Greentext Robert's point of view https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/11/cat-person

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Anonymous Mon Dec 11 19:30:28 2017 No.10387521 [Reply] [Original]

Greentext Robert's point of view

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/11/cat-person

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 19:33:02 2017 No.10387537 I see this post everywhere, is it a scam?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 19:34:18 2017 No.10387548 >>10387521 What’s so offensive about this again

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 19:38:19 2017 No.10387570 File: 524 KB, 600x568, 1511225662506.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10387548 The book hates men!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 19:39:28 2017 No.10387577 >>10387570 Lel...I dislike dudes in general too. Can’t imagine how I’d feel if they were trying to fuck me as well

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 19:57:47 2017 No.10387645 >>10387521 Why don't you greentext roberts point of view? Don't make threads without content you lazy fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:13:01 2017 No.10387708 Robert reminds me of a Woody Allen impression

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:16:35 2017 No.10387725 I don't get it. She was eating dinner with her mom and step-dad but then she tells him she lives with a roommate in a dorm? Where does she live? This isn't making narrative sense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:17:02 2017 No.10387730 >>10387521 >It was a terrible kiss, shockingly bad Only a whore would make such an observation. Also, is that an ill-considered use of a semicolon where a period would be more appropriate?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:18:44 2017 No.10387736 >>10387521 Can't get past the first 2 paragraphs. Absolute dog shit. Can someone give me a quick rundown?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:19:05 2017 No.10387737 >>10387730 Bad kisses are pretty easy to decipher. Don’t even need to be that experienced

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:21:03 2017 No.10387744

>Losing her virginity had been a long, drawn-out affair preceded by several months’ worth of intense discussion with her boyfriend of two years, plus a visit to the gynecologist and a horrifically embarrassing but ultimately incredibly meaningful conversation with her mom, who, in the end, had not only reserved her a room at a bed-and-breakfast but, after the event, written her a card.

Who does this?

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:21:49 2017 No.10387747

He's an old man with little sexual experience who crushed on a girl and overthought his standing with her to the point where he thought she really liked him. But it was only a moment for her, and she broke off with him. They met a bit later in the bar, where she took to avoid him. But he saw her, and sent her a drunk text calling her a whore. Obviously resented her for breaking up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:24:22 2017 No.10387754 >>10387730 Are you a virgin? The semi-colon is fine. Quit projecting your hatred for women.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:24:38 2017 No.10387756 >>10387744 the quote in OP had me guessing but this can't be real. the new yorker is bad but they don't actually publish drivel like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:31:16 2017 No.10387769 >>10387756 >>10387736 Are you just annoyed that it's from a woman's perspective?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:33:10 2017 No.10387775 >>10387744 imaginary girls 20-something women who write for the New Yorker think they would have been had their bitch mother not chewed them out for sucking dick when they were 15

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:33:11 2017 No.10387776 >>10387744 Spoiled western women who think one below-average sex experience is the hardship worth writing and thinking about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:35:18 2017 No.10387781 >>10387769 yes women fucking suck

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:36:23 2017 No.10387785 >>10387769 no, it's from a crazy person's perspective. next question: which one of us is pretending to be called kristen and exporting r9k princess points stories?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:36:26 2017 No.10387787 >>10387775 >>10387776 Women aren’t as brutal as you imagine them to be.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:36:48 2017 No.10387789 >>10387730 No, it's fine. It's expansion on/an explanation of the preceeding clause so textbook usage really.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:38:28 2017 No.10387791 >>10387787 I don't have to imagine

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:38:30 2017 No.10387793 Why do you keep posting this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:38:42 2017 No.10387794 >>10387785 a lot of literature is from a crazy's perspective

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:39:52 2017 No.10387796 >>10387744 After this bit, I couldn't take the story seriously anymore. I can't imagine this happening in reality.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:40:39 2017 No.10387797 >>10387794 yes, but this flavour of crazy stinks of us trying to get the new yorker to publish shit they should recognize as 4chan crazy. i call oprah and the 9000 penises on this. one of us should own up in their suicide note.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:41:37 2017 No.10387799 >>10387787 I wonder who could be behind this post.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:52:37 2017 No.10387821

>>10387730
Yeah, but really, the semi colon is almost never actually called for. People just think it looks neat, and seem intellectual, so they use it to feel cool. The only time it really works is when writing stream of conscious when you accidentally add a just-a-little-too-far removed sentence fragment after a comma, but it adds an important detail. If, I’m that scenario, rewriting the whole paragraph would interrupt the flow of things, and turning it into two short, choppy sentences is an eyesore, you may be able to get away with it.

In almost any other case other than that extremely specific scenario, you’re just being pretentious, or eagerly naive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:54:22 2017 No.10387825 >>10387521 Is the "t" in Margot silent?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 20:56:47 2017 No.10387832 >>10387821 dude i'm not the guy you're talking to, but your whole post is a sign you can't proofread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:00:15 2017 No.10387844 >>10387521 why are people talking about this stupid fuckin story so much?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:11:53 2017 No.10387879 >>10387577 poor women, honestly. no irony... so glad I am a man

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:15:12 2017 No.10387891 >>10387844 It is easy to read and justifies any man women dislike being a bad person.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:16:08 2017 No.10387899 >>10387725 She went home for the holidays you pleb

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:20:04 2017 No.10387920 >“Concession-stand girl, give me your phone number,” Do people talk like this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:21:11 2017 No.10387925 >>10387920 No. Not even socially awkward nerds talk like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:21:28 2017 No.10387928 >>10387920 Only in the minds of creatively bankrupt, spiteful women.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:21:32 2017 No.10387929 What an unnecessary ending.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:26:04 2017 No.10387943

>Margot met Robert on a Wednesday night toward the end of her fall semester. She was working behind the concession stand at the artsy movie theatre downtown when he came in and bought a large popcorn and a box of Red Vines.
>bought a large popcorn and a box of Red Vines.
>buying food at the theater
>ever
She should've known he was a faggot. She's in the wrong here for getting involved with a retard. they're both retards. They were made for each other.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:27:52 2017 No.10387951 >>10387943 >he bought crab legs, and we texted back and forth joking about crab legs

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:29:57 2017 No.10387961

>>10387736
> Girl Meets guy
> Awkwardly
> Not too awkward, but like a cringey thirteen year old kind of way
> Eventually start texting
> Go on date
> Go to bar afterword
> Girl gets carded
> lol nope
> “Wait, how the fuck old are you?”
> “Like 20, ok!” She says with tears
> It’s cool
> Go back to his place
> Hipster Man child House
> They start to fuck
> Oh God he’s hairy and slightly pudgy I’m literally going to puke
> I can’t say no now though, I literally twisted his arm to do this after he tried to white knight out of this because I had a beer
> He’s so gross though
> He notices
> “Are you a virgin?”
> Literally laugh in his face
> Have fucked so many guys
> Ones even trans now, I’m worldly and experienced despite not old enough to drink
> He’s mad
> Fuck we're fucking again
> Ugh, he’s so bad
> I can’t believe he just sad that shit, what a dweeb
> He’s being really rough though, this sucks
> Afterwords, awkwardly confesses his love to her
> “Wait, how the fuck old are you?”
> “Like 34 lol”
> Gross
> “I’m going home.”
> Ignore Him
> Roommate eventually breaks up with him for you via text
> Whatever, don’t have to worry about him anymore
> Eventually see him at bar while out with friends
> Sneak away because I’m an immature child
> He sees me anyways
> Texts me afterword
> “Whore.”

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:30:43 2017 No.10387964 >>10387951 >TFW this faggot shares the same name with based Robert. Feels bad man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:32:52 2017 No.10387975 Does it bother anyone else that she named the characters after Margot Robbie?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:35:24 2017 No.10387981 Daily reminder that Robert did nothing wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:35:30 2017 No.10387982 >>10387799 xd

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:36:09 2017 No.10387986 WITH GASOLINE

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:37:25 2017 No.10387990

Anyone else feel like this story was practically just a Seinfeld episode?

>self-absorbed main character dates caricatured weirdo.
>thinks he's just a little quirky at first but his weirdness keeps showing through.
>main character goes to comically extreme lengths to avoid being honest with weird guy.
>nobody learns anything or develops as a character.

The only thing missing was Margot sitting across from Jerry at the diner saying "And get THIS-- he couldn't even unhook my bra!" Followed by audience laughter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:37:57 2017 No.10387993 >>10387961 That's terrible. But it's really the guy's fault for loving a slut.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:40:59 2017 No.10388003 >>10387975 fuck lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:43:51 2017 No.10388016 >>10387747 yeah i felt pretty embarrassed for robert, i mean, 34 and chasing 20 year olds while having that level of experience? yikes.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:46:50 2017 No.10388028

I don't know if this was intentional on the authors part but it's clear getting with Robert was a bad idea from the start. She didn't find him physically attractive because he was fat and hunched. He didn't get her initial flirt. His texting was alternatively needy and despondent. She was cool about the whole thing until he kissed her forehead.(bitches go mad for this) She only wanted to fuck him because she was drunk. They both should have realized by the gas station incident that they weren't for one another.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:47:03 2017 No.10388029 >That part detailing how her mom practically ritualized her losing her virginity What the fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:48:47 2017 No.10388034 >>10388028 3 beers is the classic amount a girl needs to drink to say "I got a little tipsy and went home with that guy xD" while still having full cognitive function.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:49:37 2017 No.10388037

>>10388016
If anything this is a story about the state of men today. How is Robert a 34 year old with a house, a car, no girlfriend and such a loser? How is he a grown ass man who wasn't aware that he was only chasing after this girl because he kissed her forehead outside a gas station once? How did he get so clueless and bitter?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:49:46 2017 No.10388039 >>10387990 wow yeah, uncannily so

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:51:23 2017 No.10388046 >>10388037 I don't understand the significance of the forehead kiss

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:51:55 2017 No.10388049 >>10388037 >he asks, on 4chan.org

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:52:34 2017 No.10388052 >>10387990 kekku

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:53:58 2017 No.10388057

>>10388046
Well it's obvious that Margot whole disposition changed everytime he kissed her forehead. I'm just projecting for Robert but sometimes I've kissed a girl on theforehead because she was sad or it felt appropriate and then I've felt that that nurturing act has brought be closer to her even though I know I'm gonna break up with her next week.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:08:14 2017 No.10388123 http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-42307714 >Cat Person: The short story people are talking about Headline of the year right there.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:15:50 2017 No.10388150

>Decent but awkward guy hits on you
>Manipulate him and constantly feel disgusted by inconsequential things about him
>Bring up your life of whoredom and get mad when he's put off
>Lead him on to the point where he develops real feelings for you
>Ignore him and laugh about it with your friend

>Book is praised by women for illustrating the horrors the modern female has to go through

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:15:57 2017 No.10388152 >Author's experience fucking guys from /lit/

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:18:06 2017 No.10388164 File: 414 KB, 1299x1365, Screenshot (710).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Something similar actually happened to me. It's too long to greentext, so I wrote up the story and put it in the attached image.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:20:02 2017 No.10388171 >>10388123 It would be funny if new websites printed 4chan posts like they do tweets

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:21:04 2017 No.10388177 >>10388171 *news websites

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:25:41 2017 No.10388194 >>10388150 This, but she hit on him. Not because she was interested, but because she was bored and learned that men give her money when she alludes to being interested in them.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:27:46 2017 No.10388200

>>10388164
>Roughly one year ago, I signed up for Tinder
w h y
h
y

Weird story though. I fear something similar will happen to me when/if I ever lose mine. People (including girls) mockingly say they can't believe I'm still a virgin, imply there's something wrong with me.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:28:48 2017 No.10388201
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Is it true that this story was the woman's first ever story, and that it got published out of the slush pile? I've heard rumors about that, but I'm not sure it's true. That would just be fucking insulting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:30:20 2017 No.10388204 >>10388200 >if you press the buttons on a phone in the right sequence a stranger may show up and fuck you >why would you ever do that

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:31:18 2017 No.10388208 >>10387521 https://www.scribd.com/document/366773966/cate-person-lel for anyone without access to the newyorker

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:32:03 2017 No.10388211

>>10388123
Makes me happy people are talking about literature in a mainstream forum, even if it's only a New Yorker story

>>10388150
Posted this in a r9k thread, relevant:

The writing is airport paperback-tier, but the author does a good job of not making obvious which character you should root for. They both act like cunts, but you only get to really hear the narrator's side of the story. Unfortunately, she decides to cut it off on a really bad cue for Robert. I think the author knew that members of each sex would read into this detail differently, and I think it's a subtle way of pointing out that women unfairly get the last say in matters of sexual conduct.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:32:55 2017 No.10388215 >>10388037 See >>10382444

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:33:08 2017 No.10388217

>>10388200
>why

I wrote that up a while ago. As of today, it would be more like a year and a half. Obviously, I wasn't yet aware of the full extent of my issues around sexuality. There's actually a part two to the story that involves me catfishing women because I enjoy the positive attention that I get from them, but am too afraid or depressed to really meet them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:33:33 2017 No.10388218 Maybe you shouldn't have sex with people you barely know.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:35:26 2017 No.10388225

>>10388204
I want an actual relationship with a decent girl, not drunken top from some 5/10

>>10388211
I agree with your interpretation and do think the guy seemed like a loser, but what raises my eyebrow is how if you look at the tags on twitter or comments on articles, it's women saying that the narrator was perfectly fine and that the book's a commentary on how "nice guys prey on women" or some weird shit

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:35:30 2017 No.10388226

>>10388201
if you google her name she's had some nonfiction essays published around the internet for the past decade or so, she also went to harvard and teaches at a decently known university so I don't know if it was exactly just out of the slush pile

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:38:33 2017 No.10388236 >>10387990 The real redpill is that Larry and Jerry’s Judaism keys them in to the Kabbalistic metaphors that correspond to everything.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:44:21 2017 No.10388246

>>10388225
I think a lot of women have a huge block with realizing that they can be cruel to men and it's not ok just because they're women and of societal sexism. It's also apparently tough to look at your own dating and sexual past and examine how you own choices put yourself in awkward or unpleasant situations. If you're so bored or desperate that you continue to hang out with someone you view as a loser who's less than you or if you decide to have sex with someone who grosses you out and have to trick yourself into feeling attraction for then that's on you.
The author clearly intends for both characters to be read as flawed people and goes out of her way to show that it's Margot who a few times is the one who pushes for them to continue being together after Robert is ready to say goodbye after the movie and isn't expecting her to want to go home with him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:45:05 2017 No.10388248 File: 30 KB, 379x364, 1500829642431.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10387975 Oh shit didn't even think of that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:49:19 2017 No.10388255 >>10388211 If the writing's so shit how are you certain there was more intent than what people give it credit for?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:49:54 2017 No.10388257 >>10388225 I don't think the narrator was "perfectly fine," defintely didn't make great decisions, however she was a 20 year old college student and the guy was 34. So.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:50:50 2017 No.10388260 >>10387708 Have you ever watched a Woody Allen film? He would never say fuck. If he was nervous he would chatter away not be silent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:53:49 2017 No.10388267 She also wishes repeatedly in the story that one day she will have a boyfriend where she can laugh about Robert and how awkward and gross he was.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:57:35 2017 No.10388276
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>greentext robert’s point of view
Way ahead of you, it already happened to me

>"date" girl met off tinder for 1.5 years
>constantly texting each other and messaging each other with snapchat
>too cowardly to tell her that I like her
>balance on the ambiguous threshold of intimacy constantly
>only meet her in real life 3-4 times
>try to explain my coldness to her by sending her Kafka's "the ghosts won't starve, but we will perish" quote from his letters to Milena
>finally decide to tell her how I feel directly, in person
>meet up
>build up my courage all day
>night falls, we go to the beach, we lay down on the sand
>the darkness makes me less nervous
>try to confess to her why it's so hard for me to get close to people, try to apologize for being so cowardly, try to express all my deepest fears to her
>she says she's not looking to date anybody now
>waves crash against the shore
>we walk up the beach, past hundreds of young people partying by bonfires
>she goes home
>I drive home and fall asleep in a puddle of gin and vomit

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 22:59:34 2017 No.10388283

>>10388225
>I agree with your interpretation and do think the guy seemed like a loser, but what raises my eyebrow is how if you look at the tags on twitter or comments on articles, it's women saying that the narrator was perfectly fine and that the book's a commentary on how "nice guys prey on women" or some weird shit

I haven't paid much attention to the wider Internet's repsonse, but the few headlines I've read about the story confirm what you say about the general consensus Robert is a creep. I'm not surprised, though. I think it's a really great story because for whatever reason it has revealed how poorly each sex thinks of it's opposite.

>>10388255
>If the writing's so shit how are you certain there was more intent than what people give it credit for?
The prose is nothing special, I meant, which is actually in its favour because if it was a little more sophisticated for its own sake I don't think people would still be talking about it. Like I said here >>10388211 the strength of the story is that the author doesn't clearly take a side. Whatever conclusion you arrive at is solely because of the precedents you yourself bring to the table.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:02:28 2017 No.10388294 >>10387744 wypipo

CUNT Mon Dec 11 23:04:19 2017 No.10388305
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how many red flags did this bitch wade through to herself into that position?

>meet an older guy who's going to see movies by himself
>first exchange with him he's defensive and lacks interpersonal skills
>asks for my number like some kind of retarded robot
>text stupid immature in-jokes back and forth
>he has one hell of a fucking inferiority complex
>he's aloof and distant, makes me uncomfortable
>takes me to see a fucking holocaust movie unironically
>the only time he gives a shit is when i sob like a baby about stupid shit
????
>ask him to take me back to his house and fuck me
???
>it turns out he's an asshole

she literally ignored every indication, and there were a lot, that robert was a fuck-up because she was too preoccupied with how he saw her as precious or young and sexy because she's a self absorbed narcissistic bitch. the lesson i learned from this short story is women create 100% of their own problems by being retarded cunts.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:05:53 2017 No.10388311

>>10388267
imagine getting fit, becoming social, turning your life around from the incel high school/college hole so many fall into and somehow, by the grace of god, finding a girl. She empathizes with you, shares emotions with you that you could never quite put into words before, and starts to let you into her inner life. You open up, talk about your past, let the armor down. Every signal you have is that this woman is uncommonly good. A real person you couldn't imagine not caring for. Then the cunt tries to laugh with you by ridiculing a guy she once fucked's sexual inexperience and physical shape. "ohmigod he asked if I was a virgin can you believe it". You're just wondering how close you were to being that guy. Knowing you let your guard down near a person that can even think that about someone she's actively making love to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:07:16 2017 No.10388317 >>10388283 >actually in its favour Say what you want about the story nuances but the prose is fucking nauseating and honestly makes it unreadable to me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:07:33 2017 No.10388318 >>10388164 Huh. As someone who is abstinent but not otherwise very different, that's interesting to read

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:13:52 2017 No.10388329

Hey so everybody is aware that this story absolutely sympathizes with Robert's point of view, at least a little bit, right? It's told in third person for a reason, and though it dips heavily into Margot's inner thoughts, I think it tries to be semi-realistic about the fact that she is just as guilty of creating a false-identity for him as he is of her. That's what the title is all about--his cats are representative of the side of him that she doesn't get access to, that she doesn't really feel the need to engage with. She wonders about it kind of absently, but doesn't do anything about it. That's what's so significant about the title of the story.

I think the story pulls its punch a little, in a sense, by ending it with Robert's text. I think it's a story about how both of these people are both products of society that makes superficial judgments through an inadequate medium (her friend, Tamara, is absolutely representative of this) but I think the author decided to end with his text to appeal to the #metoo agenda. She tried to balance it with the title, but I don't think it was enough, in terms of the thematic success of the story.

In terms of the popular success of it though, it knocked it out of the park. Couldn't have done better.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:17:17 2017 No.10388340

everyones retarded. you dont need to pick a side in this story. you can just read and it emphasize with the TWENTY year old college girl who is fairly flawed and doesn't handle the situation the best but is certainly no villain, and the 34 year old guy who is endearing in some ways but obviously has some maturity issues of his own. there is no person entirely in the right, but i'd say robert going to the student bar at the end is pretty creepy. sucks to get rejected but it happens to just about everyone at some point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:20:11 2017 No.10388350 >>10388340 You're an idiot if you can't see the author is glomming on to the metoo stuff with that ending. This is pandering aimed at "calling out" men. It's not a story for story's sake.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:22:26 2017 No.10388353 >>10388350 it's much more nuanced than that. If you just don't accept the narrator as the protagonist it's much more ambiguous.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:25:00 2017 No.10388362

>>10388329
I don't get that as much because there is more emphasis on him being a loser from his appearance, clothing, taste in Red vines (is that a thing?), his car, his apartment, whereas we hear nothing about the state of Margot's home/dorm or appearance other than small or much about her clothing that bare descriptions.

As for the end, just texting the word "whore" is IMHO hardly some terrible thing belonging to #metoo where women have been violated. She hurt him by listening to him pour out his feelings then not responding. She hurt him so he wanted to hurt her. Two wrongs don't make a right but it doesn't give Margot a #metoo badge especially as she initiated the flirting and the sex then dump him cold without explanation like the stereotypical heartless jerk in chick lit stories.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:25:12 2017 No.10388363

>>10388353
It really isn't. You're reading the author with way more good faith than she deserves. She literally ends the story with the "nice guy" stereotype. And it only ever gained traction from women empathizing with the narrator about this creep guy. Stop over thinking it.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:25:54 2017 No.10388371

>>10387521
"Cat Person: a Synopsis"
"Cat Person" is a fictional short story written by Kristen Roupenian and published in the December 11th, 2017 issue "The New Yorker".
The events of the story follow a dumb slut name Margot, who while working in a movie theater meets some loser autistic faggot named Robert, who likes Red Vines candy because he is gay and autistic.
As their relationship develops the reader is shown that both individuals harbor unhealthy fantasies about the other. Margot believes that Robert is nice and not a loser or a male with a functioning penis, while Robert believes he is a feminist and that he is not a loser because a woman has finally talked to him.
Since Margot is a dumb slut (see third paragraph, lines three through seven) although she begins to doubt the validity of her relationship with Robert, she eventually decides to fuck him, because as she knows well, the bedroom is where women are most powerful against men. However, she comes to regret this decision as Robert is a thirty-four year old man with an average penis, excess bellyfat, and multiple personality disorders. Robert is fairly satisfied with this exchange because his dick is wetter than it was two minutes ago.
After this fuck sesh, Margot ignores Robert's text messages for a period of several days because she regrets touching his man meat. Her friend and roommate becomes annoyed at this and sends Robert a break up message, which Robert responds to despondently, like the homo he is.
Some time later the two see each other in a bar, which culminates with Robert texting Margot the next day asking why she decided to end their relationship and eventually (correctly) calling her a whore. This a powerful passage because feminism is important.
Praise be unto the vagina, from whose silken lips pass life. Amen.

~The End~

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:27:07 2017 No.10388377

>>10388340
he went there a month later not the next day. If Margot had just been upfront with him citing the age difference either it would have defused the situation and not left Robert confused or i Robert reacted badly it would have shown he truly was a creep and not someone who got hurt and tried to pathetically return that hurt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:28:03 2017 No.10388379 >>10388363 t. woman hating brainlet

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:29:21 2017 No.10388385

>>10388363
this - the real story here is how a number women responded to the story seeing themselves in victim roles like Margot despite her actions which many of them absolve her of.

They are saying "men need to read this shit" (actual quote on twitter) but they themselves refuse to look at the decision their Mary Sue Protagonist made

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:30:07 2017 No.10388388

>>10388379
I don't hate women. I think Robert was a shit person and an idiot in the story too. It also rings false because hardly anyone gets this bent out of shape over some date except the biggest spergs.

The reader is clearly meant to sympathize with Margot though. It's disingenuous to claim otherwise. It's a lame story.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:30:51 2017 No.10388390 >>10388385 Basically they proved the story right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:31:12 2017 No.10388391 >>10388371 Canonical.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:32:00 2017 No.10388395

Interesting that /lit/ took to reading into the story more than any social media platform, and have even managed to make it salvageable with qualities it doesn't have but in an entirely different and more nuanced way than any other slut or MRAfag could come up with.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:32:37 2017 No.10388397 >>10388388 >The reader is clearly meant to sympathize with Margot though Margot was written as a dumb narcissist

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:32:57 2017 No.10388401

>>10388362
You say yourself that she initiated the flirting and sex and dumped him without explanation--this is enough I think to justify what I'm talking about. She dumped him because of these judgements she made about him, without necessarily allowing herself to really understand him, or allowing him to vocalize his interiority.

And I don't think it gives Margot a #metoo badge, I just think it gives the story as a whole one, not necessarily by the author's intention. I don't think she was writing it going "aw damn this'll really hit the agenda good," I think she just knew the ending would be more powerful if it ended with the word "whore." Which is true, it definitely is, but I think it caused a lot of people to read it as if it was meant to villainize Robert, when I don't think that was really the thematic intention.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:33:33 2017 No.10388403 >>10388397 Not really. She was written as a typical 20 year old. The guy is very obviously the bad guy in the end.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:33:42 2017 No.10388404

>>10388377

why does it matter when he went? considering he had previously expressed distaste for the student bars, it seems we can say with confidence he only went to run in with her. and again, yes, she was immature and handled the situation badly. but as a man who is 14 years older and went on one date, the mature thing to do would be sad about it for a little then move on. robert obviously has his own issues.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:34:07 2017 No.10388405 >>10388397 >a dumb narcissist You could've just said woman anon. No need to be offensive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:35:39 2017 No.10388411 >fucking a 20 year old at 34 >thinking she will love you >getting pissed over one hook up Robert isn't a real character. It's a shitty strawman metoo character. No one does this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:36:42 2017 No.10388416 >>10388350 that may be true, it would be smart considering this story has given her tons of media attention. still though, i think its a fairly realistic ending. some guys do text stuff like that to girls that hurt them.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:38:32 2017 No.10388421

>>10387521
Hope no one minds me doing a little deconstructing of the story. This is more a critique for those who can't see Margot as flawed character because they see themselves in her or they are men who see her as someone who needs to be rescued from this troll.

>Margot met Robert on a Wednesday night toward the end of her fall semester. She was working behind the concession stand at the artsy movie theatre downtown when he came in and bought a large popcorn and a box of Red Vines.

“That’s an...unusual choice,” she said. “I don’t think I’ve ever actually sold a box of Red Vines before.”

I sense a fat shaming theme here with the large popcorn and licorice. I'm not up on my licorice so I'm assuming Red Vines are either cheap reflecting the antagonist's financial situation or just an unusual choice foreshadowing the antagonist's behavior.

>Flirting with her customers was a habit she’d picked up back when she worked as a barista, and it helped with tips.

So she flirts in order to get extra money. Good way to exploit the patriarchy there.

>She didn’t earn tips at the movie theatre, but the job was boring otherwise, and she did think that Robert was cute. Not so cute that she would have, say, gone up to him at a party,

Robert is wrong for not being cute enough and already being painted in a somewhat negative light to make him less sympathetic

>but cute enough that she could have drummed up an imaginary crush on him if he’d sat across from her during a dull class-though she was pretty sure that he was out of college, in his mid-twenties at least. He was tall, which she liked,

no short guys! lol!

>and she could see the edge of a tattoo peeking out from beneath the rolled-up sleeve of his shirt.

So she senses a bit of bad boy here? But the problem is:

>But he was on the heavy side,

fat shaming? I thought this was hated when men do it to women?

>his beard was a little too long,

Needlessly nitpicky

>and his shoulders slumped forward slightly, as though he were protecting something.

Or he has a war injury when he jumped on a grenade to save his buddies' lives or he broke his collar bone when his father beat him when he was a kid. She's psychoanalyzing his shoulder position as he just buys some concessions? I prefer my cashiers not to judge and assess me whilst I buy my popcorn. I'd definitely count the change I'd get back from her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:40:42 2017 No.10388427 >>10388404 as does Margot. she led the guy when he presented a number of times to go. And her utter lack of empathy to his inexperience makes her rather cruel and sympathetic.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:43:04 2017 No.10388434

>>10388404
Clearly Robert is fucked, but the thing is we have every indication that she /knew/ on some deep level that she was more emotionally mature than him, and that he was an incredibly fragile person who she could easily hurt or break. She's cognizant of this. It's why she has so much difficulty drafting a break up text. Yes, the ending drunk texts are meant to make him seem like a misogynist, but he's a misogynist in the way every 34 year old virgin necessarily is - some deep animal loathing he can't escape. He only is in the place to let that out because after seeing and acknowledging his fragility and vulnerability, she laughs in his face during sex, ghosts him, and then treats him like an unperson. Perhaps if she had the maturity to know that wouldn't be responsible, he would have taken it better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:44:10 2017 No.10388438 >>10388421 did you think this was funny when you wrote it

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:44:34 2017 No.10388440 >>10388363 >Stop over thinking it. You're on the wrong board kiddo

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:44:56 2017 No.10388443 >>10388427 sorry >rather cruel than sympathetic

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 23:47:34 2017 No.10388453

The story ultimately makes the man seem pathetic, immature, and vindictive. Where as Margot has a normal social and love-life, and is presented as more experienced and mature than a man nearly twice her age.

Normies aren't going to read Margot as cruel. Just another loser guy they can shit on.

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 00:00:03 2017 No.10388494

This story is a little weird because it seems like two (similar) stories or aims stitched together:
One being the weirdness of getting to know someone over texts and not mostly in person, dealing with how it's different when you're actually together, and then how this leads to building up false persona in those texts and also in your own head about the other person.
Second is a story about a woman initiating sex with someone she doesn't feel very attracted to and then being totally turned off and having an awful time, all the while he's oblivious and she feels too awkward to ditch the situation, suggest something other than full blown sex, guiding the sexual encounter through giving honest input, or any of the other ways a more mature person could have dealt with the situation they put themselves in and regretted.
Then the end is the culmination of both stories.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 00:20:03 2017 No.10388559 >>10387825 No. It's spoken, as in "escargot."

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 00:29:48 2017 No.10388596 the real lesson is the lack of communication on both parties but especially Margot when she ghosted him but that point has been missed in order for this to be tacked on to the #metoo hashtag which is unwarranted for Margot's situation

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 00:34:43 2017 No.10388616 >>10387781 >>10388201 >>10387990 >>10388150 .t guys who own imaginary cats >implying you can write and be published

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 00:35:06 2017 No.10388617

>>10388596
Gosh i hate when boys think i like them because i explicitly give off signals that i do but im a dumb impulsive animal, a woman, and so i slept with him to keep up my slut game and then he had the NERVE to text me asking to see me again, lol like its just sex get over it you fucking creep! rite??? im rite rite??? im rite, im rite. im rite rite?? gosh. i love being powerful

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 00:38:42 2017 No.10388632 >>10387961 > Roommate eventually breaks up with him for you via text If you let a woman like that break your heart you deserve it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 00:43:44 2017 No.10388646 >>10388371 >Praise be unto the vagina, from whose silken lips pass life. Amen. ahaha

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 00:44:58 2017 No.10388653 >>10388596 The women who relate to Margot are the ones you avoid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 00:58:50 2017 No.10388704 just read that story that's it. i'm finally going to do it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 01:05:27 2017 No.10388728 >>10388276 im so sorry. you poor baby. dont let that keep you from loving someone please. it ends up ok. but im so sorry to read this it really broke my heart for you. it must be so hard for you. just keep at it. love you anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 01:05:30 2017 No.10388729 >>10388653 This. The author has given us a new way to detect roasties- send them this story, and act accordingly based on their reaction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 01:08:41 2017 No.10388735 >>10388411 >no one does this Hmmm, try again.

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 01:31:55 2017 No.10388825
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Robert is quite clearly a strawman for the author's cautionary tale on the danger of "nice guys". Any attempt at humanizing or sympathising with his character is thrown out of the window once we get to the ending of the story. The response to it on social media is a testament to this

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 01:37:18 2017 No.10388841

>Robert did not pick up on her flirtation.

Because it sounded like an insult?

>Or, if he did, he showed it only by stepping back, as though to make her lean toward him, try a little harder. “Well,” he said. “OK, then.” He pocketed his change.

I'd check that she gave you the right change, buddy.

>But the next week he came into the movie theatre again, and bought another box of Red Vines. “You’re getting better at your job,” he told her. “You managed not to insult me this time.”
She shrugged. “I’m up for a promotion, so,” she said.
After the movie, he came back to her. “Concession-stand girl, give me your phone number,” he said, and, surprising herself, she did.

Thus begins the journey of confusion for Robert. He has a girl flirt with him then he picks up the courage to ask for her number and surprisingly she does.

>From that small exchange about Red Vines, over the next several weeks they built up an elaborate scaffolding of jokes via text, riffs that unfolded and shifted so quickly that she sometimes had a hard time keeping up. He was very clever, and she found that she had to work to impress him. Soon she noticed that when she texted him he usually texted her back right away, but if she took more than a few hours to respond his next message would always be short and wouldn’t include a question, so it was up to her to re-initiate the conversation, which she always did.

She overthinks his text behavior? Is there anything a guy can or cannot do that will not be overthought and over analyzed by our Mary Sue Protagonist?

>A few times, she got distracted for a day or so and wondered if the exchange would die out altogether, but then she’d think of something funny to tell him or she’d see a picture on the Internet that was relevant to their conversation, and they’d start up again. She still didn’t know much about him, because they never talked about anything personal, but when they landed two or three good jokes in a row there was a kind of exhilaration to it, as if they were dancing.

So the guy really wasn't making a huge effort to pursue her just enjoying the conversation? Maybe he wanted to take it slow or not be seen as pushy but for the clued-in female reader this no doubt hints at his dastardly end goal of gasp! wanting to sleep with her and have a relationship!

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 01:44:54 2017 No.10388863

>>10388164
This may be the best story I've ever seen that explains why sex with someone you don't actually care about just kinda sucks. I realize some of it is situation specific, like you prematurely ejaculating for various reasons, but the entire thing just shows all the other problems.

Having to bullshit about who you are so that you can even get that far. Her having to worry about you reporting her for rape. The fear that if you don't have some bullshit quirky hobbies she'll laugh you off. The girl being experienced and realizing that everything that makes her attracted to a guy can pretty much be faked. The mechanical nature of attraction from a guys point of view...and it working. It's all there. Good job anon, you've contributed something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 01:49:10 2017 No.10388881 >>10388728 Not the person you're responding to, but. This is the perfect combination of genuine pity and slight disgust...congratulations anon, you've really evoked some emotions today

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 01:55:51 2017 No.10388903 >>10388421 >>10388841 Reddit spacing isn't just a meme. It makes your posts illegible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 01:59:29 2017 No.10388917 File: 20 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] In answer to your original request OP: >I fucked a hot 20 year old.

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 02:00:48 2017 No.10388923

>>10388825
the response is the biggest gripe I have where a number of female readers are banding together to see Robert as the fake nice guy in order to justify treating guys like poorly.

All of the observations of flaws are mainly with Robert while very little is said about Margot's appearance, clothing, living space. It's to make the reader feel a kinship with Margot because she has little actual character while making them feel the creeping dread of Robert.

Maybe the guy's an Iraqi war veteran who saw his buddies died and it scarred him? He sees Margot as a chance to open up and get past his pain but she teases him then ghosts him without any explanation. Now he starts having the nightmares again...

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 02:04:42 2017 No.10388936

>>10388841
It's an interesting piece because I believe the author was genuinely trying to convey how she felt about the encounter. The moral of the story is that once she sees Robert as less of an authority than she is, she stops caring about him.

Women, or at least this one, are truly strange creatures. You can tell she's attracted to Robert as an authority figure. The second requisite Robert fails to meet is that he doesn't signal that he cares about her. But what's surprising is that even when he fails to banter well, or any of that, his age and perceived position over her is enough to keep her going. The reason they had sex that night was probably because she got carded, and it restored the power differential she needed.

But as soon as they had sex, she realized his power over her was non-existent. He may be older, but he doesn't have more "experience". Once his age stops being a source of power, it becomes an object of her disgust, as evidenced by the fact that its the first thing she asks about. He makes jokes about her being younger than him, and where it previously served to make her aware of her own inexperience, and thus made her feel less than Robert, now it just makes Robert that much more of an oddity...how is he this old but she's less experienced than him.

Notice furthermore that she can't actually become more powerful than Robert directly, instead it has to happen through this imaginary boyfriend she'll never have. That is, she can only resolve this tension with Robert through another man.

What's the lesson we're supposed to take away? If you're the woman, the only way to overcome your attraction to someone is to have sex with them. If you're the man, the only way to retain a woman's attraction is to never let them believe they're better than you. Or perhaps the solution is that the entire approach of this situation is wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 02:24:45 2017 No.10389027 File: 413 KB, 673x884, cat2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] roastie b-gone

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 02:35:18 2017 No.10389072

>He was very clever, and she found that she had to work to impress him. Soon she noticed that when she texted him he usually texted her back right away, but if she took more than a few hours to respond his next message would always be short and wouldn’t include a question, so it was up to her to re-initiate the conversation, which she always did.

Holy fuck! I thought when I found a sentence fragment in the New Yorker last time I read one it was a fluke, yet here we go! ANOTHER FUCKEN SENTENCE FRAGMENT:

>if she took more than a few hours to respond his next message would always be short and wouldn’t include a question

It's missing a comma after respond.

How it should read

>if she took more than a few hours to respond, his reply would always be short and wouldn’t include a question

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 02:46:03 2017 No.10389103 >>10388936 very good points. This is why if I didn't know better I would suspect it some MGTOW guy writing this under a fake female profile

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 02:46:38 2017 No.10389105 >>10387920 YOU CONCESSION SLUT. PROVIDE ME YOUR TELEPHONE CONTACT DATA

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 03:05:19 2017 No.10389156 >>10387961 tldr: Robert is a Nice Guy, Margot is shallow and kind of dumb and probably should've said no to sex but didn't because she's afraid of Nice Guy Rage.

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 03:06:01 2017 No.10389158

I think that art should be transformative; that is, by sincerely engaging with it, or by becoming invested in it, it can create an opportunity to look at yourself critically, perhaps even serving as a catalyst for introspection, change, and self-growth. This is where "Cat Person" fails. Through the character of Robert, we are presented with the full spectrum of male inadequacy, ranging from social awkwardness, to insecurity, to obesity. Robert's characterization is overwhelmingly associated with that of revulsion and disgust, well before the author sees fit to treat us with a luridly described sex scene. In the final act of the story, Robert's behavior shifts from "merely" repulsive to overtly villainous, by choosing to stalk Margot, and by calling her a whore. It is these actions, the author (and prevailing literary/social media commentary) asserts, that marks the short story as a "horror story".
But this is entirely disingenuous. While Robert's final actions certainly serve to cement his abject state to the reader, he is intended to be perceived as repulsive as soon as he is introduced. Even without the stalking and namecalling, Robert is well-established as weak and pathetic. So why are these villainous elements included? Surely not for the purposes of character development: these elements appear in the final act in of the story, where any further revelation about Robert's insecurity is both inopportune and superfluous. Prevailing authority would claim that these final parting acts of villainy serve to remind the reader that male weakness is inexorably intertwined with acts of violence and aggression. This is certainly true, to an extent, but I doubt this is the real purpose of Robert's sudden turn towards villainy. No: Robert is written to be villain so as to create a moral justification for our (and by extension, our culture's) revulsion for him. Over the course of the story, we are regaled with descriptions of male weakness, and in response we feel hatred and disgust. The story does not ask you to question these feelings: to do such a think would make us uncomfortable, it would demand change in our thoughts and behavior. The story does not want us to analyze our biases: in fact, it goes so far as to enable and justify them. "See these marginalized, awkward, weak losers? See how you hate them? That's perfectly fine! They deserve to be hated!" Under the shallow guise of social conciousness, tolerance, and feminine empowerment lies a strong reactionary core: that the revulsion we feel towards the weak are perfectly natural, and even justified, because the weak are just "evil anyways". The story does not challenge this ingrained cruelty. It merely redirects it to some arbitrary caricatured exterior. After reading "Cat Person", the very worst of your fears and suspicions will be confirmed, no reflection necessary. How convenient.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 03:16:44 2017 No.10389179 >>10389158 Not only does the story invite you to hate a weak man, but then it does you the kindness of absolving you of any guilt or cognitive dissonance for that hatred.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 03:17:22 2017 No.10389180 >>10388936 >If you're the man, the only way to retain a woman's attraction is to never let them believe they're better than you. Man, that seems like an inherent sexual dynamic that's here to stay even among those who would deny it

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 03:19:58 2017 No.10389183

>>10389179
The story would have been a lot more credible had he just been clingy and weird instead of reverting to some out of character insult, I feel if he were to lash out it would be in a different way. That's why this story annoys me, because there is so much potential

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 03:46:58 2017 No.10389245 >>10388617 Kys

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 03:58:15 2017 No.10389267 >>10389158 You're a decent essayist Bro. I would read your shit if you know what I mean

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 04:06:56 2017 No.10389284 >>10389267 >I would read your shit if you know what I mean sicko

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 04:08:52 2017 No.10389292 >>10389158 good post

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 04:23:36 2017 No.10389325 >>10387730 I've observed loads of bad kisses from girls, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 04:27:55 2017 No.10389335 >>10388305 She's 20 my man, everyone is a retard when they're 20.

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 04:31:57 2017 No.10389341

>Then, one night during reading period, she was complaining about how all the dining halls were closed and there was no food in her room because her roommate had raided her care package, and he offered to buy her some Red Vines to sustain her.
Here she seems to leading him on to make a move to do the nice guy role of buying her something to eat.

>At first, she deflected this with another joke, because she really did have to study, but he said, “No, I’m serious, stop fooling around and come now,” so she put a jacket over her pajamas and met him at the 7-Eleven.
An invitation she could have easily refused with "It's too late. I have work/study tomorrow." but she goes which would lead the guy to think she was possibly interested in him.

>It was about eleven o’clock. He greeted her without ceremony, as though he saw her every day,
Should he have greeted her with roses like a fictional romance character?Is this a complaint?

>and took her inside to choose some snacks. The store didn’t have Red Vines, so he bought her a Cherry Coke Slurpee and a bag of Doritos and a novelty lighter shaped like a frog with a cigarette in its mouth. “Thank you for my presents,” she said, when they were back outside. Robert was wearing a rabbit-fur hat that came down over his ears and a thick, old-fashioned down jacket. She thought it was a good look for him, if a little dorky;
Judging his appearance again. This might be sweet if this had a happy ending but all of this is to paint our antagonist in a negative light by the end.

>the hat heightened his lumberjack aura, and the heavy coat hid his belly
fat shaming again

>and the slightly sad slump of his shoulders.
or his war injury

>“You’re welcome, concession-stand girl,” he said, though of course he knew her name by then.
Ok, that's just dumb and cringy to call her by that name

>She thought he was going to go in for a kiss and prepared to duck and offer him her cheek, but instead of kissing her on the mouth he took her by the arm and kissed her gently on the forehead, as though she were something precious.“Study hard, sweetheart,” he said. “I will see you soon.”

So he was a gentleman? Again if this were a happy story we think good on him but this is just part of the overall evidence to present at the trial of social condemnation of his creepiness

>On the walk back to her dorm, she was filled with a sparkly lightness that she recognized as the sign of an incipient crush.
So she kind of liked him or rather she liked the feeling she got from his attention.

>While she was home over break, they texted nearly non-stop, not only jokes but little updates about their days. They started saying good morning and good night, and when she asked him a question and he didn’t respond right away she felt a jab of anxious yearning.
Thus again why Robert would think she actually liked him which is in sharp contrast to absolute loathing she held for him later.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 04:44:03 2017 No.10389362 File: 121 KB, 1023x1364, Roupenian-Fiction-QA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is the author BTW--she says her inspiration for this story was based on her personal experienced with a guy she met from the internet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 04:48:45 2017 No.10389374 >>10389158 Written like a true undergrad. barfs from second hand embarrassment and personal embarrassment from what I wrote in university

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 04:50:18 2017 No.10389379 females like margot deserve acid facing

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 05:03:19 2017 No.10389406 >>10389374 What's wrong with it

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 05:18:57 2017 No.10389445

>>10389406
It's dense in a bad way--succinctness is next to godliness--also the points you're trying to assert are all over the place: it reads like a psychopath's manifesto.

Go to ye ol' Library and sign out a textbook on "Technical Writing"--I found it surprisingly refreshing in that in teaches you to have been sentence structure than most university literature classes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 05:22:33 2017 No.10389449 >>10389445 Whoops, didn't proof read >it teaches you how to better structure your sentences--something that university literature classrooms do not do that well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 05:34:54 2017 No.10389475 >>10389445 >sign out a textbook on "Technical Writing" just any textbook on Technical Writing or do you have one in particular that you would recommend?

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 05:59:55 2017 No.10389542

>>10389475
Most will do the trick--I signed out about 3 or so. Some technical writing textbooks are better than others, you should be able to discern this for yourself.

The basic principal of technical writing is to avoid adverbs at all costs unless you can't. Always have the logic follow, the thing you are talking about must be the first thing you read about before anything else.

Simplicity and clarity are key--no room for interpretation.

Once you write within that prison of constraints--and you are allowed freedom to write however you wish; you will have new found abilities to make every word count and use words only when justifiable.

Sure, it may give the appearance that you are well read and cultured if you can spout off a bunch of pretty long words in a row, but it takes a good writer to use them sparingly and only when it is called for.

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 06:02:02 2017 No.10389549

>>10389335
It isn't an issue with the text, it's an issue with the predominant interpretation of the text: that Margot's experience is representative of systemic sexism, she's a victim, etc.
I don't know. It personally irks me because I initiated a very damaging relationship when I was 21. I dated a girl without considering any of the red flags which were repeatedly flown in front of my face. While it was a different dynamic (I was the "nice guy" codependent, she was narcissist), it made me appreciate the worth of reflecting without victimizing or demonizing the parties involved.

The fact of the text is that Margot is a dysfunctional narcissist, and Robert is equally dysfunctional - in a less predatory manner. While she has every right to fuck up as a young person, it's very odd that people are predominately identifying with Margot in a way that vindicates her character as a victim. People are less interested in real empathy than they are in a tribalist form of empathy (which manifests as active and passive forms of perpetual vengeance).

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 06:09:04 2017 No.10389571 >>10389542 Thanks for the help, I sincerely appreciate it. If you have the time, can you give me some examples of how I fucked up in >>10389158? I'm trying to write a second draft that's a little more lucid.

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 06:13:50 2017 No.10389583

>and when eventually he did ask her to go to a movie she agreed right away.
Here again she is showing that interest leading our antagonist on.

>The movie he wanted to see was playing at the theatre where she worked, but she suggested that they see it at the big multiplex just outside town instead; students didn’t go there very often, because you needed to drive.
>Robert came to pick her up in a muddy white Civic with candy wrappers spilling out of the cup holders.
Now she's judging his car? He has one, she doesn't. And what about those candy wrappers? Oh no! Has she ever ridden in another girl's car? For some of them their car is like a mobile purse.
Also fat shaming again.

>On the drive, he was quieter than she’d expected,
Uh, because he's driving?
>and he didn’t look at her very much.
Because he's a cautious driver who keeps his eyes on the road? Sheesh! She's judging his driving behavior now.
>Before five minutes had gone by, she became wildly uncomfortable, and, as they got on the highway, it occurred to her that he could take her someplace and rape and murder her; she hardly knew anything about him, after all.
Well, that got dark
>Just as she thought this, he said, “Don’t worry, I’m not going to murder you,” and she wondered if the discomfort in the car was her fault, because she was acting jumpy and nervous, like the kind of girl who thought she was going to get murdered every time she went on a date.
>“It’s O.K.—you can murder me if you want,” she said, and he laughed and patted her knee.
Would a guy really say this in this situation? Is the author trying to oversell the "he's creepy!" bit?

>But he was still disconcertingly quiet,
Jesus! Maybe the guy is concentrating on the road! Maybe he had a bad day at work! Did she think to ask him?
>and all her bubbling attempts at making conversation bounced right off him.
>>At the theatre, he made a joke to the cashier at the concession stand about Red Vines, which fell flat in a way that embarrassed everyone involved, but Margot most of all.
Now this is just lazy writing. How did the joke fall flat and what was it exactly? Why would everyone involved be embarrassed? How was Margot embarrassed? Once again she is judging him harshly. He may be shy in public but was trying to be sociable for her sake.
>At the theatre, he made a joke to the cashier at the concession stand about Red Vines, which fell flat in a way that embarrassed everyone involved, but Margot most of all.
Now this is just lazy writing. How did the joke fall flat and what was it exactly? Why would everyone involved be embarrassed? How was Margot embarrassed? Once again she is judging him harshly. He may be shy in public but was trying to be sociable for her sake. And where did the witty guy who was texting her go? There isn't consistent with his character

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 06:31:36 2017 No.10389623

>>10389158

That's actually a really good analysis of it. The guy isn't sympathetic as a character because he's a loser, plain and simple. The stalking/name-calling at the end is a complete cop-out; there's nothing wrong with Margot not being attracted to an ugly autist, and if the story had ended with the break up message and Roberts response it would had been an ordinary story about two people who don't know what they want. Robert's stalking and calling Margot a whore allows the reader to wrap things neatly up and dispel any doubts stirred up by the prior ambiguity of the text. It's a pity, because instead of getting a decent discussion about the imbalances and illusions of modern, social media driven hookup culture, we just get dumb retards #meetoo-ing about imagined persecution

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 06:32:49 2017 No.10389625 File: 59 KB, 800x450, fuck.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10388164 >I felt awful dancing around these questions since the truth is I don't (or didn't) have any hobbies beside my schoolwork and browsing a white supremacist anime website

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 06:38:17 2017 No.10389632 >>10389571 The whole thing needs a revamp--the tone too unsettles me. Also--too much bias and emotionally charged words/rhetoric. Wait until you're off your period to write.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 06:38:37 2017 No.10389633 >>10388164 hahahahahahahah

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 06:47:03 2017 No.10389652

>>10389623
Exactly; "Cop out" is a good way of putting it. The story just really disappointed me. It seemed like it actually came close to challenging the reader but then took a left turn and ended by reinforcing all of the reader's pre-existing beliefs.
As it stands, the story is kind of like a freak show: it points at this traditionally marginalized section of society and explains why your hatred and mockery is justified.
But then again, I just used the word "marginalized", and it seems like this is one of the central issues about the response to the story. A lot of progressive feminist type people go into the story with the belief that beta males/nice-guys are just these predatory masses of privilege, while simultaneously thinking that Margot is an oppressed victim. Likewise, 4chan people go in sympathizing with Robert and thinking that Margot is a dumb roastie. But I think both of these positions are stupid, because both try to compress the complexities and ambiguities of identity and relationships into reified oppressor/victim dynamics.
In my original comment, I said that underneath the story's progressive veneer was a reactionary core. This is kind of funny, because I myself am politically reactionary, so I didn't necessarily mean it as a criticism. It seems hypocritical to profess an opposition to cruelty while simultaneously justifying it against selective targets

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 06:47:32 2017 No.10389654 >>10388164 THAZ FAKE....but entertaining none-the-less. I wish it didn't end on such a sour note, especially considering how funny it started.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 06:55:47 2017 No.10389675 >>10388164 I love the sociopathic candidness of this, it's a fascinating read. It's as if it were written not by you, but by a third party with a clipboard standing behind a one-way mirror. All things considered, she handled it like a champ.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 06:57:04 2017 No.10389680 >>10389445 I thought his strongest point was that he got his point across very clearly, you seem to think the opposite Weird how this shit works

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 07:01:24 2017 No.10389691

>>10389632

Your criticisms are so fucking empty and meaningless. It's an essay you pseud, not a paper. Have you read an essay before, Nigger? His language is more than fitting and the subjectivity was one of his strong points.

Also I feel like a complete fag for whiteknighting so hard for this anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 07:02:56 2017 No.10389696 >>10389680 I agree with that anon's criticism as a student who finished a similarly cluttered undergraduate paper a few hours ago. His argument is clear; it's the structure of the sentences that is pointlessly complex. I like dashes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 07:03:21 2017 No.10389697 >>10389675 Agree. What a great girl. Shame anon goofed so hard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 07:04:45 2017 No.10389702 >>10389696 Take your clothes off and let me B your M

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 07:17:49 2017 No.10389732 >>10388371 Thank you for your service

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 07:17:50 2017 No.10389733 >>10388164 Great read, solid 7/16

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 07:24:15 2017 No.10389748 >>10389027 link to the thread where this OC was made?

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 07:27:24 2017 No.10389753

>During the movie, he didn’t hold her hand or put his arm around her,
yet later she would be upset he did touch her
>so by the time they were back in the parking lot she was pretty sure that he had changed his mind about liking her.
He might have thought the same since she didn't make any signs that she wanted to be held.
>She was wearing leggings and a sweatshirt, and that might have been the problem. When she got into the car, he’d said, “Glad to see you dressed up for me,” which she’d assumed was a joke, but maybe she actually had offended him by not seeming to take the date seriously enough, or something. He was wearing khakis and a button-down shirt.
This seems highly unrealistic as most guys really don't care what a girl wears especially if it's only to go to the movies.

>“So, do you want to go get a drink?” he asked when they got back to the car, as if being polite were an obligation that had been imposed on him.
>It seemed obvious to Margot that he was expecting her to say no and that, when she did, they wouldn’t talk again. That made her sad, not so much because she wanted to continue spending time with him as because she’d had such high expectations for him over break, and it didn’t seem fair that things had fallen apart so quickly.
It may be because Robert got the feeling Margot wasn't interested in him especially after the joke fiasco.
>“We could go get a drink, I guess?” she said. “If you want,” he said. “If you want” was such an unpleasant response that she sat silently in the car until he poked her leg and said, “What are you sulking about?” “I’m not sulking,” she said. “I’m just a little tired.”
And she lies.
>“I can take you home.”
He's willing to pull the cord on this whatever this at this point
>“No, I could use a drink, after that movie.”
Instead she makes him continue this uncomfortable farce which no doubt leaves him further confused if she likes or doesn't like him.
>Even though it had been playing at the mainstream theatre, the film he’d chosen was a very depressing drama about the Holocaust, so inappropriate for a first date that when he suggested it she said, “Lol r u serious,” and he made some joke about how he was sorry that he’d misjudged her taste and he could take her to a romantic comedy instead.
Again I have to call bullshit here. Very few guys even nerdy film buffs are going to take a girl to a depressing drama especially about the Holocaust. Most of them might choose the wrong film but it's more likely going to be either something in the action vein or sci-fi or horror. The idea of this character doing this really stretches the suspension of disbelief but the point is to make Robert a strange person so the author is actually willing to throw in the Holocaust to make us dislike the weird Robert even more so.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 07:51:55 2017 No.10389805 >>10389072 question of style, not grammar. self-defensive much?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 08:06:24 2017 No.10389830 File: 16 KB, 204x158, 5F46EF71-D759-49E4-8C7A-1B98A451498C.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why hasn’t anyone complained about the author’s vocal fry in the audio version

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 08:07:44 2017 No.10389832

>>10387521
If you think about it logically, women really are gross creatures. They're cum receptacles with fishy fuckholes that bleed spontaneously every month for a week, and they eat with the same mouth they swallow urine and cum in and expect to be kissed there. Also, the moment a woman is naked all her allure and mystery is gone and shes just a nervous awkward fucktoy with lopsided breasts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 08:13:20 2017 No.10389843 >>10387537 It's someone hired to generate clicks for a shitty article. Being posted on every board. Report it as spam and move on.

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 08:21:42 2017 No.10389870

>>10387521
This story is fine. Really not much different than any New Yorker story - good enough, but nothing remarkable.

Real problem is the idea that fiction is anything other than fairy stories. Reading is not transformative and shouldn't be expected to be. Normative messages in fiction are always esoteric - hearable only to those already listening. "Men need to read this srsly" is no different than "roasties need to think!" How about you all argue about star trek canon instead?

See Baldwin's notes on a Native Son.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 08:24:21 2017 No.10389881 It feels like it was an essay turned in to a story.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 08:29:13 2017 No.10389900 >>10389881 Thanks Slate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 08:36:11 2017 No.10389920 File: 183 KB, 361x361, 8923FD58-C9CE-4CB5-B1AF-70F40E6794CF.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just wanted Margot to change my life. Was dat so much to ask?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 08:36:19 2017 No.10389921 >>10389654 >THAZ FAKE I wish it didn't happen, but it did. My life is a dark comedy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 08:58:13 2017 No.10389978 I re-wrote the entire thing from the perspective of Robert desu https://pastebin.com/hgCS1hbr

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 08:59:25 2017 No.10389980 File: 34 KB, 542x344, C9R3qwDXoAAL2bl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10387920

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 09:00:43 2017 No.10389983 Holy fuck, I think I dated this broad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 09:03:30 2017 No.10389989 >>10389691 >Also I feel like a complete fag for whiteknighting so hard for this anon. As you should.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 09:09:02 2017 No.10390006 >>10389978 >Mr Usurioustein you made it

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 09:11:57 2017 No.10390017 >>10389830 Oh holy fucken shit---I didn't notice the audio play button. This is fucken awful I want her to be murdered.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 09:15:36 2017 No.10390025 >>10388164 are you a schizoid

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 09:37:26 2017 No.10390086 bamp

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 09:41:23 2017 No.10390099 >>10388164 This was stupid and pointless but short enough to be an ok read

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 09:43:51 2017 No.10390104 >>10390025 Never been diagnosed because I don't trust psychiatrists, but it seems probable. The only sticking point is that I care immensely what other people think of me, if only for purely selfish reasons.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 09:45:01 2017 No.10390106 >>10390104 You're not a schizoid. You just suffer from terminal autism

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 09:51:31 2017 No.10390129 >>10390104 read the Bible

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 09:59:06 2017 No.10390146 >>10389158 I haven't thought about it that way, removing the ending I mean. Good post, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 09:59:26 2017 No.10390149 >>10389832 t. Robert

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 10:03:19 2017 No.10390158 >>10390106 I am actually confirmed not autistic. Was tested in school.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 10:05:01 2017 No.10390162 >>10390158 I mean meme autism not actual autism. There's nothing actually wrong with you that isn't wrong with millions of other guys

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 10:19:41 2017 No.10390200 >>10390158 Not to get all sex junk on you, but autism is a spectrum and everyone is on it. The fact that other anon's joke was lost on you is all the proof I needed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 10:23:55 2017 No.10390210 >>10388164 >when robot anon from pol has better prose than the new yorker dorothy parker might have been wrong about the suicide thing in resume but it's been down hill since her

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 10:28:09 2017 No.10390222

>>10389881
she said it was based off of the difference between talking to someone online and then how the dynamic is different in person, going by her age (late 30s) this either happened very early on AIM or message boards or, much more likely, when she was a grown adult and not a 20 year old
I wonder how different the reaction to this story would be if the main character had been 30 or even 25.
also, >>10388494

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 10:40:37 2017 No.10390251 Pretty bad short story but that's not saying much for a rag like the New Yorker. Kind of reads like irony shit about some dumb whore but the author apparently doesn't have the self awareness to pull that off

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 10:42:56 2017 No.10390254 >>10390251 Robot Robert detected.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 10:48:07 2017 No.10390267 >>10390254 Menstrual Margot sighted.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 10:53:41 2017 No.10390285 >>10390267 Margot >still young >popular >great career ahead >physically attractive >socially experienced Robert >almost 35 >inexperienced >no friends >socially awkward >ugly

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 10:56:05 2017 No.10390293 >>10390200 You don't get to declare that something's a 'spectrum' just to implicate everybody else in your disability, you little freak.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 10:57:01 2017 No.10390296 >>10390254 Maybe that wasn't clear enough for you. Irony shit about two cartoonishly revolting people. Happy now?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 10:58:16 2017 No.10390301 >>10390296 >two cartoonishly revolting people lol always have to drag the woman down too huh. Look in the mirror once in the while bud.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 11:01:55 2017 No.10390324 They both suck in different ways, and not really in the ways you children have been primed to notice and assess. Kinda tired of the battle of the sexes trope desu.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 11:04:50 2017 No.10390338 >>10390285 >wanting either If by great career you mean her Tao Lin tier story, you're going to get stuck in an awful suburban hell of your own making. www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0NxhFn0szc

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 11:11:19 2017 No.10390369 >>10387791 Edgy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 11:13:50 2017 No.10390380 >>10390293 It's the problem of universals meets sorites paradox. Nigger.

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 11:19:22 2017 No.10390395

>>10387787
Entirely not true. Woman are essentially a hivemind which, once offended, turns on the individual who is now trespassing in their territory. But lacking physical strength they rely on rumour, gossip and conjecture to shame the man away from their fellow hive-dwellers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 11:25:38 2017 No.10390413 >>10389325 Which makes you a whore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 11:26:40 2017 No.10390419 >>10389362 [{<roupenian]))>

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 11:38:52 2017 No.10390447 >>10387789 No anon, semicolons are evil, always just use the master race period.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 12:18:03 2017 No.10390606 File: 127 KB, 645x729, b90.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10390395 How many grills u ever talk to

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 12:32:13 2017 No.10390669

>thot manipulates and sexually humiliates an insecure loser for idle amusement
>thot is a woman, so her emotions absolve her from any responsibility for her immoral behavior
>when insecure loser finally realizes he's been had and calls her out, thot feigns victimhood
>story is written in whiny womanish uptalk (narration sounds more like dialogue, dialogue sounds like that of a sitcom), prose equivalent of vocal fry
>emphasis placed on casual realism and mass commercial appeal rather than beauty or even entertainment
>sprinklings of trendy progressive attitudes and simpering faggot sarcasm abound
>main character/writer (can't remember their names) have since been embraced by the twitter brahmin as martyr-icons
>all-in-all, story isn't much more than a big sloppy ode to female resentment, and I deeply regret having wasted my time reading and thinking about it

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 12:53:43 2017 No.10390734 >>10389830 lmao, confirmed for thot

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 13:58:58 2017 No.10391028

>>10390380

No it's not, you silly dweeb. It's an organization of namby-pamby faggots trying to re-rig our language and conceptual schemes to make you feel better about being a dysfunctional cunt. You could posit an 'autism spectrum', but what that indicates is a range of behavioral patterns unique to a SUBSET of the population, not everyone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 14:50:27 2017 No.10391290 >>10391028 t. guy that argues about how not autistic he is on 4chan

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 15:32:00 2017 No.10391487 >>10387756 It’s real anon. No memes, that’s an actual quote from the short story.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 16:35:18 2017 No.10391801 >>10387744 The bed and breakfast is too farfetched but everything else seems something I'd believe based on the girls and families I grew up around.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 16:49:29 2017 No.10391870 >>10387521 https://www.newyorker.com/books/this-week-in-fiction/fiction-this-week-kristen-roupenian-2017-12-11 Just in case anyone thought this story had anything more to it than #MeToo

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 16:59:00 2017 No.10391923 >>10388164 Very good read, much better than Cat Person.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 07:39:53 2017 No.10391923,1 [INTERNAL]

>>10389632

Reading this comment chain that you started here >>10389374 it seems obvious that you weren't engaging in any sort of honest critique of the anon's analysis, and were instead buttblasted about an analysis of a piece that you were ideologically invested in. You couldn't even muster together any sort of substantive counter-critique with concrete examples, and relied on generalities, e.g. "read a book" or "ur emotional". You should be less embarrassed of your alleged undergrad writing, than your ability to think and write in the present. Clearly, your education wasn't worth it. reddit or tumblr might be more suited to a soyboy like yourself.

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