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What do you senpais think of Turgenev? I got Fathers and Sons by him. Am I in for a good book lol?

>> No.9806967

>>9806962
He wrote in Russian. Don't even bother if you can't read it.

>> No.9806970

>>9806967
What do you mean? His works are translated. I have the one by Peter Carson. Is that a good translation?

>> No.9806980

>>9806970
No, no translation is good, - all translations are 100% reinterpretation and retelling by different people. And it's not Fathers and Sons in Russian, it's Fathers and Chiildren.

>> No.9807030

>>9806980
>it's not [english title] in russian
>it's [english title] in russian
Really made me think.

>> No.9807061

>>9807030
What's your point? You monoglot will not underatand just how different original and translation can be anyway.

>> No.9807066

He's alright. All his books have a tendency to fall into a familiar pattern. They're mostly short too. A very fine writer, but I wouldn't rank him terribly high in my favorite Russian authors

>> No.9807070
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9807070

One of my favorite books

>> No.9807079

>>9807070
Lousy moskal, fuck out of here!

>> No.9807091

>>9807061
I speak two languages pretty good. I know that the original is better. But I have to make use with what I've got. I can't be bothered to learn russian.

>> No.9807092

>>9807079
I'm Ukrainian but I live in Russia lol

>> No.9807094

>>9807091
>I speak two languages pretty good
No, you don't.

>> No.9807095

>>9807094
What makes you say that?

>> No.9807099

>>9807095
Your post.

>> No.9807109

>>9807099
I speak norwegian. I also speak english. I learned both languages when I was a tiny boy. (before I was 5)

I would never read "Sult" by Knut Hamsun in english. I know that it won't be as good. On the other hand, I'm okay with reading translated russian texts because I don't know russian.

I feel that you are being argumentative just to give me a hard time. I feel saddened because of your comments, because I feel that you will not believe me no matter what I say.

>> No.9807727

>>9807109

Sult is much better in english.

>> No.9809258

>>9806967
Just shut the fuck up, pseud.

>> No.9810766

I want to read Fathers and Sons soon. What are the best translations?

>> No.9810860
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>>9806962
I've only read Notes from a Hunter's Sketchbook. It was hit or miss. "Singers" and and "Meeting" were great, "The End of Chertopkhanov" was boring, and "Living Relic" is the second best short story I've ever read. "Living Relic" actually made me cry, which is something that almost no other literature has actually managed to do.

I only read the collection because Knausgaard mentioned it in an interview. Apparently a guy on the Nobel committee in Sweden decided not to commit suicide because of it, which was intriguing enough of a factoid to get me to read it.

>> No.9810881

>>9807095
Super man speaks good, you speak well.

>> No.9810959

>>9810860

hunters sketchbook is one of the best collections i've read bar none, I think i read he was about to give up writing until he hit success with publishing the stories in the papers.

Perfectly captures the russian countryside and all it's players involved.

>> No.9810972

I never see spring torrents/the torrents of spring mentioned on here, which saddens me. It's a really nice novel, pretty short but packed with good writing (imo). Yes I read it in Russian but I've read it in English too and it's not so bad. Definitely worth reading in English if you can't into Russian.

People who say don't read translations are fucking psueds. They say they are just one persons interpretation, but isn't the original just another interpretation, in a way? Watch me get flamed boys

>> No.9810985

>>9810972
whoa, you just blew my mind about the whole translation thing. it's like we're all tuned into the same story that spans all languages.

>> No.9811012

>>9810985
Wtf! I'm an atheist now??

>> No.9811058

>>9811012
The separation of languages is a pretty good argument for the existence of God.

>> No.9811327

>>9811058
Please explain

>> No.9811446

>>9811327
Not him
Tower of Babel

>> No.9811461

>>9806962
fathers and songs is one of my fave novels
other than that i've only read diary of a superfluous man

>> No.9811507

>>9811446
Thanks I'll read up on that

>> No.9811516

Turgenev is an actual artist and consciously crafted his novels.
Much different than Dostoevsky's coked-out nigger-tier door stoppers.

>> No.9811839

>>9807099
This guy is autistic as fuck

>> No.9811914

>>9811839
Why?

>> No.9811928

I adore his plastic musical flowing prose, but his epilogues are laboured and his handling of plots banal.

>> No.9811939

>>9811928

>reading for plot

>> No.9811948

>>9807092
How do you deal with the racism/xenophobia?

>> No.9811980
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>>9811948
>ukrainian living in Russia
>racism

>> No.9811989

Sportsman's Sketches is extremely hearty and gripping compared to some of the >>9811928 'banal' novels. Dosto was right when he said Turgenev spent too much time abroad.

>> No.9812568

>>9806962
>helped found a Russian emigre library in Paris
>amassed literature and promoted culture Russian and others
>held debates and discussions
>lenin worked there
>Wrote Fathers and Sons

pretty cool guy.