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[Anonymous No.11686189]

Magic is the superfluity of (first-person) consciousness. We're gonna need Schelling, Zizek, and Hegel to unpack this. Begin: the groundlessness of God's existence is the groundlessness of subjective freedom. God is a looking-backwards into the abyss of his inexplicability, Uzdavinys' "ineffable Waters". Heidegger's Lichtung: what is disclosed is the formal reality of disclosure as such. Silesius' rose: the rose blooms to say only its "non-saying". God is the supreme magician who never reveals his tricks, but being God, he needs the subject to forget them in the first place. Because only mystery is worth anything in the void. Because being in awe of its ineffability is all the One has to look forward to in the Deep. Freedom derives from the opacity of being: something must remain obscure at the heart of the absolute if freedom is to be operative, or else everything collapses into skeleton rigidity. The beginning must be repressed if it is to be the Beginning proper. Now we segue into Zizek's inversion of the classical Marxist notion of ideology: ideology is not that which obfuscates the "real" reality behind it, as he says, but that which constitutes (meaningful) reality to begin with. It isn't a choice between the True and its ideological mystifications, but between competing sets of ideologies that more or less own their status as such. As with Buddhism: you can't just stop desiring full-stop, you have to first desire the end of desire, to learn to discriminate between those modes of being that motorize this negative movement and those that hinder it. Buddhism as ontological short-circuit, desire lacerated by its own logic.

[Anonymous No.11686193]

As Comay has it: at the end of the Phenomenology, Hegel does not divest us of the illusions obscuring the Real, but forces us to accept the "real of the illusion": the realization that the fantasmic kernel which stubbornly resists our disavowal does not obfuscate meaning so much as constitute it from the bottom-up. Even my recognition of myself as a causal automaton does not diminish my subjective sense of freedom: there is something indissoluble about the illusion that persists in and through my recognition of it. Consciousness is the one trick of the light not dispelled by our seeing through it: this groundless, ineradicable 'efficacy' is the domain of magic, of genii and occult forces. In other words, to bring it full circle, the interiority of the system that registers itself as a completely determined causal machine is precisely that in and by which that determinacy is upended. Given total causal knowledge of my brain-states, my first-person awareness is rendered superfluous, and yet is precisely within that superfluity that I am king and kingdom both. That is to say, magic is that which I am able to perform when the illusion is lashed to my self-project, instead of the other way around. Crowley's imaginary mongoose. Liberation means the total and complete identification of myself with the nucleus of my witnessing: mysticism is the nuclear fusion of the soul. Everything is full of gods: you just have to be the one to put them there.

[Anonymous No.11686385]

>"The images are manifest to man, but the light in them remains concealed in the image of the light of the father. He will become manifest, but his image will remain concealed by his light."

[Anonymous No.11686522]

>>11686189
>Because only mystery is worth anything in the void. Because being in awe of its ineffability is all the One has to look forward to in the Deep.
Lacan’s idea of desire stopping short before its veiled object of desire. Though the subject’s awe is not felt osmotically via the ineffable that lies beyond the veil, but rather the recognition of the veil as a signifier constituted by the subject allowing him to transcend his own perception through a feigned game of limitation. Or something.

[Anonymous No.11686646]

>>11686522
Yup exactly, the only thing different than the = x is the curtain that gives the impression there is something more than it.

[Anonymous No.11686754]

>>11686193
>Consciousness is the one trick of the light not dispelled by our seeing through it
Given this ontological primacy of conscious meaning (that I very much tend towards myself) how are we to contemplate and create (things like art, discourse, friendship) in a society who’s neoliberal epistemology disavows/feigns ignorance of the primacy of the Self in all things. All around me I see pervading the sciences, politics, and the social sphere, an underlying ideology of ontological Cartesianism: “we are objects experiencing in a world of objects”. Mayhaps this is a loaded and heavy question but I’m sure you’ve thought about this too. Badiou says we need the “truth with a small t to become the truth with a big T”, a dialectical materialism acknowledging universal truths and not just bodies and language (matter and the symbolic order it exists in). Is the answer to be found in logic and love, as Badiou says, or perhaps in the Kierkegaardian “leap of faith” of society from this nihilistic-accelerationist platform onto some kind of return to the Great Mother. What do you think?

[Anonymous No.11686818]

>>11686754
I completely forgot about adding this one line that I think would have honed right in on what you were talking about: the big difference between the modern and ancient mentality is that the former can't think consciousness without intentionality, pure consciousness without an object, the Vedantic understanding of consciousness pretty much.


you can't reach this understanding without suffering and solitude and lots of soul-digging. there's nothing else to say, only crisis can force it. no one on this planet has the face, mind, bearing, verbal and spiritual IQ, to captivate millions of doll-eyed droids into finally realizing the Self. no one. but maybe I'm wrong.

[Anonymous No.11686831]

>>11686818
>you can't reach this understanding without suffering and solitude and lots of soul-digging. there's nothing else to say, only crisis can force it. no one on this planet has the face, mind, bearing, verbal and spiritual IQ, to captivate millions of doll-eyed droids into finally realizing the Self. no one. but maybe I'm wrong.
You are wrong. Millions understand the term Faith alone.

[Anonymous No.11686841]

>>11686385
>The beauty of this world is Christ's tender smile coming to us through matter.

[Anonymous No.11686843]

Brothers I feel as if we are some of the last.

[Anonymous No.11686844]

>>11686831
only intellectually, you're gonna have to do more than to convince me the average prottie understands Faith in any substantative way

[Anonymous No.11686852]

>>11686844
I'm actually a protestant.
Are you an orthodox baby? Of the hand holding, coddling way?

[Anonymous No.11686872]

>>11686843
>>11686818
True, true. Before the 1800’s nobody really had to deal with institutions hostile to spirituality. Now it is a conflict transferred through the nervous system of every individual wired into the global network. Feel like Christ was the only prophet bringing his negation, the anti-Christ, realised in a declining Faustian civilisation. The world has never been so complex, a return to simplicity is almost unfathomable under capitalism. The inevitable ecological and economic chaos might transmutate the (nature) of world spirit.

[Anonymous No.11686873]

>>11686852
Neither.

[Anonymous No.11686883]

>>11686844
Also, your entire way of thinking is either deluded by years of church or you simply do not understand Faith in the slightest.

Faith is granted alone by the Blessing of Christ, it is not supported by Theological integrity and understanding, it is something outside the works, and doctrine of church. Faith will bring one inline with scriptural behaivor, but that is not to say it is to happen first, it is actually the contrary.

[Anonymous No.11686901]

>>11686883
Just to clarify at the end there. Faith happens and then the life of it begins.

[Anonymous No.11686908]

>>11686872
very timely. gamer autism has finally blown its load. just a sad time. I'll always keep in mind landposter's words about how not becoming a rage zombie (if you weren't born with a silver spoon in your mouth, obv) is one of the last great spiritual trials left to us today. that's the kind of person I make these threads for, lost maybe but not demented by it

[Anonymous No.11686913]

>>11686883
the church is trash. the only value in christianity is found in christ and the mystics it excommunicates. we disagree less than you think

[Anonymous No.11686936]

>>11686913
You misunderstand what the Church represents, it is literally the body of Christ, for a single word of the Spirit furnishes the drought God. The communion is as a watering hole where people come to drink, where Christ continues to bless.

Do not look down on it, for it is not under your judgement.

[Anonymous No.11686952]

>>11686936
i have no idea what compelled you to click a thread about Schelling and the occult

[Anonymous No.11687045]

>>11686952
I understand it, and I like to extinguish the false ideas that seem to grow in it.

I've studied lots of occult.

[Anonymous No.11687109]

>>11687045
you limit and are limited when you speak and think in certain ways

[Anonymous No.11687137]

based 5oclock wojak poster

[Anonymous No.11687190]

>>11687045
If you have, not sure where you're detecting a slavish dependency on doctrine in the OP

[Anonymous No.11687341]

>>11687190
I never said I was.

[Anonymous No.11687449]

>this is the end result of trying to turn 4chan into a mystery school
Oh well, was worth a jolly good go. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Anonymous No.11687463]

>>11687449
there's definitely an audience for this stuff, if you told me in 2015 guenon would be a household name on /lit/ I would have laughed and laughed

[Anonymous No.11687494]

>>11687463
Initiating normalfags may have... unintended consequences especially when you consider the true unifying factor of all Hidden Wisdom is really just "Keep it secret, stupid!"
But the lulz potential...

[Anonymous No.11687497]

>>11687494
no normalfags have ever read past the first line of threads like these let alone clicked them, it's ok

[Anonymous No.11687499]

>>11686189
Stopped reading your post as soon as you mentioned Žižek. Unplug your brain from the internet for one fucking day you walking meme.

[Anonymous No.11687591]

i love the words AWE and RADIANCE, they send chills down my spine

[Anonymous No.11687616]

>>11687497
this, this information is self obfuscating

"this doesnt look like anything to me" from westworld

[Anonymous No.11687627]

>>11687616
Hmm... what's this? magic is the superfluity of... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Anonymous No.11687729]

>>11687627
its not exactly like that
i used to read stuff like "we are all one" and think: well thats a nice thought, its nice to think of all beings as connected and sharing this world, etc
then i got it, and i was like OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, thats what they meant, its not something you can just read and literally get

[Anonymous No.11687742]

>>11687729
well of course, you could fit Jupiter between my understanding of the Upanishads now vs. when I first read them in my early 20s

[Anonymous No.11687762]

>>11687729
>i used to read stuff like "we are all one" and think: well thats a nice thought, its nice to think of all beings as connected and sharing this world, etc
>thats what they meant
What did they really meant?
inb4 you dont really know so you won't be able to answer
inb4 its too hard to say so you won't be able to answer which will equal the first inb4
inb4 nuh uhhh

[Anonymous No.11687763]

>>11687742
i just watched jupiter through a telescope yesterday, two moons were very bright

[Anonymous No.11687781]

>>11687762
it means that literally we separate ourselves and everything else through the creation of operable concepts like YOU and I, that in fact reality is a single thing but our own limited perspective clouds our vision of the whole, we cant see the forest for the trees

[Anonymous No.11687783]

>>11687763
based stargazing poster. sucks living in the city

>>11687762
>it's a positivist drone wants condense years of laborious study and spiritual struggle into a few soundbytes for easy consumption episode

[Anonymous No.11687793]

magic is when things work and you don't know why

[Anonymous No.11687805]

>>11687793
you do know, you just cant put it into words

[Anonymous No.11687809]

>>11687781
but isnt that idea contained in:
>its nice to think of all beings as connected

[Anonymous No.11687812]

>>11687783
>its a im a certified zen master of the 9th order from an acredited monastery and I am doing the duty to the Dao of testing a far lesser

[Anonymous No.11687881]

>>11687812
>spoonfeed me out of the Cave
Haha okay, let me just think it over
*Hrmmmmmmmmm*
...and it's gonna have to be a big "Nah" from me chief
it's better you just stay down there
wallowing in the muck and mire of mere commonality like a wriggly little earthworm

[Anonymous No.11687894]

>>11687449
>>11687463
>>11687494
I want to initiate myself, anons. What must I do to enter the mystery schools of the cyber age?

[Anonymous No.11687900]

>>11687894
read everything you can get your hands on, suffer, meditate, contemplate, eat clean, work out, semen retention

[Anonymous No.11687904]

>>11687809
you cant contain the feeling in words, i felt like i was coming up on LSD when i felt one with everything

[Anonymous No.11687951]

>>11687881
>you cant contain the feeling in words, i felt like i was coming up on LSD when i felt one with everything
This is what was *waving hands emphatically* soooOOOooo beyond your explanation? ... nice

That... is what is... soooOOooooo above me, a lil earthworm? ....noice

[Anonymous No.11687958]

>>11687951
if you were serious, you'd be asking for book recommendations. go flaunt your mediocrity somewhere else

[Anonymous No.11687979]

>>11687951
the point was that to the un initiated OPs words look like gibberish
you just proved my point

[Anonymous No.11687981]

>>11687951
wriggle wriggle

[Anonymous No.11687990]

>>11686189
I hate you.

[Anonymous No.11687995]

>>11687894
the first step is truly believe there is more than you can think and/or put into words

[Anonymous No.11688058]

>>11687990
why do these posts provoke such strong emotional responses? genuinely baffled

[Anonymous No.11688068]

>>11688058
mysticism was often brutally suppressed for a reason.

[Anonymous No.11688069]

>>11687958
Not him but are there book recommendations or specific fields of study? I'm currently starting with the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.11688081]

>>11687958
>>11687979
>>11687981
Why are yall so butthurt and defensive for me asking questions and trying to further the conversation... WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

DO NOT ENTER INTO A DISCUSSION IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE SLY ASIAN GIRLISH HOLDING HAND OVER THE MOUTH GIGGLING AMBIGUOUS STATEMENTS AND THEN GET ANGRY AND RETARDED WHEN YOU ARE ASKED TO CLARIFY OR FURTHER DISCUSS, IT MAKES YOU APPEAR TO BE A KNOW NOTHING RETARD WHO IS NOT CONFIDENT IN THE BASELESS MEANINGLESS GARBAGE JARGON THEY JUST SPEWED

[Anonymous No.11688092]

At least you didn't mention Kant this time

[Anonymous No.11688093]

>>11688069
well what are you interested mainly, the field is broad.

i'd start with uzdavinys' philosophy as a rite of rebirth. good supplement to your starting with the greeks, like a vaccine against any bloodless rationalism that might seep in through the introductions/secondary sources you might be getting into

also Coomaraswamy's papers on metaphysics are fantastic and talk about this witness-consciousness right from the jump: https://archive.org/stream/MetaphysicsAnandaCoomaraswamyK./Metaphysics%20Ananda%20Coomaraswamy%20K._djvu.txt

[Anonymous No.11688105]

>>11687979
>the point was that to the un initiated OPs words look like gibberish
>you just proved my point
YOU JUST TRIED TO SAY THAT ANY PERSON THAT SAYS SOMETHING OBSCURE IN THIS THREAD THAT REFUSES TO EXPLAIN THEMSELVES IS COMPARABLE TO OP. NOW I UNDERSTAND, THIS TYPE OF THREAD IS A CALLING CARD FOR WEAK THINKERS TO SPEW CHUNKS OF ILLDIGESTED TWAT OUT OF THEIR SHIESTY ASSES, A LITTLE CHILD RUNNING INTO THE CENTER OF A SQUARE DANCE TO TOSS A LITTLE PIECE OF CANDY ON THE FLOOR AND SEE IF IT IS STEPPED ON, SEE IF AN ADULT NOTICES AND BRINGS IT BACK, AND IF ONE DOES, THEY WILL THROW A TANTRUM, IF IT TASTES SOUR, OH THIS IS MY ONE CHANCE TO SHINE, THIS IS MY CHANCE TO FLEX MY MUSCLES AND TRY TO BE OBSCURE, I AM A KNOW NOTHING RETARD 19 YEAR OLD BUT I HAVE READ SOME POETRY AND PHILOSOPHY AND SAW SOME MYSTICAL VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE AND I HAVE NEVER THOUGHT MUCH OR WRITTEN BEFORE BUT I DID LSD ONCE AND I DONT TALK TO MANY PEOPLE AND SOMETIMES I TROLL AND SHITPOST ON TWITTER AND I TOLD MY MOM I WANT TO WRITE POETRY AND SONGS SO THIS IS MY CHANCE ON THIS THREAD TO TOSS OUT MY KOANS AND GOD FUCKING FORBID SOMEONE ASKS ME ABOUT IT IT WILL FUCKING SHATTER MY NON EXISTENT EGO MANNNN

[Anonymous No.11688107]

>>11688081
buddy you want clarification for "meaningless gibberish", we have no idea what you're confused about or want to learn, you're not furthering anything, you're just the same barnacle troglodyte threads like these always get, ask specific, detailed questions or don't

[Anonymous No.11688111]

>>11688058
There are people here deeply emotionally attached to certain implications of Aristotelianism (/pol/) and they knee-jerk anytime someone strays from approved meme ideologies

[Anonymous No.11688122]

>>11688081
hot dang we got a live one over here

[Anonymous No.11688168]

>>11688111
>the problem is rampant peripatetic scholasticism
hot take there herr bohm

[Anonymous No.11688190]

pseud

[Anonymous No.11688219]

>>11688093
>what are you interested in
I'm not sure yet, to be honest. A lot of what I'm reading here sounds like western esotericism, of which all I'm familiar with is hermeticism and Gnosticism (potential cringe). Of these two schools, I have some basic reading lists I've found.
How much deeper does this rabbit hole go? Am I chasing shadows in my current state?

[Anonymous No.11688230]

>>11688219

[Anonymous No.11688242]

>>11688219
Read Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco.

It's a story about the rabbit hole you're sitting on the edge of, and what happens to people that go down too deep

[Anonymous No.11688246]

>>11688219
deeper than you can ever imagine. as deep as you are alive to keep falling down it. I don't know what does or doesn't resonate about these ideas with you. id just get started with cleaning up your diet, working out, nofap (don't get neurotic about it for god's sake, just decide you're not gonna feed any sexual complexes you might have and move on, it's a tool not the goal), solitude, contemplation, meditation, ya know.

if Uzdavinys' book looks too dense for you, check out Crowley's Liber Four it's extremely accessible

[Anonymous No.11688247]

>>11688230
This is also top tier

[Anonymous No.11688256]

>>11688246
People think the advice is generic memeing.

Those people don't know about Abra-Melin.

[Anonymous No.11688263]

>>11688256
I also recommend Alan Moore's Promethea if you kinda want a bridge between the imagistic universe of pop culture and occult philosophy delivered at a pretty high level (for comics anyways).

[Anonymous No.11688278]

>>11688246
>suggesting crowley to a normie
Hell is made for people specifically like you. Repent.

[Anonymous No.11688282]

>>11688278
Just liber four, it's not like I recommended Book of Lies to an insta thot

[Anonymous No.11688289]

>>11688107
I ORIGINALLY DID YOU FUCKING SHITSKUNK I DID ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND I WAS MET WITH HURT DAMAGED DEFLECTING SCARED UNCERTAIN SKETCHY CHALLENGED HARMED UNCONFIDENT DERISIVE DEMEANOR

[Anonymous No.11688295]

>>11688282
Buddy is seriously ask you to look into your self, if you understand anything in the OP then you realize God is real and the Kabbalah does NOT lead to him.

[Anonymous No.11688297]

>>11688289
but I think you were baiting people to either write you a treatise no one felt like writing or to get a few pithy one-liners that you were inevitably going to mock.

[Anonymous No.11688298]

>>11688289
>everyone here is so mad except for me

[Anonymous No.11688302]

>>11688289
imagine using caps lock as a way to yell on the internet

[Anonymous No.11688408]

>>11688230
>>11688242
>>11688246
Thanks, guys. I will look further into each of these texts.

[kys OP No.11688428]

>>11686189
>can’t think for himself
>has not worked on thinking or writing because too busy memorizing idealist tomes from unfinished systems
>is farming attention off of an image board
>nothing to show for any of this
>likely fleeting rushes after the first breakthrough
>can’t imagine just being a body
>is less interesting than chads who don’t think at all
>”lets unpack this” so stuck in a mimetic rut from not having a real personality
>idiot wojack meme to relate with and disarm strangers
>Zizek
lol

[Anonymous No.11688436]

>>11688428
yawn

[kys OP No.11688439]

>>11688436
boring faggot

[Anonymous No.11688504]

I've said it before in these threads, but these insights are for nought if they're not also coming from a place of a genuine desire to grow emotionally and in your capacity to emit kindness.

[Anonymous No.11688525]

>>11688504
kindness would have been suffocating half the people in this planet when they were born, cruelty is watching them suffer for nothing

[Anonymous No.11688538]

>>11688525
No it wouldn't have.

[Anonymous No.11688542]

>>11688408
Why would you? I implore you to read the Bible.

[Anonymous No.11688543]

>>11688538
my kindness is complete, and will reach everyone

[Anonymous No.11688546]

>>11688525
t. atheist and self denialist

[Anonymous No.11688549]

>>11688543
>idolizes his own works

[Anonymous No.11688557]

>>11688549
i am god

[Convex !2JFC8Gml3c No.11688561]

>>11688105
Extremely based

[Anonymous No.11688562]

>>11688542
I'm gonna do that too.

[Anonymous No.11688563]

>>11688557
No, you're schizophrenic.

[Anonymous No.11688569]

>>11688562
Awesome, listen to sermons after you have a brief idea of Christ, it may supplement you just enough for the seed of Faith.

[Anonymous No.11688570]

>>11688563
i was just memeing bro, dont take these threads so seriously

[Anonymous No.11688592]

>>11688570
>Im just memeing bro

Your words infect people, you are scum.

[Anonymous No.11688594]

>>11686189
Hey OP, nice read as always. No mixing up with the Hegelian/Kantian epistemology of lived experience, a rarity. Have you read Less than nothing yet? I’m halfway through and highly recommend it if you haven’t

[Anonymous No.11688600]

Half the purpose of the ecstatic history is to see how fucked up it is. If you think believing you're God is unequivocally a good thing then ya blew it.

[Anonymous No.11688711]

>>11688428
>>is less interesting than chads who don’t think at all
how so?