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11942139 No.11942139 [Reply] [Original]

There are two artists and two societies.
One wants to maintain a painting habit. His art supply needs are reasonable by anyone's standards. Perhaps sometimes he exceeds himself, but not habitually.
The other wants to create 50-foot statue of his favorite My Little Pony character that looms over the city from a neighboring hill.
The two societies are, of course, a capitalist and a socialist one.
I made a table to cover all the possibilities here.

As you can see capitalism gets it right 3/8 times, communism 3/4.

>> No.11942166

capitalism btfo

>> No.11942176

>Communism
>2018

You forgot to include feudalism and hunter-gatherer societies on there with your other completely obsolete and irrelevant system.

>> No.11942225

>>11942139
From yesterday:

I am coming in late to this discussion, and if I had to drop some perfunctory criticism to justify my not engaging with the rest of the thread, I would say something like: you are not being sufficiently analytical. The grid you made is analytic in style but casuistic in substance. Here's one of the dozen issues that are immediately obvious:
You find the 3/4 result superior to the 3/8 one. This requires us to assume each cell has the same value. The reality may be very different, and you may have to factor across cells with numbers different from '1'. This may not be obvious when written out just so, but let me give an example. We'll isolate it to the 'Resonable (sic) artist man' row.

In this row, capitalism gets one green and three reds. Communism gets one green and one red. On the surface: communism gets a better score since it does the right thing under a greater proportion of scenarios(1/2 vs Capitalism's 1/4). This is basically the point you are making across the entire table.

The reason this isn't sound reasoning is this: one could well imagine that even if a greater proportion of possible scenarios are favorable under communism, there may yet be a larger number of cases falling under the lone unfavorable cell. E.g., perhaps the scenario where resources exist and the reasonable artist man can afford the supplies under Capitalism is the most likely one, or occurs the most often.

E.g., perhaps under capitalism a reasonable artist who can afford supplies occurs much more often than the other three (red) scenarios. And perhaps under communism 'resources don't exist' much more often than they do.

Insofar as optimization for favorable results is what we are looking for here, it is perfectly conceivable that this table is correct but that capitalism remains the superior option. Using said table as evidence that communism is the superior form or political organization is only possible if we accept some unstated premises about scenario frequency that seem to me up for debate.

>> No.11942230

>>11942139
>hurr durr I have a chart made with variables I've cherrypicked therefore I'm right
what does this prove exactly? you're taking points which you've assumed to be comparable on every level, this isn't the case however. plus, I would endorse an mlp statue since mlp is based and redpilled (I miss you /mlpol/).

>> No.11942252

>>11942139
>50-foot tal MLP statue
This assumes there are no zoning laws in capitalist polities.

>reasonable artist man
His work doesn't sell well enough to cover the cost of the materials? Materials are themselves costly to produce, distribute and store. If "there's no reason community to begrudge this man" to give him the stuff for free that isn't really a point for communism, it's the reason why people offer gifts and alms.