/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.9734766]

>tfw wagecuckery inhibits me from pursuing my literary ambitions

Wat do, /lit/? I don't want to be a 9-to-5 monkey.

[Anonymous No.9734781]

>>9734766
Write while you're at work and edit at home. That's what I do. I'm about as productive at work as my coworkers too, so it doesn't really interfere with anything.

[Anonymous No.9734782]

>>9734766
Get money to survive through either begging or stealing. Be homeless.

Or move home to your parents or friends, where you don't have to pay rent, work all you can for a year and save everything, then take a few years off

[Anonymous No.9734783]

Even Kafka only worked from 7 to 3

[Anonymous No.9734790]

>>9734766
>mondays
This concept doesn't exist. Stop being a bitch. "Monday" isn't real. "Tired" isn't a real adjective. "Sleep schedule" isn't a real function. Stop being a retarded bitch.

[Anonymous No.9734793]

>>9734783
>only worked from 7-3
That's still an 8-hour workday.

[Anonymous No.9734797]

Move to a country where you can live off welfare

[Anonymous No.9734799]

>>9734793
Yeah, it's a whole lot better than a 12 hour work day.

[Anonymous No.9734807]

>>9734766
>I don't like work--no man does--but I like what is in the work--the chance to find yourself. Your own reality--for yourself not for others--what no other man can ever know. They can only see the mere show, and never can tell what it really means.

[Anonymous No.9734809]

>>9734790
Stirner that you?

[Anonymous No.9734824]

>>9734783
>writer
>worked

I don't know if you know what that word means.

[Anonymous No.9734830]

>>9734783
>>9734793
STOP FUCKING POSTING LIES ABOUT KAFKA YOU FUCKING NORMIE SHITS

HE WORKED FROM 8AM TO 2PM AND EVEN THEN USUALLY TURNED UP 30 MINUTES LATE TO WORK HIS CO-WORKERS RECALL

STOP IT STOP IT STOEO-AOFASOLF SIDJFUSDJSNDISDNFFDSHDVSDHVBDVDHVJFDBVHFXVFDHVSDHVDBHFDVHFD

[Anonymous No.9734835]

>>9734830
Shut up anon he literally worked 16 hour days and only slept for half hour a night

[Anonymous No.9734847]

>>9734830
I heard that nigger worked 20 hours until he literally collapsed on his desk.

[Anonymous No.9734874]

>>9734790
Okay, NEET. When you decide to finally become an adult, then we'll talk.

[Anonymous No.9734879]

>>9734766

So, how would anti-capitalists solve this problem? Could they maintain current standards of living, or make them better, while having us work substantially fewer hours? If so, how?

[Anonymous No.9734882]

>>9734766
I find free time at work and work on writing, or at least do research for my writing. I keep an evening a week free to work on it, but if plans fall through its borrowed time.
Also, cutting out my time waters at home has helped, so I don't really play videogames or watch tv anymore. I still come here, though.

[Anonymous No.9734892]

>>9734879
robots

[Anonymous No.9734902]

>tfw doing admin for a health trust
>my whole day's work amounts to 1 hour, which I break up over the span of the day to seem busy and to justify my job
>in reality I spend most of my time reading

Who else knows this feel?

[Anonymous No.9734917]

>>9734902
>Or move home to your parents or friends, where

I hope for you that it will last a long time, but you may be in deep shit when you have to find another job

[Anonymous No.9734919]

>>9734892
kek

[Anonymous No.9734931]

I hate working life so much

>wake up at 6 AM
>cant enjoy the morning at all because thinking about my shitty boring job
>have to get dressed in tight, uncomfortable clothes, have to tuck my shirt in (seriously, why the fuck is it the standard we have to wear the most uncomfortable clothes possible to work?)
>have to drive and wait in traffic which is surprisingly infuriating
>have to be at the office and act happy even though inside I feel terrible
>after 8 and a half unbelievably tedious hours, have to drive home in traffic, which is basically like another hour of work
>when i get home I'm super tired and depressed, don't feel like doing anything, know I only have 4-5 more hours to get anything out of the day at all
>repeat 5 days a week

[Anonymous No.9734936]

>>9734917

>When you respond to the wrong post but your response still applies

[Anonymous No.9734940]

>>9734766
the problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money

t. economics 101

[Anonymous No.9734953]

>>9734879
>So, how would anti-capitalists solve this problem?

Sharia law and the enslavement of white males/heterosexuals

[Anonymous No.9734956]

>unironically uses meme words like wage cuck
>unironically holds meme views like socialism

[Anonymous No.9734970]

>>9734931
>not doing a shitty translation job from home

[Anonymous No.9734977]

>>9734953
Yeah, OP fails to mention that a beta ideology like socialism would almost immediately end up being dominated by something like Islam. It's exactly what happened in Iran and in houellebecq's Submission.

[Anonymous No.9734979]

how would pro-capitalists solve the 1% problem? Ask them nicely to stop making money and hope it goes back to the 99%?

[Anonymous No.9734986]

>>9734979
Economic inequality is not a problem in itself.

[Anonymous No.9734987]

>>9734979
by stealing white people's hard earned dosh and redistributing it among rapefugees, ghetto dwellers and heroin addicted crustpunks

[Anonymous No.9734990]

>>9734977
Opening up your asshole for your corporate boss is real alpha.

[Anonymous No.9734992]

>>9734986
Nothing is a problem 'in itself', fat retard

[Anonymous No.9734996]

>>9734990
better than opening your asshole for the purple haired marxist tumblrblob at diversity and human resources.

[Anonymous No.9734997]

Stick with it OP, don't quit your job, you'll regret it. In 10 years, providing you live in Western Europe or a CANZUK country UBI will kick in and you'll have all those sweet NEETbucks.

[Anonymous No.9734998]

>>9734987
The fact that you think most poor people work infinitely harder than rich people shows how much of a deluded yuppie you are. I swear, lit is the largest congregation of retards on the entire internet.

[Anonymous No.9735003]

>>9734998
don't work harder*

[Anonymous No.9735006]

>>9734990
>for your corporate boss
You sound like a parody of a hippy. Have you ever actually had a job?

[Anonymous No.9735009]

>>9735006
Yeah, you sound like a real "hippy"

[Anonymous No.9735011]

>>9734998
You can't make this shit up, go watch Louder with Crowder faggot

[Anonymous No.9735016]

>>9735011
Holy shit, you just suggested me some fucking who and I like him up, and he's a fucking You tuner. What are you 12? Is your point to show me you're a 12 year old yuppie? You know who watches youtubers? 12 year old yuppies.
Embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.9735017]

>>9734979
What is the problem exactly?

[Anonymous No.9735025]

>>9734998
it's about working hard, but most of all its about working smart, about contributing something of real value to society. Think Google, think Elon Musk. The people who are innovating and truly bringing progress forward. Think me. I work hard. I've got a land rover a model tier girlfriend and a cabin on the shores of Lake Tahoe. I fucking earned all of this, 10 fucking years of hard work. Meanwhile you were sitting on your ass smoking pot and pretending to write a novel while living on money from your parents and complaining about capitalism on the internet.

[Anonymous No.9735028]

>>9735025
10 isn't a very long time

[Anonymous No.9735032]

>>9734766
These pictures make me annoyed. It's like, yeah I'm sorry you have to be a breadwinner and produce something because people won't give you free shit. The world's smallest violin plays for you.
I know there are a litany of people who think in some communist utopia they'd really be able to follow their dreams but they'd probably just waste more time online doing nothing like they already do because most people are incredibly unremarkable.

[Anonymous No.9735043]

>>9735025
>>9735025
>Google
>Elon Musk
>something of value to society
haha
You think fucking ELON MUSK has made anything of value? You think the internet is something of value to "society"? Progress? Have you read even the most basic entry level philosophers you fucking grade A faggot?

You know what, *breathes in* its fine its fine heheh not everyone is intelligent. It's okay. I should forgive you...
No.
You should forgive me. Forgive me for wasting my FUCKING TIME YOU PIECE OF SHIT COME ON HERE TALKING ABOUT ELON MUSK???? YOU FUCKING IDIOT GET OUT OF MY SIGHT

[Anonymous No.9735051]

>>9734931
How's the water?

[Anonymous No.9735052]

>>9735043
PayPal has made society better by introducing a model for online transactions you massive faggot.

[Anonymous No.9735056]

>>9735043
Holy shit leftists are idiotic

[Anonymous No.9735060]

>>9735052
PayPal has advanced the industrial society. Furthering the evolutionary mismatch of humans to their environment.
THE BIGGER THEY ARE THE HARDER THEY FALL

[Anonymous No.9735065]

>>9735056
>leftist
You think I'm playing your politics game? Yikes.

Get on my level, child. I'm mountains above

[Anonymous No.9735071]

>>9735025
I'm sorry little man, I couldn't hear you over the sound of my yacht. I'm literally dictating this message to a maid who shitposts for me. I don't even read /lit/ anymore I'm so fucking wealthy. I just have this bitch read it to me. Your life is always going to be shit and you didn't earn anything. I inherited my money and bought a yacht with it. I didn't work for a single cent.

[Anonymous No.9735082]

>>9734766
what anticapitalist do not understand is that marxism did not lose the coldwar, but won it merely morphing into an all pervasive cultural marxism. equality no longer stands just for economic equality, but for the abolition of all traditional cultures, family, gender, morality, and individual identity. That's why leftists today are more likely to be found working with radical islamists and normalising pedophilia and other 'lgbt rights' rather than organising the workers.

[Anonymous No.9735083]

>>9735060
What the fuck are you talking about? Humans are adapting to the environment. Paypal leads to more transactions happening without using phsyical goods. How Dense can you be?

[Anonymous No.9735092]

>>9735052
How does a model for online transaction improve society? And further, how does society benefit the individual? But focus on one at a time, my dear friend.

[Anonymous No.9735096]

>>9735082
>the Left wants to abolish all traditional cultures, family, gender, morality
>the Left works with radical Islamists

Pick one

[Anonymous No.9735098]

>"I hate work! I wish I spent all day doing nothing, that's why I'm a communist."

Meanwhile, in communist countries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subbotnik
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakhanovite_movement

[Anonymous No.9735106]

>>9735096
leftists are not rational, they are driven by resentment and hatred of the west. To the leftist, whoever falls into the category of 'oppressed' is pure and blameless. Even pedophiles and islam are merely beautifully expressing their 'equally valid' cultures.

[Anonymous No.9735107]

>>9735092
It reduces transaction costs and connects willing trade partners that had no ability to do so.
The individual benefits from access to trades that otherwise would have never happened.

[Anonymous No.9735108]

Wake up earlier. Stop trying to date. Don't get married or have kids until you have a substantial portfolio. Work in a stimulating career. Don't go out most weekends, but stay in and write. Carry a notebook at work and jot ideas as they come.

You have more free time than you think. Quit your day job as soon as you have a reasonable belief you can live off of writing alone. DeLillo did exactly this, along with a handful of other successful writers

[Anonymous No.9735110]

>>9735096
Muslims are an 'oppressed minority' so leftcucks love them and they dont mind reaching out to extremists groups to help integrate them (lol) or to keep muslimyouth in check..

[Anonymous No.9735115]

>>9734979
>I may be making double my income from 20 years ago, but my boss is making 210%!
The only problem is your envy combined with lack of ambition.

[Anonymous No.9735119]

>>9735106
Pedophilia is part of traditional Western culture, "pedophilia is bad" maymay was started by feminists in the late 19th century/early 20th century

[Anonymous No.9735121]

>>9735098
Meanwhile, in communist countries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%9322
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_famine_of_1919%E2%80%931922
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%9322
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1946%E2%80%9347

[Anonymous No.9735125]

>>9735107
And how does the individual benefit from access to these trades which otherwise never would've happened?

[Anonymous No.9735126]

>>9735108
Too much discipline breh, all I wanna do right now is smoke dope and write poetry.

[Anonymous No.9735128]

>>9735025
How exactly did you earn all of that?

Share some tips, Rockefeller

[Anonymous No.9735129]

>>9734956
Calling things a meme just makes your argument less valid

[Anonymous No.9735134]

>>9735125
Trade is mutually beneficial a prioi. People who trade demonstrate that they value the other thing more than the thing they're giving up.

[Anonymous No.9735140]

>>9735119
>>9735106
Even this board is filled with right wing degeneracy

[Anonymous No.9735143]

>>9735125
trade is voluntary exchange, to which the only alternative is coerced exchange, ie. government tyranny, marxism, famine, sharia and sjw

[Anonymous No.9735146]

>>9735140
You should call your dad and apologize.

[Anonymous No.9735147]

>>9735108
And by a stimulating career I mean something intellectual engaging, like law or academia, editing or journalism.

[Anonymous No.9735149]

>>9734979

Tax the shit out of them.

[Anonymous No.9735150]

>>9734940
>>9734998
>>9735056
>>9735082
>>9735106
>>9735121
>>9735140
Holy fuck

[Anonymous No.9735156]

>>9735043
>Have you read even the most basic entry level philosophers you fucking grade A faggot?

have you read this baby? Thomas Sowell is THE based negro. imo.

[Sage No.9735157]

>>9735140
>Right wing
>degenerate
>conservatism is degenerate
I think you'll find that it is impossible for traditional values to be degenerate, per the definition of the word.

That said, saged and reported. This thread has absolutely nothing to do with /lit/. If you would like to talk about politics, there is already a board for that

>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.9735160]

>>9735147
>intellectually engaging, like editing

[Anonymous No.9735179]

>>9734931
>the most uncomfortable clothes possible

This so fucking much. The shoes I wear to job interviews, marketed as "comfortble", cut open the back of my feet. The skirt is annoying to put on, it's difficult to walk in the shoes, the shirt is annoying, and I can't cycle in it, so I have to cycle in spats and a tank top even in freezing weather, then put the office clothes on over top. I don't even have a job, just tons of interviews. I hate those clothes so fucking much. And what I currently wear is hundred times better than a full skirtsuit. Blazers with padding in the shoulders... I ripped all the padding out in a hate-fueled spree. Have you ever walked 3 miles to a job interview in a fucking skirtsuit in half a foot of snow and 10 F weather? It was ridiculous. Fucking ridiculous. Why does it matter what I wear if I'm in a cubicle hell and not interacting with customers? RRRRRRRRREE. And they want me to wear makeup. I literally don't even know how to apply makeup, so I just dab on some skin-toned liquid stuff I found half price at the grocery store using my finger until it looks good. And pantyhose...fuck them! FUCK THEM.

Shoes that are uncomfortable to walk in are just torture devices.

And all that? Still unemployed because I'm "timid" (read: I have a soft voice and the normies are outgoing retards who think everyone should party on the weekends and spend all day texting like they do and have that annoying valley girl voice and fake nails.)

[Anonymous No.9735180]

>>9735121
>overexploitation of work
>still starves

Truly the pinnacle of human socieconomical evolution

[Anonymous No.9735187]

>>9735179
hnnnnnngh

[Anonymous No.9735188]

>>9735121
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_failure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression

[Anonymous No.9735194]

>>9734879
Eliminate the worthless jobs in the service sector, competitive retail, advertising, finance, etc.. Let people share a less numerous but more essential collection of jobs. Reform urban planning and transportation to be less wasteful of time/energy. Concentrate most research and development on achieving full automation.

[Anonymous No.9735196]

>>9735188
>he doesn't know the great depression was a product of excessive government intervention

[Anonymous No.9735204]

>>9735188
>Eliminate the worthless jobs in the service sector, competitive retail, advertising, finance, etc.. Let people share a less numerous but more essential collection of jobs. Reform urban planning and transportation to be less wasteful of time/energy. Concentrate most research and development on achieving full automation.

>>9735194
Who is going to plan all of this? How are they going to plan all of this? How do they know if they're employing resources to their greatest valued use? Rational planning cannot exist without the signals given by a profit/loss system that comes from demonstrated preferences by consumers. Mises and Hayek won the social calculation debate, improve the world in their footsteps instead of regressing to failures.

[Anonymous No.9735206]

When can we stop the socialism meme?

[Anonymous No.9735210]

>>9735194
communists want 'full automation' so they can spend their days absorbed in VR gay sex and nihilistic drug abuse. That's why Leftists are, imo, the epitome of Nietszche's Last Man. By abolishing masters they will create a world of slaves.

[Anonymous No.9735218]

>>9734766
Join the military. Be a 0500-1800 monkey.

[Anonymous No.9735241]

>>9735206
The Socialism meme is the best thing since sliced bread for ultra-capitalists, never before have people been so willing to embarrass their ideology so publicly.

[Anonymous No.9735247]

>>9735194
>bro if we just like, fix stuff, stuff will be good

[Anonymous No.9735253]

>>9734766
That retarded picture really compliments the childish mentality of your post. Very fine aesthetics desu.

I used to have the same outlook when I was a teenager, but becoming homeless greatly changed my perspective. I work 32 hours a week, emptying and filling trucks manually with heavy packages. It is a shitjob, but I like it – excellent coworkers, lots of excercise, no dealing with costumers, no mental gymnastics and no corporate scheming. Physical labour is the GOAT.

I have plenty of time to read, write, work out, play music, draw and generally having a good time. Work is work. You can be smart and realistic about it and come to terms with the structure of our society or you can be a daydreaming bitch. It sounds like your so-called literary "ambitions" have very little to do with the art of writing itself, but rather as a means to the goal of wealth and fame.

[Anonymous No.9735259]

>>9735194
>Reform urban planning and transportation to be less wasteful of time/energy
We can't because of unions.

[Anonymous No.9735266]

>>9735204
Planners decide on a desired standard of living and organize the products/services required for it, distributing it universally to the population. No bullshit trying to calculate constantly-shifting consumer preferences to make sure little Jimmy gets the latest fidget spinner meme toy. Production efficiency will aim to minimize labor time and use resources in accordance with their basic material scarcity.

[Anonymous No.9735270]

>>9735210
>>9735241
>dude socialism is just like i don't wanna work man
Wage labour ruined work, working is not for helping and contributing to society now, it's just a gateway to income

[Anonymous No.9735276]

>>9735253
Some wisdom

[Anonymous No.9735277]

>>9735270
A job only exists if it is deemed to be a valuable allocation of labor by the market, which is just a fancy way of saying that it contributes to society in some way.

[Anonymous No.9735281]

>>9735266
How to they get the information to rationally use the resources? They literally can't, forcing them to pull it out of their ass. The outcome is far less efficient than anything a market will lead to.
Why do you think Venezuelans rely on bitcoin market transactions to get basic necessities? Or North Koreans going through black markets as the only way to feed themselves? The market provides.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/hykKnw1.html

[Anonymous No.9735284]

>>9735277
Yes but many people don't enjoy their jobs and could care less about their contribution to society, many just see work as an activity you must do in order to stay alive, instead of working for altruistic reasons, wage labour has turned jobs into something shallow and soul draining

[Anonymous No.9735286]

>>9735253
>wealth and fame
>using literature as a means of obtaining said goals

If I wanted to be wealthy, I'd devote my entire life to wagecuckery, you dumb faggot. I'm unable to write as much as I would like because work takes up way too much of my time. Try spewing your drive elsewhere, friend.


>>>/Reddit/

[Anonymous No.9735292]

>>9735270
People have a higher standard of living now than they every have in history. The wage laborers in a first world country live better lives than anyone pre-wage labor could have ever dreamed of.

[Anonymous No.9735293]

>>9735060
lol assblasted commie detected

[Anonymous No.9735296]

>>9735266
>unironically advocating for a planned economy in 2017

Have fun with your planned chaos.

[Anonymous No.9735295]

>>9735284
people are selfish and greedy by nature, people are not altruistic. this is why capitalism succeeds were communism fails. Capitalism makes public virtues out of private vices.

[Anonymous No.9735304]

>>9735284
As opposed to what?

[Anonymous No.9735307]

>>9735157
>>>/pol/ sweetie

[Anonymous No.9735309]

>>9735295
There's not actual human nature, many primitive societies had some sort of communism going on, human nature is shaped by the environment you grow up and study in

[Anonymous No.9735311]

>>9735277
Each individual job may be satisfying some consumer desire, but this doesn't mean the whole total of jobs in the economy is optimal in terms of value at all. People might rather sacrifice many jobs/services in exchange for less working hours -- they might consider this broader option to have more value -- but the market opposes the possibility for such collective decisions.

[Anonymous No.9735315]

>>9735292
So basically just advanced slavery

[Anonymous No.9735318]

>>9735309
Human nature is based on our genetics, it's unchangeable, just like IQ.

[Anonymous No.9735321]

>>9735311
Explain in more detail

[Anonymous No.9735326]

>>9735315
How in what way is voluntary labor slavery? How in what way is a voluntary system that leads to more leisure time, education, length/quality of life in any way like slavery?

[Anonymous No.9735327]

>>9735284
then they should get better jobs

[Anonymous No.9735328]

>>9735304
If things like income didn't exist work would be very different, obviously there would be lazy ass people who didn't want to do shit but i don't think most people would like to live a long life of doing nothing, but who the fuck knows, i'm an anarkiddie, the only modern anarchist communities have had some sort of wage thrown in

[Anonymous No.9735332]

>>9735196
He thinks that government intervention in capitalism and actual socialism are the same thing.

[Anonymous No.9735337]

>>9735328
This has to be some of the stupidest shit I've seen on this board

[Anonymous No.9735339]

>>9735318
Then why did slavery and feudalism start so late in the history of humanity

[Anonymous No.9735340]

>>9735321
People are not given the collective choice to, say, sacrifice the fast food industry and reallocate those laborers into existing jobs deemed more essential, reducing the population's total necessary working hours. Despite the possibility that most of society might actually find this more desirable/valuable.

[Anonymous No.9735342]

>>9735327
how does one get a better job?
what qualifies as a better job?

[Anonymous No.9735343]

>>9735309
In primitive societies, people were subject to face to face social pressure, and were all related to each other. Obviously, in such a situation, people share. But if you want a society that is more than you are your cousins wandering in the woods, you are going to have to establish a system of incentives and punishments. You don't get everything you see around you from mere altruism.

[Anonymous No.9735347]

>>9735337
Why, please explain to me

[Anonymous No.9735351]

>>9735328
Don't expect people to do much that is terribly elaborate or useful with no incentives.

[Anonymous No.9735353]

>>9735328
Just become mutualist/anarcho-collectivist already, anarcho communism is fucking impossible

[Anonymous No.9735355]

>>9735340
But people do have that choice - they stop buying fast food, the industry goes, and voila.

[Anonymous No.9735360]

>>9735353
Why even have a label after anarchist?

[Anonymous No.9735365]

>>9735353
i'm a heideggerean blanquist and I support immediate communisation to be carried out starting now by red guard flash mob cadres

[Anonymous No.9735367]

>>9734766
>he doesn't think about what he will write while he's working

[Anonymous No.9735369]

>>9735360
What do you mean, there's anarchist that believe in rewards/vouchers for the amount or work done and the skill that it takes to do it

[Anonymous No.9735371]

>>9735353
I like my roads though

[Anonymous No.9735376]

>>9735337
>>9735347
Alright thank you for explaining to me why what i said is fucking stupid

[Anonymous No.9735382]

>>9735369
Anarchism is a stateless society, I never get why people quibbled over the adjectives that come after. There is a state or not, what you do without the state is up to you. I suppose it gets down what people prefer without a state.

[Anonymous No.9735386]

>>9735369
what like a gold star?

[Anonymous No.9735389]

>>9735367
>implying I don't

You best get off my board, boy

[Anonymous No.9735401]

>>9735369
that's still alienated labor, labor abstracted from other aspects of life. I myself agree with Fourier regarding the necessity of truly impassioned work undertaken voluntary.

>tfw you will never live in a phalanstery

[Anonymous No.9735402]

Market socialism/Titoism is the answer faggots

[Anonymous No.9735406]

>>9735402
Only Jesus is the answer

[Anonymous No.9735409]

>>9735281
Planners determine broad baskets of goods/services, with production/distribution organized around population statistics, adjustable somewhat based on feedback from inventories/consumption patterns (the same way big stores do today). Rational use of resources would be based on trying to match the mininum human labor hours calculated to be necessary for the production targets. The constant aim would be to maximize automation in the economy. This would be alongside obvious in-kind calculation aiming to use resources efficiently based on their physical scarcity (don't use gold where steel can be used, etc.).

[Anonymous No.9735422]

Easy to say free markets and wage labour is pretty nice living in a first world country, fucking cunts

[Anonymous No.9735455]

>>9735422
Our countries are first world precisely because of free market and wage labor.

[Anonymous No.9735457]

>>9735409
If the cost to the planners is nothing (no risk of loss of profits), how can you say they're rationally able to make those determinations? They can get all the feedback that they want, but they won't be able to get what is a revealed preference which is what is ultimately guides entrepreneurs to figuring out economic calculations. Knowledge of consumption patterns without profits and losses is entirely different game than what we have now because they're too far removed from the situation without the signals markets give.
Market signals effectively show how much people want of a given good at given prices. With planning, you do not have these, which is why planning has never worked better than a free market.

[Anonymous No.9735469]

>>9735455
Man you are gullible

[Anonymous No.9735476]

>>9735422

More free markets virtually always correlates with higher standards of living. Most third world shitholes have extremely controlled economies.

[Anonymous No.9735479]

Why don't you just avoid work and own some capital instead?

[Anonymous No.9735496]

>>9735457
The cost of failure for the planners is waste -- waste of labor time and inefficient/wasteful use of scarce resources. This is measurable without any need for market signals. It's also unnecessary to "reveal" consumer desires or establish "fair" prices through the market. The result of all this might be less efficient than capitalism at creating a diverse/unequal market of consumer goods, but this would never be its goal, and it would be more efficient at preventing waste on a large scale and achieving automation.

[Anonymous No.9735500]

until 25 you think about your pleasures ahead

at 25, you wonder whether hedonism or suicide is all there is to life, but you fail to find an escape, especially to find a solution on your own. So why not do what everybody else does, after it cannot be so bad if so many people do it?
But of course, you know that you are too scared to pull off suicide and even worse, you hear that ''suicide is for pussies'', plus you tell yourself that it would make your mom cry. So you stick to hedonism and try to make your life full of ''good moments''

you clearly despise to be alone
(this applies to men only, since women cannot be alone naturally)

at 30 you still have not seen anything outside hedonism, so you stick to it and strive for it.
You know that junk food and beer take their toll and you hit the gym but you notice that 25 yo men have been already the gym for a few years already while claiming that ''they do not do it for girls, they swear''


at 35 you fully know that trying to keep being a normie is draining and requires means that you do not have, even worse, means that other people have, more or less for free or without much effort, but not you [typically for housing, where the babyboomers have the power on the estate market and girls]

at 40 you begin to think that being a normie is worth it, especially if you think that 30-yo gf is not cucking you or bear ''your'' child

[Anonymous No.9735505]

>>9735496
Why would preventing waste be the goal instead of raising people's general welfare?
People wait for food under planning, food waits for people under markets. I find the latter more desirable.

[Anonymous No.9735507]

>>9735500

at 45, you wonder, jsut like your gf approaching 40 (but you do not know it), whether breaking up is not an option and you want to ''offer the best to your kids'', you go fantasizing about being a libertarian, as in dreaming about taxing 100% of the inheritance to have more equal society, mostly out of bitterness from the older generation (who "has it all"), but clearly, and you are even pride of this, you stick to playing by the rules of the game of the baby boomers so that perhaps, one day, you would have all their riches. (because if you would stop this game right now, you imagine easily being swindled wrt to the people who play the game, LIke the misanthrope who like the idea of the humanity dying, but ofc only if he is the last man to die.)

at 50, you just want to retire and see your daughter avoid marrying (whatever you put behind) ''the pleb'' but you are happy that some guy chooses to provide for her (just like you did at his age) or rather you build a sweet certitude that your daughter will do well without too much work on your side, nor on her side... You want your children to find a job instead of costing you money, especially the boy since boys end up too many times back to their room (for a few years) since girls find a way to shack up with whatever man is ready to pay the rent.


at 65, After some of your acquaintances have died or been ill, You fear cancer more and more and you think that, all those years, your wife was right to be a ball breaker about pesticides on apples and salads and that she better sticks to organic products.

you tell your children that it is worth it to be a normie and hope to die in your sleep with someone on your side.

[Anonymous No.9735509]

>>9735469
just a student of history

[Anonymous No.9735523]

>>9735505
The planners estimate a broad basket of goods/services before production begins. Inherent in this basket is the goal of satisfying/improving general welfare. The costs/risks of failure are then both outright failure to meet the necessary production targets and excessive wastefulness in meeting it.

[Anonymous No.9735527]

>>9735286
A daydreaming bitch it is then. That's an unfortunate choice – the market isn't that hard to figure out; with a strong dose of research you can easily apply yourself to develop a skillset that gives you a good pay in exchange for some modest hours. Other jobs, like working overseas at an oil platform, allows you to work in bursts (work/vacation/work/vacation), while several contracted jobs are temporary and very flexible.

I assumed, due to your shitty anti-capitalism picture, that you were under the impression that you could live off your writing, in which case you either must be quite delusional or explicicitly catering to the popular market of mediocre genre fiction and YA novels. Unless you're an aristocrat or under the support of a wealthy patron, "wagecuckery", as you robots like to greasily stutter it, is an essential part of life for us peasants. No Utopian daydreaming and intellectual rebellion will change this. I may be a dumb faggot, but at least I'm not getting fucked in my sleep by reality.

>xD

Where do you work anyway?

[Anonymous No.9735533]

>>9735523
All of these are created arbitrarily and have no sense of their opportunity cost.

[Anonymous No.9735579]

>>9735533
The basket of goods/services isn't determined arbitrarily. The starting point would be data on what's required right now under capitalism, in terms of goods/services, to achieve a desired standard of living. This could be refined by large-scale polling to gauge preferences and whatnot. There'd be transitional groundwork necessary before a planned system could be fully up and running. The determination of efficiency wouldn't be arbitrary either. The basic measure of production efficiency would be how much labor time is minimized and how well resources are being used in accordance with their physical scarcity.

[Anonymous No.9735581]

>>9735509
I support free markets, but I suggest that more fundamentally, first world countries are the way they are because of good government. What holds back countries is corruption - especially combined with excessive regulation. It's pretty hard to have a functioning market when entrepreneurs have to pay 50 corrupt bureaucrats just to get a permit to build a lemonade stand.

[Anonymous No.9735602]

>>9735579
Large-scale polling leads to stated preferences, not revealed preferences. Mis-coordination from the beginning.
Minimized labor time is fine, but this requires everyone on board to follow their plan, as well as the abilities to meet those plans. This does NOT lead to incentives to create innovations that further reduce. You have to consider what you're comparing this planning system to, it does not hold up. What you're describing, even in its utopian sense, doesn't lead to results that a market, albeit hampered, currently does

[Anonymous No.9735605]

>>9735179
Most employers may be reluctant to admit it, but the explanation is simple: they don't hire traps.

[Anonymous No.9735611]

>>9735579
>thinking the economy is a machine that you can understand and "run" instead of an evolved organism that is forever causally opaque and that has to constantly adapt to an environment through decentralized computation
>building fragile systems on the basis of epistemic hubris

Read Hayek
Read Taleb

[Anonymous No.9735615]

>>9734874
That feel when sleepless elite

[Anonymous No.9735624]

>>9735507
>>9735500

Most retarded thing I've read all day. Congratulations. Did you get lost on your way to /r9k/? Please go back.

[Anonymous No.9735640]

>>9735611
the economy is a parasite that comes from the future

[Anonymous No.9735648]

>>9735507
>you go fantasizing about being a libertarian, as in dreaming about taxing 100% of the inheritance to have more equal society
yeah man there's nothing libertarians love more than taxes

[Anonymous No.9735649]

I don't mind "people" (cattle) who exist to consume and make money. They have little value as individuals, but they do provide for the basic welfare and increased living standards that makes my life marginally more comfortable. What I do mind, however, is when they not only pretend to enjoy being a wagecuck, but actually demand that others share in their misery. It's deeply offensive and deluded. Just because you made horrible life choices, did what you were told to do, and are now trapped in a hamster wheel of monotony, bills and anxiety doesn't mean others should fail too. Because you are a failure as a human being if you are living just to work. You were given life and you chose mediocrity and a paycheck.

[Anonymous No.9735652]

>>9735043
The internet may be the most important invention of mankind.

[Anonymous No.9735661]

>>9735602
The planners wouldn't cuck themselves trying to find magical "revealed" preferences. They might include occasional polling to refine their production goals, but not much more than that. The closest they'd come to seeking "revealed" preference would be looking at automatic feedback from inventories/consumption pattern statistics. As far as everyone being on board to aim for minimized labor time, I don't think that'd be hard -- who the fuck doesn't want that? The incentive to innovate toward further automation would be active and direct, a conscious decision by society and the planners. That's a big difference between planning the market -- the market has to wait and hope such incentives arrive via its own internal workings.
>>9735611
The market is only one mechanism for decentralized computation. The real hubris is believing it's the only one (or the most efficient one) possible for all eternity.

[Anonymous No.9735676]

>>9735602
capitalism is immensely wasteful as it is based on production for productions' sake. the payment of Interest rates demands unsustainable growth. The grain that is left to rot in warehouses every year is more than that which would be necessary to solve world hunger.

[Anonymous No.9735695]

Yeah, imagine being a 7to4 factory slave , coming home with your brain turned into a jellyfish. At least i can read there on breaks

[Anonymous No.9735715]

Just be more in tune with your nature fuck industrial society just do whatever you want fuck raging capitalist cucks man why you fighting just do whatever

[Anonymous No.9735723]

>>9735715
This
Its not worth it, capitalist cucks just find every strawman argument in the book to defend their class cuckoldry

[Anonymous No.9735754]

>>9735676
>production's sake
No it produces for the sake of profit.
>payment of interest rates demands unsustainable growth
No it's just a determinant of timed preferences between two parties.
>the grain that is left to rot in warehouses every year is more than that which would be necessary to solve world hunger
Yes, capitalism can produce more grain than people are able to eat. Surpluses are better than starvation.

[Anonymous No.9735771]

>>9735676

No, capitalism is based on production for what people are willing to pay for. It's a much more efficient way of determining need than government-controlled markets.

[Anonymous No.9735775]

>>9735754
>Surpluses are better than starvation.

why not both?

[Anonymous No.9735789]

>>9735775
Anyone with the means to buy food will not starve. The number of deaths due to starvation in America isn't even recorded due to how rare it is.

[Anonymous No.9735885]

>>9734931
Start taking psychedelics. Decondition your brain. Either you'll become motivated to radically change your life or it'll give you a different perspective on your seemingly hellish existence.

[Anonymous No.9735918]

>>9735775
Capitalism has resulted in an obesity epidemic. Communism results in starvation.

[Anonymous No.9736054]

>>9735918
>capitalists literally never starve

[Anonymous No.9736202]

>>9735108
>Stop trying to date
lol ok duly noted haha

[Anonymous No.9736245]

Quick reminder that if you were not born into wealth you are garbage. If your parents were not born into wealth, you are garbage. If your grandparents were not born into wealth, you are garbage. Learn how to act, please.

[Anonymous No.9736332]

>>9735115
Who's making double their income? Is it the factory worker who lost his job to a slave in China?

[Anonymous No.9736417]

>mfw telling my coworkers that I admire their work ethic while I refuse to pick up my own slack unless it becomes absolutely necessary

[Anonymous No.9736432]

>>9734902
I'm working on getting myself into this situation ,might take a few years of putting in work but once I'm there it'll be golden.

[Anonymous No.9736634]

>>9736245

[Anonymous No.9736704]

>>9735389
Then what the fuck are you complaining about? Just go home and write it down and stop bitching you Bukowskite fagboi

[Anonymous No.9736732]

>>9736417
Yeah this. I try to stay on everyone's good side, ally with the smokers, and take the George Costanza route of looking annoyed and having a bunch of shit on my desk so people assume I am busy

[Anonymous No.9736742]

>>9736704
>Then what the fuck are you complaining about? Just go home and write it down and stop bitching you Bukowskite fagboi

It's not that simple, friend. I know I'm going to sound like a petulant faggot, but fuck it: I'm always burnt out after work, and when I arrive home I usually just take a nap and read. I write best early in the mornings, which I can't do because of work.

>inb4 write before work

You're outing yourself as a NEET if you think it's that easy, faggot.

[Anonymous No.9736763]

>>9735771
>t's a much more efficient way of determining need than government-controlled markets.

efficient for whom? for capital? the rest of us get a bleak hyperatomised purposeless existence

[Anonymous No.9736782]

>>9735051
too real