Is this why you only read fiction?

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Anonymous Tue Jul 25 04:17:32 2017 No.9803178 [DELETED]

Is this why you only read fiction?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 04:21:42 2017 No.9803184 >>9803178 No, but it's why I don't go to Reddit. SAGE FUCK YOU WOO HOO

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 04:27:46 2017 No.9803191 >>9803178 God imagine raising a son for 18 years hoping that he turns into a better man than you only for him to end up drawing such despicable filth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 04:29:42 2017 No.9803196 Just looks like a newfag who goes to /pol/ just to end up back at /tv/ and /a/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 04:30:52 2017 No.9803201 >>9803191 Imagining your son writing this post

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 04:36:35 2017 No.9803215 >>9803178 aren't we all sons abandoned by their disappointed father on here?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 04:51:24 2017 No.9803233 >>9803178 >fiction trashy fantasy and kids cartoons why are we so infested by manchildren? would love for a /lit/ version of this with Nabokov, Joyce, DFW and some others welcoming him to /lit/ with a noose or something

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 04:52:42 2017 No.9803236 >>9803201 F U C K

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 06:26:32 2017 No.9803359 >>9803201 My dad would pat me hard on the back and say "Johnny, give em hell"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 06:36:54 2017 No.9803375 File: 216 KB, 367x498, 1485082781237.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9803196 Honestly, at the end everybody post on /a/. Its the only place nice to discuss interests

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 06:38:52 2017 No.9803380 >>9803178 reddit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 06:39:37 2017 No.9803383 >>9803375 Don't kid yourself- there is no discussion on /a/ beyond "X character is cute" and "that episode sure is cool". If I wanted to discuss anime /a/ would be the last place I'd go.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 06:40:44 2017 No.9803386 >>9803178 What's inherently wrong with pop culture fandom? I don't read it myself but it seems fairly harmless.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 06:51:30 2017 No.9803418
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>>9803178

No.

I read it because I enjoy it alot more. Especially science fiction.

I'm not all bad, but I really only read 2-3 nonfiction books a year.

I also enjoy comedic fantasy, like terry pratchett. Ice cream writing, if you will.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 06:53:58 2017 No.9803426 >>9803418 Not only that, but I don't understand this comic. Why would people shy away from the unpleasant, bleaker aspects of storytelling? Shadows give things definition.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 07:00:27 2017 No.9803439 >>9803233 This but also make sure Thomas Pynchon's cameo from the Simpsons makes an appearance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 07:02:04 2017 No.9803441 >>9803375 /a/ is a vitriolic shithole. You faggots hate it when people ask for more shows like X or Y. You're one of the most elitist boards on 4chan which doesn't make sense because you're basically /mlp/, fascinating by cartoons for little girls.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 07:03:50 2017 No.9803446

>>9803386
Have you seen what it does to human beings? Have you seen the need to escape from reality into the echo chambers of memes? Have you seen how they subconsciously seek out conflict by purposefully finding people that don't agree with them 100% on their retarded t.v. show?

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 07:09:58 2017 No.9803458

I'm into various hobbies and forms of media that escapism addicts cling to and I absolutely loathe escapism- even have some anti-escapism undertones and dialogue in my own fiction novels. A lot of people who thoroughly and unapologetically embrace escapism are incredibly emotionally stunted because they never just want to deal with things or learn from experiences.

On the contrary, a lot of the best fiction and fantasy does have darker and more realistic elements.

>>9803375
>the only place nice to discuss interests
I can't take this post seriously.

>>9803383
This, and if you want to discuss anything older that wasn't "a classic" like Bebop or Lain, you're SoL. I still think we need /ar/.

>>>9803386
>What's inherently wrong with pop culture fandom?
Exactly what the OP image expresses: people avoid reality by getting over-engrossed in fantasy worlds. Obviously there are people who are able to enjoy fiction and fantasy without escapism, but a lot of fans (from my experience) get so deeply involved as a way to not have to deal with reality at all and end up refusing to mentally and emotionally mature.

Many of them create their "ideal" version of stories and characters and if the original creator or another fan puts out anything that contradicts that ideal, they act like their life has been torn apart. Like how militant people get about their Overwatch ships and the reaction to Tracer having a girlfriend, or the backlash over the latest Doctor being a woman. I also recall a story (can't source) about a Korean fan-artist being given some treat as a gift at a con only to find out there were pins or something baked in- all because she drew fanart a fan didn't like.

You don't really witness this stuff as a casual fan, but once you get into genuine "fandom" it's pretty terrible.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 07:25:25 2017 No.9803497
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>>9803178
I rather read non-fiction related to the world than fictional stories. Every time I open any fictional book I think I could be reading something about the actual world instead and I just close it down and pick a non-fic book, mostly of history, philosophy or politics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 07:30:08 2017 No.9803512 >>9803497 >pic Oh noes! The words that are enlarged are the same! What a catastrophy!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 07:38:16 2017 No.9803523 >>9803439 I will make it tomorrow when I finish work if anyone cares by then

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 07:41:34 2017 No.9803529 >>9803523 I will care anon. I will print it and stick it on my wardrobe for everyone (noone) to see

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 07:48:13 2017 No.9803535 >>9803201 I would be proud of him

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 07:52:27 2017 No.9803543 >>9803497 >I rather read non-fiction related to the world than fictional stories *tips fedora

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 07:58:03 2017 No.9803559 >>9803543 Why? I'm not trying to be edgy. I'm just genuinely more interested in non-fiction and feel like i'm wasting time reading fiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 07:58:11 2017 No.9803560 >>9803178 >implying pop-culture isn't just propaganda

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 08:00:39 2017 No.9803562 >>9803559 >he says while wasting time on a Hawaiian yachting forum I prefer non-fiction too but that's just a stupid thing to say.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 08:01:42 2017 No.9803567

>>9803446

>Have you seen what it does to human beings? Have you seen the need to escape from reality into the echo chambers of memes? Have you seen how they subconsciously seek out conflict by purposefully finding people that don't agree with them 100% on their retarded t.v. show?

With the exception of the TV show part you might aptly be describing /lit/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 08:03:15 2017 No.9803571 >>9803562 I'm mostly reading daily news around the globe for a few hours now.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 08:03:27 2017 No.9803572

>>9803458

>Many of them create their "ideal" version of stories and characters and if the original creator or another fan puts out anything that contradicts that ideal, they act like their life has been torn apart. Like how militant people get about their Overwatch ships and the reaction to Tracer having a girlfriend, or the backlash over the latest Doctor being a woman. I also recall a story (can't source) about a Korean fan-artist being given some treat as a gift at a con only to find out there were pins or something baked in- all because she drew fanart a fan didn't like.

That's a fair point. However, it must only describe a small minority - we shouldn't ignore the people who didn't send Hideaki Anno death threats.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 08:04:48 2017 No.9803576 >>9803571 >I'm mostly reading daily news around the globe for a few hours now. How the heck is that a healthier thing to do?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 08:06:01 2017 No.9803579 File: 388 KB, 2541x2009, 1233.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9803576 What fucking health are you talking bout? I have never claimed anything about health.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 08:06:02 2017 No.9803580 The frack did he mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 08:07:18 2017 No.9803584 >>9803579 You're right. You didn't. I just want to understand your perspective a bit more.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 08:09:46 2017 No.9803591 File: 60 KB, 550x366, 1492290940561.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9803584 I want to know what has happened and is happening around the world. Nothing else to it. The less book is detached from this the less I am interested in it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 08:10:48 2017 No.9803592 >>9803591 >The less The more, obviously. Silly me, need to take more ESLs.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 08:21:05 2017 No.9803614

>>9803380
>>9803426
>>9803560

As much OPs pic can be cringe or make some people rage, it's right tho.
Most people does not want unpleasant things, plus, people comes home tired of the world, tired of a shitty job... they sure don't want to get their faces into some obscure stuff. they want their football or their tv program wich you can follow even with a brain stroke.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 08:21:59 2017 No.9803617 >>9803375 >/a/ lolwut

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 08:25:14 2017 No.9803625 >>9803178 This referring to normies or actual nerds/geeks? Cos I think normies are into geeky shit for a completely different reason.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 08:29:16 2017 No.9803636

>>9803591

Fair point. What news sources do you pay attention to? I'm UK so feel like there's not many options. I glance at Reuters in the morn and respect their to-the-point style as I can't deal with op-eds. BBC feels like it never wants to talk about anything controversial. World Service is good, though.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 08:29:20 2017 No.9803637

>>9803178
I love history, and though I read non-fiction about history I also enjoy reading historical fiction. Only from writers who put HUGE emphasis on historical realism though, and also include actual historical events to make the atmosphere of the book feel more real. Bernard Cornwell does a great job of this, which is why I love his work. Fictional characters, small-scale fictional events, small-scale fictional locations, but in actual parts of the world with actual historic events going on and you sort of get a first-hand perspective from it even though it was hundreds of years ago, or thousands, depending on the book.

I also pay attention to modern world events and I do watch Fox News since it's not fake news, as well as stuff like Rebel Media which also seems quite genuine, so I don't try and ignore current events. I just love learning of history, even the nitty gritty stuff.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 08:37:02 2017 No.9803660

>>9803458
>people avoid reality by getting over-engrossed in fantasy worlds
Nothing inherently wrong with that and it depends on the person. When I go with those types of works they feel like fast food. I do enjoy them but not on the level of not being able to tell reality from fiction. Its like saying video games make people violent and similar nonsense.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 08:56:25 2017 No.9803696 File: 112 KB, 486x679, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9803560 this, 100%. jews or no jews, people paid money to make flicks like pic related. cui bono?

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:07:28 2017 No.9803729

>>9803441
>You're one of the most elitist boards on 4chan

And thank god for that. Have you seen what happens to a board that's not elitistic?
/lit/ doesn't suffer from this because there's a bit of elitism by default through the fact that you need a couple of brain cells put together to enjoy reading books over movies, but for any other medium which teenagers can easily catch on like anime, cartoons, video games, movies, politics, "random", supernatural, etc. lack of elitism will open the floodgates to some of the worst shitposters and content you can imagine. There's a reason /b/, /pol/ and /v/ are notorious for how bad they are. /a/ is one of the larger boards, and its elitism allowed it to thrive for as long as it did. If you think it's bad now, it would've been dozen times worse had they welcomed newfags with open arms. (Hell it's not impenetrable even now, recently there's a lot more people going "sauce plz sauce plox wut anime is dis? " etc. and others spoonfeeding them.)

Here on /lit/ I'm not afraid of recommending others my favorite books or similar ones, because I know they'll end up better people once they're done reading them, and I know they'll think about and judge the books themselves. On /a/ the opposite would happen, they would end up lazy shits who don't think for themselves and will just parrot everyone else's opinion on which anime is good, so I'll tell them "lurk the fuck more".

>>9803458
I agree with this, ruthless fiction that feels more like reading the history of another world, and not some Peter Pan escapism where everything ends up well for the characters the reader cares about are the best.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:11:52 2017 No.9803741

Doews ebil waysis made mi like ninja turtles and the joker at 35. The world it's so full of division; despite the fact I instantly cuck for any leftest incursion in my small pathetic bubble...

If only I never had to struggle and fight, then I wouldn't have to run from struggle and fighting

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:12:23 2017 No.9803748 >>9803386 Robbing our culture of potential contributors and defenders is harmless? You libertarians are really something else.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:14:08 2017 No.9803749

>>9803729
I think that the problem lies in the fact that most people don't respect the place.
>inb4 autism
If you boil 4chan or any imageboard down to it's most basic components, it's a place for the discussion of [thing]. But to the "outside world" it's a place where the "ebin memes and leetfucks" reside. So they don't come here to discuss the subject matter of the board, they come here because they want a laff or two from the greentext stories. And they think the whole site is basically /polr9kbane/+/whocaresthereareonlysevenpostsadayanyway/, so they get their training at one of the boards which have no self-moderation or a set in stone subject matter. They are also fast as fuck so you need to be "witty" (Not Witgenstein) to get a lot of (you)s, because retards need something to count, be it cookie points or likes.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:27:12 2017 No.9803767

>>9803749
True, the larger the board, the more you have to "compress" your posts and make them as noticeable (and with as much "meme potential") as possible, else they get drowned in the sea of shitposting. People are just chasing for "upvote pills", small enough to fit in a screencap, that anyone can laugh at with no context. Serious discussion generally lasts only for a couple of hours, so most people probably don't even bother.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:33:03 2017 No.9803775 >>9803767 >>9803749 >>9803729 I think we need to bring back "lurk moar" and gore, frankly.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:39:29 2017 No.9803795

>>9803614
It's very easy to laugh at people like that or call them plebs or insinuate they're weak but I can't fault people for wanting comfy, simple, shitty entertainment. That "this is us" type shit that network TV watchers offer.

I personally indulge in some capeshit comics so i can't act superior to anyone. I see it no different than network television. Episodic, generally needs to return to a status quo, and no endgame besides "hope you enjoyed, see you next week."

For some people, sad and pathetic as it may be, premier night for their show or new comic book day or getting to read a shitty genre book at the end of the day is something to look forward to.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:41:29 2017 No.9803800

>>9803201
>son, I am pride
Not everybody wants to have a nancyboy son who is low in conscientiousness, afraid to upset the raft of sensitive people.

As a matter of fact, a lack of those is why victim culture is so celebrated, and the outcome is absolutely disgusting.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:42:36 2017 No.9803806

>>9803767
Honestly, the off topic threads are pretty good when done well. (I don't mean the shitposting ones, but when you open a video game thread on /int/ or a /his/ one on /lit/. A thread with a subject on a board with a subject.)
Like I once had a pretty nice comic and animation technique related discussion in a /co/ bait thread on /a/
It felt pretty dramatic, since there were only two people posting there, me included, and we let the thread die, since we saged it.
But the discussion was pretty nice.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:43:51 2017 No.9803809

>>9803178
well, this is pretty stupid.
if you're life is shit and you need escapism it's totally comprehensible. but needin that because you're eeling down for the shit people write on the internet or for all the bad news the media shout it's just idiotic

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:46:58 2017 No.9803812 >>9803215 Aw. Sad now.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:47:11 2017 No.9803813

>>9803375
>/a/. Its the only place nice to discuss interests
Yea. Your newfag is showing. That's why when I went there in 2007 to discuss naruto they deleted my thread? Or how any naruto thread was deleted and the posters to go to fucking gaia or /b/. If you can't discuss anime on the fucking anime board where do you do it? We used to have to use /b/ and /co/ when we could get away with it to discuss manga and anime. I hope all the users and mods that enabled that to happen from 2007 onwards gets rekt'd. Fucking fagget cunts. All you /a/utistic cunts should neck yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:49:17 2017 No.9803820 >>9803813 >Naruto You brought it on yourself Narutard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:49:23 2017 No.9803821 >>9803800 Yes, I'm sure your father would think you're hot shit and totally not a nancyboy for talking trash anonymously on the internet

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:50:59 2017 No.9803825

>>9803806
conversations can happen but it's generally if they aren't the type to draw some REEing shill or some faggot just looking to get a rise. One of the biggest de-railers is some fucker (a C in an AB conversation) taking umbrage with one piece of a post and replying without the "not the same anon" preface.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:57:29 2017 No.9803833 >>9803825 Sometimes I think having /pol2/, /v2/ and other duplicate boards would help easing the onslaught of post. Basically partitioning the boards into two, and then raising the posting time to 2 minutes or something like that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 09:59:17 2017 No.9803836 >>9803201 I can only imagine what proto-nu-male disgrace raised you

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 10:05:12 2017 No.9803853 >>9803821 I wasn't talking trash. If you interpreted that, you may the sensitive nancyboy inheritor privy to the victim culture celebration I referenced.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 10:26:34 2017 No.9803908 >>9803178 >equating reading fiction with pop-culure "fandom" pleb

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 10:28:20 2017 No.9803917 >>9803178 is this comic supposed to be satire? i mean the blonde kid is even walking like a zombie.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 10:28:34 2017 No.9803918

>>9803636
Pretty much everything and anything that writes about relevant to world news. Recently I found this: https://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/index.cf

>The Strategic Studies Institute is the U.S. Army's institute for geostrategic and national security research and analysis. The Strategic Studies Institute conducts strategic research and analysis to support the U.S. Army War College curricula, provides direct analysis for Army and Department of Defense leadership, and serves as a bridge to the wider strategic community.

They've got alot of publications about modern geopolitics which gets me rockhard.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 10:37:29 2017 No.9803945

>>9803833
Honestly man, I disagree with stifling those corners of the site. I really do.

And I get the /pol/ boogeyman. I've witness the uptick in edginess. But 4chan really is one of the last places to speak frankly. And politics are involved in everything. if you disagree you ARE wrong, it's like saying you don't have carcinogens in your air. Whether you accept it or not they're there.

Sure, the people who have cancer or know someone suffering will be congnisent of that fact and possibly talk about it more. Where as someone who's healthy and never met a cancer patient might say "people are crazy if they think cell phones are bouncing cancer all around."

You may not be into politics but many are. because all of us live with them. And if you're on lit you absolutely should be. No well read man should consider himself useful simply for reading words. You need apply them to the world around you.

While I get sick of things like the (((they))) meme and the like they have no where else to go. Shitposters and false flaggers are a problem but when the rest of the world is telling people to be silent just because they don't like what they have to say I feel incredibly, honestly, angry at anyone that would try to take that bastion away from them.

It makes 4chan no different from the sites people always claim to dislike around here. And if you don't see a marked difference between 4chan and tumblr or twitter or reddit you sincerely do not belong here. I mean that. No matter how high you think the quality of discussion you provide is. This is a place of ideas. And many are shit. But if you can't out bant a shitposter then you have no point worth bantering about.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 10:47:55 2017 No.9803970

>>9803178
>>9803386
>What's inherently wrong with pop culture fandom?

one look at twitter will show you that these people are frustrated, bewildered, anxious. despite being catered to more than ever, they are extremely unhappy and always getting worse. they're always protesting, boycotting, screaming into the void because superman did the wrong thing in a movie or whatever. it's a nightmare. there's clearly something wrong with the whole culture.

look at what the comic is saying. what he depicts as insufferable horror is simply living in society, as a human being. he imagines himself leaving this "horror" behind, transitioning instead into a pleasant world of children's cartoons. the thing to understand here, above all else, is that this escape never actually happens. it's a marketing trick. just like buying a sports car won't make a middle-aged man more virile, consuming nerd entertainment won't free you of the hardships of life and society, so that comic strip will never happen. you don't escape life just because you're watching a cartoon. the horror is crawling all over you.

the founding delusion of nerd fandom is the refusal to acknowledge this. the nerd insists on believing that the illusory escape will occur once his nerd entertainment is good enough, pure enough. maybe the next time they'll get superman right, and then i'll just dissolve as i experience total immersion into pure supermanness! no you won't. in order to justify their continued failure to enter this mythical state of escapism the nerds have to find something to blame. the superhero killed too much, or not enough. too many white actors or too few. george lucas made this, george lucas didn't make this. it will never end.

so the nerd fandom lifestyle is endlessly purchasing branded products and then endlessly complaining about them. it's a self-imposed routine of frustration and disappointment. at least a mid-life crisis ends: you buy your red ferrari, your dick fails to get any bigger, you sigh and move on. nerd fandom lasts until you die.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 10:49:30 2017 No.9803975 How does one cope with the reality we live in? Is escapism bad? Is there a better/healthier way to escape than fantasy (vidya/movies/tv/genre fic)?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 10:50:53 2017 No.9803979 File: 55 KB, 720x655, zE6QR4i.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9803800 >this is your brain on Peterson Wonder where posting on /lit/ places you in the dominance hierarchy

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 10:52:00 2017 No.9803984

>>9803945
I don't want to destroy /pol/, I just want to decrease the speed of it.
You can't destroy it without killing all the users.
/pol/ is a necessary fever.

But I don't think /pol/ is a good place to initiate users after the election. It became distanced from the rest of the site, merging with the mainstream somewhat.

On the subject of
> they have no where else to go
They have a place to go, it's called /pol/ and /b/
The falseflag shitposts are the fault of the moderation, they really should be cracking down on those and the forced memes.

I don't think reading had a good influence on me when it comes to politics, it drifted me into a really fringe place, and I think my views change depending on how I wake up.

Must we talk about politics all the time?
I just don't care 8 out of 10 times.
>And politics are involved in everything
After maybe 3 layers of connection dots.
If I talk about a book, I don't want to hear about the paper lobby's latest shenanigans to ban E-readers or something like that.
Politics might be involved in everything, but they aren't everything, and that is why some people don't like or care about /pol/ and its users.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 10:52:05 2017 No.9803985 >>9803178 >all fiction is escapism kys

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 10:52:32 2017 No.9803987

>>9803975
>better/healthier
Depends on who you're asking. Some people think grown men watching sports is pathetic. The millions of men watching sports think men who don't watch sports are pathetic.

And both sides are sincere.

Is reading "healthier" than watching? Some will say one is active the other is passive but generally the people who say watching something is a passive activity wouldn't change their mind even if told brain scans disagree with that notion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 10:54:31 2017 No.9803995 >>9803945 >le everything is political maymay fucking pomo and cellphones don't cause cancer you imbecile surely you can't be one of those vaccinations cause autism people?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 10:56:20 2017 No.9804003 >>9803178 Pop culture is consumerist culture

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 10:57:22 2017 No.9804006 >>9803497 >loyalty ton one's country is literally as bad as Nazism now Our globalist overlords are going too far.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:00:46 2017 No.9804019

>>9803995
a human is a creature that lives in a community ("polis"). all interactions between those creatures are therefore "political". to escape politics you would have to leave society and live among the animals. good job confusing the foundations of human civilization with "postmodernism".

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:04:30 2017 No.9804032

>>9803984
decreasing the speed of it will kill it, the cooldown has decimated story times on /co/ to the point its almost all shill threads.

Raise it to two minutes and people will be posting on other boards even more often.

The above also works for a response to:
>They have a place to go, it's called /pol/ and /b/
Cross-board shit posting I think is where we should focus since I've addressed changed to /pol/ possibly leading to more cross-boarding.

>I don't think reading had a good influence on me when it comes to politics, it drifted me into a really fringe place, and I think my views change depending on how I wake up.

That's a problem of your own and in no way representative of what /lit/ or 4chan should be. Just because your views are fluid doesn't mean someone isn't just as valid in their staunch views, no matter how opposed you happen to be on that day.

>Must we talk about politics all the time?
>I just don't care 8 out of 10 times.
Again, that's on you not anyone else. If topic can lead there then the conversation should go there.

if you're in a thread about a book and anon makes a comment about not being able to buy it physically because it isn't being printed and then a second anon lements the changes of ereaders and such then your example would be perfectly fitting.

The problem arises in a situation like that when two people aren't trying to have a /pol/ conversation but are then called /pol/ by someone like you who could have just ignored them.

At that point it becomes a political conversation about politics in society. Always.

it's never the /pol/ tinted comment that starts the REEing. Its someone telling another person to go back to /pol/ that then draws a response of "okay you leftist faggot" or "okay drumpfkins BTFO". which are both shitposts. but from someone who thinks they're in the right for calling out /pol/. So they feel justified and then things derail.

>>9803995
I didn't mean to imply cellphones cause cancer but rather that that's a conversation someone like that would have. This right here is a perfect example of what I have just described. Someone commenting on something that had nothing to do with the crux of a post in order to derail.

>>9804019
this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:07:10 2017 No.9804035 >>9804019 >there's nothing outside of interacting with others without living among animals what the fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:11:14 2017 No.9804047 >>9804035 if you're implying that you can exercise your humanity without other people around because of your rich and deep inner life then i'm afraid i have to tell you your rich and deep inner life is a laughable delusion. animals can dream too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:16:21 2017 No.9804057 >>9804032 Do you even know what "politics" is in the /pol/ sense?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:17:51 2017 No.9804060 >>9804057 Tell me what politics is in the /pol/ sense. You clearly disagree with me. Define the terms then so we can continue.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:20:19 2017 No.9804066

>>9804032
>And politics are involved in everything. if you disagree you ARE wrong, it's like saying you don't have carcinogens in your air. Whether you accept it or not they're there.
>Sure, the people who have cancer or know someone suffering will be congnisent of that fact and possibly talk about it more. Where as someone who's healthy and never met a cancer patient might say "people are crazy if they think cell phones are bouncing cancer all around."
great job BSing some shit then changing what you said.
Discussing politics - and I define politics as achieving and exercising positions of governance, not whatever purist definition you're concocting - is pointless because it doesn't concern an average man on the street. The whole point of democracy is that everybody is selfish and votes in their interest so that the interest of the majority can be realized. To discuss politics as you Americans seem so inclined to do is pointless because it's not about voting the person that's "best for the country" but best for you. Politics is a private thing and to flaunt it is virtue signaling and is crass and deplorable.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:21:15 2017 No.9804068

>>9804060
/pol/ is about the current events and current legislation mostly, sometimes about social changes. It's essentially a board about the political news of today in the most basic sense. (Most certainly not the philosophical definition you gave) (The most basic sense being a few proles arguing in a bar over some shit they heard)
It's not a political science board, it's a new iteration of the old news board.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:21:35 2017 No.9804070
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>>9803979
le epic "look where you are xd" meme

4chan has quadrupled in popularity since 2014. Millionaires, phds, mds, chads, writers, musicians, politicians, etc all post here. Some of them have probably called you a gigantic faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:22:18 2017 No.9804072 >>9804047 >I spend every single second of my life interacting with others thus everything is political. there are absolutely no moments in life when I'm alone. think for a second and listen to what you're saying you fucking mongoloid

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:28:34 2017 No.9804084

>>9804072
i think he's saying that there are essential things to "being a human being" that involve interacting with other people.

i guess even indirectly, when dealing with human-made media, you can't escape culture or "society" and doing so fully (ie living in the wild), makes you less than human.

That doesn't mean humans are reducible to
"politics" but just that human-to-human interactions are essential

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:30:32 2017 No.9804086 >>9804084 Human-to-Human interactions isn't 100 percent politics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:31:51 2017 No.9804090 >>9804084 And all I wanted to say was that not everything is political, and it is a result of postmodernism i.e. critical theory that people would think so. Have a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:32:48 2017 No.9804093 The amount of triggered tumblrinas that invaded this board is off the charts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:33:08 2017 No.9804094 >>9804086 >>9804090 whoops, I didn't read the upper post where the guy i was defending claimed that. I agree with your statements

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:34:19 2017 No.9804098 >>9804090 What is the Sokal have anything to do with this? If anything it's an indictment of academia only, not the nature of politics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:34:25 2017 No.9804099 >>9803970 Excellent post, anon, and why I still come to /lit/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:36:50 2017 No.9804106 I read fiction to help me create fiction which I can then sell to people who mindlessly consume it and then pay my bills.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:37:09 2017 No.9804108 >>9804098 Critical theorists don't know what they're talking about when they say everything is political, hence a physicist can BS some shit about quantum physics being political.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:37:10 2017 No.9804109 >>9803201 imagine being alive

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:38:10 2017 No.9804111

>>9804072
i'm saying incredibly basic things that you intentionally misunderstand so you can wallow in your intellectual degeneracy.

so what if you're temporarily "alone"? you don't exit society when you go take a shit. who built the toilet? who's maintaining the flow of water to your house so the shit can be flushed away? who's paying for all this? okay, go shit in a forest then. surprise, all the forests are somebody's property now, by shitting there you're engaging in a social act with either a private owner or the state. you literally cannot evacuate your bowels without making it a political act. you're never actually "alone".

again, this is really, really basic shit you're hopefully only pretending to misunderstand.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:52:58 2017 No.9804140

>>9804108
>science depends on funding, which largely depends on donors or government grants.

The scientist just trying to conduct an experiment may think they are removed from politics in their lab while experimenting but they are not.

The lab was paid for, the materials, the workers, they all are provided by someone who could cover the cost. Whether it be a person, an organization or a gorvernment the backers have an agenda. They hire one person instead of someone else for a reason. And the reason likely isn't "most skilled, better resume" because it's generally going to be a push in that regard.

Any who attempts to compartmentalize the reality of society is inherently flawed in their thinking. We as people are connected to the world in which we live at an inseparable level. Some discount it with degrees of separation but thats just being reductionist.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 11:56:17 2017 No.9804151

>>9804140
a point to clarify:

That doesn't mean the scientist can't operate efficiently or properly. It doesn't mean the findings are always false.

What it means is that you have to make sure you're not ignoring faults and ignoring criticism simply because of the source. If their backer is telling them its all good but fellow scientists are raising concerns you can't just say "well so-and-so told me what I'm doing is fine".

it's akin to accepting bias and accounting for it.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:00:09 2017 No.9804158

>>9804111
>again, this is really, really basic shit you're hopefully only pretending to misunderstand.
this is a good thread. And while contentious I think there actually is a good conversation being had here. Interesting at the least. But I think anon actually believes what I quoted there. I don't think he's pretending.

It's a very major difference that I think is at the center of much of our societal differences.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:07:26 2017 No.9804176

>>9804140
>>9804111
>hurr durr the politics of scientific research is the same as the science itself
There is no Planck came up with quantum mechanics am I right? Nono his parents gave birth to him so they actually invented it. Oh no no it's actually his ancestors. Nah it's actually the Big Bang. Everything is just one big blob of politics! Even the 95.1% of the universe that we don't even know about, that must be politics right? I mean our humanity taints everything right? What are forms right? Haha guys!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:07:38 2017 No.9804177 >>9803178 Pretty much. I like to pick up my copy of Blood Meridian every time I get called a fag on 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:08:37 2017 No.9804178 >>9804176 Please remove yourself from this discussion, you're clearly not up to the task.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:08:59 2017 No.9804179 Fiction is shit-tier

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:11:13 2017 No.9804185 >>9804178 >can't defend the untenable position that everything is politics so I shall not even attempt to It's okay pal, there's nothing wrong with being wrong, it's part of growing up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:12:48 2017 No.9804193 >>9804179 I'm not that guy, but while he made well thoughtout posts explaining his point all you did was write sarcastic witticisms that look straight from twitter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:14:08 2017 No.9804197 >>9804193 It's for >>9804185

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:16:49 2017 No.9804201 File: 60 KB, 750x742, 1496613199247.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9804179 >doesn't read both non-fiction and fiction Mega pleb detected.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:21:47 2017 No.9804211

>>9804193
Okay perhaps only "polite" arguments can be understood without people being triggered the fuck out. Arguing that the politics of scientific research is the same as the science itself is ridiculous because they are independent entities. Although they have a causal relationship, equating them as having the same nature is as ridiculous as claiming somebody only did something because his parents gave birth to him or because humans managed to evolve. Now the claim that everything is political is even more ridiculous when we realize that we don't even know what 95.1% of the universe is. One could argue for extrapolation but that would be problematic under the principles of induction. Even the claim of the limits of human perception or bias tainting everything and making everything "political" is ridiculous because of forms.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:26:59 2017 No.9804221
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Yes, fine: I'm a pleb. There. I said it. What now, huh? Got any other gags up your sleeves? Any other zoinkers hidden away? Oh, nothing? nothing? Didn't prepare you for this in the cool school did they? No no, don't listen to me please. I'm just another lowly pleb aren't I? Just another pleb not worth anyone's tim - Sorry? What? Nothing to say? Nothing to say? Well. Well well well. Seems like you're outta moves, kid. Outta moves and outta luck! Checkmate, Strike and your out!

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:27:50 2017 No.9804224

>>9804211
Science itself is completely inaccessible for anyone who isn't a scientist himself, so the politics of (and the products of, which are also political in their uses) science have a way bigger impact on humanity than science itself; and scientists, being human, are striving for survival, so any research that doesn't get bonifications or it doesn't stand much chances of being published are likely going to be dropped out. What are the factors influencing a subject X being favored by academia over subject Y? Politics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:28:45 2017 No.9804228 File: 35 KB, 480x320, eagleofdispleasure.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9804070 >4chan getting popular is a good thing

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:30:35 2017 No.9804233

>>9804211
>they are independent entities
This is literally what we're discussing you stupid twat. This went from contentious to you being a faggot.

You realize society isn't universal? It only exists in the 4.9% remaining. Society isn't a natural construct. It's our definition of the natural constructs that bind all living things. Which is what we're discussing.

You seem hell bend on telling me that because the right shoe is completely independant of the left they aren't connected. But the two are part of a pair.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:34:16 2017 No.9804238

>>9804224
Again and again you argue things unrelated to science itself. Allow me to use a simple analogy. Boxers fall out of popularity or become popular because of reasons other than their skills, or even because of their skills, but that doesn't change the fact that they are boxing. The science itself isn't political, but the application and discovery of it can be. I don't understand how this requires an explanation. 1 + 1 = 2 isn't political, but someone who says hey I hunted 1 + 1 deer i.e. 2 deers today, I'm the greatest hunter ever, I should be the leader of the tribe, I hunted 1 more deer than everybody else, is using math politically, but that does not change the fact that math itself isn't political. Perhaps he might fund the crazy NEET studying multiplication to further prove his greatness of hunting 2 deers everyday, but the fact that 2 x 7 = 14 > 7 isn't political.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:36:57 2017 No.9804248
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>>9803178
Best thing to do is to escape society to a real place that's better than where you are now.
Go travel, become a monk, build a cabin in the woods and live off the grid, become an Icelandic fisherman, whatever gives you a sense or purpose and belonging.

Second best would be to change society in a way that you feel would make it better.
Support a politician, beat people with opposing opinions, change the world to your image. You'll feel like a dipshit in some years but at least you didn't run away right?

Worst thing to do is to flee to a fictional universe, or multiple of them probably.
You tell yourself that it's more interesting in books or series, or that you're learning a lot from it, but at some point you will realize that it's all been for naught.
When you're old and you look back on your life and realize that you've never had any real interesting experiences, never met any real kind or fascinating humans, you'll feel like you wasted your whole life.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:38:28 2017 No.9804253

>>9804233
How in the fuck do you get everything is political if society only exists in the 4.9% of reality you fucking mongoloid. I'm not even claiming that a lot of things aren't political, just that not everything is political, which I think is an absolutely reasonable claim. Are you just sperging out because I seemingly disagreed with you? And your left shoe right shoe analogy is fucking shit because they have no causal relationship.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:40:18 2017 No.9804267

>>9804238
What is science beyond the application and discovery of it? And don't tell scientist are pure angels the strive for truth only because that's technocratic propaganda, the truth is that there's a culture of publish or die that churns out paper after paper that will be referenced one or twice and never be heard about again, nothing but a quick buck for all involved to survive, Ali results are interpreted and modified for this purpose, what else is left?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:43:11 2017 No.9804271 >>9804253 There's no escape from that 4.9%, you can't have access to the noumenal world, if you imply the separation of subject and object.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:45:10 2017 No.9804275 I think it's time to stop replying to the foul mouthed shill, nothing will come out of this.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:49:36 2017 No.9804284

>>9804238
>Boxers fall out of popularity or become popular because of reasons other than their skills, or even because of their skills, but that doesn't change the fact that they are boxing

But there is a difference in the type of boxing. And the style they employ. And the weight they choose to fight at. And the type of footwork they incorporate. And the types of punches they combine.

And you somehow think you divorce that from the fight.

take mayweather/mcgreggor. Mayweather comes from a poor urban family in NV. His dad was a terrible person like him, though a boxing mind that crafted his son's skill, Mayweather fights incredible technically because old-timers taught him how to fight. Old timers taught him how to fight because he couldn't afford better trainers. There are so many political reasons why he isn't a baseball player instead of standing in that ring.

Mcgreggor is from the UK (i think, I don't follow UFC). There are hundreds of political reasons why someone like him or Ricky Hatton isn't playing footy with the local lads. Even mcgreggor being a more stand up fighter gets into the politics of "honorable" fighting.

There entire lives have led them to that point. You literally cannot disagree with that other than to say "it doesn't matter".

But if Flloyd Mayweather had been taller than 6 feed he'd likely have played football or basketball. And he wouldn't be standing in a ring against a guy who could have been a boxer or a football player if his conditions had been such.

Your own examples show just how reductionist you are in terms of relativity. Just as we are connected to the atoms at atomic level, and to the similarly constructed universe beyond that, people are connected to each other and their pasts absolutely.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:50:57 2017 No.9804286 >>9804284 >There are so many political reasons You mean "socio-economic" you dipshit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:51:09 2017 No.9804288 >>9804253 because everything is in relation to to 100% of the known. take a cosmic example instead of your garbage earthbound ones then. Prove to me that cosmic level stuff is non-political.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:52:37 2017 No.9804291
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>>9804267
Just because something doesn't have a humanistic purpose doesn't mean it's not a thing. I don't understand what you're trying to say, and I can think of plenty of uses for science and math that isn't political. A toilet cleaner can calculate how many toilets he has left to clean by subtracting the amount he cleaned from the total amount.
>inb4 an epitome of capitalist oppression

>>9804271
>tfw seeing the sky as blue is political

Whatever guys I'm done arguing with you fellas, it's just pointless arguments if you're not gonna admit that there are things independent of society and humanity.
Plus a position of not everything is political is much more reasonable than one of everything is political, but that's just my opinion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:54:08 2017 No.9804297 >>9804291 The sky is blue is a sentence written in the English language.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:56:07 2017 No.9804308 File: 40 KB, 381x507, 1500008169737.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9804284 Please explain how reasons that lead up to the using of a technique is now the technique itself. Or don't I don't care I'm leaving, bye.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:57:51 2017 No.9804315 >>9804286 Eh they're using political as in humanistic not the study or practice of the distribution of power and resources within a given community

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 12:59:26 2017 No.9804319

>>9804315
Yeah, but the premise of bringing it up in that definition is idiotic, since the subject was /pol/, the board which discusses politics (the study or practice of the distribution of power and resources within a given community) and current world events.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 13:00:37 2017 No.9804326 >>9804248 Fleeing to the arctic is in no way better than working to improve the situation around you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 13:02:39 2017 No.9804335 >>9803853 You're still spending your days on 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 13:04:16 2017 No.9804343 >>9803178 Jesus that is cringe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 13:28:18 2017 No.9804421 File: 53 KB, 447x350, luke_ski__survivor__the_animated_series__promo_art_by_artbylukeski-d647594.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9803178 JESUS, just look at some of this guy's other stuff. Fiction lovers beware.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 13:34:39 2017 No.9804436 >>9804421 would watch desu

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 13:38:28 2017 No.9804451 >>9804335 As are you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 13:52:48 2017 No.9804496 >>9804238 >science itself the belief that there is such a thing as "science itself" is the core of your delusion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 14:08:01 2017 No.9804527 >>9804176 what the fuck were you trying to do here

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 14:13:18 2017 No.9804537 >>9804070 >4chan has quadrupled in popularity since 2014. >Millionaires, phds, mds, chads, writers, musicians, politicians, etc all post here. Yeah I don't think those two groups overlap

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 14:21:58 2017 No.9804560 File: 18 KB, 291x273, im from queenz.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9804221 >I'm a pleb EVERYONE POINT AND LAUGH AT THE ITTY BITTY PLEBE

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 14:28:30 2017 No.9804577 >>9803178 What a stupid idea of non-fiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 14:39:02 2017 No.9804612 >>9804248 >Best thing to do is to escape >Worst thing to do is to flee hmm...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 14:40:54 2017 No.9804616 >>9804577 agreed. that's exactly what i think of when i read geography, or the history of stamps, HATE! LIES! VITRIOL!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 15:39:26 2017 No.9804817 >>9804616 the last time i read a philology book i immediately kidnapped and murdered a prostitute. it was just too much

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 15:47:10 2017 No.9804842 >>9803178 Hold on a minute....there's a Muppets fandom?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 16:01:41 2017 No.9804896 >>9804066 >le americans are selfish meme nothing wrong with being selfish. I apologize for not wanting my country to look like Swedistan, and if anything the British people wanted the same thing britcuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 16:13:19 2017 No.9804936 >>9803178 >why I are

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 16:14:12 2017 No.9804939 >pretending to empathize with that image for the sake of validation

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 16:25:18 2017 No.9804972

>>9803497
>loyalty is bad
Regardless of what you believe in, Hitler's speeches are some of the best ever delivered. They're powerful, and are mostly about national pride and loyalty which is something that we should all have. But apparently the idea of loyalty makes you a Nazi now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 16:27:36 2017 No.9804977 >>9804972 He had great speech writer(s) and most of all he was phenomenal public orator. I don't think I've seen better.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 16:50:20 2017 No.9805053

>>9804972
It's emotionally immature people who can only deal with black and white (splitting): Nazism is wholly BAD, therefore our liberal ideology is wholly GOOD, regardless of universal and obviously beneficial features the Reich regime might have had.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 16:52:26 2017 No.9805057 >>9803201 imagine being this much of a cuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 17:02:41 2017 No.9805092 >>9803178 Isn't it the other way around? Fandoms are incredibly toxic

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 17:10:24 2017 No.9805117 >>9805092 because they're obsessed with fantasies in an attempt to escape reality. Many, many normies and casuals would readily and openly agree with this meme.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 17:16:56 2017 No.9805137 >>9803970 Nobody actually thinks that the new Superman movie will lead them to egoless bliss. R-right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 17:18:53 2017 No.9805145 >>9803970 mint quality, anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 17:21:24 2017 No.9805153 >>9803970 very nice

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 17:22:57 2017 No.9805160 >>9805117 After looking at social media, I agree

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 17:25:09 2017 No.9805169 >>9803178 Isn't this just an abdication of moral responsibility?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 17:31:00 2017 No.9805186 >>9805169 But real people are meeeean.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 17:34:49 2017 No.9805196 >>9803201 Imagine a son in 4chan makes sad

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 17:37:35 2017 No.9805204 File: 603 KB, 480x600, m e d i t a t i o n.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9804019 >mfw i live among the animals

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 17:47:21 2017 No.9805235 >>9803375 i agree, the best discussions i had in 4chan was on /a/ and not one was about anime. old /a/ elitism were an amazing filter, it's a shame it's dying, i wish other boards had something like that

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 17:49:15 2017 No.9805239 /a/ is absolute shit now

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 18:02:21 2017 No.9805275

>>9805053
Germany under Hitler was actually very prosperous, but people don't like to talk about that. It was certainly leagues better than present day Germany, which hardly has its own cultural identity now. He was a great leader who made some mistakes.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 18:14:53 2017 No.9805319

>>9803375
I agree, the best discussions i had on 4chan was on /a/ and not one was about anime. Old /a/ elitism was an amazing filter, it's a shame it's dying, i wish other boards had something like that.

>>9805239
I think it still is better than most boards, this whole place has become too popular, i often go to smaller imageboards to have an actual discussion, /lit/ is alright since we still are a slow board but like all boards we still worsened significantly after 2016.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 18:17:02 2017 No.9805321

>>9805275
>Made some mistakes
I've taken the red pill, political correctness is bullshit, and Hitler DID do a lot of good for the Caucasian, Christian, heterosexual German citizens (the majority of Germans) at the time, but saying he 'made some mistakes' is a gross understatement. Holocaust aside, he broke the Hitler/Stalin pact and invaded the Soviet Union (you just do not invade Russian territory and expect it to go well, Napoleon learned this before Hitler), expected to have taken the entire country within something like 6 months but of course that was impossible even with modern mechanized warfare, and stubbornly focused on Stalingrad even though his own Generals were telling him that was foolish and there were better places to attack. If he'd have not been so Anti-Semetic and if he'd have not started WWII, he would have gone down in history as a great German leader, but those 'mistakes' have made him not only the worst leader in German history bar none, but possibly the worst leader in human history.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 18:19:40 2017 No.9805333 >>9805321 >expected to have taken the entire country within something like 6 months Honestly if you look at how quickly they rolled over all the rest of Europe saying Russia would hold out for six months seems like a compliment

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 18:24:08 2017 No.9805349 >>9804284 >Mcgreggor is from the UK I fucking hope this was bait.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 18:29:01 2017 No.9805360

>>9805321
Read more history. Hitler did have plans for invading the Soviets. But they were at the least a decade down the road.

The Soviets had plans of invading Germany within like a year.

Hitler and his cabinet caught wind of this and although the Blitzkrieg had been used in prior engagements, it was Operation Barbarossa that set the stage for lightning warfare for the rest of the foreseeable future.

Also the Soviets were finished. It was a series of misfortunes and blunders by the Nazi's and Allied advances on all fronts that gave the Soviets a chance.

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 18:33:26 2017 No.9805374

>>9805321
>expected to have taken the entire country within something like 6 months

It could have been done in six weeks. Hitler was stuck ina defensive mindset and never truly grasped the armored breakthrough. In 1940, his generals knew when to selectively ignore his orders and push past the Meuse. In late summer 1941, Halder and von Bock knew the right move was to push on to Moscow, but they followed his orders to hold and regroup.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:04:27 2017 No.9805667 >>9805275 Germany under Hitler was a pretty shitty deal if you worked a unionized job or were at the age to be drafted or were Jewish, Romani, mentally handicapped or gay, but that goes without saying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:05:44 2017 No.9805672 >>9803497 A LOTTA LOYALTY FOR A HIRED GUN

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:09:51 2017 No.9805687 >>9804109 haha glad I don't have to deal with that haha

Anonymous Tue Jul 25 20:46:10 2017 No.9805786

>>9805333
Russia is big, and the farther away troops get from the fatherland, the harder it is to get crucial supplies to them like food, ammunition, and fuel.

>>9805360
The Germans literally wanted the Soviet Union by 1942, and they invaded Summer 1941. I've read about history, "Stalingrad: The Infernal Cauldron" by Stephen Walsh if I recall correctly. Read the whole thing, back to front, and if memory serves there's one picture where they have an MG labeled wrongly in the description beneath said photo. Either an MG34 called a 42 or vice versa. Anyways, the idea was to attack quickly so as to end the war quickly, just like they did with so much of Europe. The Blitzkrieg, it's been their battle strategy for years, and it's worked, but the USSR was just too damn big. They wanted the whole thing in about 6 months, but it was an insurmountable undertaking that did just as they hoped it wouldn't; bog down into a war of attrition.

I've heard nothing about Soviet plans to cancel the Hitler/Stalin pact, nor about Hitler catching wind of this so attacking ahead of time. Operation Barbarossa was that initial plan to take the Soviet Union, and though the first 6 months went unbelievably well (around 6,000,000 Soviet casualties; 2,000,000 Soviet POWs; over 20,000 Soviet tanks taken out of commission) there was just no way they could take land quickly enough to seize them in just half a year as desired.

>Soviets were finished
So you truly think they had a chance? Ease up on the Wehraboo, anon. Also, the blunders were just about all Hitler's fault. If he left it up to his Generals, as he should have (he himself only ever got to the rank of Corporal in WWI which isn't much above Private).

>>9805374
Summer 1941 was when the invasion began, and part of the reason they wanted the Soviet Union within 6 months is because if winter came and went, the spring could bring a fuckton of mud, resulting in more difficulty getting the tanks/vehicles/horses to advance and supply the front. Once Stalingrad was reached even with the Luftwaffe having clear air superiority as well as working steadily to TRY and maintain supplies, they just couldn't keep up. Ammo, food, and fuel was getting terribly scarce. The famous German 6th Army at Stalingrad was suffering on all fronts from starvation, to cold, to ammo shortages, fuel shortages, and of course the constant fighting with the... what was it... Russian 62nd? 64th? Lead by that Chuikov fellow or whatever his name was. Anyways, really, it was a bad idea from the beginning. Also, 6 weeks? Is it even possible to drive from one side of Russia to the other in 6 weeks during peacetime nowadays let alone 70 years ago? I know from Alberta to Newfoundland it can be done in about 1-2 weeks if you're driving for about 12+ hours a day, but Russia is far wider than Canada (and that isn't even the full width of Canada.) Add in all the fighting, plus the fact that vehicles weren't as good back then as they are now... impossible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:30:01 2017 No.9805903 File: 27 KB, 470x698, smart one.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9805349 Took quite a long time for someone to catch this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:48:26 2017 No.9805969 >>9803625 Why?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:54:44 2017 No.9805997 >>9805667 Those people are dregs of society so it's only fair

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 21:56:35 2017 No.9806010 >>9803178 Untermensch

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 22:05:32 2017 No.9806042 File: 857 KB, 978x978, 1500026067098.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9803970

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 22:08:36 2017 No.9806051 File: 907 KB, 1448x5000, gabrieldropout.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9803375 fuck off satania, stupid fucking demon bitch

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 22:22:32 2017 No.9806103 >>9803970 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z07MMlFqGvQ >ywn be his excited

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 22:27:03 2017 No.9806118 >>9803375 But /m/ and /jp/ shit all over /a/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 22:41:48 2017 No.9806165 >>9805667 >unionized job easy to tell someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. every person in the country had to join the German Labor Front, so there was literally no non union jobs at the time

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 25 22:54:23 2017 No.9806211 >Not reading non-fiction during every season but summer and exclusively reading speculative fiction in the summer, attaining a higher degree of abstraction and enjoyment with each passing year's read of Darwin's Radio You people are dumb dumbs

>>	"Anonymous" Tue Jul 25 23:56:18 2017 No.9806414 File: 10 KB, 209x305, 1445823479748.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9803215 Nope, I'm a son disappointed by his father and this close to kicking him out for being a parasite.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 00:10:17 2017 No.9806443 >>9805349 no one gives a fuck about ireland you dumb mick

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 00:20:53 2017 No.9806474 >>9803201 Like Father, like Son.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 00:26:20 2017 No.9806485 >>9803201 Honestly if I actually manage to come back from this and plant my seed inside a woman I wouldn't be worried about my son typing up his shitposts either

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 02:06:41 2017 No.9806665 >>9804972 >and are mostly about national pride and loyalty which is something that we should all have I almost vomited. I come to /lit/ to avoid this type of retardation

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 02:25:30 2017 No.9806695 I hate that so many people think entertainment is only for escapism. Is it so incomprehensible that not everyone is the same, that their reasons for doing things and what they get out of doing something are different?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 02:32:38 2017 No.9806711 The greeks did it too and they are the teachers of us all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 02:52:42 2017 No.9806758 File: 2.62 MB, 1609x1815, fiction.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9803523 >>9803529 a sloppy job but its done anyone else is welcome to improve it or add more authors

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 03:00:32 2017 No.9806769 >>9804068 What /pol is as of its current iteration is nothing but a racist backwoods echo chamber that can't go more than a few hours without a nigger hate thread. That place has no right to its own name.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 03:09:50 2017 No.9806794

>>9806711
the greeks did what? formed absurd societies devoted to endlessly consuming the entertainment products of late capitalism? please tell me you're not one of the people that compares telling stories of the trojan war to the marvel cinematic universe or whatever

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 03:12:00 2017 No.9806802 File: 28 KB, 1357x800, iq_by_country.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9806769 >>9806769 >racist Your small words have no power over me. >nigger hate thread. Clearly, you've never interacted with them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 03:18:10 2017 No.9806818 >>9806802 what are you trying to prove with your meme image?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 03:19:20 2017 No.9806819 >>9806818 >IQ is a meme. Alright then.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 03:21:37 2017 No.9806824 >>9806758 >Thomas Pynchon's house dying this is great

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 03:22:41 2017 No.9806828 >>9803178 I thought it was talking about the Discord app at first, which is definitely pretty terrifying

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 03:23:03 2017 No.9806829 >>9806819 do you feel uncomfortable when you have a black cashier or something? anti-rascism isn't necessarily just liberal diversity shit, it's against general autism

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 03:26:53 2017 No.9806832 >>9806819 >IQ is a meme. ehm, yes? what will be arguing about next? Myer-Biggs test?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 03:35:16 2017 No.9806846 >>9806695 When you have a strong emotional investment in you entertainment, it becomes escapism and it's idolatry when it's commodified.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 03:36:31 2017 No.9806849 >>9803559 >I'm just genuinely more interested in non-fiction and feel like i'm wasting time reading fiction. But it's ALL fiction. It's simply a matter of degree.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 03:47:35 2017 No.9806866

>>9806802
oh hey it's a map of the quality of education around the world and we're supposed to pretend it's about inherent racial characteristics instead. how novel.

like i'm a pinko but i appreciate intelligent conservatives and it's really sad how the modern right has just degenerated into total idiocy. apparently upbringing is meaningless now and an african child's inability to fill out iq tests is proof of his inherent subhumanity. can you imagine how a great conservative from a hundred years ago, someone like gk chesterton, would react to the right's descent into this willful depravity? hitler really did a number on you people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 03:50:44 2017 No.9806870 >>9803178 the comic makes genre fiction looks like childish bullshit

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 03:53:25 2017 No.9806879 >>9803836 triggered, friend?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 03:57:46 2017 No.9806885 >>9806866 >Quality of education. Niggers in U.S. public schools have lower IQ than whites, and niggers with high income familieis have low IQ than their white counterparts. Drown yourself in socialist cum more.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 03:58:48 2017 No.9806889 >>9806849 >dude cant know nothing. epic

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:00:00 2017 No.9806893 I don't only read fiction, in fact I rarely read. I like fiction because I'm not some autistic realist and also am fond of formalism and genre.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:00:31 2017 No.9806895 >>9803383 t. newfag

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:03:11 2017 No.9806903 >>9806802 IQ is a meaningless metric made up by STEMspergs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:04:37 2017 No.9806906 >>9806903 t. low ability individual.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:11:07 2017 No.9806918 >>9806906 This is what STEMspergs actually believe.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:11:23 2017 No.9806919

>>9806885
doesn't the same silly methodology show the strict inferiority of whites to asians?

surely the aim of the right should therefore be to put whites where they belong: semi-skilled labor. all positions of importance should be held by your genetic superiors, the chinese. i suppose the world is already heading that way and soon the whites will become what their inferior genetics doom them to be: pale niggers, almost but not quite human. you can trust a pale nigger to fix your car, just don't expect the poor thing to do any thinking!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:14:12 2017 No.9806926 >>9806919 I see no problem with this. Anything a low IQ person can do can be done better by someone with higher IQ.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:14:54 2017 No.9806927 >>9806926 IQ is meaningless, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:15:39 2017 No.9806931 File: 230 KB, 1280x960, Kind Fellow.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9806919 Holy shit, I laughed way harder than I should have. You've described /pol/'s literal nightmare

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:17:29 2017 No.9806933

>>9806926
I hope you're joking, because this sort of black-or-white thinking is depressingly ignorant. You're like a Dragon Ball Z character believing that a person's abilities are determined firmly by an arbitrary number and that number dictates everything about who and what they are. You're a sad person.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:18:46 2017 No.9806939

>>9806927
It's only the most consistent factor when it comes to success in life.

>>9806933
It's only streamlining domains of intelligence, which can be tested too.

>arbitrary
I'm sure it's just a pure coincidence, is this what they teach in leftist schools? Every person is equal?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:19:23 2017 No.9806940 >>9806939 >success in life Not a metric, sorry kiddo. >tested According to false metrics and methodology, sure.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:19:36 2017 No.9806941 >>9806769 >/pol >>>/r/eddit

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:20:38 2017 No.9806944 >>9806926 That's patently untrue. Higher IQ people tend to become bored to the point of resentment by repetitive tasks, at which low IQ people will merely perform competently once they have learned the requisite skills.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:21:24 2017 No.9806947 File: 111 KB, 1024x1024, leftypol success in life.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9806940 >not a metric. Oh, found the leftist. >>9806944 Any such repetitive task is easily replaced with automation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:21:47 2017 No.9806948 >>9806944 REEEEEEEEEEEE STFU SHITSKIN!!!!!!! eats cheetos

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:23:05 2017 No.9806950 >>9806947 Stop baiting you adolescent. You have the mental capacity worse than the stupidest of Africans.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:23:56 2017 No.9806951

>>9806926
exactly. think of what an unimaginable waste it is to allow whites to attend college when giving their spot to a genetically superior asian would give society a much bigger return on the investment.

in the glorious future all whites will be assigned by an all-asian educational board to vocational courses teaching them practical skills like data entry or hairdressing. no further education will be allowed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:24:29 2017 No.9806953 >>9806947 I love when people just throw the word "leftist" around as if that immediately invalidates everything said "leftist" has said.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:27:26 2017 No.9806956 File: 46 KB, 791x520, iq5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9806953 leftism in its all forms is a mental illness, it's a fair accusation when we are in /leftypol/ hideout of 4chan. >>9806950 Not an argument. Here's an argument for you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:32:16 2017 No.9806963 >>9806956 Arguments are nonexistent memes. Memes aren't arguments either. Sorry child.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:33:05 2017 No.9806966 >>9806963 Explain to me how the same people out of same public schools differ in IQ when ranked by race? Maybe the negro race is, dumber?

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:35:34 2017 No.9806971

>>9806956
hello this is tsang wang, assistant commisar for the betterment of of the pitiful whites. my data shows you're a white male and yet you're posting graphs. graphs have been deemed to lay outside the mental capacities of pale niggers by the chong commission. you will refrain from trying to comprehend scientific data and return to your workstation now.

also if i catch you looking at jav porn again i will be recommending you for involuntary sterilization. stay away from racially superior women. we cannon risk the pollution of asian blood with your bestial white genes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:35:52 2017 No.9806972 >>9806966 IQ is a meaningless metric, dope. You'd know that if you weren't dumber than the dumbfucks that skip school to smoke weed and shoot hoops. Holy fucking shit you pseudrights are dead in the head.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:37:24 2017 No.9806974 >>9806956 moron

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:37:56 2017 No.9806976 >>9806966 this board is for intelligent discussion. Please see yourself out, Cleetus.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:45:04 2017 No.9806986 Bump 1

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:48:44 2017 No.9806995 >>9806963 >>9806972 >>9806976 >your arguments are shit >provides no arguments of your own His statistical argument may be shit but yours isn't any better, you fucking morons

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:50:04 2017 No.9806999

>>9806972
>IQ is meaningless metric.
Not an argument.

>>9806976
>>9806974
Not an argument.

Children with high scores on tests of intelligence tend to learn more of what is taught in school than their lower-scoring peers.

IQ-test scores predict performance ratings in all occupations, for highly qualified activities (research, management) low IQ scores are more likely to be a barrier to adequate performance.

IQ exerts a causal influence on future academic achievement.

>The US military has minimum enlistment standards at about the IQ 85 level. There have been two experiments with lowering this to 80 but in both cases these men could not master soldiering well enough to justify their costs

An increase in IQ translates into an increase in performance at all levels of IQ: i.e. ability and job performance are monotonically linked at all IQ levels.

People with IQs between 70 and 90 have higher crime rates than people with IQs below or above this range, with the peak range being between 80 and 90.

A study of the relationship between US county-level IQ and US county-level crime rates found that higher average IQs were associated with lower levels of property crime, burglary, larceny rate, motor vehicle theft, violent crime, robbery, and aggravated assault.

Tambs et al. found that occupational status, educational attainment, and IQ are individually heritable; "genetic variance influencing educational attainment ... contributed approximately one-fourth of the genetic variance for occupational status and nearly half the genetic variance for IQ." In a sample of U.S. siblings, Rowe et al report that the inequality in education and income was predominantly due to genes, with shared environmental factors playing a subordinate role.

IQ is the single most tested and polished metric of measuring human brain power and it is pure leftist fiction of "humans are equal" crap to think it cannot be measured accurately nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:52:49 2017 No.9807005 >>9806995 An debate requires two equally plausible sides. I don't need an argument to tell him his is idiotic. His babble isn't even on topic in this /pol/-bait thread. He is clearly an underage flyover.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 04:57:43 2017 No.9807011 >>9807005 And you've provided no argument except "no that's not true" and "go back to /pol/", so I'd say his arguably supported argument was better than your completely ass-pulled one.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:03:52 2017 No.9807025

>>9807011
Anons already pointed out how IQ is an arbitrary number that has no real indication of success or intelligence. Continuing to spam "muh IQ" without valid sources to back of any of his claims is not a valid argument. It also goes against his white-centrist racial ideology, because that would mean Chinese and Japanese would be the most successful race. Sure, there are socio-economic problems that through historical factors have become entangled with race, but outside of specific contexts race has very little to do with anything, especially this shitty thread.
polite /sage/

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:07:16 2017 No.9807033

>>9807025
>without valid sources.
It is only the most studied metric used to measure humans I believe.
Even the Wikipedia article has more than enough references for its claims.

>. It also goes against his white-centrist racial ideology, because that would mean Chinese and Japanese would be the most successful race

Now you are putting words in my mouth and projecting your /pol/ boogeyman into me. I've already stated that I see nothing wrong with tasking people accordingly to their IQ.

You are pure ideology. Especially when you spread lies I have never said.

>Race has little to do anything.
Why do IQ tests done on same people out of same public schools show a massive divide between blacks and other races then? Is math racist?

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:12:55 2017 No.9807039

>>9807033
Is a standardized test an accurate assessment of one's complete mental ability and worth as a human being? No. I won't go in this direction, but the idea of human intelligence as limited in scope and quantifiable is itself flawed.
>Now you are putting words in my mouth and projecting your /pol/ boogeyman into me
Ah, so you're only targeting blacks because you aren't racist. Got it, newfriend.
>Why do IQ tests done on same people out of same public schools show a massive divide between blacks and other races then
Give me a source that isn't fox news or brietbart, please
I won't give you any more (you)s anyway. This has nothing to do with the thread and belongs on /pol/ with the rest of the garbage.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:16:22 2017 No.9807048

>>9807033
If I had an low IQ, but discovered some antibodies to treat sarcoma, or manage to became an USA president, what would that mean?
And what would mean if I did not manage it and be a blue collar worker my whole life?

What are the implications of this whole IQ thing?

Have you ever considered this or is it just a comforting thing for you to spout that blacks are inferior to you and here have this evidence?

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:16:58 2017 No.9807050 [DELETED]

>>9807039
>Give me a source that isn't fox news or brietbart, please
lol, pure ideology. >>9806956, unless you will now claim that people go to labor from Ivy league schools

>One's complete mental ability.
Complete enough. Don't play word tricks here.

80 IQ people couldn't even solder according to US Army standards.

Nice of you to not even reply to >>9806999.
Sources are provided by Wikipedia.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:20:27 2017 No.9807058

>>9807048
Don't be scared, you will not discover anything or become the POTUS with low (95 and lower) IQ.

>blacks are inferior to you
Group vs. individual, I never claimed this. Are blacks inferior to whites, overall as a group? Yes. Can there be outlier that manages to rank >140 IQ? Perhaps. Is that individual superior to me? Yes.

You lied with your friend when you claimed that ">. It also goes against his white-centrist racial ideology, because that would mean Chinese and Japanese would be the most successful race".

And there are skeptical people about Chinese IQ test. There's reason enough to believe that country inching towards yet another famine cannot have that high of an IQ as average. The people who are allowed to take the international tests come from a very limited selection of great individuals vs. west Europe/east Europe where they subject the populace in education to them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:21:18 2017 No.9807060 >>9807050 So your evidence is Wikipedia and a "market survey" that only leads back to /pol/ when dealing with race? Nice. >complete enough Sure thing, buddy. Like joining the US Army is a measure of success.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:22:03 2017 No.9807063 >>9807058 >Don't be scared, you will not discover anything or become the POTUS with low (95 and lower) IQ. How do you know that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:23:32 2017 No.9807065 >>9807058 Our current POTUS seems to have an IQ of under 65, so I'd say anything is possible.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:27:01 2017 No.9807074
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>>9807060
No, evidence is not Wikipedia. Do not spread lies that I have never said. I stated that the sources for those claims can be found in a neat order from Wikipedia.

>>9807065
Unless there was a bribery involved and everyone involved (entire university of Wharto) kept their mouth shut I doubt 65 IQ person could've passed that school. He also went from never being a politician to POTUS in about 2,5 years. A retard cannot do that.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:29:36 2017 No.9807077

what a fucking sad place this board has become that even here the most active thread is some redneck unironically copypasting walls of text in defense of scientific racism. do you have some other materials you need to share? maybe the leuchter report? what do you think about chemtrails?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:31:36 2017 No.9807080 >>9807077 Wikipedia is a liberal site and has liberal bias, yet has allowed these sources. You are attacking your own camp.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:33:37 2017 No.9807082 >>9807080 liberals are deeply racist and i'm not a liberal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:36:08 2017 No.9807087 >>9807082 I agree they're deeply racist, but do you have an argument why racism is not wanted? Then again, racism is deeply interconnected to most complex qualities and things as a safety mechanism (that can still be bypassed by bribery which is sad).

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:44:08 2017 No.9807100

>>9807058
>And there are skeptical people about Chinese IQ test. There's reason enough to believe that country inching towards yet another famine cannot have that high of an IQ as average. The people who are allowed to take the international tests come from a very limited selection of great individuals vs. west Europe/east Europe where they subject the populace in education to them.

literally laughed out loud when i read this. of course you believe fervently in the methodology that you imagine places you above blacks but immediately mistrust the same process when it places you below the chinese.

except of course chinese-americans have a higher iq than other americans, just like the the chinese in china, so you can't claim it's just china fucking with the tests. this is the exact same logic you used in this thread to argue the inherent inferiority of blacks. you HAVE to accept your own genetic inferiority to asians or else your whole argument falls apart.

do you admit to this? do you believe yourself to be of inferior breeding than asians? please don't evade the question any further.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:47:20 2017 No.9807107

>>9807087
>do you have an argument why racism is not wanted?

i oppose racism because of an ethical commitment to egalitarian justice. an actual old-school conservative would have respected this but unfortunately all we have now is degenerate reactionaries like you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:52:13 2017 No.9807113 Art is not there because reality sucks. Reality sucks so it can facilitate great art. The comic is inherently misguided because it thinks reality should be greater when aesthetics are actually the higjest virtue which a society should strive towards

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:53:16 2017 No.9807116

>>9807100
>same process when it places you below the chinese.
I do not mistrust it. I accept the process but be careful when applying to Chinese since they don't use it as West uses it. I already explained to you how the use differs. A country with starving population, low quality of education will not allow these mouth breathers to bring down their international test results while, at least Europe subjects the people in education to multiple IQ tests.

Again, nice of you to not reply to >>9806999
>>9806956

>>9807107
So do you consider IQ test racist? Is road to Presidency inherently racist because it is a complex difficult road that 80 IQ people can not take? Is life inherently racist since the candys don't get evenly split?

>calls other people degenerate while spouting one liner about egalitarian justice which relies on the individualism

Subjectivity leads necessarily to relativism everything is valid), reaching in this way the egalitarian conclusion of universalism (all are important).

Relativism cannot be surmounted except by the arbitration of one’s self (or of our selves): my point of view should prevail for the sole reason that it is mine (or that it is ours). The notions of justice and of the common good are destroyed in one blow.

The ideology of egalitarian justice combines these two errors. It is universalist insofar as it wishes to impose itself everywhere without consideration for relationships, traditions and contexts. It is subjectivist insofar as it defines rights as the subjective attributes of a single individual.

It belongs in the trash.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:53:23 2017 No.9807117 >>9807063 >>9807074 respond

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:56:17 2017 No.9807122 >>9807117 the lower the iq the less they're capable of pushing away instant gratification, thinking ahead towards future and passing complex (thought) processes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:58:18 2017 No.9807127 >>9807122 You did not respond How do you know that someone of low IQ would not contribute (whatever that means) to the society?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 05:59:57 2017 No.9807128 >>9807127 They're simply too stupid.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 06:03:48 2017 No.9807135

>>9807116
>I do not mistrust it. I accept the process but be careful when applying to Chinese since they don't use it as West uses it. I already explained to you how the use differs. A country with starving population, low quality of education will not allow these mouth breathers to bring down their international test results while, at least Europe subjects the people in education to multiple IQ tests.

haha now you're just actively ignoring parts of my posts to maintain your delusion. i already explained that the different use of the tests in china is irrelevant because when chinese immigrants get tested in america they get the same scores as the chinese in china. just as you wrote that blacks do worse in the same schools as whites because of their genetic inferiority you now have to admit chinese americans do better because of their genetic superiority.

why do you consistently refuse to admit the genetic superiority of asians even though all your own evidence and logic points to it? it's almost as if your whole belief system was a superstition and you had no respect for your "science" at all.

please prove me wrong and just write, plainly and without further evasion, that white people are genetically inferior to asians. it's the only way i could possibly respect you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 06:04:01 2017 No.9807137 >>9807128 Hello, never mind. I just figured out a use for low IQ/ability individuals and how they can contribute to society. They can be used in human tests and as a frontline in war (with fake bullets so they don't kill allies).

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 06:07:16 2017 No.9807144

>>9806995
Arguments are meaningless memes.
>>9806999
Oh look, more non-metrics.
>brain power
You've only listed mechanical tasks you flaming fagoretard.
IQ is a meaningless metric only claimed to have value by fagoretards like you with no actual mental capacity or achievements.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 06:07:43 2017 No.9807145 >>9807128 but do you understand that there is always even a slight possibility that even a "stupid" individual could contribute to the society in numerous ways? even could become POTUS or discover a cure for cancer?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 06:10:06 2017 No.9807151 How to spot a brainlet: >replaces God with IQ

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 06:20:29 2017 No.9807169

>>9807116
>It is universalist insofar as it wishes to impose itself everywhere without consideration for relationships, traditions and contexts.
>It belongs in the trash.

i believe in universalism because i believe in christ. yes, the revolution that is christianity "imposes itself everywhere without consideration for tradition" because the incarnation and its implications is the most radical notion to ever appear on planet earth. your attempts to throw christ and the justice he brings "in the trash" are all in vain. you are simply a heathen reveling in your neopagan depravity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 06:22:34 2017 No.9807174 The IQ guy is giving pol a bad name.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 06:37:15 2017 No.9807194 >>9807145 no response?>>9807116

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 06:45:22 2017 No.9807201 File: 233 KB, 350x370, dw brutal.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9803970 Saved

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 11:42:15 2017 No.9808013 >>9806758 It's choppy but I love it. I'll print it when I have the chance.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 11:56:44 2017 No.9808062 >>9806895 You came here in 2012 didn't you

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 13:05:43 2017 No.9808330 >>9806947 That pic makes me very angery

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 13:08:18 2017 No.9808338 >>9808330 Modern women for you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 13:49:44 2017 No.9808443 >>9808338 Modern Liberal women. Don't toss in the proper and rare pro-gun Conservative women. Still trying to find the one for me. No way am I sticking my un-wrapped cock into any Liberal cooch.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 14:24:05 2017 No.9808551 File: 252 KB, 500x453, 1495403840225.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9803191 >a poster on a website dedicated to escapism is denouncing an artist who is rationalizing his escapism

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 14:26:45 2017 No.9808558 >>9808551 what a worthless observation

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 14:32:00 2017 No.9808583 >>9808551 see >>9808558

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 14:32:42 2017 No.9808587 >>9808558 It is hypocritical for him to denounce the artist when he is indulging in the very same thing by posting here

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 14:38:27 2017 No.9808619

>>9808587
there's nothing about posting on the literature section of an image board that necessarily implies indulging in escapism. no hypocrisy is taking place because sharing a community with people who engage in escapism is not an endorsement of escapism. please rethink your stupid statements.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 14:43:05 2017 No.9808638

>>9808619
4chan culture, especially one based so much on anonymity does imply that one escape one's identity and troubles to shitpost, post memes or talk about shit, regardless of whether it is literature or not. That anon already endorsed 4chan's escapism by posting anonymously. Please think rethink your stupid statements.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 14:53:48 2017 No.9808683 >>9806870 >Implying it isn't childish bullshit

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 14:54:44 2017 No.9808684

>>9808638
engaging other people in conversation on the topic of literature is not escapism. it does not become escapism if done anonymously. this thread deals with escapism as a specific delusional mode of engaging with nerd entertainment and you're introducing an alternative definition that is absurdly broad in order to muddle the issue. "engaging in anonymous conversations with people" is a fundamentally different activity than "engaging with fiction in a delusional manner" and the anon in question is not hypocritical for denouncing one while participating in the other.

the respectable thing to do here would be to admit your original comment was thoughtless as opposed to deploying these cheap distractions.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 15:02:38 2017 No.9808719 >>9804111 God, you sound like such a teenager.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 15:02:45 2017 No.9808721
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>>9806947
Why do Americans call everyone they disagree with a fucking leftist? Is this what years of propaganda has done? America doesn't even have left-wing parties for fucks sake and the USSR has been dead for years.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 15:06:31 2017 No.9808743

>>9808684
You have given no reason why posting anonymously isn't escapism. It is not a board definition, if anything it is an extremely niche definition since it is really rare to speak to people anonymously.

>engaging in anonymous conversations with people" is a fundamentally different activity than "engaging with fiction in a delusional manner"
Both are being done to escape from reality regardless of how different the activity seems so yes, escapism.

The respectable thing to do here is to quit being so condescending and actually put forth an argument instead of making a long version "Nuh uh."

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 15:14:40 2017 No.9808783 >>9803386 Pop culture is just consumerism. That's all nerd culture is and nerd culture is pop culture.

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 15:24:18 2017 No.9808820

>>9808743
i'm sorry but i don't see how i could be any clearer in explaining that talking to a people and staring at a cartoon to avoid talking to people are not the same thing. the fact that you can sneakily apply the same word to both activities does not make them the same activity. i am reminded of some quote about how clever people think in concepts but idiots think in words.

the point you're trying to make is that what the two of us are doing right now - discussing a topic anonymously - is functionally identical to both of us sitting separately, alone, quietly pretending to be friends with spider-man. you're telling me i must either endorse both or denounce both. but as much as i think as a conversational parner you are pretty disingenuous i still believe that what we're doing together right now has value that being imaginary friends with cartoons hasn't so i must disagree with you. am i being clear now?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 15:28:44 2017 No.9808840 >>9803178 >shying away from abomination instead of hating it

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 15:33:51 2017 No.9808861 >>9808721 Right is right, and left is wrong My opinions are right therefore those who disagree with me are leftists Pretty simple logic anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 15:37:02 2017 No.9808876 >>9808719 thankfully you've avoided posting anything of substance so no one can ever accuse you of sounding like anything. pretty clever, anon!

Anonymous Wed Jul 26 15:48:27 2017 No.9808916

>>9808820
>i'm sorry but i don't see how i could be any clearer in explaining that talking to a people and staring at a cartoon to avoid talking to people are not the same thing. the fact that you can sneakily apply the same word to both activities does not make them the same activity. i am reminded of some quote about how clever people think in concepts but idiots think in words.
Another long winded way of saying 'Nuh uh, you are wrong!"

>is functionally identical
sufficiently similar would be the better words to use as I did to show that both conditions are sufficient for escapism.

>i must either endorse both or denounce both
I never gave such options, only i felt that rejecting one with such vitriol while indulging the other is stupid.

> i still believe that what we're doing together right now has value that being imaginary friends with cartoons hasn't
Wow an actual argument! Too bad it is just like your opinion man that I do not share and it doesn't link to how anonymously posting is not escapism regardless of value.
If anything I am regretting this conversation

>am i being clear now?
Your problem is not that you were hard to understand. If anything it is extremely easy to understand that you had no argument, only statements and assertions with nothing to back it up

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 15:53:26 2017 No.9808942 >>9808916 well with this post you've dropped below a certain threshold where talking to a cartoon would be an improvement. bye!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 15:59:18 2017 No.9808974 >>9808062 2003 after I got sick of getting banned from forums.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 16:00:58 2017 No.9808980 File: 67 KB, 913x789, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9803201 Imagine being (You)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 16:29:45 2017 No.9809118 >>9803375 I never set foot there, and that's coming from a /b/ tard

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 17:32:00 2017 No.9809369 If you don't have a 6:1 non-fiction to ficton ratio you're a manchild

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 17:32:31 2017 No.9809371 >>9804936 U N D E R R A T E D How the fuck did it take someone this to point that out? So much for "/lit/"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 17:40:14 2017 No.9809397 >>9809371 The parenthesis in the middle of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 17:41:36 2017 No.9809405 By allowing the non-fictional world to fill you with vitriol and doubt you can enjoy and rejoice in the unrealness of it. There's no need to run to the safety of fiction, you're already living in a cartoonish hell.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 21:00:38 2017 No.9810210 File: 40 KB, 227x248, 2017-07-26.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9803178 What is he thinking?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 21:04:37 2017 No.9810223 >>9806794 They turned to stories to cope with the difficulties of life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 21:05:56 2017 No.9810229 >>9803178 This triggers me hard. Go to /co/ or /tv/ he'll try another site. There is plenty of fighting more than here honestly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 21:06:33 2017 No.9810235 >>9806818 >>9806866 >>9806903 This is why I come to /lit/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 21:21:15 2017 No.9810301 >>9809371 Because we can understand it fine without complaining about if its grammatically correct.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 22:07:26 2017 No.9810519 >>9808721 are you some kind of leftist provocateur?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 22:08:31 2017 No.9810527 >>9806802 >China in charge of statistics

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 22:13:17 2017 No.9810544 >>9808721 >USSR IS DEAD >anyone who disagrees with me is A FASCIST NAZI Don't really see how you're the one in the right, famalam.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 22:14:13 2017 No.9810549 >>9809369 Non-fiction is for manchildren though. >m'lady! w'd ye lijk t' luk thru me collection o' Hitler and co. autobiographies?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 26 22:17:15 2017 No.9810555 >>9803201 Imagine there's no heaven

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 27 00:17:06 2017 No.9810998 >>9804972 >Tfw doggos are nazis

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 27 10:37:23 2017 No.9812617 >>9806758 >>9806758 Where is sffg? Where is ziek? Where is spooks?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 27 12:20:20 2017 No.9813063 >>9803446 yeah you're basically describing 4chan including this board we're on right now...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 27 12:24:24 2017 No.9813095 >>9803201 Are you winning, son?

Anonymous Thu Jul 27 12:24:30 2017 No.9813097

>>9803178
Imagine if the men debating the proclamation of independence, or the reformation of christianity, or any of the many instances throughout history where we engaged in heated and vitriolic discourse, had simply ran away and immersed themselves in childrens stories.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 27 12:25:51 2017 No.9813108 File: 134 KB, 837x840, 1486329663068.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9810210

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 27 12:31:33 2017 No.9813137 Not trying to put on a "hard man" act or something. BUT >not being able to handle non-fiction What is wrong with these people? How to do they survive in life?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 27 12:53:28 2017 No.9813233 >>9813137 Welfare.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 27 13:58:58 2017 No.9813516 >>9813108 haha, those wacky sjws sure can't discuss politics without pop culture analogies! they should all take the red pill already!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 27 15:51:27 2017 No.9814074 File: 17 KB, 356x294, tumblr_n3rv17ikJT1rz58o3o1_400.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9803386 >he has to ask

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