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Nationalism really triggers me sometimes. It's so fucking spooked we can't even know what's good or worth in it for us.

>> No.9790968

>>9790882
Wow, Anon. I can tell you are way too intelligent and independent spirited to be sucked into the disease of nationalism.

>> No.9791093

I'm not even a nationalist but you should not be listening to the opinion of some retarded kike like Einstein on politics.

>> No.9791156

>>9791093
>Calling Einstein retarded,

Only on this god forsaken website.

>> No.9791186

>>9791156
Feel free to fuck off back to redit.

>> No.9791221

nationalism is just some other form of modernist cancer that has ruined our traditions,

>> No.9791228

>>9791156
He didn't call him retarded, he called him retarded on his opinion on politics.

>> No.9791246

Patriotism A-OK

>> No.9791279

>>9790882
Yep, but a nationalist state will always btfo a non nationalist state in a war, so it's here to stay I think

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>> No.9791470

>>9791156
Einstein was not smart. People thought he was stupid/slow and he failed his entrance exams. It was only after he got a job in a Swiss patent office and jewed a bunch of ideas off German scientists that he suddenly became a genius. Then he started shilling for international jewry and zionism so the elders memed his name into being synonymous with the word "genius." Semites are not innovators.

>> No.9791528
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>> No.9791537

>>9791528
the cucks of WW2

>> No.9791541

> Nationalists are so deluded
> Good thing the Internationalists and Hyper-Rationalists know what's best for me!

>> No.9791558

>>9791528
*loses his country to nationalists*

>> No.9791589

>>9791470
>Semites are not innovators.
>civilization started with the greeks

>> No.9791609

>>9791528
What, this fucker hated Algerians more than the fascists in AF

>> No.9791622

Cosmopolites make me sick, anyone else who seriously calls themselves a "citizen of the world" in my mind is revealing a far deeper hatred of the Other than any particularist

>> No.9791629

>>9791470
Come on dude, please don't be dumb. Be racist all you want but please don't be this dumb.

>> No.9791637

>>9791156
You can be a good scientist and still have trash understanding of life. Because you contribute to the Manhattan project that means you know what is best for society?

>> No.9791646

>>9790882
I really don't know why anons would be nationalist and/or nazi sympathizers.

Most of us are the underdogs of society so why associate yourselves with ideologies that would stomp you into the ground?

It's like nerds think Chad won't flush their heads in the toilet if they cheer him while he's doing it to other outsiders.

>> No.9791657

>>9791646
Perhaps Chad is shoving your head in the toilet because of your narcissistic hyper individualism, not because of his nationalism

>> No.9791668

>>9791637
>You can be a good scientist and still have trash understanding of life
einstein pulled out the Naked Man before it was cool, he understood life alright

>> No.9791678

>Jewish guy telling goys nationalism is bad

well that's kind of self-serving isn't it?

>> No.9791689

>>9790882
Good, I assume Einstein viciously opposed any notion of a homeland for Jews then?

>> No.9791700

>>9790882
Nationalism has its problems, but it's better than some alternatives.

Racism is redpilled, though.

>> No.9791713

>>9791689
he was a zionist and they supposedly wanted him to be the first president or prime minister of israel or whatever, but he wanted israel to be socialist instead of capitalist so he turned it down, besides he was living large at princeton why the hell would he want to relocate to a desert colony in the middle of a warzone, lets be real

>> No.9791724

i know why people equate nationalism with authoritarianism but not all nationalists favor that kind of shit.

i'm a nationalist but in a pretty broad sense in that i consider the whole of the western world one nation due to very similar cultures and values. and i don't give a shit about race or ethnicity.

>> No.9791725

>>9791657
It's an analogy. You are not part of the Übermensch, Chad is going to flush your head down the toilet once he's down with me.

>>9791689
IIRC he sort of was against it.

>> No.9791730

>>9791668
Maybe if he had some concern for the well being for the people of his Nation, he would have realised flashing your genitals is socially damaging

>> No.9791736

>>9791156
You don't ask Babe Ruth to explain politics.

>> No.9791739

>>9791629
I'm not seeing an argument...

>> No.9791743

>>9791700
Nationalism is a joke and racism is for dumbasses.

>> No.9791763

>>9791725
He was for it. He was proudly Jewish

>> No.9791765

American nationalism is retarded, it's just Imperial Globalisation. Real nations exist and they extend beyond the NSDAP

>> No.9791773

>>9791743
And the opposite is for the clearly eloquent and enlightened like yourself.

>> No.9791780

>>9791765
>it's just Imperial Globalisation

why u mad tho? from a european shithole that's in debt to germany?

>> No.9791782

>nation states are a bad thing

>> No.9791784

>>9791743
>racism is for dumbasses
So 99% of people are dumbasses? If you think like that you're in for a life full of frustration.

>> No.9791785

>>9791765
>American nationalism is retarded, it's just Imperial Globalisation
No it's not, what are you talking about?

>> No.9791789

>>9791725
Chad is performing a socialising necessity, if your a special snowflake fag getting flushed by Chad prepares you for when Mahmoud tells you to kneel towards Mecca

>> No.9791799

>>9791785
Not him, but it kinda de facto is. Most Americans seem pretty happy with it or at least indifferent to it. If not, why do SJW parades draw way more people than anti-invasion parades?

>> No.9791802

>>9791789
Jesus Christ, since when did being a nerd count as being a special snowflake.

Nerds really have started worshipping Chad.

>> No.9791805

>>9791784
>So 99% of people are dumbasses?
Yes.

>> No.9791806

>>9791785
If Trump was a Nationalist he wouldn't be beholden to international business interests and securing American power overseas

>> No.9791808

>>9791802
well now that venture capital money men have totally taken over tech it's important to get comfortable with the guy you will have to beg for cash to start your startup

>> No.9791809
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Wait, isn't nationalism just a form of patriotism? What's wrong with taking pride in ones nation? I'm confused.
t. brainlet

>> No.9791813

>>9791743
TINY HANDS XD

>> No.9791817

>>9791809
you're only allowed to take pride in israel, every other nation is basically racist ok

>> No.9791820

What the fuck is then point of the sticky when the /pol/ution is never dealt with?

>> No.9791826

>>9791809
Nations are a spook

>> No.9791828

>>9791802
Anyone who unironically calls themselves a "nerd" deserves a beating, saying this as someone who typically likes "nerd" activities. A completely souless, consumerist identity

>> No.9791834

>>9791799
Nationalism is antithetical to globalism, like, literally the opposite.

>>9791806
Who said he was?

>> No.9791840

>>9791828
>A completely souless, consumerist identity

yes, nerd shit is all about buying action figures and watching hollywood media...i think geeks are respectable tho since most of them are all about hacking away on open source code that makes billions of dollars for corporations like ibm, redhat, google, etc. while living in their mom's basement, how noble

>> No.9791842

>>9791809
No, a lot of people in here saying they hate nationalism apparently don't understand what the word actually means.

>> No.9791854

>>9791809
Patriotism as per Pearse is belief plus service towards your Nation, it implys an existing investment in Nationalism. IE Soviet Patriotism just supplemented Russian imperialism for the notion of the Soviet federation (itself already heavily formed by Russian Ethno-nationalism)

>> No.9791856

>>9791809
Nationalism is the advancement of your nation and its interests over the interests of others. Patriotism is just pride in one's country.

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That's rich coming from Einstein, an ardent Zionist himself. But again, not surprising coming from a Jew

>> No.9791866

>>9791828
Man, you must be young, before being a geek/nerd became cool it used to be an insult. Also you're confusing nerd and geek.

Geek is the consumerist identity.

>> No.9791867

>>9791834
>Nationalism is antithetical to globalism, like, literally the opposite.
nationalism involves the same destructive forces as globalism but on a smaller scale. plenty of traditions have been lost at the hands of nationalism and its homogenization efforts.

>> No.9791875

>>9791867
>plenty of traditions have been lost

but if all cultures have equal values then if one culture is "lost" and replaced by another no value has been destroyed or created so who gives a shit? "traditions" are spooks my dude

>> No.9791881

>>9791875
if values don't exist having equal value doesn't mean anything, if you want to be unspooked go all the way not half way

>> No.9791884

>>9791856
When someone calls someone a Patriot, the first image it conjure s is they did something extraordinary to instill pride like national service. It's a label that should be reserved for those who deserve it, not just anybody who likes the concept of the nation

>> No.9791896

>>9791867
>nationalism involves the same destructive forces as globalism but on a smaller scale.
That's extremely debatable trending toward false. Nationalism desires to maintain culture and identity, globalism is the destruction of those things.

>> No.9791900

>>9791896
what does "maintaining culture and identity" even mean? that i can only drink one brand of beer when i go to a bar? what does "identity" even mean other than consumerist shit

>> No.9791901

>>9791528
>loving other people you don't even know

this is literally biologically impossible

>> No.9791903

>>9791896
Nationalism seeks to destroy all cultures and identities but one, globalism seeks to destroy all. The difference is very small.

>> No.9791906

>>9791866
What does being a "nerd" mean bring to you? You're some special subculture for liking hentai and playing videogames, I like those things but let's not pretends it's pathetic result of modern life

>> No.9791913

>>9791896
nationalism requires an homogeneous society inside the nation so differences have to be purged and transformed

>> No.9791914

>>9791896
>muh culture!
Which nationalism seeks to utterly destroy if it has its way

>> No.9791919

>>9791900
Identity refers to the race and traditional culture of a people, which is what nationalism seeks to preserve.

>> No.9791923

Do you have likely have a different idea of the role of government/social and economic policy than people in Saudi Arabia?

Do you accept that these political values are outgrowths of the culture, history and mores of a certain ethnocultural Tribe?

Given these irreconcilable differences, wouldn't it be better if you lived under different laws from them, alongside members of your own Tribe?

If you answered yes to these questions, then you must agree that nations are a worthwhile tool of human organization, not just "muh arbitrary borders"?

>> No.9791926

>>9791903
Nations intend on being universalising? If that was the case it wouldn't hinge on exclusive membership

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>things i don't like are spooks

>> No.9791933

>>9791923
The view that values the existence of many nations at once is not nationalism, it's something else. Other than that, I agree.

>> No.9791934

>>9791589
Mesopotamians weren't Semites. Mesopotamians invented the alphabet and the Egyptians jewed it off them and turned it into twisted hieroglyphs.

>> No.9791935

>>9791622
well, what about internationalists who want cooperation between nations instead of the cult of national "traits" you don't even know exist or are just propaganda...

>>9791724
you an internationalist then?

>>9791765
true and not the first time nationalism has led to imperialism

>>9791799
>Most Americans seem pretty happy with it or at least indifferent to it.

until some planes come flying in your direction

>> No.9791940

>>9791903
>Nationalism seeks to destroy all cultures and identities but one
This is simply not true, and that you would make such a stupid assumption is a good example of how globalist propaganda has brainwashed so many to think the preservation of race and culture is the threat it isn't.

>> No.9791941

>>9791926
Since the poster boy for nationalism is Nazi Germany, universalisation is usually seen as a part of nationalistic program

>> No.9791946

>>9791933
Any view that centres and values the concept of the Nation is in itself essentially nationalist.

>> No.9791947

>>9791913
Differences can be cultivated and preserved, it's outsiders who are purged and removed under nationalism.

>> No.9791952

>>9791914
Lol. What? Please, you may be too young to participate in this conversation, friend.

>> No.9791954

>>9791919
Not that anon but race has less to do with identity and more to do with social context. "Identity" is not built with external components, contrary to what tumblr and /pol/ will lead you to believe.
Read some Sartre, Heidegger, Nietzsche, Ralph Ellison, Virginia Woolf, etc.

>> No.9791958

>>9791954
Race has to do with genetics as well

>> No.9791961

>>9791934
>Mesopotamians weren't Semites
?
>Egyptians jewed it off them
What does this even mean?

>> No.9791963

>>9791954
>race has less to do with identity and more to do with social context.
Race is the single most important component of identity, it is the thing from which all else stems.

>> No.9791965

>>9791963
Source: my ass

>> No.9791969

>>9791935
Being an "internationalist" is predetermined by an investment in Nationalism, it's in the etymology of the word itself. Nationalism does not mean you hate other nations, it means you value the interests of yours over others, you don't place the same value on other families over your own immediate and if you do your a piece of shit probably. Being a Cosmopolitan means you believe you have as much a vested interest in the lives of the Other as you do in your own, an imperial notion in itself

>> No.9791971

>>9791947
>Differences can be cultivated and preserved, it's outsiders who are purged and removed under nationalism.
nationalism have purged plenty of regional languages and customs, it's a homogenizing force like globalism contaminated by modernity. we have to go back further if we truly want to preserve our traditions.

>> No.9791974

>>9791961
He's right, even if unintentionally. Mesopotamia/Sumer began as an Indo-European civilization that was later taken over by semites symbolized in the cultural transformation into Akkadian.

>> No.9791975

If you're not a communist you're confirmed as a piece of shit. Sorry, non-communists, but it's a fact.

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I love how this board so uneducated on politics it doesn't even know the difference between ethnic and civic nationalism

Also humans are tribalistic creatures, nationalism filled the vacuum left by christendom. Removing nationalism will just increase racism. Remove racism and it will probably be replaced with intellectualism.