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Why do laypeople believe Nietzsche to be a philosopher "nihilism"? Does this have to do with Christianity being so inherent in culture that, in trying to refute its values, even the non-religious believe this to be amoralism or, (and I still don't fully know what this means), a belief in "nothing"?

>> No.9640733

>>9640722
Nietzsche is technically a nihilist. Nihilism is the belief that things have no inherent value. Nietzsche agreed, he just held value-creating at a higher esteem.

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>>9640722

>> No.9641407

>>9640722

You overcompensating things. Most people think of Nietzsche as "that dude who said 'God is dead.' " and half of them think he's a nazi for some reason.

>> No.9641411

>>9641407
>and half of them think he's a nazi for some reason.

He erroneously became associated with Nazism because Hitler tried to use Nietzsche to justify his terrible ideas. Nietzsche actually liked the Jews.

>> No.9642219

>>9640722
They do because they're laypeople.

>>9640733
That's an incomplete picture of Nietzsche. He defined nihilism as an emptying of the world of its values and said that Christianity did this. His transvaluation of all values was a process of restoring the world with value. It has nothing to do with being inherent.

>> No.9642235

>>9640722
People believe he was a nihilist because he was a nihilist. Why you refuse to accept his nihilism, is a much more puzzling question.

>> No.9642243

>>9641411
Hitler used Nietzsches perfect ideas to literally do nothing wrong. The End.

>> No.9642246

>>9642235
You're not a nihilist if you believe in the values you created.

>> No.9642520

>>9642243
This. Also note Nietzsche and Dostoevsky ended liberalism. Only redditors still subscribe to that meme ideology.

>> No.9642672

>>9642520
There's one problem with the attempt to subscribe Nietzsche to either liberalism or totalitarianism. While he often writes "with the hammer in hand," and wrote that the strong must be defended by the weak, he also lamented the loss of slavery — NOT because he wants to own slaves, or wants to feel above others who are enslaved, but because he wants a multiplicity of values present in the world. With the loss of slaves he lamented the loss of values.

Nietzsche is not a monotheist, and I use that word poetically; he does not dedicate himself towards the "One". His Overman is unlike the "One", the Overman is ungodly and the striving towards the Overman is ungodly. Totalitarians squander the joy of war by their dedication towards removing the "Other" from the fire of life. Nietzsche did not share that dedication, even in his criticisms. They have a different nature to them.

>> No.9642744

>>9642672
Ebin post my reddit friend.

>> No.9643002

>>9642672
>he also lamented the loss of slavery — NOT because he wants to own slaves, or wants to feel above others who are enslaved, but because he wants a multiplicity of values present in the world. With the loss of slaves he lamented the loss of values.
That sounds really stupid tbqh.

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>>9640722
It's really because of le ebic xD quotes like "God is dead..." that people think he's a nihilist. That and, with how he attacks things like modernity, reason and Christianity, an uncritical reading of him can easily lead to misinterpretation. Pop culture and how his ideas were used to justify Nazism doesn't help either.

>> No.9643558

Isn't he a moral nihilist though?

>> No.9643560

>>9642246
Of course you are

>> No.9643566

>>9642219
>He defined nihilism as an emptying of the world of its values and said that Christianity did this.
Please explain

>> No.9643595

>>9643002
having slaves allows one to exercise the excellence of mastery. having "subordinates" in the workplace does not count, because you don't own them. you lose all incentives aside from sentimentality to treat them as ends in themselves because you are not responsible for their well being. they are the ones who choose to feed, clothe, and engage in leisure on their terms. the virtue of the mercy of a master not informed by sentiments are one of the values that man has lost after he denigrated slavery as morally irredeemable.

as a consequence, because hierarchy can never be completely eliminated and we will always have masters, a habitual lack of the exercise of excellence that slavery allows gives us really shitty masters.

>> No.9643942

>>9643560
How can you be? You truly believe that these values are part of life, because you are part of life. Hence your subjectivity is reconciled within the objective whole.

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