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[Anonymous No.9628920]

Why do philosophers still study Freudian Psychoanalysis? It's regarded as non-scientific garbage by scientists.

[Anonymous No.9628930]

why do any of us do anything
i mean really

[Anonymous No.9628940]

>>9628920
citation needed desu

[Anonymous No.9628945]

>>9628920
Well it's important for understanding Lord of the Flies, and most Philosopher are still as smart as the dumbest high school English student.

[Anonymous No.9628948]

>>9628940
go to your local pyschologist and asks what does he think of him

[Anonymous No.9628951]

>>9628920
because it has lewd bits. scientists are still studying it because it turns out he was kind of right and the scientists got a couple of things wrong because they were obsessed with cinema and machines. apparently humans are not exactly like a bluray reader. who'd've guessed that though, right?

[Anonymous No.9628954]

>>9628948
I'm dating a psychologist and she thinks Freud created a useful model for understanding the mind and did good clinical work

[Anonymous No.9628955]

and Aristotle was wrong about almost everything he said.

philosophy is just a thought experiment. its value lies not in practical knowledge but in allowing you to follow ideas, understand others, read critically, and in expanding your worldview. that is why philosophy students make the best lawyers, businessmen, etc.

[Anonymous No.9628966]

>>9628955
do you mean Aristotle or works attributed to him? because most of the probably theophrastos stuff stands up to scrutiny. course most of the rest of the stuff is ethics, so i'm not sure how you want to apply science to that rather than ethics to science, but i would agree it's not terribly good ethics.

[Anonymous No.9628969]

>>9628954
>I'm dating a psychologist
The only psychology majors I've met have been mentally unstable themselves. Kind of ironic

[Anonymous No.9628971]

>>9628955
I meant mostly his Physics treatises and biology works. I still enjoy his metaphysics and ethics. and the Organon is a decent intro to logic in my opinion

[Anonymous No.9628976]

useful to understand the individuals he influenced. He was a huge influence on Joyce and other modernists I personally think.

[Anonymous No.9628984]

>>9628920
Positivists are the worst.

[Anonymous No.9628989]

>>9628920
>>9628948
>Psychology is science

[Anonymous No.9628991]

>>9628920
try building your life exclusively out of things not regarded as garbage by scientists and then tell us in your suicide note how long it took until you felt like shooting your brains out

[Anonymous No.9628993]

>>9628969
Biased sample which speaks more to the mental health folks YOU associate yourself with rather than making any salient observation of psychology students.

Seek help immediately, you're very very sick.

[Anonymous No.9628998]

>>9628993
>you're very very sick.

[Anonymous No.9629000]

the question of Freud's scientific rigor is the absolute most boring pleb-bait thing to talk about with respect to his works.

turn off Bill Nye and go read Freud's books already you fucking children

[Anonymous No.9629004]

>>9628969
Kek, this is the only thing I've ever read with which I can wholesomely agree.

[Anonymous No.9629005]

>>9629000
Or better read up what scientific rigor actually entails and put orthodox psychology under its scrutiny for ten seconds

[Anonymous No.9629012]

>>9628969
Not a "psych major" but a practicing, accredited psychologist. I've heard there are more psychology degrees given out than degrees in any other field, and a lot of the unstable people I know who majored in psychology are working in call centers or other stuff along those lines now

[Anonymous No.9629019]

>>9629012
Yep see pic related.
Bigger problem is more so that its a useless meme science with no real life productive use so literally no other industries are interested in psych grads.

[Anonymous No.9629027]

He was quite niggardly

[Anonymous No.9629122]

>>9628971
>being wrong about science and morals in two eras
i suppose it's a skill

[Anonymous No.9629220]

>>9628945
>implying philosophy majors don't have the highest average iqs

[Anonymous No.9629230]

>>9628920

>philosophy, science, and psychology are perfectly compatible and terms that can be used interchangeably.

[Anonymous No.9629237]

>>9628955
>philosophy student
>lawyer

[Anonymous No.9629262]

>>9629237
Philosophy undergrads make better law school students than any other humanities major.

[Anonymous No.9629265]

Hermeneutics

[Anonymous No.9629274]

>>9629237
Grad Law is one of the most common transfer courses for Philosophy majors

[Anonymous No.9629323]

>>9628940
A panel of international climate scientists have unanimously agreed on it.

[Anonymous No.9629381]

>>9628920
"Publish or perish."

Philosophers are academics and they're just as much wageslave rat-race cucks as the rest of the normies.

>>9629237
>>9629262
>>9629274
I think he's pointing out the irony that a good student of the "love of wisdom" can easily become a shit head for $$$.

[Anonymous No.9629392]

>>9629381
Dude at least half of all actual philosophers were shitheads

[Anonymous No.9629397]

>>9629262
LOL philosophy has nothing to do with the study and practice of the law. It's all normative eithics and public policy implemented in case law. The ONLY reason they may make better law students is that they are used to reading hundreds of pages of trite garbage to extrapolate one rule from a reading. But that's a learned skill like anything else, so it doesn't much matter.

[Anonymous No.9629398]

>>9629381
>publish or perish
THIS
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[Anonymous No.9629399]

>>9629392
> actual philosophers

I can count them on one hand.

[Anonymous No.9629400]

>>9628920

psychoanalysis is still chapter 1 in most therapy textbooks

[Anonymous No.9629410]

I like the part in Freud's letters where he says he sneaks in naps in his sessions and the patients don't realize.

Oh, and he was charging something like 500 euros a day and recommended you go 5 days a week or something. Basically, if you went to see Freud you had to be a millionaire, and he still fucking sleeps on the job.

[Anonymous No.9629421]

>>9629410
that's nothing compared to Lacan

[Anonymous No.9629426]

>>9629421
indulge me

[Anonymous No.9629429]

>>9629410
the equivalent of 500 euros now*

[Anonymous No.9629431]

>>9628920
because he is the best of them all

[Anonymous No.9629454]

>>9629426
>Lacan would often write to friends to either borrow or purchase books that were rare and collectible. When asked to return them, they were often “lost,” and in the case of purchasing them he rarely shelled out the full agreed-to amount.

>Many psychology undergrads know the case of Aimée (a pseudonym for Marguerite Anzieu), Lacan’s patient and the subject of his now famous 1932 doctoral thesis. Aimée was jailed and put under Lacan’s ward after she tried to stab famous French actress Huguette Duflos. Aimée was described as paranoid and delusional, but Lacan was fascinated by the novel she was writing while under his care. Even Aimée couldn’t escape his avarice, as Lacan “borrowed” the novel’s manuscripts for his own scholarly work. To this day, the descendants of Aimée are trying to recover the manuscripts.

>Another great Lacan scam was his “variable-length session,” a fancy way to justify bilking his therapy patients out of money. Throughout his life, Lacan slowly decreased the time he spent with each patient; what began as nearly an hour of psychoanalysis later dwindled to only a few minutes

[Anonymous No.9629476]

>>9629454
top kek, I knew about the variable length session because some Lacanians were actually defending it as a good therapeutic technique...

I heard he would have sessions while getting manicures.

[Anonymous No.9629482]

>>9629454
>Many psychology undergrads know the case of Aimée (a pseudonym for Marguerite Anzieu), Lacan’s patient and the subject of his now famous 1932 doctoral thesis. Aimée was jailed and put under Lacan’s ward after she tried to stab famous French actress Huguette Duflos. Aimée was described as paranoid and delusional, but Lacan was fascinated by the novel she was writing while under his care. Even Aimée couldn’t escape his avarice, as Lacan “borrowed” the novel’s manuscripts for his own scholarly work. To this day, the descendants of Aimée are trying to recover the manuscripts.

lel I bet he fucked her too

[Anonymous No.9629488]

>>9629421
>>9629454
>>9629476

>implying this is not the most /lit/erary lifestyle conceivable

[Anonymous No.9629494]

>>9629488
Its the natural patrician step up from shoplifting at libraries

[Anonymous No.9629545]

>>9629381
>Publish or perish
Can somebody explain why people think It's unreasonable to expect people to do their job? all academic jobs are firstly advertised as research positions and teaching positions secondary.

[Anonymous No.9629584]

>>9629399
why not name them instead?

[Anonymous No.9629681]

>>9629584
Cause it's way easier to make single contrarian comments and never elaborate on them than initiate real discourse.

[Anonymous No.9629714]

>>9628920
Freud>"Scientists"

[Anonymous No.9629723]

>>9628920
Those scientists are retards who treat science as a god

[Anonymous No.9629730]

>>9628920
Freud was right

[Anonymous No.9629735]

>>9629397
>they are used to reading hundreds of pages of trite garbage to extrapolate one rule from a reading
I've never seen someone more perfectly describe philosophy.

[Anonymous No.9629739]

>>9628920

he gave honest theories about what he saw

today's social "scientists" are too constrained, they start with a conclusion (equality) and then try to find things that justify the conclusion

[Anonymous No.9629740]

Why do people paint portraits....the camera was invented , like, years ago?

[Anonymous No.9629752]

>>9628920
Freud is relevant since every form of media is filled with people's electra and oedipus complexes