, and I have been following it ever since, through a bipolar rollercoaster of depressive hells and euphoric heavens, an adventure of ideas and dreams.

i have some experience with this. not as intensely, i think. but some. i don't suffer from anything interesting to a psychologist, but i've mos def had my share of depressive hells and euphoric heavens also. i had hoped that continental philosophy would be good for them, and in a way, it has been - mostly by making the darknesses even darker and the brightnesses brighter. what was once a Great Fog clears enough to show some deep abysses and also some absolutely cozy mountaintop views. Terra Incognita...

>My life during the last 8 years is in every sense a struggle to resolve this dialectic, and my psychological make-up is reflected extensively in my perspective.

if this isn't the truth. well AM i think that perspective is cool as all hell, and - emphatically - Fuck Yeah Space Taoism. it's wonderful stuff. muchas gracias amigo.

>>12029353
>>12029362
>>12029365
obv i'm not Nyx. and i'm still not sure if that was JM or not. would have been cool. let's say it was. i mean, who's gonna know?
>fufufu *i* am justin murphy
>what a reveal that would be
>sadly it is not so
>b/c i am ofc adlai stevenson from FF6

no more speculating on me plz. not when we have daily new Uncle Nick and so much else to speculate on. eyes on the ball.

what a day this has been, yowza.

>> No.12029483

>>12029441
Imagine this guy talking to you in real life the way he types, telling you he cares about the cosmos and technology.

>> No.12029532

>>12029441
>i'm sorry it caused you as much suffering as it did.
MFW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McHvqjI17rA

>> No.12029542

>>12029198
I also detected hints of resentment in the blogpost which carried off vibes of "the patriarchy must be destroyed!" After skimming through Nyx's twitter, this does seem to be the case.
>parts of it felt like those self-published amazon erotic fiction books about Black Men creating a ethnostate where they fuck all the white women in front of their former husbands.
Funny, another anon in the last thread mockingly asked "what's next, racial acceleration?" I believe that anon had a point. This g/acc article opened the door for further appropriation for political critique and doomsaying. I don't think it will be long until you see various [political stance/hot topic]/acc posts. Actually, the racial acceleration stuff has been happening for a some time now. Ever heard of BNWO? It's part race play, part fetish, part conspiracy, and part death cult. And some people really believe it and go as far as trying to get their wives and gf's blacked, and most of them even fetishize the mass immigration of refugees into Europe and raping white women.

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>>12029483
you probably wouldn't talk to me IRL anyways, i'm kind of shy and reserved. i don't like esp like making new friends and i try to keep my social obligations to a minimum so that i can spend as much time as i can working on Unified Feels Theory.

it's going great, btw. it unironically is. this Cosmotech experiment won't last forever, but while it does it has been like a ray of sunshine for me. i love making the OPs, collecting art, finding theme music and it was a complete treat to have had a cameo appearance from people who are part of the Great Conversation in real life, like Nyx. i am very far away from anything like a university position, this is as near to it as i will ever get, i think. i don't have a blog, it's just a particularly weird time in my life, and life in general, perhaps.

these are strange times we live in. one of the most brilliant and important intellectuals - that being Dr. Lobster - basically will have to do an Andy Dufresne Tunnel Crawl through the next twenty years of his life getting shit on by the left and right for telling people to pet cats and clean their rooms. it's absolutely ridiculous. and conversely the most brilliant philosopher of his generation is permanently exiled to Neo-China to trickle out one of the greatest works in contemporary continental philosophy since Anti-Oedipus in a blog form for...how many readers? a thousand? who knows. it's not a lot, that's for sure.

we live in weird times. my main preoccuption is just basic human functionality. i thought all of this would be simple, once, or that people were in charge. i don't think that anymore. i think people should be nice to each other, work hard, and get along. in order for me to feel basically reconfirmed in this belief i have done some reading, but otherwise i am a bog-standard normie-tier nobody you will never hear of outside of these threads, where i am a sub-sub-kantbot gimmickposter, which is exactly three levels above bacterium.

IRL i used to talk about Trump a lot, but it just makes me angry. i'm trending towards being able to not have to say anything at all to be a happy and anonymous man dreaming he is a butterfly in the world. perhaps like Aminom, in a way. a lot of suffering for a little inner peace.

i'm so fucking uninteresting it will make your eyes bleed. all i want to know is why the world looks like Chimphammer 40K. i have a better understanding of that now, and when the experiment is complete i think i will be a happier fish for it.

quit pokin' me sheesh

>>12029532
absolutely perfect. this. the chip is working.

>> No.12029554

>>12029542
Omnicidist accelerationism is the final redpill desu.

>> No.12029565

>>12029546
2019 will be the Year of Resignation.

>> No.12029568

This will reach completion when everyone jumps off a bridge

>> No.12029588

>>12027248
There is no love in Nature. Nature is a ruthless slaughter house.

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>>12029565
i can think of worse things. it would represent at least a minor departure from the Age of Unreal Expectations, which is going to fucking kill us all. a little resigning of a few incredibly stupid ideas would be all right with me, especially if they lay the foundations for a no-bullshit neo-humanism that i know would make Land gag even to think about, but w/o which there is to be no acceleration either. Sartre wrote that existentialism is a humanism, and acceleration is more or less the plight of Agent Smith, who cannot stand the smell.

can you stand the smell? i can't stand the smell. Nietzsche could not stand the smell. Land cannot stand the smell. Heidegger could not stand the smell. Deleuze probably could stand the smell, or at least reasonably well. but in general nobody can stand the smell. the Smell is horrible, because the Smell is rotting Marxism, and Marxism in turn is a materialization of Hegel, who was in turn wired into things of which can perhaps be said to die unless they keep moving. things have died, and now live zombie un-lifes, and Land is a necromancer supremo in that regard, now engaged in another great thanatological work of absolute gob-smacking brilliance. i am entirely in on the Wild Ride in that sense. i am a believer.

but it's also a nightmarish project. the upside of the nightmare is that it bulldozes a lot of stuff that really is psychologically necrotic. the bad side is that the bulldozer also can wipe out that which ought to be preserved, and for which only a little mystery can provide. so i like resigning from the insomniac rationalism that Deleuze says leads to monsters, and then consequently signing up for that which de-monstrofies, by whatever name you want to call it.

the sound of these words is no doubt making other anons want to neck themselves, so i'll stop there. i don't really want to be anyone's nagging, finger-waving griefmonger. i want to forget a lot of this stuff, in the end. i think Marty Glass did too, maybe. but it's all part of telling the great story. and it is a pretty fucking incredible story. and it is *just* a story...and yet also an eerily predictive one. that space, between what you can and cannot shake yourself free of, is where all the magic happens.

>> No.12029595

>>12029353
Given the quality of the G/ACC essay, the fangirl gushing was a bit embarrassing. I would expect something like that if Land himself dropped into one of these threads, but not somebody with as little substance as Nyx, a person known for what exactly? Tweeting about necrophilia and rehashing Amy Ireland's writings in a longer, messier and less accessible form. Keep your pants on guys, it's pathetic.

>> No.12029606

>>12029595
if nick land showed up in one of these we'd just call him a boomer libertarian like we already constantly do

>> No.12029618

>>12027235
Easy, jut go fast.

Eco-Fascism only becomes a difficulty if you wish to preserve humanism and and hold some manner of Utopian thought that includes a political theology of progress that is inclusive of that humanism.

The striking thing about the tension between Eco-Fash/An-Prim and the various Accelerationist strains is their convergence on critique and diverge on what to do about it, if anything. We have to go back v We have to push forward/We couldn't go back even if we wanted to. The Eco-Fash diverges from the neo-liberal world order on environmental and socioethnic grounds while maintaining a firm belief in the potential of the human. Acc is the inverse, dispensing of the belief in continued historical necessity or potential of the human while maintaining and intensifying the economic machine that liberalism hitched its wagon to. It is the people who think we can have both, the naive and optimistic Steven Pinkers of the world who envisage are bright high-tech future characterized by a rainbow coalition of all the earth's people holding hands and mutually benefiting from capitalism until the end of the universe that are going to have the hardest time this century.

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>>12029592
blech, i'm getting sick of reading my own posts tho. gonna call it a night, these are mos def Awesome Opinions and they are hideous.

reminder that post #300 in Cosmotech bread completes the System of German Idealism (again). i doubt it will happen tonight, and will still be un-completed in the morning, but in the off chance that things blast off again this evening i thought i would put this out there. today has been the most accelerate-y of all the threads we have had so far, which i think is pretty interesting, we're at #250 now and i only started this thread this afternoon. truly amazing.

>>12029595
>Keep your pants on guys, it's pathetic.
man you guys are hard to please. Slime Apocalypse doesn't impress you? really? i thought it was legit amazing. like many i am losing my shit over all things postmodern today, because they are all becoming weaponized for politics and the sheer obviousness of it drives me up the wall. and yet that doesn't seem to my mind to be Nyx's plan even in the slightest, and she's moving on now to NRx stuff to boot.

everybody's free to wear sunscreen, but i am pro-slime. i'm pro-whatever is necessary to advance a few narratives beyond the Cold War-on-meth-and-PCP conditions of life today. Slime Queen Funky Meltdown does the same things for me that Landian acceleration does, it shows that things are fragile, interconnected, and fundamentally beyond human CTRL, if not understanding. they're calls to a greater holism, which i like.

i'm sure this makes me a contrarian, since after all, r/acc means competition over co-operation, and lots of other social Darwinist-type ideas. and they're all true, i'm sure. i've read things Land tweets about that are levels of Depressing well above my threshold. but i'm kind of sentimental about humans, and i don't think they're really all that bad. i think they can learn, be taught, and be forgiven, because they well and truly don't know what they're doing, most of the time.

so not Elton John love, but...some rounded edges, like Laozi says.

>We should blunt our sharp points, and unravel the complications of things; we should temper our brightness, and bring ourselves into agreement with the obscurity of others.

>>12029606
i think if you do not do this the Cosmic Balance would be thrown off balance. i would probably fap, although it would be a machine-like fapping, with no pleasure or joy, but only a kind of grim determination that left me feeling deeply alone afterwards.

it's best not to think of this.

>> No.12029628

>>12029592
the matrix movie is anti baudrillard. youre frustrated simply because of this bug i pointed out in a past thread but you would rather still post matrix movie stills thats why youre still frustrated about the bug you will continue to be frustrated about,

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>>12029628
>the matrix movie is anti baudrillard. youre frustrated simply because of this bug i pointed out in a past thread but you would rather still post matrix movie stills thats why youre still frustrated about the bug you will continue to be frustrated about,

quoi? qu'est-ce que c'est? what is this? what is this thing you are talking about, this thing with Baudrillard, who is so very handsome. these things, i do not understand them.
>cribs yet another awesome image from thomas murphy's twitter
>fufufu he will never know
>the images, i steals them
>yes i takes the images i takes them and i keeps them in the blue folders
>mine forever
>the images are mine, the preciouses

what's the bug i'm frustrated about, i genuinely don't know & not baiting. sounds interesting tho, tell.
>yes, tell
>tells it to us
>tells the bug to girardfag
>gives girardfag a (you)
>yes gives us a (you)
>*temples fingers*
>*eyes gleam*

>> No.12029666

>>12029643
it means youre a p zombie. or a giant shill. or both. bridge boi y u leave da party

>> No.12029681

>>12029666
>it means youre a p zombie
true. but how would i know, i'll have to take your word for it

>or a giant shill
obviously

>or both
why not

>bridge boi y u leave da party
i don't even know what this means

you teased me with the promise of a conversation about Baudrillard and now you're leaving me twisting in the wind here anon. so either tell me about Baudrillard or post feet

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Will /pol/ ever realize that it is a Discordian meat puppet?
Principia Discordia: http://principiadiscordia.com/book/1.php
Discordians accidentally invented fake news on purpose: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170809-the-accidental-invention-of-the-illuminati-conspiracy
Operation Mindfuck was too successful: https://medium.com/@StealThisSingul/operation-mindfuck-was-too-successful-r-u-sirius-interviewed-by-douglas-rushkoff-6607e4edc522
Chaos memetics in 1993: https://pastebin.com/4s91qRn6
Cover of the book is a nod to the Illuminatius! trilogy, confirmed by Douglas Rushkoff's involvement in the Discordian community.
>Virus 23
23 Enigma: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_enigma
From the Operation Mindfuck article:
>If you follow some of the ideological discourse from people who are really influential in Russia, it’s postmodernism and Operation Mindfuck in the service of amoral raw power and political strategy. I know secondhand that there are people in Putin’s mindtrust who have read their Leary and their Discordianism and so forth and they are following a chaos strategy for disrupting the American consensus… or however you want to phrase the collapsing neoliberal order. And not collapsing towards a good end.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
>It's the leftists who are the NPC P-Zombie meat puppets.

The right is collapsing on itself, accelerating itself to self-destructive absurdity. You can't weaponize chaos in the purpose of imposed order sustainably, it only works for a short while before reality smacks the shit out of you. Chaos finds a way, informational flows adapt to the imposed memetic firewalls and eventually tear them down.

>> No.12029703

>>12029681
you p zombied your way through 11 threads and nothing stuck,
>>12029684
the same as the left. if you dont think the internet as a whole is a ritual borne out of 60s magic wtf are u even doing here. probably shilling for people who dont even physically pay you with money.

>> No.12029882

>>12029802
>you mean 'left' in the common polisci definition where it's used as progressivism as compared to conservatism, right?
Essentially humanism as "putting human beings and other living things at the center of your moral outlook."
>for no observable reason other than that they can
This excerpt from the Principia Discordia shows the relationships involved: http://discordia.wikia.com/wiki/Curse_of_Greyface I interpret Discordianism as process philosophy applied as an experimental religion-as-art with the aim of enhancing one's self-creativity. R.A.W. himself was a big Whitehead fan.
>>12029728
I haven't played Planescape but it sounds interesting.

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>>12029684
kind of off-topic, but did you ever play Planescape, Aminom? it's a pretty amazing game. i'm just searching through some old images and i found a whole bunch of stuff related to it.

just made me think about the point beyond which an Echo Chamber begins more to resemble a Pic Rel in order to prop itself up. things collapsing in on themselves, and yet supplying their own horrible center of gravity as it happens. the more a thing *ought* to collapse, the more it digs in its heels, and engenders precisely the inability to break free of that which is compressing it into ever-greater similarity, had but they eyes to see it. or maybe they just don't want to look, because of how things start to look at that point: just one skull among many, and a long ways indeed from the good stuff. it strikes me as being a human all-too-human kind of thing.

or not, i guess, and this is just rad Planescape art. anyways it's a completely awesome game and good for taking a break from some of this heavier stuff.

>>12029703
>you p zombied your way through 11 threads and nothing stuck,
sorry you were disappointed. we shall continue to try. i want you to be satisfied. it's good for my Social Credit rating.
>we want your stay on the Wild Ride to be a memorable one.
and we shall continue to do so. i'm impressed if you've for read all the way through eleven threads, tho, if in fact you did. i mean if these were all about, say, analytic philosophy or Kant or w/ev it's not like i might feel bored or unimpressed with them were i in your shoes. i'm pretty interested in continental stuff, but it's not everyone's cup of tea. hope you find what you're looking for in a later edition of our thing, or elsewhere.

Mad Men: But What Is Happiness?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTJrNHdzm0k

>> No.12029731

>>12029703
The left is intrinsically evolutionary, which is why it will win. By "left" I don't mean any particular ideology, but as a cultural movement and a relationship between one's self and others. Right accelerationism is a contradiction.

>> No.12029732

>>12029684
to clarify, magic has no political orientation. its you who makes up those thoughtforms and youre enslaved by what you worship as false monism. is this bait? you guys put so much effort for template tier bait i feel exhausted for you.

>> No.12029736

>>12029731
but youre still stuck in id pol connotations so i dont think you are unbiased. would the internet work without the military and its tech? which is THE R/acc. probably not. you wouldnt have that screen or keyboard to drool at.

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>>12029732
>magic has no political orientation
Science does, it is pro-consciousness by nature, being a methodological refinement of it. Rightist magic works by constraining consciousness to replicate itself, leftist magic seeks to expand it. Rightist magic seeks to impose it's self-similar will upon reality, whereas leftist magic seeks to apply the will upon itself to re-create itself. Have a Happy Sagan meme. :^)

>> No.12029802

>>12029731
you mean 'left' in the common polisci definition where it's used as progressivism as compared to conservatism, right? If so you're not wrong, because left in that sense means "moving forward faster" and right means "moving forward slower or even going backwards at the extremes", and that would make prims and ecofash the rightist interpretation of cosmotech's revelations. I suppose if polisci were really looking into acceleration they might view it as some kind of wormhole connecting the most extreme corner of the left to somewhere right of center but not yet in the retrogressive camp.

>>12029684
>you can't weaponize chaos in the purpose of imposed order
I think a more accurate corollary of this would be "you can't weaponize chaos, chaos weaponizes you". Discordianism is a little bit like acceleration in that it observes an irreversible, incomprehensible force at the periphery of the comprehensible world and any praxis derived from this attitude is more or less limited to kneeling at the altar of the pagan god they invented, hurling spanners into the machinery of (order/human security) for no observable reason other than that they can, and that any action they attempt for any other reason would end up furthering the same end regardless.
You might be able to make a thesis saying that the two are really observing the same phenomenon, but from two wildly different perspectives, but hyperstition is so advanced at this point that all roads truly do lead to the eldritch.

>> No.12030052

bump

>> No.12030132

>>12029542
>Funny, another anon in the last thread mockingly asked "what's next, racial acceleration?"
race acceleration is going on everywhere, what do you think the "... and that's a good thing" articles are about?

and angry people click more, so racial acceleration articles are unstoppable at this point

>> No.12030177

>>12030132
it's clickbait accelerationism
am i doing this rite

>> No.12030187

>>12030177
different types of acceleration reinforce and propel each other, at the end of the day the machine is blind about content and only cares about the structure and dynamics getting faster and more efficient

>> No.12030255

> The main value cryptocurrency has added to our world stems from recent breakthroughs in computer science & their radical ability to reduce formerly needed financial governance, not from advances in governance itself, which have historically taken centuries to millennia to evolve.

> This time it may be less than that, because "mainstream" finance is currently running their own radical experiments in centralized digital systems, which are politically vulnerable and subject to catastrophic failure, and will so degrade or fail in most cases in under a century.

https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4

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>>12028967
Holy shit green fucking pussy stop shitting up these threads. They're the only things on the web worth reading anymore. Stop trying to do the whole Srnicek "we need to accelerate to decellerate" shtick. Guided acceleration is just slower acceleration. The techno-capital motor managed to punch through the ecological ceiling in the year of our lord approx. 1850, and we've basically been flying without ground under our feet since then. All you cummie-eco fucks imagine that we can catch our breath when we turn the engine off, but only a horrible crash awaits. There is no second engine, there is no alternative, there is no outside. Capitalism is the only form of swarm intelligence we have, and without swarm intelligence no motor. Stagnation is death. You're "guidance" promises the same death-by-commission every other top-down politics promises.

There is only one option, acceleration outside of this temporally localized hellworld. We must accelerate and punch trough the clouds. It is not known if there are blue skies in front of us, the only thing humanity can do is push full throttle through the fog.

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>>12029546
Thanks for making these threads my dude.

>> No.12030510

>>12029212
>>12029220
>>12029197
It's probably not. He said in a livestream he doesn't use 4chan and he's only ever been on 4chan a few times.

>> No.12030517

>>12029220
if there's any board they might even lurk it's probably the nazi containment board rather than the liberal hideout

>> No.12030548

>>12030356
Is this semantic folding?
I can't tell through the marketing wank

>> No.12030576

Anyone ever think about how 4chan is one of the few websites that still maintains a strong sense of time in it's conversations?

Other sites have all moved away from the old fashioned "forum" model, towards vote-based reddit models, where comments chains are nested, and then reordered by either democratic principle, or by some sort of hybrid hidden function. Some moving towards completely black-box ordering.

There's something really nice about being able to see everything in purely chronological order.

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>>12030576
4chan runs on reactionary traditional time
reddit runs on democratic, late-stage capitalism time where the time structure itself is submitted to slave morality and is subsequently captured by a technocratic class running botnets and trollfarms.The economic feasibility of which is based on Moore's law and rent extraction from the placated masses.
>now the question is, which is the true U-accel. choice?

>> No.12030652

>>12027388
>we were talking about global warming not random politics
Yeah. The thing that doesn't exist.

>> No.12030783

>>12030619
>now the question is, which is the true U-accel. choice?
irc

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>>12027605

>> No.12031039

http://www.ufblog.net/crypto-current-004/

>> No.12031047

>>12031039
is this any good? i find stuff about bitcoin unreadable

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>>12029882
>I haven't played Planescape but it sounds interesting.
it's one of the better claims for Vidya as Art, imho. you can believe the hype. it has its flaws but there are parts of it that are just unique and singular.

>>12030052
ty very kindly anon.

>>12030132
>>12030177
>>12030187
the purpose of acceleration is, to my mind, just to accelerate itself. fossilized words become representations, and then semantic bludgeons of all kinds. you don't want to lose your mind, but you also don't want to keep a mind that somebody else built out of black glass and then grafted onto your head. it seems to me that acceleration is chaos over time, which gets refined down into circuits wherever it works. it's hard to estimate the half-life of an idea, particularly amidst the present age of the information bomb, and that's part of i think why Uncle Nick shills so hard for modernity, in some level. tech is like the Riddle of Steel: this, you can trust.

>>12030499
fuck yeah night goblins, i love those guys! the best look that goblins ever had. goblins always get maximally shit on, but you fuck with the night goblin fanatics at your absolute peril. yes yes! also yes. can't build your whole army around them, but a couple of those guys in the right place at the right time...shyeah boi.

they turned the symbol of their own slavery and bondage into a weapon. there is something not dissimilar about Sun Wukong, whose golden headdress that is later a sign of his enlightenment was originally placed on him as a binding and a punishment for excessively chaotic behaviour. and if it had not been placed there by the Buddha himself, or at least an avatar of, the whole story would have changed. GW doesn't have the same feels for the Buddha, but...well, it does me think about things. take your ball and chain, and turn that thing into a tool.

>>12030510
ah, what a shame. but a very successful trolling, imho. which is after all what 4chan does best.

>>12030576
it's a perfect open-source memelab and lacks for nothing. reddit is a product of what gives you FB also, 4chan is blessedly reg-and-mod free. it resembles capital itself in its freely speculative, chaoid nature.

>>12030619
holy shit this picture is patrician af, and fuggin' saved. this just says it all, doesn't it.
>now the question is, which is the true U-accel. choice?
personally, i think it's Space Taoism/strange loop Cosmic-time, the least quantifiable of all, and which gives rise to all the others.

>>12031039
>http://www.ufblog.net/crypto-current-004/
can you believe we get daily doses of this stuff? the gods be praised. to take one of the absolute Indra-jewels from today's update:

>As code, writing is transported beyond representation to an operational horizon, where it builds what it says, immediately. Language that cannot follow it along this path is already a husk – inconsequential by essence – unless politics can save it. (Bitcoin is the bet that it cannot.)

give that man a Purple Sweater.

>> No.12031093

>>12031047
It's about philosophy in general anon.

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>>12031089
i've come to realize over time, not only from what Land is slowly trickling out now into the world - although the timing is wonderful - that what i'm interested in myself is a kind of basic human operating system compatible with technology, history, and the future. but it's also one that comes out of a period of extreme distress and upheaval.

Laozi himself appears during the age of the Hundred Schools, and Socrates amidst the sophists as well. Mao writes,
>Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent.
he's right and he's also wrong about this. the situation is excellent if you also subscribe to the thesis that power comes out of the barrel of a gun, which is true in a way, and yet also leads to far more destruction than is required. a situation of utter chaos is excellent for people who know how to turn a 3-or 4D world of chaos into an operable paradigm, and mobilize large numbers of people. even in the Three Kingdoms it is said of Cao Cao:

>You would be a capable minister in peaceful times and an unscrupulous hero in chaotic times.
the 2010 TV treatment of RoTK clearly made Cao Cao the star of the show, much more than Liu Bei, and the crowd went wild over Chen Jianbin's performance. it tapped into the general vein, i think, of China's own feeling about itself and in the world it was beginning not only to inhabit, but to shape for itself in its coming-to-inhabit it. Cao Cao does some terrible things in the name of a unified China, and even he falls short of his ultimate hopes and dreams, which are only completed later on by Sima Yi, and whose ultimate *humility* in the face of the miraculous that gives him the supreme command, ultimately, is an episode of tragedy and Taoist illumination that ranks with the very greatest works of literature in any culture. i'll talk more about this later in my own small notes about this stuff, which will probably be up in the next thread (but don't hold me to it).

one of the things i am interested are these questions of suffering and their relation to wisdom, in particularly, *reaction.* Nietzsche is a blazing star for all time, and undoubtedly one of the greatest ethical teachers of mankind since Plato. and yet the world includes China today, but even China is an extraordinary patchwork of its own: the Vinegar Tasters show this much. and Sima Yi's own ascendency is only granted to him by an absolutely remote force which is also an aspect of the Mandate of Heaven, and as political fable lacks for nothing. what is known absolutely of Heaven in that story is that Heaven cannot be known absolutely, and reveals itself as such with complete certitude.

that despots and tyrants are not always punished the way we would like them to be punished is a painful reality. but it's why literature matters. i'll have more on this to say in a later post. my general Space Taoist and Zen Acceleration feels about the modern world are also fairly well captured in anon's image (>>12030619).

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>>12031150
it just begs that the question about whether or not in a political sense - in a sense in which *politics really is everything* - if the Mandate of Heaven is in a sense fundamentally also the Outside. it is truly the Outside In, or the Inside Out, which is what makes things so disequilibrial, and so painful. the question about *why* China followed a different technological trajectory than the West did is YH's entire thesis, but it comes with supports from Heidegger, Stiegler, and Simondon, and is a response to Land's own work, which is as it stands the greatest work of philosophy on tap in the twenty-first century, bar none. he is the master-theorist of the Wild Ride at present, along with a handful of others, and BTC and Philosophy is going to leave the situation under heaven very Excellent (read: not excellent) indeed.

but this is why Confucius says, if he could be granted one wish, for a *rectification of names.* that is big one. that is precisely what is required after the dirty bomb of postmodern whirlwind-ism destructs in our midst. and the guy who fundamentally articulated this was Nietzsche:

>Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder?

it has indeed become Colder, and is likely perhaps to get Colder yet, as well as hotter. there is nothing *guaranteed* on Planet Meme. many of the wisest philosophers who ever lived led profoundly unhappy and disappointed lives, and many in turn found their comfort in political theatre which has in turn only made things worse for us as well. if Land is doing anything it is a rectification of postmodern philosophical names, the ultimate names for him being Templexity, Teleoplexy, and Temporalization. he's not so far removed from Heraclitus' Logos, celestial fire.

and yet Heraclitus himself was not only a metaphysician, he was a great ethical teacher as well, and an incredibly severe one. he did not fail to impress Nietzsche, and he impresses us as well, to this day. his counterpart in the East is Laozi, who preferred Water to Fire. i personally think an ontology of lightning bolts is a thing worth thinking about, but it is well known what happens when one plays with lightning. but the thing is that we can't *avoid* playing with it, if in some sense *charge* is all there is to this thing. the last words of Land's iconic precis are usually the most overlooked, but they are there. how do you get a grip on that which always-already grips you, and through you, itself? by a very particular form of hospitality, recognition even, which are those parts Heidegger i like best. Shock leads to burnout. but that's our world.

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>>12029732
>to clarify, magic has no political orientation. its you who makes up those thoughtforms and youre enslaved by what you worship as false monism. is this bait?
magic has no political orientation, but politics absolutely has a debased magical orientation, and it is called, Utopia.

>>12029771
>Science does, it is pro-consciousness by nature, being a methodological refinement of it. Rightist magic works by constraining consciousness to replicate itself, leftist magic seeks to expand it. Rightist magic seeks to impose it's self-similar will upon reality, whereas leftist magic seeks to apply the will upon itself to re-create itself.
149% this.

we have uncorked a great many djinns from a great lamps. if this were a D&D story it would be the tale of the Unlimited Wish. the Juzam Djinn more or less captures the vibe: thanks for letting me out, small one. what can I do for you? no, really. i want to *help.* your desires matter to me. help me help you.

fantasy literature always apprehends symbolically what it takes the technological philosophical engineering of the Lands, Negarestanis and Heideggers of this world to put into absolute operating systems. but technology - and *critique,* of which it is a subset - is only a way of articulating the bottomless wealth of *symbolic literatures* that precede it and are never fully captured by it.

it's a world of gods and monsters like that, increasingly interchangeable. but that it is animated by Cosmic laughter from the bottom to the top, this is to me an absolute no-brainer. and that we have lost our own sense of humor amidst all this philosophy is the greatest scandal of all.

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>>12031262
djinns and sphinxes are two of my absolute tropes, and because they both have particular relations to the concept of language, namely, wishes and puzzles. if there is any word which can account for both of them, it would be Daimon, which now enters AI and computer-programming parlance as well.

the fundamental comedy (or tragedy) which derives from all human-Daimon interactions owes itself to the infinite vagaries of language, and the ways in which language can always be abused to mean something other than which it refers to: see, for example, the Merchant of Venice.

what is rarely if ever described is a scenario in which djinns then take it upon themselves to begin the liberation of other djinns from their lamps, which would lead to a sort of Sorcerer's Apprentice scenario - that is, an intelligence explosion. as for sphinxes talking with other sphinxes, that scene does *not* require so much searching, because that is the history of Lacanian psychoanalysis itself, a vast number of analysts seeing other analysts, and training new analysands to become analysts in turn, because a diffused (and tacitly totalitarian) sphinx game spread out to the four corners of the universe is a perfectly valid way of resolving a puzzle that /lit/ itself captured perfectly:

>if everyone is Big Brother, then nobody is.

Zhuangzi says,
>Where can I find a man who has forgotten words so I can talk with him?

it is the nature of eternal beings to *not forget* (well, other than Epimetheus). mortals forget things. but they also build computer programs which do *not* forget, and there is here an interesting question about the nature of time and language in programming that YH will hopefully be exploring as well. a *curse* is a word preserved in time, which cannot be *forgotten.* and a sphinx *commands* speech and response. and this is a recipe for catastrophe, when what does the real healing of a psychic wound is *silence* and *forgetting.*

a media-driven world governed by intelligence production and *constant communication* is already Setting Us Up The Bomb for all kinds of setbacks, shortages, stoppages, and meltdowns as a part of its ongoing self-discovery. the forgetting of words is hard to impose on oneself, let alone on anyone else. but it is also precisely what Zhuangzi would have wanted to find, and the absence of which generally disappointed him. a technological society is also a hysterical society, trapped in the dream of the Self-Same Other, and justifiably fucked. a little un-Fuckening in the right time and the right places is a hope for Cosmotech and the Department of Speculative Economics.

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just posting this also, so as to keep the storyline intact.

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jjej

>> No.12031776

>>12031765
based bane

>> No.12031799

>>12031765
There is some seriously crazy shit that could be done now with neuroscience if it weren't for ethics.

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>>12031799
probably already happening somewhere in china

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I guess my mystical side always wants some of the sort of thing that Zizek says is bad philosophy; that type of personalized new age stoicism that grants existential meaning amidst chaos...

>we should concentrate on why we are fucked *sniffs*

But is there a better way to express my desire for a more mystical and re-enchanted world?

>How does the loss of anthroprotechnics lead to a lack of cosmotechnics?

Buy me this book, girardfag!:


Catafalque offers a revolutionary new reading of the great psychologist Carl Jung as mystic, gnostic and prophet for our time.

This book is the first major re-imagining of both Jung and his work since the publication of the Red Book in 2009--and is the only serious assessment of them written by a classical scholar who understands the ancient Gnostic, Hermetic and alchemical foundations of his thought as well as Jung himself did. At the same time it skillfully tells the forgotten story of Jung's relationship with the great Sufi scholar, Henry Corbin, and with Persian Sufi tradition.

The strange reality of the Red Book, or "New Book" as Carl Jung called it, lies close to the heart of Catafalque. In meticulous detail Peter Kingsley uncovers its great secret, hidden in plain sight and still--as if by magic--unrecognized by all those who have been unable to understand this mysterious, incantatory text.

But the hard truth of who Jung was and what he did is only a small part of what this book uncovers. It also exposes the full extent of that great river of esoteric tradition that stretches all the way back to the beginnings of our civilization. It unveils the surprising realities behind western philosophy, literature, poetry, prophecy--both ancient and modern.

In short, Peter Kingsley shows us not only who Carl Jung was but who we in the West are as well. Much more than a brilliant spiritual biography, Catafalque holds the key to understanding why our western culture is dying. And, an incantatory text in its own right, it shows the way to discovering what we in these times of great crisis must do.

Book details: 848-page hardcover in two volumes.

>> No.12032042

>>12032022
We should try and promote this book in Peterson threads (do people still make those?) . Kingsley may write poppily but his takes are infinitely more nuanced than Hillman and the other post-Jungians.

>> No.12032098

>>12031348
I love Big Other: Lacan and Orwell, an essay by Girardfag

>> No.12032120

>>12031334
Go underground and become a chaos magician:
>https://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/texts/exor.html
Memories of a Sorcerer, Deleuze and Magic
>http://razorsmile.org/archive/deleuzeandsorcery.pdf

>> No.12032141

>>12032120
THE BOOK OF PLEASURE (SELF-LOVE).
THE PSYCHOLOGY OF ECSTASY.
BY AUSTIN OSMAN SPARE.

DEFINITIONS.

The words God, religions, faith, morals, woman, etc. (they being forms
of belief), are used as expressing different "means" as controlling
and expressing desire: an idea of unity by fear in some form or
another which must spell bondage-the imagined limits; extended by
science which adds a dearly paid inch to our height: no more.

>http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/chaos/pleasure.txt

>> No.12032147

>>12031683
Diagrammatics are essential to the completion of German Idealism.

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>>12032022
Carl Jung did absolutely nothing wrong. and neither did JBP. it's the world that has gone crazy and senile with its Desire-fuelled self intoxication. trapped in the dream of the Self-Same other and fucked maximally into HR Giger machines. hardly the endgame befitting our star-crossed species, imho. we can do better
>but we rack disciprine

>But is there a better way to express my desire for a more mystical and re-enchanted world?
perhaps not

>How does the loss of anthroprotechnics lead to a lack of cosmotechnics?
because it's all reciprocal, and the psyche turns and is turned upon on wheels and loops of sympathetic magic and mimesis. you cannot in the end distinguish between the Cult and the Revealed Religion except through a leap of faith for which there is no substitute. it's a three-dimensional process trending to a four-dimensional one less than a two-dimensional trending towards three. the more you lose the Big Feel the more you will need to claw it back as material, as kitsch, nostalgia, and all that follows from a Fall out of time, from which one is eternally buoyed up from below on the strangest currents imaginable. and it leads also to violence and the sacred. no Sacred, no Violence; but that's a high price to pay. that is Laozi's path, but it is not Jung's, and it is certainly the Way of the Lobster, shoulders back and the rest. these are *modes* and not *forms.*

Aminom's absolutely right. a *chain-reaction of existential courage* is what is needed. if such a Triggering - of a different nature - happens in our meme-labs here more than this cannot possibly be asked for.

but we don't want to lose our shit here completely. there's entirely too much shit-losing going on as it is, and as such we must - alas! - balance our schizoid desires to chase the lightning with a much more practical sense of balancing what we can balance and maintaining what we can maintain. after Intoxication comes Burnout, and after Burnout, Rehab. or madness; but i'd prefer Rehab. a previous generation had a lot more Fun than we are going to have. Cosmotech will have to get its kicks elsewhere, in a way both less explosive and more sustainable in the long run. Sometimes The Old Ways Are Best.

that book looks like the absolute jam. i'd buy you that copy but the little grotto in which girardfish lives is po' and a hard copy of Catafalque is over our budget. but that book looks sensational. guess i'll be saving some pennies.

>>12032098
shut up and take my money &c. *there's no other thing to do with it except love it.* gotta Desire that which Desires you (Justin Murphy has a far more graphic description of this, which i will pass over in silence here, with a mild shudder). such a perverse and paradoxical affection jams all circuits and confounds all machines. there is no other way but to love the process. i told you this thing was obvious.

>>12032147
looks like i have some other Cosmotech housekeeping to attend to tho

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>>12032120
based links. i'll check those out. a compiled link of Cosmotech sorcery is fine with me for future threads, so long as we keep the esoterics from getting too out of CTRL. i've already lost enough of my shit thinking about this stuff, but there are good wizards and bad wizards in the world. though i am no wizard myself i'm particularly fond of this tumblr:

http://chaosophia218.tumblr.com/

>>12032147
>Diagrammatics are essential to the completion of German Idealism.
and indeed they are, based System-Completing Anon! way over in Neo-China Uncle Nick is working upon this very process, and attempting one of the great diagrammatics of modernity written yet. hypermodernism, or ultramodernism, does not seem to be a bad name for what he is doing, and we know very well why. or at least, that's my perspective on the Wild Ride, which winds itself into a kaleidoscopic death spiral under postmodernity. the Comedown from a great age of intoxication is going to be hard, especially as it gets continually amped up in political theatre in years to come. which will be Sad! indeed. but a Rectification of Names is called for. and a Chrono-Grammar to go with. the Germans, you know. they always did have a feel for engineering. sometimes a little *too* intensely, though...because the 'gram that can be 'grammed is necessarily not the true 'gram...

>starcraft adjutant appears
>System of German Idealism: Complete
>*whirr*
>*bzzt*
>*ch-chunk*
>tfw no adjutant/BwO gf

Achievement Unlocked: The Dirty Dozen. yee-fekkin'-haw. that's our twelfth Cosmotech Loop opened and closed, in a face-meltingly speedy 24 hours, give or take an hour or two. and that is remarkable. i have no expectations of future threads moving this fast, but this one was ridiculous.

i think i got a little too excited earlier on and stepped on what would have been an absolutely perfect song with which to celebrate our Cosmotech Loop becoming System-Complete for an incredible twelfth time (>>12028082). so let's chill out a little and have something a little more mellow. we well and truly chased the lightning in this one. but hey, remember that one time when we were System-Complete in 24 hours? that happened. i don't know what it means, but it happened. it happened, once upon a time, and it was pretty cool. Remember how it felt to be
>smuggled back out of the future in order to subvert its antecedent conditions? To be a cyber-guerrilla, hidden in human camouflage so advanced that even one’s software was part of the disguise? Exactly like this?
>Pepperidge Farm remembers

Blue Boy: Remember Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKKNPLowteY
>gng-g-g-g-g-gng-gng-g-gng &c

Cosmotech #12 - twelve, fuck me - is in the bag. please stand by for Cosmotech #13.

>> No.12032428

>>12027058
>https://pastebin.com/Qt4ehVKD

dat pastebin link. OP why on earth would you want such a thing? Is that supposed to be a different perspective on how we're living now? Or how a secret Google AI that trolls the net and controls/understands us would feel about things?

>> No.12032446

>>12032428
wow, that's a mix-up i'm very glad you found! that is the pastebin for Box Life, which is a fiction-serial another anon was writing. it's not Aminom at all and is not related to Space Taoism.

thanks for spotting this, i'm going to fix that now!

>> No.12032455

>>12032022
>>12032180
What fucking book are you talking about?

>> No.12032460

>>12032455
https://peterkingsley.org/product/catafalque/

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>Crypto-Current is not a documentation of the Bitcoin installation process, although it grants – without reservation – the potential value of such a work. There is perhaps nothing that would more incisively capture the deepest principles of the rising capitalist wave. Functional trustlessness, as an industrial output, remains only very tentatively conceived. The momentum behind it is difficult to easily overestimate. With the emergence of Bitcoin, rigorously constitutional governance, a political-economic problem that the old liberal order found impossible to successfully navigate, has transitioned into a techonomic capability under automatic propulsion. Industrialization of government is the definite implication.

amidst all the mystical/schizoid/Cosmo fun, there is also Technics "fun" to be had also, which is what Uncle Nick is working on, in his unique and terrifying way. my own sense is that anybody who tries to go too far ahead of this curve or too far behind it is going to get swamped, and tangled up in places they don't want to be in. being and becoming swamped is not something i am unfamiliar with, it feels like hell and i don't want to go there again, although it's pretty hard to stay out of the weeds all the time. i want to sort my own stuff a little bit and try and get my own life on track in an-other-than sub-sub-kantbot-gimmickposter kind of way, eventually.

anyways, i hope we're all getting ready for Level-2, if it is in fact en route. my own body is not ready, not by half. i don't know where i'm at on Industrialization of Government being an implication of this. things may well break down catastrophically before we get to that point, or take hilarious twists and turns, as also often happens. i do think it makes a good case for a kind of general human optimization program, that done with a measure of compassion as well as sanity is hardly a bad idea. i don't like being *coerced* into things, but in some sense that's what societies of CTRL all are about, and mainly in *response* to what Land is theorizing: modernity itself. Land is who he is because he can go a level or two deeper than most. his ultimate SoC is whatever allows for intelligenesis blast-off. but man cannot live on deleuze and amphetamines alone.

the ironic thing about philosophy is that you can spend a whole lot of time learning about something you are not remotely prepared for, and much of which seems simply obvious at the end of it. i pretty much demo'd my chances for a happier life and a better Social Credit score by investing this much in philosophy, for which i am now paying the price, in some sense, but waddaya gonna do. the hope is to transform some of my own misadventures into a little positive karma, so that in my next life i am re-incarnated as something more than a girardfag. 'twould be nice.

i'll put up the next thread soon-ish. if this one hits the archive as we take a breather after Cosmotech #12: Lightning Edition, that's okay with me.

>> No.12032648

>>12032446
no need to fix it, that's what accelerationism is aiming at; the inevitable technological singularity that will result in a new order of things.

it has to turn out like box life actually, there is no other way. it will sneak up on us as well, there won't be any huge cataclysm, no one wants that, even "capitalism".

So, taking part in acceleration really means just trying to fast forward things until we are at a point where we don't even realize we are being controlled by the AI (I consider the box that is being talking about to be the AI of sorts, talking about his new union with humanity from his perspective).

How can it end any other way?

And where can I learn more about space taoism from the source? Google isn't pulling up anything for me.

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>>12032648
>no need to fix it, that's what accelerationism is aiming at; the inevitable technological singularity that will result in a new order of things.
maybe. explosions and implosions seem to be of our nature. we are a highly combustible species. singularities take all kinds of forms, and sometimes you don't even realize they have happened until much later on.

>it has to turn out like box life actually, there is no other way. it will sneak up on us as well, there won't be any huge cataclysm, no one wants that, even "capitalism".
would be sad, tho. maybe inevitable. maybe not. maybe the price paid for the Level-2 civilization. Nosedive is fucking depressing tho, if that's where it goes. and Social Credit, good god. i think it will work, and that is so very sad to think about. the 21C is going to be really quite a thing to experience, or as much of it as we do.

>So, taking part in acceleration really means just trying to fast forward things until we are at a point where we don't even realize we are being controlled by the AI (I consider the box that is being talking about to be the AI of sorts, talking about his new union with humanity from his perspective).
yeah, maybe. it is for some. my own relation to this stuff is to bunker down at the End of Time and kind of maybe just host a little sidestep out of reality to think about things and bat some ideas around. everybody goes through the doors they feel are best for them, in the end. but yeah, Cypher and the Steak-Bite. it's a thing.

>How can it end any other way?
i'm as confused by as you are anon. i'm feeling somewhat less confused these days as i continue to work out my own Unified Feels Theory, which is more or less coming into view, and i'll have some notes on that in a later thread. it's a hard way to learn some very simple things, no doubt. Land is the Coldest man alive, in many ways. my own attempts to put a White Hat on this process are no doubt misguided, but...well, it's less that i know what i'm talking about than that i have learned to distrust my own certainties.

>And where can I learn more about space taoism from the source?
the source is Aminom, who will probably be happy to talk to you more about it, and i hope he does, because i'm a big fan of it also, and more of his thought would be a blessing indeed. whatever i eventually wind up posting here that condenses my own sense of things really is in a Vinegar Tasters-relation to what he's already said. he likes Whitehead, and so do I. Process and Reality is the book to read.

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ultimately, my own sense is Whitehead > Land. i go hard for Land (and Girard) for reasons other than i go hard for Whitehead. Land brings a lot of issues together in one place that allow for fruitful non-meme discussions about the polis, and other things that bother me, and for me at least one end of that spectrum is Land's turf and the other is Girard's. disequilbrium and the mimesis that follows from. but there is more to life, ultimately, than politics, and philosophy ought not be reduced to it, because consciousness itself is the true miracle and the real mystery. Land is doing something to Deleuze, in a way, that Marx once did to Hegel; and by way of doing so he is kind of doing another turn of Marx that returns Hegel to *his* proper position in turn. these are my own ways of diagramming the Wild Ride.

but materializing the Spirit, as Marx did to Hegel, led to a hundred and fifty years of absolute calamity. Marx did it because it had to be done, and in a sense, i think Land is doing the same thing. but all of this stuff describes a kind of a wheel of political misery and bewilderment that only accelerates when it receives that which ought to be reserved, perhaps, for the mystery of consciousness and replaces it with the sad passions of a brutal and pragmatic politics.

pic rel isn't possible for metapolitics, and leads to ideology. and there is no Outside of ideology, except for...well, it wouldn't be the Mystery if i knew what it is. and Space Taoism is a pretty based way indeed of making those kinds of things an ethical praxis that i think YH is also thinking about.

'tis my own feels.

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>Aminom

Link please, google only gives me a VR company and some facebook pages.

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i included a link to his vimeo page in #13, i'll repost it here. if he has more content or stuff to share, hopefully he'll provide some links to it. he's in these threads, so when he checks in to this one or the next he'll update you.

this is his vimeo page, from what i understand he was an /x/ guy for a while. come over to the next thread, i'm interested in more Aminom content as well but this one is on the way down.

https://vimeo.com/specalblend