/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.9678184]

Welp, /lit/, I've fallen for the STEM meme and now there's no turning back.

How do I cope.

[Anonymous No.9678191]

>>9678184
Stem is easy to learn

[Anonymous No.9678199]

>>9678191
It's so dehumanizing though.

[Anonymous No.9678216]

>>9678184
Money, material prosperity, and relatively good job security.

[Anonymous No.9678224]

Get a STEM job working 40 hours a week that makes like 80k a year. Spend your free time indulging in your liberal artsy side.

Depending on your field, you could try to combine the two if you really want to be autistic. Like work for an organization that is involved in your liberal arts interests - a university or library system maybe? I used to be a database guy at a major art museum, it was pretty sweet. I walked around the exhibits during my breaks.

[Anonymous No.9678234]

>>9678216
the trifecta of a coward, shutup

[Anonymous No.9678275]

>>9678184
>there is a distinction
never gonna make it anon

[Anonymous No.9678286]

>>9678234
wew

[Anonymous No.9678418]

I don't understand?

You'll have high chance to get a high-paying, secure, comfy job?

Is that the problem?

I'd kill for the same chance but sadly I am a brainlet when it comes to math, thus it is impossible for me to get anything done in STEM.

Be happy that you are not stupid OP.

[Anonymous No.9678423]

>>9678216
>money, money and money

So this is the power of STEM

[Anonymous No.9678428]

>>9678418
>falling for the high-paying, secure, comfy job = life fulfilled meme

[Anonymous No.9678448]

>>9678428
What's a fulfilled life then?

Endlessly struggling with part-time jobs?

Working in an underpaid non-stem job because you have to compete with 500 million other snowflakes that fell for the libarts meme?

>>9678423

Yes, the power of STEM is financial and material secruity so you don't have to worry about your rent or whatever.

Horrible, I know.

[Anonymous No.9678456]

>>9678448
>What's a fulfilled life then?

Doing something you enjoy, instead of being a codemonkey.

[Anonymous No.9678465]

>>9678456
Cool, good luck trying to survive by doing what you enjoy, kiddo.

Chances are that you'll still be livin' at home or in a tiny cramped appartment with 40 years.

Making compromises and sacrifices for a better, more secure living standard is literally the first and foremost thing that normal people in our society should learn instead of this childish "waaaaah most jobs are so boring i just wanna shitpost and read books and play vidya all day every day".

You are pathetic, I used to have this exact though pattern a decade ago, but thankfully I got my shit together.

If I didn't do that I'd probably be postin' on /lit/ and /r9k/ about how life is "so cruel!!!" and how "normies are so stupid compared to me!!!".

Grow the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.9678466]

>>9678456
t. high school student

[Anonymous No.9678471]

>>9678465
>>9678466
I feel sorry for you.

[Anonymous No.9678477]

>>9678471
t. future depressed "enlightened" NEET who shits on STEM people because he's just too damn intelligent

[Anonymous No.9678592]

Leave your university and become a sailor before your soul is dead

[Anonymous No.9678603]

>>9678234
>muh ennobled failure is a virtue
>muh self-imposed poverty and failure is really a strength

Someone remove this sentimentalist faggot from the premises please.

[Anonymous No.9678615]

>>9678603
>I spend 9 hours a day in an office cubicle working for others because it pleases me
whatever, wagecuck

[Anonymous No.9678653]

Luckily I only have to work 20 hours a week. When I move to a smaller flat, I'll be able to reduce to 10-15 hours.

[Anonymous No.9678658]

>>9678216
What if that's not what you strive for in life? :(

[Anonymous No.9678817]

>>9678658
Then what romanticized, misguided, sentimental, dramatized, theatrical illusion do you strive for in life?

[Anonymous No.9678862]

The only good STEMcel is a dead one.

[Anonymous No.9678868]

STEM students/graduates who are interested in literature usually understand it far better than libarts/philosophy ones. Not having the pressure of having to repeat word by word their professors' interpretation about given literary works, they are free to read what they want in their free time and form their own idea about it.

[Anonymous No.9678870]

>>9678817
You can make a decent amount of money doing something more fulfilling than STEM job, you know?

[Anonymous No.9678878]

>>9678870
The STEMfag can only handle 0's or 1's, black or white, this grey is lost on him.

[Anonymous No.9678887]

>>9678868
sauce?

[Anonymous No.9678896]

>>9678868
This.

>STEM guarantees a comfy, well-paid job
>STEM guarantees that you have a high IQ
>STEM guarantees that you're developing your philosophical understanding on your own and you're not getting influenced by professors that might try to form your thoughts
>STEM guarantees that you aren't a manlet, have a big dick and live longer than libarts

Why aren't you a STEMasterr yet, /lit/?

I wish I could be one but sadly I am retarded, so for me it is endlessly struggling with a huge inferiority complex until I kms.

[Anonymous No.9678904]

>>9678896
>STEM guarantees that you have a high IQ
Problem is too many of them might be "smart", have a high IQ, but they're so fucking autistic and insufferable to be around it doesn't matter. And then to imply >>9678868 they're even the slightest interested in literature(aside from mediocre fantasy shit) is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.9678908]

>>9678896
>developing your philosophical understanding on your own and you're not getting influenced by professors that might try to form your thoughts
>not just forming your own opinion while taking what you can personally verify as good from the professors' opinions
It's like you're okay with staying a mental midget or something

[Anonymous No.9678914]

>>9678904
>STEM students/graduates WHO ARE INTERESTED IN LITERATURE
>NOT ALL
>shits on STEM
>can't read

[Anonymous No.9678916]

>>9678908
>implying opinions and interpretations can be right or wrong

[Anonymous No.9678918]

>>9678914
I've been on STEM and most were like that, fuck off. Obviously there were still some cool guys, but in general you can expect a heavy dose of autism and cringe.

[Anonymous No.9678920]

>being such a brainlet pleb you need to choose between them

[Anonymous No.9678929]

>>9678914
Look how hard you sperged. You think an upper middle class salary and little prestige are going to help you? You'll shoot up the office.

[Anonymous No.9678930]

>>9678920
This guy has seen the light.

>>9678918
>most
It's like you get off on not knowing the difference between "all" and "those who".

[Anonymous No.9678939]

>>9678929
>implying caps are "sperging" and not meant to highlight a portion of the text
You people are just providing more and more proof that those who shit on STEM are ironically, in general, those who can't read and understand a written text.

[Anonymous No.9678941]

>>9678930
Not one person I met on STEM had an interest in lit outside of shit genre fiction, so fuck off retard.

[Anonymous No.9678948]

>>9678941
Oh yeah buddy! No one I met is like X, so no one must be!
>anectodal fallacy
Please teach me how to cum from making these beautiful and consistent retorts.

[Anonymous No.9678955]

>>9678948
>unironically naming and pointing out fallacies
You're not gonna make it

[Anonymous No.9678961]

>>9678904
im interested/read lit and im double majoring in math and mechanical engineering. i also have a few eng friends who read non-fantasy shit but wouldn't really classify it a lit. so it's not ridiculous that some of use are interested in lit.

i agree on the autistic and insufferable part though. seems to be a more common character in STEM although there are shitty people in all areas of study believe me. there are some really annoying people out there

t. 4th year uni student

[Anonymous No.9678964]

>>9678955
>realizes he unmistakably committed one so he resorts to
>ad hominem

[Anonymous No.9678968]

>>9678592
This.

Also, why are people so afraid to just pick up a trade? Decent money, work anywhere, and you would be developing a skill in craftsmanship. Are you just fearful that your co-workers might be illiterates?

[Anonymous No.9678979]

>>9678968
Agreed.
Those who criticize STEM don't seem to understand that your job does not necessarily define who you are as a person, nor your hobbies.
No one is preventing you from working a STEM job and then relax with some classical Latin literature when you get home, like I do.

[Anonymous No.9678994]

>>9678920

This so much. Apollo and Dionysus. Logic and passion.

[Anonymous No.9679007]

>>9678979
I criticize STEMfags because the organizations I've been in were littered with superiors who studied "business" and muh humanities in college. It's not as though STEM is inherently noble or a 100% guarantee to success. Much of professional success depends upon muh networking and finessing the egos of others, and it's odd to me that STEMposters don't realize this. It's weird to lash out at people pursuing a path different path than you and it seems like 9 times out of 10 it's STEMmers who do this.
I also agree that the STEM/humanities dichotomy is illusory but there are personality traits that many STEMmers have in common.

[Anonymous No.9679028]

>>9678224
this
>>9678428
at least the comfy job gets you access to cool things, like travelling.
>>9678448
people usually go through liberal arts meme because there are some well paid actors, musicians, directors, etc. And they want to be famous and rich

[Anonymous No.9679036]

>>9678199
No it isn't.

[Anonymous No.9679058]

>>9678941
You can't be a brainlet and expect smart people to roam around the places you inhibit.

t. 5th year medical student who read the Western canon in its entirety

[Anonymous No.9679065]

>>9679028
>at least the comfy job gets you access to cool things, like travelling.
Not really. You're underestimating the degree to which you'll be ground down intellectually, emotionally and physically in any decent paying, highly competitive occupation...if you're trying to advance, that is.

[Anonymous No.9679069]

>>9678224
>working 40 hours a week

You lost me there

[Anonymous No.9679082]

>>9678941
Maybe you should try hanging you with smart people who go to elite schools, instead of second rate cow colleges.

[Anonymous No.9679084]

you realize nobody in this thread has an education, or a job, right?

[Anonymous No.9679087]

>>9679065
Not really, i got a degree in mechanical engineering, MBA and going for master's. I don't feel like i should stop reading just because calculus III was a nightmare.

[Anonymous No.9679088]

>going for a stem degree
>every time i go home, my mom tries to convince me i should work for the most soulless stem company there is

why is she doing this to me

[Anonymous No.9679090]

>>9679084
Project less.

[Anonymous No.9679099]

>>9679084
I imagine nearly everyone has a degree, good to know your position in life loser

[Anonymous No.9679101]

>>9679082
>people who go to elite schools are automatically smart

[Anonymous No.9679105]

>>9678465
>he's so mad he has to work 40+ incessantly for some business that would lay him off the second things went bad and he was no longer useful that he takes it out on anonymous NEETS
>Fell for the career meme

I love it when people vehemently defend working like it's not the drab endeavor that it is. The only work you should ever do is what is entirely for yourself or things that pique your interest. Anything else is the cuckold's path.

[Anonymous No.9679107]

>>9679087
You're posting about educational achievements and didn't respond to anything about the professional world. Hiding in academia is infinitely less stressful.
Also if you've already obtained your MBA why would you seek an additional master's degree unless you're directionless and pissing your away your time

[Anonymous No.9679109]

>>9678191
It really is. The actual learning is always like stacking bricks on top of each other.
>>9678224
I hope you don't think 80k is a lot.

[Anonymous No.9679113]

>>9679065
And why should a well-paying job leave you "ground down intellectually"?

[Anonymous No.9679116]

>>9678466
No, he's right. It's a really fucking bad idea to get into something you hate just for the money. The stem meme is for people who kinda enjoy stem AT LEAST.

[Anonymous No.9679120]

>>9679107
I plan on lecturing in prestigious universities.
In my country you need at least master's to start and has started doctorate.

MBA is just for my actual job.

[Anonymous No.9679126]

>>9678184
Become a productive member of society

[Anonymous No.9679127]

>>9678184
Me too OP

All I have to look forward to in life is to get some job I can get fired from for being an alcoholic

[Anonymous No.9679130]

>>9679113
>decent paying, highly competitive occupation...if you're trying to advance, that is.
You're not replying to the post I made but rather a reductive version of it you concocted in that beautiful mind of yours.

[Anonymous No.9679131]

>>9678199
Only if you are a pleb

[Anonymous No.9679137]

>>9678234
More like the trifecta of an adult

[Anonymous No.9679139]

>>9678456
Are you literally 16?

[Anonymous No.9679144]

>>9679130
>implying STEM jobs are highly competitive

[Anonymous No.9679152]

>>9679116
If you really, really hate all STEM fields, then yes, it would definitely suck. But it's such a vast world that it's highly unlikely, in my opinion.
A great example is math. At university level, I can't imagine how someone passionate about literature or philosophy wouldn't love it. It's not simply mindlessly solving equations like in high school.
And the same goes for other fields. I'm a CS PhD student and loving it, and no, it doesn't involve being a codemonkey. I work a lot, but I still have free time to read and study music, another hobby of mine.
STEAM and humanities are more similar than most people think.

[Anonymous No.9679157]

>>9679116

somebody mentioned, "Highly Competitive," earlier which is also a key.

Unless you have a burning passion for something, you're not going to be highly competitive, which means even if you get the degree you aren't going to make it, which means you aren't going to make money at it.

If you're lucky you'll get one low paying job in the field, hoping to work your way up, but you won't because you'll hate it and there's tons of guys out there the who overtake you, then you'll get fired and nobody else in the field will want anything to do with you. And....that's it, that's what your 200k got you.

[Anonymous No.9679160]

>>9679130
That doesn't change the fact that you gave no real reason for your claim.

[Anonymous No.9679163]

>>9679152
>At university level, I can't imagine how someone passionate about literature or philosophy wouldn't love it.
Because not everyone's even good at it you mong. Yes, obviously you'd probably find the theory very interesting. But maths isn't just theory -- you do still have to do crunchy maths. Worse, you need to have done that through A-level, and done it well.
>>9679157
Exactly.

Most of those people just don't make use of their degree at all. They don't want any job in the field, let alone a low-paying one.

[Anonymous No.9679165]

>>9679130
It's so fucking funny how similar this guy looked to a guy I knew with the exact same personality.

[Anonymous No.9679172]

>>9679163
>crunchy maths in college/uni
>calculus
>crunchy
>maths

misa thinksa u a newfagga yippe yousa newfagga!!!

[Anonymous No.9679174]

>>9679172
Yeah. I'd call that crunchy. The fact you wouldn't is basically what I'm getting at.

[Anonymous No.9679176]

>>9679163
Jesus Christ, sometimes I wonder if you people are THAT stupid or just pretending. If you're "bad" at math you need to practice more. The "crunching" part is actually the easiest one.

[Anonymous No.9679179]

>>9679176
>if you're "bad" at this thing you hate you just need to practise more
autist

[Anonymous No.9679186]

>>9678948
It is a fallacy only in that of formal reasoning.

[Anonymous No.9679188]

>>9679176
Yeah good job proving my point for me fag.

[Anonymous No.9679192]

>>9679160
If you think you can coast in a desirable, competitive field which attracts intelligent, type-A personalities I don't know what to tell you. It's been my experience that if you don't hustle and give 110% you will be outworked relatively quickly. I work in financial services so your industry might be different but I've seen this to also be true in the startup space and in consulting firms as well.

[Anonymous No.9679193]

>>9679188
Easy to say when your point was none at all.

[Anonymous No.9679196]

Ahaha the asshurt in this thread

[Anonymous No.9679200]

>>9679192
And yet reason apart from "yo man, I've been through it, it must be the same everywhere else!"

[Anonymous No.9679204]

>>9678448

> financial security
> 21th century capitalism

Yeah, let's talk again in a few years.

[Anonymous No.9679206]

>>9679192
Signed,
Socially awkward STEM student which has to work its ass off to compensate its shitty personality

[Anonymous No.9679211]

>>9679206
No one here has anything but a shitty personality.

[Anonymous No.9679221]

OP Become a god like me! indulge in both STEM and Literature!

[Anonymous No.9679237]

>>9679206
There are a limited number of well-compensated, intellectually satisfying jobs with good companies in desirable locations. When the demand for those jobs is higher than the supply, the competition for them is necessarily fierce. It is straight forward. My point isn't controversial unless you haven't entered the job market or work in a wildly different setting.

[Anonymous No.9679238]

95% of posters in this thread are going to be failures, no matter what field they study.

It's because you're dumb and have bad attitudes.

[Anonymous No.9679243]

>>9679221
aaaaargh

[Anonymous No.9679244]

>>9678979
>what we really are is our inside guize

[Anonymous No.9679259]

>>9679244
>implying what you do in your own time isn't things done
do you take a selfie every time you read

[Anonymous No.9679276]

>>9678184
Why did you get in STEM if you didn't want to? Did your parents force you or some cuck shit like that?
Anyways, is not that bad. I'm not STEM but lots of my friends are engis and sure is hard but they will get some decent money after they major. You will be able to have your own house and other stuff. Anything else is on you (wife, non-material stuff)
But if it is depressing you to the point you can't function and want to kill yourself, I would drop out/change major. Fuck it, life is one, do whatever really. But you are doing the "grown up" (no such thing) path which really isn't bad

[Anonymous No.9679299]

>>9679259
Is there any time that is not on my own?
What you do does define you as a person. Why do you think Joyce is called a writer? Because he wrote more than the 50%.
Why is he considered a genius? Because he wrote one a masterpiece, or two.
You dont't think using most of his time reading and writing didn't define who he was? The places he frequented, the people he interacted with, etc. All that stuff leaves a mark. You are what you do, it shapes you, you can only choose what to do
If you are doing something vapid and that doesn't interest you and even has so low value to you that you choose to dissociate from it, even when you spend a lot of time or energy on it, you really should reconsider doing that

[Anonymous No.9679324]

>>9679276
Not OP, but I sympathize with him. There's a difference between getting a degree and working in the actual industry, a case of expectations vs reality. The industry itself is a massive corporate bureaucracy that does nothing to encourage innovation, creativity or any of the other buzzwords engineers throw around. If you're a software engineer, you're always against the clock with a deadline and you are almost 99% editing the previous version code from the previous troglodyte that had your job. Everything is made to barely work to barely fit the parameters of the project. On top of that, we're almost guaranteed working 60 hours a week during crunch time (not paid for overtime of course). The only upside is that the job conditions you to be extremely sharp with arithmetic, algorithms, and logic. It also gave me a chance to approach literature and philosophy alone and without mediocre professors influencing me.

Many people go into engineering knowing that if they work their ass off in college, they will get rewarded after. They don't know that you have to continue to work your ass off until retirement to maintain the cash flow. And at that point, people have a crisis of "do I really need all this money at the expense of time and stress?" I chose engineering when I was 18 for purely pragmatic reasons and now I am feeling the effects 5 years later. If anything, engineering has made my more of a luddite and made appreciate modest living. I think my ultimate dream is to save up enough money and move to Greece and become a shepherd that reads books all day.

[Anonymous No.9679333]

Question:

I think I'm going to study Philosophy and English in school because it is what I am truly interested in and love studying it.
That said, I also like math and sciences, just not as much. My school has a good program in them, but I just don't like the classes as much.

Would it be irresponsible of me to not study any math and science in school? I feel like I should and want to take some Math, Physics, Chem, and Ecology and stuff, but everytime I think about signing up for a class, I feel like I am wasting a valuable spot and sign up for a humanities class.

Also please no shitting on humanities or sciences, I just want to know how people feel about being more well-rounded and such.

[Anonymous No.9679339]

>>9678216
I notice a lack of happiness in your post.

[Anonymous No.9679341]

>>9678868
No you're right they won't repeat professors' words. They'll repeat the internet's instead.

[Anonymous No.9679345]

>>9678878
>not knowing fuzzy logic
t. Stemfag

[Anonymous No.9679368]

>>9679324
Nice
See, OP, there is nothing to worry about! Stupid humanities cucks will never experience STEM paradise

[Anonymous No.9679375]

>>9679339
Shut up NEET thats grown up people talk! You would never understand!

[Anonymous No.9679383]

>>9679333
I studied English and Philosophy, and I honestly regret it. There is nothing in any of those courses that you can't learn from reading on your own. I'm currently working in a 12.50 an hour call center along with a number of other liberal arts grads. I'm probably going to pick up a trade just to get out of this shit.

[Anonymous No.9679385]

>>9679333
"Well rounded" doesn't exist in this world anymore, every field has gone way too specific

[Anonymous No.9679393]

You don't actually do what you want as a job.
Even if it's your hobby
when these newfags will ever learn?

[Anonymous No.9679397]

>>9679393
>hobby
What a disgusting word

[Anonymous No.9679402]

>>9678184
You are what you eat. Reduce your reductionism to a tool, a mode.

[Anonymous No.9679441]

>>9679299
>your JOB does not necessarily define you
>implying you can't get stuff done outside your job

[Anonymous No.9679453]

Kids want to be heroes. Then they discover 4chan and desire to be wimps instead.

>braindead stem
>fulfilling humanities
>muh standing
>muh bank account
>gf prospects
>will my friends still respect me?
>what will my family think
>what if i fail
>im just not intelligent enough
Is this the mindset of a Hercules or Edward from IT?

Sort yourselves out you weenies.

[Anonymous No.9679474]

>>9679238
This. Especially "attitude". From my experience it's a crucial factor: even if you are slightly more competent at a certain job than someone else, if the guy is badder, more determined than you and willing to work his ass off more, while at the same time being able to look humble and respectful towards his superiors, he WILL beat you in the competition.

[Anonymous No.9679530]

>>9678887
I'm trying to find out too goddamn it, sl00t is fire.

[Anonymous No.9679821]

>>9679088
she doesn't know any better. She just wants the best for you. What company is it? Apple, Google, Twitter, Facebook, NSA?

[Anonymous No.9679851]

>>9679139
yeah. i mean cmon he's literally wrong and you're literally right. like literally just literally grow up

[Anonymous No.9679881]

>>9679441
The job takes too much time, whatever you are doing on the side will get heavily affected. If you can't put your 100% into something, chances are it will get nowhere. But most stuff goes nowhere anyways.
Whatever you are doing that takes more than 50% of your time, is defining you.

[Anonymous No.9679886]

>>9679088
I bet they're known for paying well, amirite?

[Anonymous No.9679894]

>>9679179
>>if you're "bad" at this thing you hate you just need to practise more
that's how it works, anon. Everyone hates the start, and when you get better after practice, many like it much more. Not everyone will enjoy math, but many people who avoid it would not hate it so much if they just tried

[Anonymous No.9679923]

Hmmmmm I take two math courses, a physics course, and two humanities courses each semester and cover all the bases. Why don't you complaining bastards do the same? It's not like you can't teach yourself shit either... god, imagine if professors were the only way to access knowledge, no one would know anything

[Anonymous No.9679964]

>>9679923
>Why don't you complaining bastards do the same
Because all that shit is mind numbingly boring beyond compare

And I'm a STEMfag so taking shit courses like that is all I do

[Anonymous No.9680005]

>>9679964
>stem is boring
>humanities are boring

So what do you like

[Anonymous No.9680159]

>>9679192
This is true.
>>9679157
And this.

I'm reasonably smart but putting in the hours as a physician/researcher while being frustrated about my social life is getting at me at a slowly increasing rate. I believe the truth is that being a janitor really is better than earning lots of money and status. I want to read all those fancy books but the last time I read fiction was 2 years ago.

[Anonymous No.9680270]

>>9680159
>i'm reasonably smart
Why does EVERYONE on 4chan think he's so smart?

[Anonymous No.9680317]

>>9680270
I think so because I have an MD/PhD and the chief of medicine told me so. I also have kind of impressive publication stats compared to my immediate peers.
But it is an interesting question how you could truly know.

[Anonymous No.9680375]

>>9680317
>appealing to achievement
you didn't think you were smart before your degrees? you didn't think you were smart before the chief of medicine told you?

[Anonymous No.9680381]

>>9680317
The truly interesting question is where did you ever see any assumption about your intelligence.

[Anonymous No.9680421]

>>9678477
t. Currently depressed and autistic STEM dickhead who tries daily and publicly to justify his shitty life choices.

[Anonymous No.9680452]

>>9680375
>undervaluing achievements
Smells a little too NEET in here

[Anonymous No.9680459]

>>9678184
It's not a meme.

[Anonymous No.9680468]

>>9680375
No I have crippling low self-esteem. But I think that for intelligence to have any meaning there must be a real-world correlate of it and academic achievent is probably one of them.

>>9680381
It's like in thr post above about elite universities. These are things that cannot happen with mediocre intelligence. I know what you're getting at is this whole stupid people working hard enough bullshit, at lest that's what I thought while I still studied, but I have now seen people of average intelligence and exceptional drive getting mediocre results in terms of publications.

Whatever I don't know why I felt like bragging here, I know it only invites resentment. Oh yeah it was on topic.

[Anonymous No.9680472]

>>9680468
I'm tyoing on a tablet here, also I'm going to sleep.

[Anonymous No.9680555]

>>9678870
like what? seriously

[Anonymous No.9680707]

>not just being a neet

[Anonymous No.9680719]

>>9678184
Doing /lit/ for fun rather than work is the best possible position to be in. And the combination of the two is godlike.

[Anonymous No.9680742]

>>9678184
>drop out of your given STEM program
>enroll in a literature program
>read all the classics, enjoy your undergrad
>graduate
>have no technical skills
>be virtually unemployable
>...but Heidegger said that dae...
>no one cares about your effete opinions
>end up with a terrible-ish, soul sucking AND low paying job
>wish you had just sucked it up and graduated from Stem so you could have a not-too-terrible-ish, only semi-soul sucking, medium-high paying job and the the ability to parcellate as much of your free time as you want to literature

Why do people with liberal arts proclivities romanticize the "Do what you love meme" at the cost of all pragmatism. I studied electrical eng and have a job now as a development engineer, I can spend as much time as I want during lunch, evenings, weekends, etc. reading.

[Anonymous No.9680749]

>tfw fell for the comp sci meme
>plenty of time to read during my perpetual unemployment
>wrote a face recognition program that instantly filters any threads with John Greene, women, or black people
>lit browsing experience massively improved
I don't rightly recommend this path, but it's not without its charms.

[Anonymous No.9680753]

>>9680749
>>wrote a face recognition program that instantly filters any threads with John Greene, women, or black people

[Anonymous No.9680759]

>>9678955
>oh, the cultured anti-STEM humanities archetype who thinks the human condition can only be understood by people who get worthless degrees archetype.

You're like that annoying guy everyone knows from highschool who was fairly unintelligent and makes facebook posts about how post-secondary education is a meme.

[Anonymous No.9680774]

>>9680468
>implying intelligence and not money and recommendations gets you into elite schools

[Anonymous No.9680788]

>>9680749
How the fuck did you stay unemployed with a CS degree? It's literally flocking with jobs everywhere that require that degree nowadays.

[Anonymous No.9680795]

>>9680774
The two aren't at ends. Clearly not everyone who matriculates at an elite school bribed their way in, the ambient """merit-based""" population did get in because of their intelligence.

[Anonymous No.9680796]

How do people get memed into studying STEM? There are so many fucking things you could do other than studying your ass off for 5+ years to work as a lab-slave after-ward.
I personally studied STEM because
a) I'm really interested in it.
b) I'm a broken person who can't do anything else.

[Anonymous No.9680806]

>>9680749
>>9680788
This, the story is clearly bullshit, but for anyone reading this thread who may be weighing the option of studying CS, you are aligning yourself about as well as you can to be employable afterwards.

[Anonymous No.9680810]

>>9680796
Because people would rather work as a lab slave than not work at all, Anon, and I know you're being hyperbolic, but most STEM jobs are much less "slavey" than the average LA job

[Anonymous No.9680819]

The funny thing is that most of you anti-STEM people don't realize that having a STEM degree doesn't necessarily mean you'll be working at a STEM job all your life. Angela Merkel has a PhD in fucking PHYSICS.
Am I shitting on humanities? Not at all. I just want you all to realize that your particular degree won't prevent you from working at any job, unless specific qualifications are explicitly required (medicine, law...). Try to be as creative with your job hunt as possible, stretching the possibilities offered by your qualifications.

[Anonymous No.9680822]

I wanted to be an astronaut so I did stem. I won't be an astronaut after all, but I do get to design parts of spacecraft which is cool. No regrets other than I would have read more lit books in school, maybe a second major in philosophy.

[Anonymous No.9680834]

>>9680788
Unless you're willing to move somewhere like California that's really not the case.

t. midwest faggot

[Anonymous No.9681095]

>>9680796
>so many other things you could do

Such as?

[Anonymous No.9681112]

>>9679333
>Math, Physics, Chem, and Ecology
My environmental science degree has all of these and humanities.

[Anonymous No.9682112]

>>9679453
What's your point?

[Anonymous No.9682134]

>>9678904
>be doctoral candidate in neurosci
i can't imagine why i'd be interested in philosophy or theology while studying the human brain.

because STEM is totally incompatible with philosophy, as well as the philosophical issues that drive great literature. i guess i should drop out, read some deleuzional french pomo faggots and be aware that everybody's id poops.

[Anonymous No.9682247]

>>9682134
How did you get where you are?

[Anonymous No.9682259]

>>9678994
Hi Freddy

[Anonymous No.9682262]

>>9679299
Faulkner worked at a post office/other shitty jobs while he wrote some of his best books. "I am literary mum" doesn't justify your NEET lifestyle

[Anonymous No.9682799]

>>9679375
You are totally a man now, amirite?

[Anonymous No.9682828]

>>9678456
> Implying having a job you dont like but pays well means you have no freedom, fun or neat hobbies

[Anonymous No.9682842]

>>9682828
>hobbies

[Anonymous No.9682960]

>>9680796
money=happiness+girls will tuch your peepee

[Anonymous No.9682978]

>>9680796
> study STEM
> make money to fund your hobbies, interests, and personal projects

why is this so hard for all these liberal artsfags to understand lmao

[Anonymous No.9683304]

>>9680749
>wrote a face recognition program that instantly filters any threads with John Greene, women, or black people

[Anonymous No.9684359]

>>9678994
>taking your career and life cues from a syphillitic prussian madman

[Anonymous No.9684553]

>>9678184
just dropped out of my STEM major finally because of this thread. Feel a lot better desu. Ill see you all at Starbucks

[Anonymous No.9684811]

>>9682978
>why is this so hard
Some people suck at maths and the sciences.

[Anonymous No.9684846]

>>9684811
I'm absolute dogshit at math

There is no place for me in this world

[Anonymous No.9684946]

>>9682134
Effete

[Anonymous No.9684962]

>>9684846
Noone's shitty at maths, they just didn't had a good teacher or practice.
You can teach a very advanced math concept within 20 mins to a 12 year old.
It's not hard if you give it a shot without limiting your mind.
Don't be intimidated by the numbers or variables.
>>9682978
>>9680819
Those.

[Anonymous No.9684971]

>>9684962
You don't understand what it's truly like to be bad at math

[Anonymous No.9684991]

>>9684971
I do.
At age 16, i couldn't do simple maths like 6x7, 23 or 3!
I've just gotten tired to be a suckass at it and gave it a real shot.
I've got to admit, first weeks studying math made me fall asleep, but eventually it grew on me.

[Anonymous No.9685033]

>>9680742
>terrible-ish
>medium-high
>soul-sucking
>semi-soul sucking

with this awful ability of using adverb, you deserve to be unemployed.

[Anonymous No.9685035]

>>9685033
I meant adjective

[Anonymous No.9685123]

>>9680468
Fucking retard

[Anonymous No.9686308]

>>9680749
share it with us our new lit god.

[Anonymous No.9686458]

>>9682247
>be convinced that, like, nietzsche was so right about god being dead. i hate my methodist upbringing. camus and sartre are way smarter than thomas aquinas
>turn 15
>smoke weed, read kierkegaard and jung
>STEM courses are easy
>plato and aristotle were right
>but how do i prove it?
thus, neuroscience. i also like staring at computers and listening to aphex twin for hours, so i'm firing on all cylinders.

my research is in demyelinating diseases (such as MS) which are mostly idiopathic—meaning it's the new frontier. a good feeling, since i've already accepted i will never convey the awesome truth of humanity and divinity as well as dostoyevsky.

[Anonymous No.9687877]

Go back and get some non-STEM degrees.

[Anonymous No.9689528]

learn to enjoy oyur stem job

[Anonymous No.9689595]

>>9678199
You either be talented enough to make it in the arts or be talented enough to do something interesting/rewarding in stem. If stem fails to stimulate you, then maybe you're just not good enough at anything.

Of course you can always indulge in "creative" hobbies on the side while working your code monkey job (unless you have the attitude and/or smarts to be something more). If your complaint is that you won't get money or recognition out of it then start from the beginning of this post again.

I sense a lack of genuine passion. Only a willingness to be dissatisfied and to dismiss an entire collection of fields as being too dull for your shining mind.

[Anonymous No.9690088]

>>9678418
I firmly believe a brainlet in math is one who hasn't practiced enough, and have yet to find a counter example

[Anonymous No.9690093]

>>9678184
Hey I'm going to math because (in order of chronology):
-employable
-domain independent
-cool as fuck
-encouraged by Jewish overlords

Am I fucked /sci/?

[Anonymous No.9690103]

>>9686458
Too try hard, 6/10 for relevant memes (aphex twin, Aristotle, etc)

[Anonymous No.9690111]

>>9690093
If those are truly your reasons it won't work because much easier majors fill the same criteria.

[Anonymous No.9690120]

>>9690088

i dunno anon, i think you underestimate how stupid most people are

[Anonymous No.9690134]

>>9678916
>Implying they can't
Read Hobbes and stop being a brainlet still falling for the ''autistic individualistic relative moral routine'' bullshit in current year