What would Deleuze and Guattari say if they lived to see how their philosophy killed off the idea of Marxism for good?

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Anonymous Fri Jun 9 21:32:43 2017 No.9618126 [Reply] [Original]

What would Deleuze and Guattari say if they lived to see how their philosophy killed off the idea of Marxism for good?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 9 21:45:49 2017 No.9618168 >>9618126 No one has ever given a shit about these numale cucks who hate capitalism and whiteness

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 9 21:52:58 2017 No.9618183 >>9618168 Great post. This is why I come to /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 9 21:54:32 2017 No.9618187 do you think D and G ever made out?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 9 21:54:43 2017 No.9618188 >>9618126 accelerates

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 9 21:56:17 2017 No.9618191 >>9618126 Explain?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 9 21:56:46 2017 No.9618193 >>9618126 >tfw the machinic unconscious manifests an imminent desire for your co-writer's cock

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 9 21:56:55 2017 No.9618194 >>9618191 dont bother asking, he has no idea what hes saying

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 9 21:57:15 2017 No.9618195 >>9618126 Despite all the panegyrics to schizophrenia, Deleuze was terrified of the mentally ill and wouldn't go near Guattari's experimental nut shack commune

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 9 21:58:49 2017 No.9618201 >>9618191 >>9618194 Nick Land

Anonymous Fri Jun 9 21:58:50 2017 No.9618202

>>9618191
OP wants to make the point that they DESTROYED Marxism, so he can keep jerking off to obscurantist, unfalsifiable, continental, feminist, cucked, anti-white, postmodern poststructuralist anti-capitalist nonsense

You won't turn us away from Hitler by advocating these cultural marxists, scum

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 9 22:00:17 2017 No.9618207 >>9618188 accelerates out the window

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 9 22:00:51 2017 No.9618210 >>9618202 >OP wants to make the point that they destroyed Marxism so he can continue being a Marxist What did he mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 9 22:02:08 2017 No.9618214 >>9618194 Neither do Deleuze and Guatarri

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 9 22:03:01 2017 No.9618217 >>9618202 ''haHAA''

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 9 22:03:59 2017 No.9618221 >>9618210 >thinking cultural marxists care about class struggle It's to try to get /pol9k/ people on Deleuze Guattaris side, meanwhile ignoring they are the antithesis of white rationality and white capitalist cultre

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 9 22:06:20 2017 No.9618226 File: 22 KB, 440x460, 1475389796276.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9618168 >>9618202 >>9618221 Stop trying to pretend to come from /pol/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 00:25:18 2017 No.9618562 Who do you read after these guys? Please don't say Nick Land.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 00:26:42 2017 No.9618568 >>9618221 >capitalist culture is inherently white now What is Silk Road

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 00:43:43 2017 No.9618611 >>9618562 Manuel DeLanda

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 02:20:14 2017 No.9618826 Gilles might just pull the trigger one more time, just to be sure.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 05:22:13 2017 No.9619105 >>9618562 Bifo berardi

Anonymous Sat Jun 10 05:59:24 2017 No.9619144

>>9618221
Do you even know what were they about or just parrot a /pol/ meme like a little kid because you saw post-structuslism under their wikipedia.

By the way you react to buzzwords I assume you should start thinking he isn't bad by the mention of Nick Land, someone associated to lean right, who hinges on Deleuze philosophy of difference. But of course you will only see the word Nick Land and its association, not the logic behind it.

Just shows that people in both extremeties are deluded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 06:14:51 2017 No.9619156 >>9618202 >this many buzzwords in a row go to school

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 06:16:06 2017 No.9619160 Jesus did anyone on here even read them?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 09:13:14 2017 No.9619556 >>9618562 Literally Nick Land

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 09:16:36 2017 No.9619566 >>9619556 ugh

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 09:17:24 2017 No.9619569 >>9619144 Nobody knows what they are about. >muh rhizomes

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 09:20:42 2017 No.9619576 >>9619566 I know, he's, like, so problematic!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 09:27:16 2017 No.9619595 >>9618562 Just read Fanged Noumena, you pussy. Scared of losing your humanity or something?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 09:34:41 2017 No.9619613 File: 17 KB, 460x276, latest[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Stop taking "skunk" and amphetamines

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 09:38:11 2017 No.9619618 File: 551 KB, 220x214, tenor[1].gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >marxism is dead

Anonymous Sat Jun 10 09:42:11 2017 No.9619629
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>Derrida's writing in Spectres is marked by a preoccupation with the "death" of communism after the 1991 fall of the Soviet Union, in particular after theorists such as Francis Fukuyama asserted that capitalism had conclusively triumphed over other political-economic systems and reached the "end of history." Taking inspiration from the pervasive ghost imagery in Marx's writing, Spectres has been said to concern itself with the question, "if communism was always spectral, what does it mean to say it is now dead?"

I got u senpai

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 09:47:02 2017 No.9619644 >>9618126 >their philosophy killed off the idea of Marxism this is so non materialist it hurts

Anonymous Sat Jun 10 10:24:04 2017 No.9619724

>>9618195
Factually wrong since the very anecdote you refer to took place at La Borde.

> B-but he didn't like schizos setting fire to nearby buildings! He's psychophobic!

>>9618202
>>9618126
D&G were marxists. They just rejected dogmatic marxism.

>>9618207
Kek

>>9618562
Speculative Realism or, if you wany more D&G look up Actual Virtual journal on Youtube. All the authors holding conferences there wrote books and articles about Deleuze. There's also Manuel DeLanda of course and Sylvere Lotringer, both deleuzians.

Anonymous Sat Jun 10 11:24:08 2017 No.9619873

I actually feel bad for Badiou despite the Maoism and all, he was the only one who really understood how unbundling the class struggle into a group of identity-based concerns would utterly fuck over Marxism by making it much more tractable to capitalism. After '68, Marxism became boutique, a bourgeois way of seeing the world, instead of a truth destined to be redeemed by history, and so lost the working-class support it had and its intellectual-economic basis.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 11:29:01 2017 No.9619884 >>9619873 Where to start with Badiou???

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 11:32:57 2017 No.9619899 >>9619884 Fascism of the Potato.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 11:35:35 2017 No.9619907 >>9618187 G was way too much of a qt, and D had successfully developed his body without organs to re-stimulate the pleasure of making out without needing an organized desire in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 11:39:37 2017 No.9619917 >>9619160 I tried to tbqh, I failed miserably though so now I just shitpost about them being obscurantists.

Anonymous Sat Jun 10 11:45:18 2017 No.9619939

>>9619917
Start with Nietzsche and Philosophy. Continue with Negotiations, Essays Critical and Clinical, Dialogues, Desert Islands & Other Texts, Two Regimes of Madness. Then watch Deleuze's Abecedaire (pirate it, it has decent English subtitles). Only then go for Anti-Oedipus or A Thousand Plateaus.

Also, there are a ton of Youtube videos and secondary sources if you know where to look (Actual Virtual Journal, DeLanda, Sylvere Lotringer, etc.)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 11:47:14 2017 No.9619950 >>9619939 Also, those texts (except for Nietzsche) are collections so just skim through them and read what interests you. I recommend the shoet text Letter to a Harsh Critic in Negotiations.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 11:57:36 2017 No.9619981 >>9619873 >truth destined to be redeemed by history >it failed lmfao read nick land

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 12:02:36 2017 No.9619991 >>9618202 This reverse trolling is pathetic

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 12:06:23 2017 No.9620001 >>9619917 this level of honesty tho

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 12:08:06 2017 No.9620003 >>9618562 virlio! delanda and berardi are good although lesser choics

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 12:10:10 2017 No.9620010 >>9618562 Virilio and Brian Holmes (look up his stuff on esg on youtube)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 12:12:27 2017 No.9620019 File: 66 KB, 850x400, quote-when-you-invent-the-ship-you-also-invent-the-shipwreck-when-you-invent-the-plane-you-also-invent-paul-virilio-275485.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9620010 Paul Virilio is legit.

Anonymous Sat Jun 10 12:14:38 2017 No.9620027

>>9620019
Virilio and Deleuze were buddies and influenced each other to an extent. I much prefer Virilio but I still think D&G asked the right questions very often.

Brian Holmes is also great but absolutely no one knows him. He's more Guattari than Deleuze, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 13:19:27 2017 No.9620190 >>9619724 >Factually wrong since the very anecdote you refer to took place at La Borde. what the fuck are you talking about this doesn't make sense as a response to his comment

Anonymous Sat Jun 10 13:22:42 2017 No.9620201
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>>9620190
Reading Chaosmosis now and Guattari really was a genius too. I guess he gets overshadowed by Deleuze sometimes, and guys like Zizek don't seem to like him. But C&S wouldn't be what it is without both of them.

Philosophy needs more god-tier tag teams and nomadic studio-bands/war machines.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 13:57:17 2017 No.9620298 >>9620201 Yeah, too bad what he means by schizos is "yuppie artists" and he actually hates real schizos whom considers as autists and theyre the enemies of his ontology. Stick to Baudrillard and Debord.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 14:00:00 2017 No.9620303 >>9618568 Not all trade is capitalism. Capitalism as we know it was invented by the British and the Dutch around the 17th century.

Anonymous Sat Jun 10 14:00:56 2017 No.9620305
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>>9620298
Yeah. I get that. Right now I feel like I'm in a kind of a circle, where I like Lacanian analysis to dismantle modernity, schizoanalysis to dismantle psychoanalysis and then I wind up back in formless-nondual land to deal with schizoanalysis, which eventually points me back in the direction of, okay, Capital, I can handle you now. Until I can't and start talking about guilt again.

Baudrillard is wicked. Debord also but Baudrillard has literary flair from here to eternity. I'm shilling Klossowski left and right these days too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 14:11:25 2017 No.9620342 >>9620303 >Capitalism as we know it was invented

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 14:13:55 2017 No.9620352 File: 65 KB, 627x605, 3ce30e7cb357954f53978d30356891390110c1abaf24a0472dc62810da4f455a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9618221 >white capitalist cultre >Capitalism as we know it was invented

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 14:16:46 2017 No.9620362 >>9618562 If you refer to OPs post, Negri.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 14:19:14 2017 No.9620371 >>9620342 Emerged would have been a better phrase, maybe. But parts of it were invented. The first joint-stock companies and stock markets what were really kicked it off.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 14:27:32 2017 No.9620391 File: 62 KB, 400x550, PC-05.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9620303 henry morgan knew the deal the essence of capitalism is enlightened piracy/privateering

Anonymous Sat Jun 10 14:33:00 2017 No.9620399
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>>9620391
>tfw born too late to live in a glorious pirate republic in the Caribbean
>tfw born too soon to live in a glorious pirate republic in space
>tfw born just in time to watch Somalis hijack oil freighters with motorboats starring Tom Hanks

Anonymous Sat Jun 10 14:40:39 2017 No.9620423
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>>9620399
the day that hollywood fails to rescue tom hanks will be like that day the baths in ancient rome stopped running. we will know that the end times have truly come

that said maybe someday some rich trillionaire will someday be required to hire jobless students as privateers to defend Google plantations of docile office workers and WoW gold farmers in the straits of malacca or just to keep pirate scum away from their luxury hotels and yachts

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1893032,00.html

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 15:23:37 2017 No.9620545 >>9620190 He was implicitly referring to an anecdote from Francois Dosse's biography of D&G that plebs use to dismiss Deleuze as hating schizos.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 15:25:51 2017 No.9620555 >>9620298 Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 15:31:27 2017 No.9620576 >>9618226 No one mentioned your bogeyman, cuck. >>>/r/eddit

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 15:35:44 2017 No.9620597 >>9620019 >>9620010 >>9620003 Where to start with Virilio?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 15:37:23 2017 No.9620607 >>9619629 spooky

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 15:39:13 2017 No.9620617 File: 386 KB, 400x300, 1494600619362.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9619629

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 10 15:39:59 2017 No.9620624 >>9619873 you mean Alain "import syrian proletariats" Badiou?

Anonymous Sat Jun 10 15:42:14 2017 No.9620634
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>>9620597
Most of his stuff is pretty accessible, and when I was reading it I seem to recall it was all super-interesting. Information Bomb, Speed and Politics...he's all about speed.

Anonymous Sat Jun 10 16:20:48 2017 No.9620804
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>>9619884
The True Life, 2nd Manifesto for Philosophy and/or Philosophy for Militants.

Geoff Pfeifer's The New Materialism gives an introduction to both him, Althusser and Zizek.

After that, Theory of the Subject and Being and Event I suppose, I haven't read them myself yet.

>>9619873
I kind of agree, but Badiou's Maoism were also iconical for everything people wanted to leave behind in Marxism: the frothing sectarianism and cults of personality. Sadly, that seems to have been the only thing the new left kept.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 11 02:20:46 2017 No.9622792 >>9620624 Did he actually say that? Zizek aaid some of his leftist friends believe that, but I dunno if he mentions Badiou by name.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 11 05:57:41 2017 No.9623146 File: 19 KB, 200x283, 1446933807293.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9622792 He might be referring to L'Organisation Politique, but it would be a gross misrepresentation of what they're doing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 11 07:35:11 2017 No.9623388 >>9619873 >historical determinists baka

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 11 12:25:25 2017 No.9624259 >>9619618 >ndrreiiig

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 11 15:16:30 2017 No.9624874 >>9624259 Kek

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