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Can anyone tell me precisely what merit Joyce had as a writer? I'm not seeing it.

>> No.9721764

>>9721747

None.

Joyce was second-rate, ephemeral, puffed-up. A nonentity, means absolutely nothing to me. Awful.

>> No.9721782

>>9721747
Try not being a plep.

>> No.9721797

>>9721747
>I'm mentally retarded
Well there's your problem

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>>9721782

>plep

>> No.9721802

>>9721799
It means plen.

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>>9721802

>plen

>> No.9721816

>>9721797
You 4Chan scholars have your heads so far up your asses it's astounding.

As if it doesn't take a thorough fucking autist to see something in Joyce's dozy, witless drivel. Fuck off.

>> No.9721896

We went full reddit this time

>> No.9722036

Why did he like Jews so much?

>> No.9722233

>>9721805
He means plev

>> No.9722402

>>9722036
Because Jews are more gassy

>> No.9722434

Alright guys, time to pack up the near century of academic study and authorial influence because anon whose only other books were Dune and the Hunger Games just isn't seeing the merit. It was fun while it lasted.

>> No.9722499

>>9721747
See >>9722336

>> No.9722560

>>9722402
lmao

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>>9722402

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>>9721764
>second-rate, ephemeral, puffed-up. A nonentity, means absolutely nothing to me. Awful.
When did you realize that Nabakov had the exact same mentality as SJW and the like? He ties the question of something's worth and merit with that of the subject matter. He slanders Gogol and Dostoyevsky purely because he disagrees with their morals, his censure si that they wrote of religion, not that they wrote poorly, but for Nabokov the two become the same. He's a real shithead and to be taken as little more than a mean spirited fool pulling at the coattails of actually relevant literary figures.

>> No.9723050 [DELETED] 

>>9723041
Nabo had a sense of humor.
>Hemingway, Ernest. A writer of books for boys. Certainly better than Conrad. Has at least a voice of his own. Nothing I would care to have written myself. In mentality and emotion, hopelessly juvenile. Loathe his works about bells, balls, and bulls.
The Killers. Delightful, highly artistic. Admirable.
The Old Man and the Sea. Wonderful. The description of the iridescent fish and rhythmic urination is superb.

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>>9723041
Is this pasta ?

>> No.9723417

>>9723041
>>9723041
>slanders Gogol
What? He loved Gogol and called him one of the best Russian prose stylists of all time, fool. He simply disliked that Gogol ruined some of his work by trying too hard to be religious and stifling his naturally creative exuberance. Not only that, but Nabokov couldn't give less of a shit about subject matter as well as something is written well; he called Milton one of the greatest geniuses of all times, when Paradise Lost is obviously a very didactic work. He disliked Dostoyevsky because Dosto. actually does have a clunky style in the original Russian according to those who've read them in the original Russian (apparently, his works translated into English read better than the original), and was more focusing on didacticism and moralism. I myself like Dostoyevsky but can appreciate Nabokov's differing views and not get butthurt over them like half the summerfags on /lit/ do -- the instant Nabby says he doesn't like one of their idols, it instantly must reflect poorly on Vladmir and wipe away all of his genius, just because he doesn't have the exact same taste as you.

>> No.9723448

>>9723041
Everybody on this board considers Nabokov's opinions to be funny jokes
He's a great writer, but very few people consider him a great literary critic

>> No.9723538

>>9721747
He wrote about the paralysis that swept the entirety of Ireland, an island too stuck in its past to ever grow from it. He was hinting at the post-colonial perspective that would dominate the literary scene decades later. His prose is also beautiful and works irony in a noninvasive way. What didn't you get?

>> No.9723545

>>9721747

The idea propping up Joyce's supposed merit is that he was combined his erudition with a purely stream-of-consciousness writing style.
The juvenile assumption behind this idea is that this configuration of Joyce's is supposed to reveal some sort of otherwise hidden truth or beauty.
In reality it's just some cracked-up autist making fart noises.