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What the fuck even is Gnosticism?

>> No.9721303

Google not working?

>> No.9721306

knowledge

>> No.9721307

>>9721299
It means "to know"

Like if somebody tells you a story you've heard a million times before you just say, "I'm Gnostic bro"

>> No.9721309

>>9721299
a stupid egyptian version of christianity

>> No.9721377

>>9721299

It's monotheism that uses a lot of esoteric knowledge from different parts of religious culture around the world to come to the conclusion that the "God" that made our universe is just as flawed as the universe itself.

>> No.9721448

Read The Gnostics: Myth, Ritual, and Diversity in Early Christianity by David Brakke.

Then, if you want primary sources;
Plato's Timaeus, but you should read Phaedo and Republic first
New Oxford Annotated Bible with Apocrypha
Nag Hammadi Scriptures by Meyer
Hermetica: The Greek Corpus Hermeticum and the Latin Asclepius by Brian P. Copenhaver
Enneads by Plotinus

>> No.9721777

>>9721377
wtf i love gnosticism now

>> No.9721783

>>9721299
The best interpretation of Christianity, both for it's theme of enlightenment and the interpretations of figures like Lucifer, Jesus Christ, God and the Apostles.

>> No.9721855

DUDE DEMIURGES LMAO

DUDE AEONS LMAO

DUDE PLEROMA LMAO

>> No.9721873

>>9721777
yeah, when described that way I kind of like the idea.

>> No.9722694

When 'the imagination' asserts its 'primacy' but mis-labels itself 'knowledge' in a fluid, historical context that ironically tends toward rigidification.

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9722700

Christianity for the sexually frustrated

>> No.9722713

>>9722700
are there any christian's who aren't sexually frustrated?

>> No.9722717

>>9722713
>le anyone who isn't a filthy hedonist is sexually frustrated meme
Go to bed, Satan

>> No.9722724

>>9722700
damn

>> No.9722734

>>9722717
>le christianism has nothing to do with sexuality repression.

Literally living the in a bubble

>> No.9722747

>>9722713
You can shag all day long if you're married to the bird. Christianity is more enjoyable than Gnosticism, where everything material is literally made by Satan.

>> No.9722756
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9722756

>>9721299
Rebellion against God, your loving Father. Basically a fanfic that makes Jesus a rebellious son who tried to fight God. The Holy Spirit is 404 not found. It's pretty retarded

>> No.9724060

>>9721777

So does KEK evidently with digits like these

>> No.9724076

Gnosticism (from Ancient Greek: γνωστιkός gnostikos, "having knowledge", from γνῶσις gnōsis, knowledge) is a modern name for a variety of ancient religious ideas and systems, originating in Jewish milieus in the first and second century AD. Based on their readings of the Torah and other Biblical writings, these systems induced that the material world is created by an ignorant emanation of the highest God, trapping the Divine spark within the human body. This Divine spark could be liberated by gnosis of this Divine spark.

The Gnostic ideas and systems flourished in the Mediterranean world in the second century AD, in conjunction with and influenced by the early Christian movements and Middle Platonism. After the second century a decline set in, but Gnosticism persisted throughout the centuries as an undercurrent of western culture, remanifesting with the Renaissance as Western esotericism, taking prominence with modern spirituality. In the Persian Empire, Gnosticism spread as far as China with Manicheism, while Mandeism is still alive in Iraq.

A major question in scholarly research is the qualification of Gnosticism, based on the study of its texts, as either an interreligious phenomenon or as an independent religion.

>> No.9725556

>>9722756

None of this is true. But most importantly, the Holy Spirit is the Subject.

>> No.9725587

>>9722694

This thread sucks. This explanation sucks.

Gnosis, if it can lend itself to definition, is roughly defined as putting all imagination (Mind) through absolute Moral judgement. In stark contrast to Faith, which asks for absolute suspension of Morality and the ignorance of all but a handful of books (Matter).

>> No.9725655

>>9722756
That comic always pisses me off because of the part where all the suffering of humanity is compared to twisting one's ankle.

>> No.9725757

>>9725655

This is usually what Cosmic cuckoldry (Stoicism/Christianity/NEETzscheanism) thinks of Human suffering - an almost amusing quirk of the world. Until it happens to them and the melodrama starts flowing.

>> No.9725764

>>9725587
Wrong. The 'morality' of the Gnostics is FIXED ab initio. It's negative valuation of 'faith' somehow blinds its practitioners into 'believing' that their own 'beliefs' prompt knowledge. Bait and motherfucking Switch: Gnosticism in a nut's hell....

>> No.9725770

>>9725764

...yes? Absolute Moral judgement and Morality being fixed ab initio are the same thing.

>> No.9727140

>>9725770
>n.b. OP's question..
'Gnosticism' is therefore a misnomer, cannot itself escape the clutches of its own faith-base, or highly wrought negative (obviously reactionary) 'view' in principle (as of course there were more than a few Gnosticisms). Which is precisely why it (((they))) proved so vulnerable.

>> No.9727157

>>9725587
>In stark contrast to Faith, which asks for absolute suspension of Morality
That's an interesting way to view ideological morality. I've felt for a long time that religion and all ideological authorities which claim moral supremacy are in fact merely substituting authoritarian ethic sets while, through circular logic, claiming those authoritarian ethics to be ontologically capital-M Moral, superceding the wider notion of morality as subjective.
Maybe I need to read more about the Gnostics.

>> No.9727227

>The popular view point is bad
>The view point that died out over 1000 years ago is correct.
I can't help but feel neognostics are a little bit contrarian

>> No.9727573

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbvodmP0DI4

David Tibet explains it pretty well.

>> No.9727592

>>9722734
>sticks a black dildo up his butthole
>God is le dead and I am le free
what did he mean by this???

Newsflash faggot "sexuality repression" is how civilisation works. You have to work out compromises between your wants and needs and the tribes. If you want to live in a "fully liberated" free for all society someone like you is gonna find yourself even further down the pecking order

>> No.9727601

>>9721299

You would get better answers on /x/.

The central perception of Gnosticism is that we don't belong here.

>> No.9727611

>>9727592
>Newsflash faggot "sexuality repression" is how civilisation works
Oh, its retarded
Newsflash faggot, sex is not the core scarce element that must be rationed to secure a society, nor is it the source of authority that maintains that society. Stop being a nigger.

>>9727227
Maybe address the argument instead of attaching labels with little real value to it? Almost everything is 'contrarian'

>> No.9727613

>>9727611

Can you guys please carry out this discussion without all the name-calling and pent-up frustration?
It's embarrassing.

>> No.9727815

>>9721299
It's what you get when you try and shoe horn Zoroastrianism into Christianity.

>> No.9727895

>>9727592
Yikes.

>> No.9727918

>>9727140
the difference between gnosticism and faith is time preference. faith is immediate gratification, gnosticism is delayed

>> No.9727927

>>9727613
Sorry sweetie :) Can you post pictures of mammaries too by the way?

>> No.9727939

>>9727815
Christianity is Zoroarstrianism

>> No.9727983

>>9727611
>Newsflash faggot, sex is not the core scarce element that must be rationed to secure a society, nor is it the source of authority that maintains that society. Stop being a nigger.

You think cause we invented stuff more high tech than a hand axe that we're not monkeys? Literally everything that isn't beating a rival to death and rape is a social construct. Power is the source of authority and power is sexy = more potential mates. Men working out, getting better jobs etc etc whatever spin they put on it its always about sexual competitiveness. If you're not conscious of that in yourself its cause you're a stupid monkey. Again thats what you are.

>> No.9727991

>>9721299
if the dawkins brand of nu-atheism is the head gnosticism is the tail

>> No.9727997

>>9721448
>Enneads by Plotinus
Dude, Plotinus literally wrote a tract called "Against the Gnostics".

>> No.9728004

If you can get your hands on a copy, check out Rethinking Gnosticism by Williams. He argues that most of the definitions you'll read above are bogus.

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/5956.html

>> No.9728652

>>9725757
well, the "founders" of Christianity and Nietzscheanism certainly grappled with suffering with authenticity and gravity

>> No.9728765

>>9727997

His and Plato's only contention was that the Phenomenal world is good. It was not so much "Against the Gnostics" but "In Defense of the Warden".

>> No.9728778

>>9727997
>Dude, Plotinus literally wrote a tract called "Against the Gnostics".
Gnostics read the shit out of him and didn't give a fuck.