/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.9908167]

Why are a lot of good writers communist and atheist?

[Anonymous No.9908172]

Their minds are liberated

[Anonymous No.9908176]

>>9908167
Because it's whats right :^)

Depends on your definition of good writer, but maybe it's because they see everything from all different angles and just decide that's what they thought was best?

Just my thought

[Anonymous No.9908193]

>>9908167
camus was a commie?

[Anonymous No.9908195]

>>9908193
All I know is he was part of some Communist group?

[Anonymous No.9908197]

Name literally one (1)

[Anonymous No.9908199]

It is trendy
>>9908193
He was, but eventually he started rejecting all grand narratives (see L'homme révolté)

[Anonymous No.9908200]

>>9908197
Ernest Hemingway :^)

[Anonymous No.9908203]

>>9908200
I thought we were talking about good writers, if you mention any Americans again I will just close the thread and stop replying as I'll know that you are clearly not serious.

[Anonymous No.9908204]

>>9908203
Hey Lovecraft is pretty good. Not him btw.

[Anonymous No.9908209]

>>9908203
Nice comma splice.

[Anonymous No.9908258]

>>9908172
this.
generally, good artists are too sensitive and well educated to be hold back by conservatism or religion.

[Anonymous No.9908260]

>>9908195
>>9908199
>>9908193
He had a very serious and public falling out with the french manlet goblin tailor over how shit he though communism was after the truth came out so it's very disingenuous of OP to describe suave sexy, Pied-Noir come-in-me Camus as a commi

[Anonymous No.9908354]

Because writers have big imaginations, like believing communism could actually work.

[Anonymous No.9908381]

>>9908258
You understand that this opinion you stated has been implanted inside of your head by the western education system, right? By repeating it, you are repeating the system's slogan, like saying "ignorance is strength," and thinking you are the enlightened one when you are really the slave. You are the slave, get it?

[Anonymous No.9908391]

>>9908203
wew nice bait

[Anonymous No.9908396]

I hope you're not implying camus was talented because he was a hack fraud.

[Anonymous No.9908397]

>>9908354
That pic from Russia? Haven't seen many of those.

[Anonymous No.9908410]

A lot of good writers are anything. Not to sound sentimental, or to try and project perennial superstition onto reality, but art is human expression, and I don't think there are many philosophical, political or religious attachments that deprive people of their humanity. One of the nice things about literature is its absolute multiformity.

Maybe I'm putting the cart before the horse. People with artistic temperaments probably gravitate toward certain social objects. Most people with artistic temperaments are probably not very good artists though. Good writers always seem to defy stereotype and blank categorisation.

[Anonymous No.9908412]

is this true?

[Anonymous No.9908418]

>>9908412
Reagan never said anything true

[Anonymous No.9908428]

>>9908418
>If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.
baka get your ideology addled brain out of here

[Anonymous No.9908440]

>>9908428
Why are Americans so untolerant and medieval?

[Anonymous No.9908456]

>>9908440
Life was better when the average life expectancy was 30 and we all lived to kill the fucker indebted to the next lord over

[Anonymous No.9908458]

>>9908440

Spooktastic.

[Anonymous No.9908462]

>>9908167
communist atheist here
idk

[Anonymous No.9908465]

>>9908381
1984 is a criticism of authoritarianism.

[Anonymous No.9908477]

>>9908462
>communist atheist here
I can't wait until trump makes it legal to hunt you """""""people""""""""

[Anonymous No.9908485]

>>9908477
wow
im not even american too tho

[Anonymous No.9908489]

>>9908465
And?

[Anonymous No.9908790]

>>9908197
>>9908203
>still hasn't been answered
Well I guess that proves that wrong.

[Anonymous No.9908800]

They arent atheists like fedoras but rather they realize their god hood and manifest their visualizations from the spiritual realm onto the physical plain.

[Anonymous No.9908807]

>>9908204
>Hey Lovecraft is pretty good.

Lovecraft is an overrated, over written lunatic that only freshman still jack to

[Anonymous No.9908830]

>>9908193
>>9908195
>>9908197

Camus might not have been a commie, but he was literally Antifa. He was editor-in-chief of Combat, the Resistance newspaper, which was also Left anti-Stalinist.


> Loyal to its origins, Combat tried to become the place of expression for those who believed in creating a popular non-Communist Left movement in France. In July 1948 (more than a year after the May 1947 crisis and the expulsion of the Communist Party (ministers) from the government), Victor Fay (de), a Marxist activist, took over Combat 's direction, but he failed to stop the newspaper's evolution towards more popular subjects and less political information.

Hehe, (ministers), more like (((ministers))). Anyway, go Camus, vive antifascisme.

[Anonymous No.9908838]

>>9908167
middlebrow hacks tend to be atheist, good ones rarely

[Anonymous No.9908840]

>>9908830
>good

[Anonymous No.9908850]

They aren't. There are none, actually. Gaymoo is a terrible writer.
>>9908465
Communism and atheism are authoritarian.

[Anonymous No.9908870]

>>9908830
>against facism
>non-communist
i can dig it.

[Anonymous No.9908877]

Camus is nowhere as good as the French fascist and monarchist writers during the XXth century.

Barrès, Bloy, Maurras, L. Daudet, Ghéon, Péguy, Claudel, Céline, Châteaubriant, Bernanos, Morand, Chardonne, Drieu, Bonnard, Rebatet, Giono, Montherlant, Aymé, Nimier and the Hussards, Dominique de Roux
even Proust wasn't a commie shit

[Anonymous No.9908911]

>>9908428
Surprisingly accurate statement in the light of recent purging of historical monuments by Antifa & alt-Left in the USA

[Anonymous No.9908932]

>>9908167
What do you mean by a lot? I can't think of a single one.

[Anonymous No.9908938]

>>9908167
More like there are almost no centrist writers and philosophers. Before WW2 it was 50/50 on reacrionaries and revolutionaries regarding the intellectual class. You are too unerudite to klnow this.

[Anonymous No.9910016]

>>9908911
Please keep your alt right hate speech off of /lit/ before the site gets shut down

[Anonymous No.9910160]

>>9908381
>You understand that this opinion you stated has been implanted inside of your head by the western education system, right?

What a fucking meme. Most of my professors are liberals who believe in the "failure of the communist project."

[Anonymous No.9910174]

>>9908911
>historical monuments

Erected in the late sixties to intimidate advocates of the civil rights movement.

>alt-Left

See image enclosed. Your Limbaugh memes are transparent. I hope for your sake that you are simply shitposting.

[Anonymous No.9910207]

>Communist
sure
>Atheist
fuck off, this is a christian board

[Anonymous No.9910209]

>>9908167
As a probable commie and definite agnostic I'll say that anybody who rejects religion but doesn't understand the purpose of it (which is most atheists) is probably going to be shit at anything arts-related.

[Anonymous No.9910237]

Why are a lot of good writers in the mfing nazbol gang?

[Anonymous No.9910244]

>>9910237
Name four

[Anonymous No.9910246]

>>9908193
In The Rebel, he described himself as anarcho-syndicalist.

[Anonymous No.9910267]

>>9910244
Eduard Limonov
Ernst Junger
Lovecraft
W.B Yeats

[Anonymous No.9910273]

>>9910267
>any of these
>nazbol

[Anonymous No.9910274]

>>9908877
>He's bad because I disagree with his political views

Shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.9910279]

>>9910273
The first one literally founded the NazBol party.

[Anonymous No.9910284]

>>9910279
>one of Putin's stoogies
>nazbol
i'm truly honored that a russian shill would grace us on 4chan

[Anonymous No.9910294]

>>9910284
Whether or not Limonov is still a proper NazBol doesn't change the fact that at one point he founded and led the NazBol party which has since been banned by Putin.

[Anonymous No.9910330]

>>9910294
>thinking it wasn't a meme party designed to group together opposition in an easily visible bubble

[Anonymous No.9910341]

>>9910330
Still NazBol

[Anonymous No.9910348]

>>9910341
>proud member of a meme ideology designed to identify political opponents
unironically intellectually cucked to hell and back

[Anonymous No.9910356]

>>9910348
That describes every ideology really.

[Anonymous No.9910370]

>>9910356
>every other ideology is just useful opposition so it's totally okay for me to do the same
Sure thing senpai ;^)

[Anonymous No.9910382]

>>9910370
Well they were invented by the Jews but NazBol wasn't.

[Anonymous No.9910402]

>>9910382
>muh pure uncorrupted ideology
nazbol is the new meme ideology that's replaced libertarianism i see. at least it's not autistic enough to spam 4chan with stupid, vacuous infographics.

[Anonymous No.9910404]

>>9908850
>atheism is authoritarian
Why are christfags so fucking stupid?

[Anonymous No.9910407]

>>9910402
As you said it was invented by Putin and he's a goy.

[Anonymous No.9910408]

>>9910404
why are fedoras in such deep denial?

[Anonymous No.9910426]

>>9910407
>a shabbos goy has never existed
yesssss goyim good

[Anonymous No.9910441]

The writers personality tends to be pretentious and skeptical in some ways... That's why SOME of them are atheist reds fags.

[Anonymous No.9910444]

>>9908381
You understand that this opinion you stated has been implanted inside of your head by the western education system, right? By repeating it, you are repeating the system's slogan, like saying "ignorance is strength," and thinking you are the enlightened one when you are really the slave. You are the slave, get it?

Also kys

[Anonymous No.9910452]

>>9908396
Who isn't a hack fraud to you? And what do you think makes your special or intelligent enough to come to that conclusion?

[Anonymous No.9910471]

>>9910408
Atheism itself isn't even an ideology. How the fuck can it be authoritarian?

[Anonymous No.9910478]

They're very obstinate and stick like glue to the first conclusion they ever make.

[Anonymous No.9910496]

>>9910471
>atheism
>not an ideology
either a mindless fedora or a shoddy shill

[Anonymous No.9910550]

>>9910496
Atheism is nothing more than the rejection or absence of theistc beliefs, specifically the belief of the existence of a deity or dieties. Explain to me how that is in any way ideological.

[Anonymous No.9910558]

>>9910550
Fedora pls go, this is a christian board

[Anonymous No.9910559]

>>9910452
go back to r/books

[Anonymous No.9910571]

>>9910558

[Anonymous No.9910581]

>>9910571
Because fedora tier statements like that are generally accompanied by a religious devotion to scientism or whatever political ideology (technocracy, futurism, socialism, etc) the fedora adheres to. Stating "atheism is just the rejection/absence of theistic beliefs" is as accurate as stating "islam is just the rejection/absence of pagan beliefs" it's half the story, only describing it in the negative terms when there is another shoe waiting to drop of what positive beliefs it has.

[Anonymous No.9910587]

>>9910559
>le fedora meme

Good one. Leave this board. You're obviously retarded. Go read baby's first Camus before you open your wittle mouth.

[Anonymous No.9910600]

>>9910587
I didn't mention the fedora that triggered you so badly (no doubt because you bear great resemblence to the archetypal photos of beta fedora clad males)

learn to read before you reply to me you fag

[Anonymous No.9910639]

>>9910581
>atheists associate themselves with ideologies that are compatible with atheism, therefore atheism is an ideology

[Anonymous No.9910651]

>>9910639
associating with an ideology is not the same as zealously evangelizing a political ideology

[Anonymous No.9910660]

>>9910639
>>9910651
It's all ideology lads

[Anonymous No.9910670]

>>9910660
Zizek go back to your trashcan

[Anonymous No.9910678]

>>9910600
It's because the "le fedora tip" retort is for pseuds who are too retarded to understand the author or position they're denouncing.

That is who you are. So again, leave this board. Go learn something. And then return.

[Anonymous No.9910683]

>>9910246
You'd have to quote that because I read it this year and don't recall him ever describing himself. So seriously, anti up or make me reread that book just to refute you. Which I will gladly do. It's such a good book.

[Anonymous No.9910687]

>>9910683
>anti up

[Anonymous No.9910691]

>>9908167
Because atheists aren't terrified of questioning ideas.

[Anonymous No.9910694]

>>9910683
It's in the last section after he tears into communism. More or less he just expresses hope for anarcho syndicalism succeeding where communism fails

[Anonymous No.9910700]

>>9910651
"Zealously evangelizing a political ideology" is not a doctrine within atheism.

[Anonymous No.9910703]

>>9910691
/thread

Wow. Took 86 retards before we arrived at the actual answer.

[Anonymous No.9910707]

>>9910678
it's because you're a dipshit. If you were ever to speak to me like that in real life I would mash your fat face into jello

[Anonymous No.9910743]

Is anyone else tired of Marxism? Like yeah Marx was a smart guy, and he wrote a lot of good literature, but it's pretty clear after the nightmare of the Soviet Union (regardless of whether that was true Marxism) that it's never going to elevate the worker. I mean, honestly, how fucking sad is it that the most successful element of the left in the past quarter-century has been the social democrats, who are basically the fucking useless carebears of left thinking. Even the term of "the Left" has been turned into a punchline for reactionaries to laugh at, and why? Because, we've spent the last century jerking off some fucking kraut that's been dead for one hundred and fifty years and pretending that making cute little drawings of pigs could make up for its failings.
We are barrelling towards what could be the greatest moment that the left has ever had and we have no game plan whatsoever. At least we can draw little pigs in the sand though when we're all in re-education camps.

[Anonymous No.9910757]

>>9910700
And yet they almost always coincide with each other.

[Anonymous No.9910769]

>>9910757
Actually, I have never seen them not coincide with each other. The only other time in which I haven't seen an atheist also shilling for his heaven on earth political ideology is because they're spreading the gospel of atheism itself and trying to convert people to lack of belief, as awkwardly phrased as that is.

[Anonymous No.9910787]

>>9910694
I'm sorry, but I don't think he necessarily endorses your cause, considering the project of the book is no where a declaration of any politics, otherwise he would have written a manifesto with declarative statements to attack Communist - who, by the way, where people like him that started out as rebels opposed to Nazi control. What this turned into is the fucking point of the book. So how about saying, not only is this book not a declaration of his being an anarcho syndicalist, but it also tries to speak directly to those who lack foresight and an over abundance of courage.

[Anonymous No.9910804]

>>9910787
Hey there buddy, my pal, maybe think about cooling down, guy? I was just trying to provide the section of the book where the poster you were replying to was drawing from. Like you I do not think that Camus wrote the book as a positive endorsement of any belief as he did with the Myth of Sisyphus, rather I think it was much more directed as a critique of authoritarian movements as a whole. It's just a very small section in which he gets self reflective of his disillusionment with the communist movement and tries to look for a more satisfactory system, though he does not get anywhere close to a concrete endorsement.

[Anonymous No.9910844]

Most good writers aren't commies or atheists. Good writers that are commies are much rarer than ones that are atheists.

[Anonymous No.9910861]

>>9910757
>>9910769
It's nice to know that the only atheists you've ever interacted with are militant ideologues, but that's besides the point. Atheism by itself is not an ideology because it does not have any fundamental ideals or doctrine, which is the entire fucking point of an ideology.

[Anonymous No.9910879]

>>9910861
Your offbrand, lite new atheism doesn't, no, but that's only because you lack conviction for any actual conclusions to be drawn from your philosophy.

[Anonymous No.9910884]

>>9910707
>being this meatheaded

Thank you for continuing to prove my point.

[Anonymous No.9910894]

>>9910550
>muh ideology is not an ideology because muh ideology says so
Read a book brainlet

[Anonymous No.9910917]

>>9910550
On what basis do you reject the existence of a deity if not ideological one, given that atheists tend to distance itself from faith and see themselves more grounded in "reality", the only honest attitude would be agnosticism or apatheism

[Anonymous No.9910960]

>>9910861
What you don't seem to understand is that those other ideologies these people tend to adhere to are a direct result of seeing the world through their atheistic lenses , which is how ideology works, for something not to be ideological it needs to be transcendent from personal thought and unable to influence your personal world view in any sense, your definition of an ideology reminds me of the "taxation is theft" meme from lolbertarians, they just stop there and never go into considering the nature of property in the first place. no one is "just" an atheist, otherwise they wouldn't feel the need to make it into a fucking label.

[Anonymous No.9910965]

>>9908193
Wasnt he anarchist?

[Anonymous No.9910977]

>>9910917
>Your opinion is ideology because my ideology says so

[Anonymous No.9910985]

>>9910977
Meant for
>>9910894

[Anonymous No.9910992]

>>9908456
When the life expectancy was 30, the life expectancy was closer to 65 for anyone who lived past puberty. 90 was feasible if you didn't have a heart condition. Lurk on /his/ more

[Anonymous No.9910995]

>>9910960
By your logic everything is an ideology

[Anonymous No.9911004]

>>9910691
>>9910703
>Atheists questioning ideas

Lol. Nothing says "questioning ideas" like sticking to one specific view of the world like Atheism despite it leading to broken nihilistic childless manchildren nihilism while not being any more provable than theism.

Atheists are retards that cling to broken belief systems because DUDE SCIENCE LMAO! IMAGINE NO RELIGION! TEAPOTS AND OCCAMS RAZOR LMAO!

[Anonymous No.9911005]

>>9910995
No one is free from ideology comrade

[Anonymous No.9911007]

>>9910995

[Anonymous No.9911015]

>>9910995
and now you see

[Anonymous No.9911017]

>>9911005
>>9911007
kek

[Anonymous No.9911028]

>>9910274
Ne m'adresse pas la parole si tu ne sais pas comprendre l'anglais, tantouze immonde

[Anonymous No.9911029]

>>9911028
fuckez offez

[Anonymous No.9911072]

>>9910992
I know but it's not as much of a funny maymay if I'm historically accurate

[Anonymous No.9911246]

>>9910174
>The Lincoln memorial, Mount Rushmore, statues of the Presidents, the Alamo, William Travis statue and Joan of Arc were meant to intimidate niggers
>Not historical
This is the communist thought process: everything white is racist and oppressive.

[Anonymous No.9911249]

Intelligent people advocate fairness and logic.

[Anonymous No.9911376]

>>9910691
Utter nonsense. Just because you are atheist doesn't mean you aren't afraid of questioning ideas. Atheism as commonly expressed is just an urban religion. It ties into many beliefs in ideas. Atheists don't question science and many atheists are influenced by left-identarian ideas and don't question them either.

[Anonymous No.9911391]

>>9910691
lmao I think you meant agnosticism anon, atheism is just glad glorified scientism

[Anonymous No.9911417]

>>9910174

>being scared of statues

Yeah it's all "we shall overcome" until the sculptors show up.

[Anonymous No.9911422]

>>9908167
good artist are almost always high in trait openness. it so happens that openness is also heavily correlated with liberal political views. most of communists are very liberal in a sense. of course only until there's an attempt at implementing it

[Anonymous No.9911453]

>>9908477
when the riots between neckbeards and trannies subside and you reach the big mess that will be the synthesis, we'll be ready to throw you to the gulags

[Anonymous No.9911512]

>>9908830
>new-left = antifa
>"Anyway, go Camus, vive antifascisme"

Fucking kys you disgusting slug

[Anonymous No.9911543]

>>9911417

> the point
> you

[Anonymous No.9911546]

>>9911422

You think any of the real Kermit puppets have ever given somebody a handjob?

[Anonymous No.9911551]

>>9908830
>antifa
>supported the peid-noir
I don't think so m8.

[Anonymous No.9911553]

>>9911422
>most of communists are very liberal in a sense
>literally attack anyone who doesn't share their very specific views

[Anonymous No.9911611]

I am not enlightened by some phony god's blessing, but my own intelligence. Yes I spell god without a capital letter, you may freely debate me but beware, I don't pull any punches.

[Anonymous No.9911706]

>>9908167
Because being a writer does not equate to being intelligent. Sure, creativity is important, and so is having an open mind, but these things do not make you smart.
Their political affiliations will be influenced by both the medium they work in (its constituents) and by their predisposition to think logically. There's also a multitude of other reasons to take into consideration.

[Anonymous No.9911926]

>>9911391
agnosticism and atheism describes two different things