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/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General Anonymous Mon Jun 5 10:28:40 2017 No.9598954 [Reply] [Original]

Peter F. Hamilton Edition

http://www.peterfhamilton.co.uk//index.php?page=timeline

http://www.locusmag.com/Reviews/2014/10/paul-di-filippo-reviews-peter-f-hamilton/

http://www.tor.com/tag/peter-f-hamilton/

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/ajc-cwt-001/episodes/2016-04-28T00_00_00-07_00

http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/hamilton_peter_f

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_F._Hamilton_bibliography

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 10:34:23 2017 No.9598970 Can someone post the How to read Dune chart?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 10:35:00 2017 No.9598973 >>9598862 W-who's Canada?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 10:37:09 2017 No.9598978 File: 208 KB, 843x699, I'm one of you Trust me.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9598954 Who is the reddit fag that hijacked our general? Why does he do this theme shit? Why did he (and we allowed him to) change the source for the charts?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 10:43:06 2017 No.9598988 File: 182 KB, 1002x382, hyperion.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did Simmon's write anything else worthwhile?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 10:45:13 2017 No.9598995 >>9598978 >Why does he do this theme shit? The themes need to continue. That's what makes it a thread topic instead of a social hangout for barely literate genre fiction readers :3

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 10:45:55 2017 No.9599000 >>9598973 Vince stop, you're embarrassing yourself :3

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 10:48:24 2017 No.9599004 >>9598995 It can't make it a thread topic when only 5 out of the fucking 80+ users read the books in the op. If you want specific discussions, make your own fucking thread and stop hijacking ours.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 10:53:31 2017 No.9599023 >>9599004 We've had themes and author highlights before. It's just that normally no one (or ones) has the gumption to do more than one in a row. I like it and don't understand why it bothers you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 10:55:00 2017 No.9599027 What book is like starship troopers in the sense is a war between humans and giant bugs but is actually about the war and not gay fascism?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 10:58:22 2017 No.9599036 >>9599000 It looks like I just finished Mislaid. The summary makes me want to vomit. Who would read this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:05:48 2017 No.9599053 Continuing from >>9593093 Genuine question. How many of you here don't consider yourselves 100% straight?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:06:39 2017 No.9599056 >>9598988 I'm reading The Terror. It's nice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:09:50 2017 No.9599069 File: 202 KB, 1022x798, 71cDWGjngoL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9598988 Ilium and Olympos are bretty gud https://www.goodreads.com/series/53689-ilium

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:14:12 2017 No.9599083
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Reposting

What mobile reader do you use, /sffg/?
I am looking for one where you can select several sentences and make it a bookmark, also it would be really sweet if cross-device current page synch is available
>>9598624
Shit, missed the reply
>kindle?
No, ios

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:17:22 2017 No.9599095 >>9599053 The distinction is meaningless. We are all sexual beings and choose to express this innate portion of ourselves in different ways. >>>/lgbt/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:17:38 2017 No.9599096 >>9599083 Kindle is on everything, though. PC, Mac, Android, IOS, and then you have the physical thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:21:29 2017 No.9599114 >>9599095 It's OK to be a faggot you know?

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:26:44 2017 No.9599136
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Are there any fantasy authors that at least try to portray all classes of people fairly? I mean ones that don't take all kings to be either evil or good, and all clergy to be villainous schemers. GRRM is often brought up, but he most definitely falls into this meme. And then you have Nips that just glorify the shit out of being a retainer and dying for your daimyo.

For the record, I'm not talking about a novel that's heavy on politics and intrigue like ASOIAF. It could even be pulp or slice of life. I just mean something that genuinely tries to portray ancient/medieval life as it was, good and bad, without falling into any stereotypes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:28:52 2017 No.9599145 >>9599053 i want to fuck a trap and suck dicks 100% hetero

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:30:44 2017 No.9599154 >>9599096 Will try it out, thx

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:34:11 2017 No.9599164 File: 56 KB, 463x628, Thinking.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What are you guys reading waiting for oathbringer?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:44:15 2017 No.9599202 >>9599164 I'm rereading the first 2 books and waiting for Edgedancer to come out in October.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:46:21 2017 No.9599210 Holy shit Malazan is awful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:48:12 2017 No.9599215 File: 307 KB, 600x530, epic meme.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9599164 >waiting for oathbringer >not waiting for unholy consult releasing on july 6th in paperback, hardcover, and digital

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:49:14 2017 No.9599219 >>9599210 Where are you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:54:10 2017 No.9599238 File: 169 KB, 1830x578, 1470947685860.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9599215 >memes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:57:49 2017 No.9599247 >>9599238 How can people seriously believe that Bakker wold write that way? He's a pseud. Unless he was intentionally trying to sound retarded. Has anyone ever emailed him about this?

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 11:57:53 2017 No.9599248
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Im trying to remember the title of a fantasy book I read as a kid--- I literally dont remember anything except this part where the teenage protagonist is taught how to make a sword, but his master only lets him strike the hot metal once a day--- ring any bells?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 12:15:38 2017 No.9599315 I mostly read fantasy but I'd like to give sci-fi a try. What are the best books that deal with transhumanism? Augmentations and such. I imagine it's a common theme in the genre.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 12:23:35 2017 No.9599330

>>9599315
Try John Varley's short story bundles; e.g., The Persistence of Vision (1978) (UK release: In the Hall of the Martian Kings), and The Barbie Murders (1980) (republished as Picnic on Nearside).

His stories contain some neat stuff about body augmentation and modification.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 12:33:23 2017 No.9599365 File: 86 KB, 990x623, Gorgosaurus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9599330 >1978 >1980 hello friend

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 12:59:26 2017 No.9599465 >>9599027 The Words of Radiance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 13:19:07 2017 No.9599522 File: 40 KB, 373x143, You are the first type of reader.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9599210

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 13:31:02 2017 No.9599557 >>9598988 Ilium is his sf magnum opus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 13:49:07 2017 No.9599618 First In. Last Out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 13:50:33 2017 No.9599630 File: 249 KB, 586x823, thecrimsonking.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anybody have this? The Black Library site says that it's out, but I can't find it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 13:50:57 2017 No.9599633 >>9599164 Just watch Naruto. It's pretty much the same as Sanderson novels

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 13:51:59 2017 No.9599637 >>9599315 Book of the New Sun

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 13:52:22 2017 No.9599640 Could someone link me to /lit/'s discord. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 13:53:21 2017 No.9599646 >>9599365 SFF used to be better back then. Hell SF is pretty much dead now

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 13:53:50 2017 No.9599649 >>9599640 this isn't /soc/ you sick fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 13:54:51 2017 No.9599657 File: 213 KB, 420x600, Owari no Chronicle.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9599633 >There are LN's less anime than Sanderson Kinda funny

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 13:58:10 2017 No.9599675 >>9599633 Describing Sanderson as anime actuly fits. It's not just a meme. Those shonen powers ups of his are really cringeworthy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 13:59:42 2017 No.9599683 >>9599675 powerlevels are literally the only good thing about anime and you're an edgy cunt if you disagree

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:00:29 2017 No.9599690 >>9599649 I thought a lit discord would be good for creative writing. that is all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:00:59 2017 No.9599691 >>9599683 Reading comprehension anon. I said Sanderson's power ups are lame

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:01:43 2017 No.9599698 >>9599690 There are a few creative writing threads on /lit/. If not, you can start a new one. They're allowed.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:02:51 2017 No.9599702

>>9599691
well i haven't read much sanderson. i tried mistborn and now i tried stormlight archive and the characters are just unbearable. literally anime but it has none of the charm and innocence that the japs put into their protagonists. just hallmark tier drama

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:05:03 2017 No.9599713 >Fell for the Sanderson meme >Garbage characters >passable prose >awful dialogue >decent worldbuilding >hit and miss magic systems Now the only /sffg/ meme left for me is Bakker

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:06:11 2017 No.9599722 >>9599713 I hope you're prepared.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:06:53 2017 No.9599726 >>9599713 Give us ur hot-take on malazan

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:07:26 2017 No.9599728 >>9599713 I bet you never even read about space cats.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:07:51 2017 No.9599730 File: 133 KB, 1024x1024, 1492088823787.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >there is a litrpg genre

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:09:17 2017 No.9599736 >>9599713 I'm pretty sure he is autistic. His work has absolutely no emotion in it. Maybe it comes with being a Mormon.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:09:52 2017 No.9599738
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>>9599713
>bakker
>meme
The Prince of Nothing is the best work published since Blood Meridian. He takes godlike prose and merges it in a masterful way intricate worldbuilding and esoteric knowledge of the human condition, resulting in a timeless masterpiece that is as much a work of fiction as it is a groundbreaking philosophical piece.

Remember to buy The Unholy Consult, launching July 6th on paperback, hardcover, and digital!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:11:58 2017 No.9599749 >>9599726 It's a solid series but not one I'd call great.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:12:58 2017 No.9599752 >>9599738 10/10 bait Bakker. Made me reply. >>9599238 >>9599736 >Kaladin >No emotion

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:13:15 2017 No.9599754 >>9599702 Well his 10 book epic became shit by the second book. For example he killed a character for shock value only to asspull them back during the epilogue. Oh and there's also his awful interludes and he also sucks at writing multiple POVs

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:14:33 2017 No.9599762 >>9599754 >interludes There is a special place in hell for authors that do this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:15:04 2017 No.9599767 >>9599754 I don't think we've seen the last of Sadeas but still, he should have died a long time ago. He should have been arrested at the end of the 1st book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:15:11 2017 No.9599769 >>9599752 Kaladin just a copy of an angsty anime character

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:16:33 2017 No.9599776 >>9599769 If you got sold off as a slave, you'd be asshurt too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:17:08 2017 No.9599778 >>9599769 What are you doing in this thread you faggot? Everything is anime here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:17:41 2017 No.9599780 >>9599767 I was talking about Jasnah the super intellegent lesbian who is smarter than everyone else with the exception being the king who asked a god to make him the smartest guy around

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:17:56 2017 No.9599783

>>9599736
As much as I love him, this is true... It's not even that the characterization is bad necessarily, or that the characters are inherently unlikable. I'm not even sure what it is. I despise the way he takes every character and has them philosophize about the world. It just makes an already slow-moving story that much slower...
This is just my personal opinion, and it's clear that many on here disagree, but I think an author with more self-control and respect for his readers could have easily made The Prince of Nothing trilogy into a single book. There are so many segments that are completely irrelevant in the big scheme of things, and as you've said, there's no emotional attachment in order to want to see more of the characters.
>>9599754
I don't think that's true. I would say the first is the weakest out of the original trilogy, and the Great Ordeal was definitely the best out of Aspect-Emperor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:18:59 2017 No.9599788 >>9599783 >>9599754 I thought you were talking about Bakker, my bad.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:19:19 2017 No.9599791

>>9599754
>his 10 book epic became shit by the second book
You mean became shit when Sanderson decided to fuck off and not release a 3rd book for like 5 years.

How do you expect me to stay interested in your massive epic if you go full ADD and refuse to work on it? Its one thing if its a short trilogy but a 10 book series at this rate will never be finished.

>>9599767
The asspull for him not being arrested or flat out fucking murdered was retarded.
>Haha as it turns out we have a culture of being jackasses its my fault for someone abandoning me on the battlefield
Dalinar is a complete fucking retard, by letting him live you make every other prince fully aware they cannot trust each other or the king since its perfectly legal to try and murder each other.

I mean jesus christ from what we knew of their culture he had the authority to murder Sadeas for being a coward.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:19:22 2017 No.9599792 >>9599776 He was justified during WoK but he was being retarded during WoR. Then again this is probably because Sanderson didn't know what do with Kaladin so he decided to make Kaladin undergo the same arc that he did in WoK

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:19:55 2017 No.9599794

Are there any Scifi or Fantasy authors with a prose style similar to Cormac McCarthy or Hemingway? A lot of interesting imagery and action and not much inner thoughts and sitting around thinking about shit. Most shit I find is just fags pondering and internal monologues that go on for paragraphs with very little stuff actually happening. I hate this deep POV meme writing style.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:20:22 2017 No.9599795 >>9599780 >being the king who asked a god to make him the smartest guy around That's from the Lift Novel right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:21:49 2017 No.9599804 >>9599795 No he appears in Wok and WoR. He's the one that was responsible for the stone autist's actions

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:22:07 2017 No.9599807 File: 36 KB, 302x475, 230852.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9599794 Have you read this? You're not going to find anyone like McCarthy, obviously, but this is a nice collection focused on the weird without any bullshit monologues.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:22:58 2017 No.9599815 >>9599791 Yeah he's spending his time writing YA instead

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:26:00 2017 No.9599829 >>9599713 Yeah I have no idea why people praise his magic systems so much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:29:12 2017 No.9599843 What's with all of newish these fantasy authors who write one decent book and then shit out two turds? For example that Anthony Ryan guy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:29:48 2017 No.9599845 >>9599843 >what are sequels

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:30:14 2017 No.9599846 >>9599829 Because nobody else fucking does magic anymore? Mainly that. The historical realism meme is off the charts right now. Only a moron would disagree that the best magic system belongs to Richard Scott Bakker.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:31:13 2017 No.9599849 I'm thinking about what book to read next. If I enjoy Sanderson's books a lot, would I probably enjoy The Prince of Nothing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:31:43 2017 No.9599850 >>9599849 Fuck no.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:31:44 2017 No.9599852 >>9599843 Either bottled lightning or people let the fame get to them and start to think they are some sort of savant genius ala Rothfuss

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:33:55 2017 No.9599862 What is your opinion on video game isekai literature?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:34:18 2017 No.9599864 >>9599843 Tower Lord was so bad that I didn't bother reading the third book

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:35:44 2017 No.9599871 File: 39 KB, 295x475, 24249.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9599849 You wouldn't. Also try this. I hated it, but for much the same reason I hated Animeson, so you might enjoy it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:36:59 2017 No.9599872 >>9599862 Cheap fun sometimes though they can wear out their welcome really fast.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:37:14 2017 No.9599874 >>9599852 Rothfuss is tolerable because he basically admitted he was a cuck through Kvothe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:39:37 2017 No.9599876 >>9599862 Are there any notable ones besides RPO?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:39:57 2017 No.9599877 >>9599698 But Discord would be more fluent. Are you gonna link or what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:40:11 2017 No.9599879 i finally started reading Dune not too long ago and I'm absolutely loving it. I can't wait to get on to Messiah.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:41:36 2017 No.9599886 >>9599877 I've never in my life heard of a Discord for that. There's only been some for reading groups and they've all been disastrous.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:43:54 2017 No.9599893 >>9599886 I joined a reading and movie group combined from /pol/ and its been a huge success. It all comes down to the moderator.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:51:10 2017 No.9599914 >>9599728 What's some essential space cats?

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 14:56:35 2017 No.9599938

>>9599754
Not saying that Sanderson is a good writer but there was literally nothing wrong with killing her and bringing her back. It made Shallans journey more interesting and considering how hyped up she was (not defending this, book is full of Mary/Gary Sues) I hardly raised an eyebrow when she returned.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:00:22 2017 No.9599946 >>9599938 Shalan is hardly a Mary sue. Sure, I hated her in the beginning but Words of Radiance was necessary for her to shine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:01:39 2017 No.9599951 File: 28 KB, 300x300, 1495373403834.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >female POVs

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:03:51 2017 No.9599958

>>9599754
>People actually thought Jasnah was dead
Is this the first book you have ever read? I dont mean by Sanderson, I mean by literally anyone.

Name one book ever where a main character has fallen off a boat, never had a body show up, was presumed dead and was ACTUALLY dead?

You might as well be shocked that rocks falling on someone or a building collapsing has literally never killed anyone in a book.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:07:17 2017 No.9599981

>>9599946
I was talking about Jasnah but Shallan is quite close to being one, things just go to well for her. She have her downs but they're always resolved really really fast. This is of course not including her childhood, which is probably my favourite storyline.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:07:42 2017 No.9599984 File: 611 KB, 1280x720, 6x16Illdoit2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9599951 >teenage girl POV

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:10:35 2017 No.9599999 >>9599951 >female POV >Its just a dude in a dress except people threaten them with rape

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:12:50 2017 No.9600012 >>9599951 >bad-ass snarky tomboy female POV

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:15:26 2017 No.9600027 >>9600012 >constantly emasculating men and exerting how superior women are

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:22:22 2017 No.9600062 >>9599958 She was stabbed

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:23:25 2017 No.9600066 >>9599938 >I don't mind mary sues Sandersonfags everyone

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:25:09 2017 No.9600070 >>9600062 Through the heart and fell into the ocean.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:26:00 2017 No.9600075 >>9599871 >implying we will ever get the last book

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:28:46 2017 No.9600093 >>9599951 >female tomboy thief/assassin who uses two swords or daggers, who is also an orphan with intimacy issues PoV

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:30:05 2017 No.9600101

>>9599783
I mean the prince of nothing trilogy is like 1200 pages put together, no? That's one asoiaf novel and roughly the size of LOTR. So it's not really that long compared to others.

Also I like the characters because of the "philosophizing", which is not philosophizing because they're just self contemplating and putting things into context for themselves. If you think about it, all of his characters are smart as fuck, and self aware (just not compared to Kellhus), so it makes sense that they do it. All of the characters that aren't smart/educated don't do it. Like sarcellus, the rando kid in TFT, etc

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:31:53 2017 No.9600107 File: 129 KB, 585x993, The_Pride_of_Chanur2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9599914 :3

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:32:09 2017 No.9600110 You know what's worse than Sandetson's usual Cosmere stuff? His YA novels

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:34:38 2017 No.9600121 >>9600110 How did he become popular? Some pull within the sci-fi/fantasy author groups? They all seem really close and suck each other's dick.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:35:09 2017 No.9600124 >>9600066 >implying I said that >implying implications Nice dubs shitlord.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:36:29 2017 No.9600129 File: 231 KB, 1200x1872, 14879457665800.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can't read books about present and past. They just seem boring to me. Sf is my only and true love.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:36:54 2017 No.9600131 >>9600121 because he writes for the masses, is a decent writer, and has the work ethic to actually finish novels. really pretty simple, but not easy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:38:05 2017 No.9600136 >>9600131 >is a decent writer Haha no

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:38:37 2017 No.9600138

>>9600107
>check out the Wikipedia article
>The Chanur novels are written as unusually realistic space opera
>The realistic handling of linguistic and psychological barriers is one of the stronger aspects of the books (especially compared to the genre as a whole)
I'm not sure if I'm getting meme'd or not but I'm buying it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:39:22 2017 No.9600141 >>9600121 Two ways to become popular with the masses anon. You either go full anime and let people live out their special snowflake fantasies, or go full edgelord fedora tipping intellectual to let feel they are super smart.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:39:56 2017 No.9600144 >>9600136 >I do not know what the word decent mean

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:42:09 2017 No.9600158

>>9600136
I know you're trying to be all edgy for some reason, but you seriously cannot deny that Sanderson is say least a decent workmanlike author that gets his fucking job done and pleases a lot of people. I'd love to see your prose and all your completed novels. oh wait

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:45:04 2017 No.9600175 >>9600141 Name one novel that is popular with the masses that is "edgrlord fedora intellectual"

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:51:39 2017 No.9600193

>>9600158
Tolkien has workmanlike language because he knows how to write and can cut descriptions down to exactly what they are. You can tell he knows how to write because there's a song/poem every other page and an entire character that speaks in metre. Sanderson just doesn't know how to write and doesn't pretend to

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:53:50 2017 No.9600198 >>9600193 children can write songs and poems, what the fuck does that prove. >Sanderson just doesn't know how to write prove it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:55:08 2017 No.9600205 >>9600158 Pleasing the masses doesn't make someone a good writer. Also nice ad hominem

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>>9600138
>The Chanur novels are written as unusually realistic space opera
I suppose Cherryh makes a point of caring about the speed of information. Radio traffic being many hours old at the edge of a system. Doubling that time to hear the reaction to your detection, that sort of thing.
Velocity is also important for ship tactics.
>The realistic handling of linguistic and psychological barriers is one of the stronger aspects of the books (especially compared to the genre as a whole)
Hay is made over translation difficulties between the handful of alien cultures (common Cherryh theme). Very little communication possible with humans (written from space cat POV).
>I'm not sure if I'm getting meme'd or not but I'm buying it.
She's very good :3
Well, unless you can't stand unpronounceable words.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:56:25 2017 No.9600212 >>9600198 >prove it http://www.tor.com/2013/12/10/words-of-radiance-excerpt-lift/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 15:57:21 2017 No.9600218 >>9600121 Because his books are actually fun to read.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:00:16 2017 No.9600229

>>9600205
How do you even judge a good writer? Got a real pseud on our hands here boys. And Sanderson's huge bibliography of successful books proves his worth as an author. Stop being jelly you fucking useless talentless faggot critic. Go read whatever obscure "deep" philosophical author you need to tell you how to think and reveal to you all the secrets to life and fuck off cunt. No one cares about your opinions quite honestly.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:01:21 2017 No.9600237

>>9600198
Because he has a fucking article where he basically said that being poetic is not good for storytelling, ignoring the fact that storytelling tradition derived from poems and songs. He just assumes that poetry = overwriting when it's exactly the opposite.

Also children don't make songs and poetry derived from national folklore using similar alliteration and metre techniques

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:04:05 2017 No.9600247 >>9600237 poetic prose is dogshit. you must be a teenage girl or just have the mind of one to care about poetry style in fiction novels. We're done here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:06:59 2017 No.9600255 >>9600229 Someone's mad. You shouldn't get so worked up just because some people don't like your favorite author

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:08:38 2017 No.9600262 >>9600229 >How do you even judge a good writer Well good writers have to have good prose and Sanderson does not have good prose

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:09:05 2017 No.9600266 >>9600247 I'm not saying it's the be all end all, but you're a fucking retard if you ignore literally millennia of literature just so you can be a sanderson normie

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:09:42 2017 No.9600271 >>9600212 He tried to make a quirky character but failed miserably

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:12:12 2017 No.9600280 >>9600271 How the hell did liquid awesomeness get past an editor?

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:12:24 2017 No.9600282

>>9600101
What? They're like 600 pages each. And more things happen in a single character POV of ASoIaF than the entirety of that trilogy. It's sluggish for no good reason. The slower parts between Cnaiur and Kellhus in TDTCB are welcome, but many others are just pointless, and the same case can be said for the following books.
As for the rest of what you said, it's a non-argument. Every character shits too, that's to follow them every time they do it. And too much philosophizing - monologuing if you prefer - is the mark of a bad storyteller. The truth is that Bakker is way too self-indulgent. He's not a real author that tries to transmit his message and tell and engaging story at the same time in the best way possible. He's a guy who thinks he's so smart and so worth listening to, that the readers are free to suffer so long as his series adheres to his "vision" - whatever that means. Bakker said as much on that recent podcast - along with the fact that he wished he could rewrite both TWP and TTF.
I love The Second Apocalypse, and Bakker is a nice guy, but his whole special snowflake attitude and condescension towards others is too much at times.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:14:07 2017 No.9600289 >>9600282 >More things happen in a single POV from ASoIaF Barely anything happened in the fourth and fifth book let alone a single POV

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:15:40 2017 No.9600294

>>9600255
he's not even my favorite author, far from it. but he is a decent author.

>>9600262
give an objective list of what makes good prose. guess what you won't

>>9600266
I don't read fantasy novels for poetic prose or some insight into the human condition or deep important philosophical themes. I read it for an entertaining story. not everyone needs every book they read to tell them how to think about the world and life

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:15:44 2017 No.9600295 >>9600282 Nothing wrong with wanting to rewrite your books. Also who are you to tell peolle what makes a "real" author

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:16:46 2017 No.9600300 >>9600294 I read fantasy to be entertatined too but I can't derive any enjoyment from books with shitty prose

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:18:07 2017 No.9600302 >>9600121 He's the Mcdonalds of fantasy

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:21:42 2017 No.9600318

>>9600300
yet you still can't state what would make prose good or shitty besides whatever your stupid fucking opinion is.

I just remembered that schools out for summer lol. makes sense now with the increase of edgelord pseud replies lately. this place is somehow even more cancer than usual.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:25:26 2017 No.9600340

>>9600289
Not true, but okay... You're free to go with the other ones then. Stop being autistic, because you realize that's not the main point behind what I'm saying. Bakker is slow as fuck, and that's because he doesn't know how to condense things down and properly articulate the main points.
>>9600295
Well, I think it's fair to say that a real author puts his readers first, and his own fucking idiosyncrasy second. Otherwise you sound like one of those mouth-drooling teens who can't spell, but think it's okay because they're "above" such things. They think they're too smart for spelling and punctuation. In much the same way, people like Bakker think they're just too smart to focus on telling an engaging story to the widest number of readers. Instead, he writes however the fuck he wants and whatever he pleases, and I bet he would do that even if it meant him ending up with a readerbase of a hundred people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:25:27 2017 No.9600341 >>9600121 We live in a world where people praise Rothfuss so Sanderson being popular isn't a surprise

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:26:15 2017 No.9600346

>>9600282
>And too much philosophizing - monologuing if you prefer - is the mark of a bad storyteller.
Not really. Monologuing is something that has been done since the start of time. Shakespeare was renowned for monologues and soliloquys. You can not like them, but it's a hard argument to just say they're bad storytelling. Storytelling comprises of many nuances other than just moving the story along. You have build characters, their motivations, and rationals. This is a problem many people don't understand. Humans are indescribably complex and the actions of any one person are necessarily the effects of countless compromises and contradictions. If you don't care for this sort of storytelling, then fine. But it's not just bullshit. Also I'm surprised you bring up asoiaf, because grrm is notorious for doing the same thing. He spends a lot of time in people's minds, and actually a lot doesn't really happen. It only feels that way because his books are long as fuck and there's lots of twists. And I don't know what message you think Bakker is transmitting, because all I've found are countless paradoxes and contradiction. You clearly are a surface level reader and care about the story, and think he's a pseudo. Whatever. Maybe it's possible that the problem is you don't care/know enough.

And also only TDTCB is 600. TWP is actually 500 or something (at least my edition) The rest are maps and glossaries and ancillary bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:29:21 2017 No.9600363 >>9600340 Bakker isn't concerned with popularity and that's a good thing. Authors who try to be popular usually end up creating the book equivalent of flicks. Personally I think Bakker is just okay but at least he has some real passion

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:33:28 2017 No.9600375 >>9600340 >Instead, he writes however the fuck he wants and whatever he pleases, and I bet he would do that even if it meant him ending up with a readerbase of a hundred people. Nothing wrong with this. Writers shouldn't be restrained

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:34:19 2017 No.9600378 >>9600363 >Bakker isn't concerned with popularity That's right, because he's shit and no one cares.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:35:29 2017 No.9600388

>>9600294
>don't read fantasy novels for poetic prose or some insight into the human condition or deep important philosophical themes. I read it for an entertaining story. not everyone needs every book they read to tell them how to think about the world and life
Ok that's fine but you can see why they makes Sanderson and you a fucking normie dumbass, right? If you're only argument is "but pseuds" then you're just a retard who can't think for themselves

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:37:08 2017 No.9600396 >>9600378 The low energy bait around here is disappointing. Sad!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:37:15 2017 No.9600397 >>9600388 >Reads fantasy for the prose >Actually believes he's intellectual superior

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:38:29 2017 No.9600402 >>9600397 Good prose is always a welcome addition and bad prose can make a book with a good story unreadable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:39:53 2017 No.9600410 >>9600402 >What I like is better than what you like

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:40:00 2017 No.9600411

>>9600388
>why they makes Sanderson and you a fucking normie dumbass, right?
no kid, how about you tell me why? you seem more like the dumb fucker who needs to constantly be fed philosophy and insights from others because you're too fucking scared and/or stupid to come up with your own beliefs about life.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:40:06 2017 No.9600412

>>9600346
It's one thing to have a monologue because it's fucking necessary on a stage or in a novel told from a single perspective, and it's a different thing entirely to fill up COUNTLESS PAGES with people making inane observations that are on the level of 2deep4u. HELL, they could even be meaningful. It doesn't really matter in the end. The point is that you have to keep the story moving and go at a steady rhythm. This is the same thing I would tell a person writing some sci-fi crap with an ideology behind it: if you're that interested in abstract thinking and making observations, maybe you should switch to nonfiction or go for a literary novel.
As for Martin, I seriously hope you're joking. Apart from a few notorious cases like The Camera That Rides i can't think of many other characters that are brain-dead monologists. And most of the world-building information passed by Martin is essential, unlike that of Bakker and many other fantasy writers. Because if you pay attention to what Martin is describing, you can pick up on inconsistencies stated by other characters later on.
Ironically, it's you that doesn't care enough if you seriously believe as others do that Martin is just a lazy wind-bag that just can't write. His books are choke-full of details that weave together an immensely complicated story. His world-building isn't just world-building. It's just another, wider story that directly influences the one we're experiencing.
Nor are there any """twists""" in ASoIaF that I can think of, and the few moments that are meant to appear that way are just fakeries (which you would know if you paid attention).
>>9600363
There is a difference between not being concerned with popularity and trying to maximize your readership. Sanderson, clearly, is concerned with popularity, and his work lack all soul and meaning. But it's clear that Bakker wants to say something, and has a story worth telling; it would be far more popular if he actually tried and improved. And I consider that a positive thing. There's nothing wrong with trying to please people as much as you can without compromising the integrity of your work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:41:11 2017 No.9600417 >>9600397 You said that. I didn't say that. Good prose has nothing to do with intellectualism. That's the extent of your dumbassery

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:42:19 2017 No.9600423 >>9600417 >Uses the word "normie" Want me to green-text some more?

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:45:02 2017 No.9600431

>Go through an old cabinet full of my parents' old books that I've never opened in years since my bed blocks the access to it
>Find the original, 1955 edition of Lem's novel that he forbid anybody to ever release again due to the socialist realist bullshit he was forced to write-in.
Didn't expect that.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:46:34 2017 No.9600438
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>>9600397
>>9600410
Stop embarrassing yourself, because good prose is an objective good. I can't see any case a person could make for WANTING a book to be written poorly. It's understandable if you would try a defense like, "I care about the story when I read fantasy, and I want a good flow going without being distracted by the prose," but the truth is that good prose should not be distracting. The fact that /lit/ are stupid children that worship pseuds who can't write for shit and spend thirty pages communicating what could be said in one lucid paragraph doesn't mean that's good prose.
And I'm not even saying that Sanderson prose is good or bad, but to say that proper writing is subjective is stupid. There are different styles, which one may or may not prefer, but clear and crisp writing is always, always a sign of good prose, which is desirable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:48:12 2017 No.9600447 >>9600375 >Writers shouldn't be restrained ...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:49:45 2017 No.9600456 >>9600438 define good prose or stfu clown

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:50:08 2017 No.9600459

>>9600411
Because you have no fucking clue what entertains you. You have no definition of what a good story is. I don't read shit so that I take their insights for my own. I read shit so I can see what others are thinking. Then maybe improve myself, or reject something, or maybe resolve a contradiction. That's how I entertain myself.
Your idea of entertainment is apparently reading autistic level anime bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:50:42 2017 No.9600464 >>9600431 Picture?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:51:52 2017 No.9600468 >>9600456 In a way that a brainlet like you can comprehend, I'd say that good prose is writing that a person comprehends fully on the first read-through without any particular effort.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:53:32 2017 No.9600476 >>9600468 Wolfe doesn't have good prose?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:57:00 2017 No.9600491 >>9600476 He does. Who said he doesn't? He's one of the best writers and storytellers in /sffg/.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:57:32 2017 No.9600492

>>9600476
Not him but Wolfe's prose is intentionally bad.

Im not sure what retard brought up prose as an objective thing to measure writing skill when its subjective as hell though. What someone considers good prose is going to depend on how they talk and where they were raised.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:59:15 2017 No.9600503 >>9600438 I've yet to see your prose.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 16:59:33 2017 No.9600507 >>9600492 >Not him but Wolfe's prose is intentionally bad. ? >What someone considers good prose is going to depend on how they talk and where they were raised. This is not true either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:00:27 2017 No.9600510 File: 41 KB, 310x475, AF1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did anyone else cry?

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:01:00 2017 No.9600515

>>9600412
You think they're brain dead, and I think they're interesting because they go through the full depth of motivation and rationalizations. You simply have different tastes, but I've fully rationalized what I got. You just keep saying they're brain dead with no real justification. And you seem to have the impression that Bakker has some philosophical point that he should write in an essay, so I would like you to tell me what that is. All I've seen are characters making individual arguments to themselves

There's also no set rule on how you're supposed to write stories and when to move stories forward.

And grrm spends a shit ton of pages on writing about various foods. You find that interesting and call it good world building, and I think it's a boring and breaks the flow in the story. Characterization is at least tied to the story because it says why they do what they do. How certain dishes in the South are cooked doesn't really move the story. Although you're welcome to point a counter example to prove me wrong. I honestly don't feel like rereading asoiaf for this.

And there's quite a lot of twists in asoiaf, even in the first book alone. You won't call them twists because they've been built up to, so maybe "climaxes" is a better word

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:01:07 2017 No.9600516 File: 605 KB, 900x1600, lem.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9600464 It's in a pretty bad shape.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:02:36 2017 No.9600523 >>9600491 The post above mine. There's no way someone understood BotNS on their first read

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:02:40 2017 No.9600524

>>9600459
>Because you have no fucking clue what entertains you.
I don't?
You're the definition of needy dunning-kruger cuck. too triggered about wanting to seem smart when your really a fucking moron to be able to just enjoy things for pure entertainment. you require constant spoon feeding, so you can feel all (((deep))) and enlightened.

>>9600468
so unlike the meaningless ambiguous fluff definition you just gave, ok

bunch of to high IQ pseuds up in here with no real points except to criticize and give non-answers. you worthless jealous no-talent faggots will never create 1/10th of what Sanderson or any other published author you like to bash has produced yet somehow you're all fucking experts. comedy gold

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:03:09 2017 No.9600529 >>9600438 You're objectivity retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:03:38 2017 No.9600534 >>9600510 >Assassin novel >no assassinations Into the trash it goes

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:04:07 2017 No.9600539

>>9600492
Yes it's subjective, I'll admit, but people need to make good convincing arguments for why they like what they do. Most sandersonfags here have just resorted to "but pseuds and intellectualism!", which just reveals their insecurities more than anything

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:06:19 2017 No.9600543

>>9600539
>but people need to make good convincing arguments for why they like what they do
why do you think everyone needs to try to convince you? what makes you so fucking important? no one fucking needs to do anything when it comes to any art they enjoy. you literally are a fucking pseud judging by that stupid fucking nonsense remark.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:06:31 2017 No.9600544
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>>9599136
you can try The Black Company series by Glen Cook. Its about a band of mercenaries contracted by an empire on a war with the rebles named The White Rose. It's brettyo good I would recommend.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:06:49 2017 No.9600545

>>9600515
GRRM is essentially babies first things have consequences and magical wizards dont show up to save your MC's retarded ass.
People autisming out over the red wedding as some monumental twist is hilarious.
>Having an arranged marriage with this girl as the condition of your alliance and then breaking it by marring some random chick instead
>What the fuck did you think was going to happen?
Hell the characters themselves had to act intentionally dumb to allow it to happen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:08:31 2017 No.9600553 >>9600524 So you've become so insecure that all you have is some autistic rambling against pseuds and intellectualism. Memeing, basically

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:09:06 2017 No.9600556 >>9600516 Thank you. Looks interesting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:09:36 2017 No.9600559 >>9600543 Because it's a conversation? If you don't want to convince the other person, then why respond?

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:11:39 2017 No.9600566

>>9600515
Look, I don't even have the trilogy downloaded right now to go through it, but I would love to give you some select passages tomorrow and see just what the fuck it is you see of value in them. Especially when retarded Akka and Esmi started musing about the nature of men and women... Fuck me.
And as I've said above, which you chose to ignore, whether or not they're value-laden ultimately doesn't change the fact that there's only so many of these sections you can have until your book stops looking like a story and starts looking like a diary.
>There's also no set rule on how you're supposed to write stories and when to move stories forward.
There may not be any "rules," but I'm sure a neuropsychological study on how people respond to certain patterns in storytelling would reveal that there is, in fact, a good and a bad way to tell a story. If your story is essentially gold (as I think PoN is) and you fail to attract a huge audience, the story is probably not the main issue. And as the reviews for TDTCB testify, most people were so turned-off by the work itself that they never even got past the midway point. It's easy to write them off as plebs or whatever, but I see it as a complete failure on Bakker's part.
>Although you're welcome to point a counter example to prove me wrong. I honestly don't feel like rereading asoiaf for this.
Okay, I'll pass you a link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TBfdd_xNVo Not everything this guy says in his videos is correct, but it's clear from the observations he draws that there's a lot of hidden stuff in the books. At first I doubted this and insisted he was delusional, so I went through all of them, then I reread the books, and I have to say... Martin isn't the stupid and lazy fattie I thought he was.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:17:18 2017 No.9600586

>>9600559
I'm not trying to have a conversation with you and convince you to like Sanderson or anyone else, because guess what, I don't fucking care about what you like. And I'm just stating that I believe you're a judgmental edgy useless fucking retard.

You seem to be the one who feels the need to scream about why other people should or shouldn't like certain shit because you're insecure that others won't recognize your genius and uniqueness if you don't slam popular authors.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:20:30 2017 No.9600601

>>9600545
>i wonder why this fourteen-year-old boy would act the way he did, especially after he had just won several battles and gained fame
>never mind that he was only going on a visit to his grandfather's retainer, who shouldn't be able to harm him in any way given the guest right, and ultimately sealed his fate by doing so
But go on. Keep trying to think you're smart, you retarded monkey.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:24:22 2017 No.9600621
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Pleb Coming through:

I've read these based on /lit/ recommendations:
>Lord of the Rings
Good in its own way as the 1st breakthrough in modern fantasy. A Dinosaur today.
>The wheel of time
Mildly enjoyable until I realized it's more and more and more of the same with arguably the most annoying a generic female characters I've ever seen. Dropped while reading the 4th Book.
>The Darkness that comes before
Dreadful. I can't believe I fell for this meme here. One of the few books I've dropped before reaching the 100th page.
>Mistborn
Should have stopped reading at the end of the 1st book. The 1st one was really enjoyable. The second was a disgrace.
>The Stormlight Archive
The only series that hooked me. Really looking forward for Oathbringer. I really don't know why, but Sanderson strikes me as one of the few truly original minds in the genre.

What am I really missing? Is there any thing worth reading that's both non-generic and non-pseud?

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:26:11 2017 No.9600627

>>9600566
>It's easy to write them off as plebs or whatever, but I see it as a complete failure on Bakker's part.
I mean if the argument was "most people are not receptive to Bakker's introspective writing style", then I would agree. I also wouldn't be surprised if there was scientific evidence to back this. But there are people who find value in them, and I gave some reasons why. Surely you can see that. But I'll wait to see some proof of these worthless diary sections.

And I'll go through your link in a bit. I don't doubt that I'm wrong in certain parts and Martin does use world building to establish characterization, or story movements, but surely there's no way that every single description is like this. I seem to remember a section about spicy Martell foods just to reflect desert people personalities, but he could've done that in one sentence rather than however many paragraphs or pages he spent on it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:28:25 2017 No.9600637 >>9600586 I didn't do any of that, so you're just projecting. I also don't understand why you kept responding to everyone if you didn't want to talk to them. At this point, you're just some asshurt nigga trying to throw out the most /lit/ memes you can

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:34:56 2017 No.9600670 >>9600637 because I like to call out know-it-all retards when I see them. pseuds should be tar and feathered and gassed when they start vomiting out their horseshit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:39:40 2017 No.9600689 >>9600621 >What am I really missing? I'm afraid there's really no hope for you. Peace.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:42:14 2017 No.9600697 >>9600670 Mein Neger. You show them who's the memelord here

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:45:14 2017 No.9600712 >>9600621 I would just leave and never use your brain again. Otherwise there's a chance you might become a pseud

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:46:02 2017 No.9600717 >reading sci-fi and fantasy for the prose Why is outer /lit/ invading, go back to your containment zone, thank you.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:54:28 2017 No.9600749

>>9600697
fact is you're a fucking nobody and never will be anything but a worthless critic. just like the rest of the clowns who need to talk shit about any popular or "normie" author because of vague bullshit like "hurr it not objectively good prose" when none you you can even define whatever nonsense you're shitting out. don't reply, you empty cunt, i'm done wasting my time with to low iq to know they're dumb cucks

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 17:58:29 2017 No.9600762 >>9600749 Eh. I see people this mad everyday, especially around here. so you're not really impressing anyone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:01:22 2017 No.9600773 >>9600749 I mean someone did give you an example with Tolkien and poetry and songs. You dismissed it because apparently little kids can do what Tolkien does.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:12:01 2017 No.9600795 Writing a fantasy novel of my own, though I never really read any. Who should I read? I like game of thrones the show, is the books any good?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:13:25 2017 No.9600798 >>9600795 Why waste time? Just fap.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:26:09 2017 No.9600831

>"Off the top of my head, I can only think of Ken MacLeod’s 2012 novel, the Clarke-nominated Intrusion, as a novel that discusses the role that developing technology might play in altering the experience of pregnancy—though even there MacLeod’s interest is in using this specific case as a springboard for a broader discussion of government intrusion into our personal choices. At the other end of the realism scale, most of the popular, frequently gender-bending space operas of the last few years, such as Ann Leckie’s Imperial Radch series, or Yoon Ha Lee’s Ninefox Gambit, are largely silent on the subject of reproduction. (An intriguing exception is Kameron Hurley’s The Stars Are Legion, in which an all-female society exists in symbiosis with the living ship they inhabit, and propagates by parthenogenesis, giving birth to both babies and machine parts.)"
>giving birth to [...] machine parts

"Spread 'em Cindy, we need a new turbocompressor for pump 17."

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:32:18 2017 No.9600845

>>9600795

>I like game of thrones the show

please don't give the world even more medieval fantasy

if you insist on writing medieval fantasy, read Guy Gavriel Kay to see how to write medieval fantasy outside of just England

read the Coldfire Trilogy, the Bobby Dollar trilogy, and the Bas-Lag trilogy to see how to make actually interesting fantasy settings

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:39:32 2017 No.9600883 >>9600247 >poetic prose is dogshit Get a load of this retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:40:51 2017 No.9600886 >>9600831 Could this be the book that preganon wanted?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:41:48 2017 No.9600890 >>9598978 >reddit fag >changed the source from imgur yeah, nah, square away that contradiction and then we'll talk

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:42:17 2017 No.9600891
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Would modern fantasy books be very different if Lord Of The Rings was forgotten and out of print, like Lord Dunsany? Would another tradition and style have predominated - planetary romance, sword and planet, weird fantasy - in the 60s/70s?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:55:46 2017 No.9600952 File: 49 KB, 301x500, 18397.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >attack of the dragon dildos from beyond the stars

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 18:56:15 2017 No.9600955 >>9600891 there would be less epic fantasy, and more serial/personal stories like conan

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:10:44 2017 No.9601023 >>9600798 For money >>9600845 I already have my setting. It is sort of a renaissance time period but they already have cars and muskets because an ancient civilization left machine parts behind for them to build stuff.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:19:47 2017 No.9601056

>>9601023
read more of every sff and non sff before you write.

assuming you've read the basics (tolkien, cs lewis, baum, mervyn, carroll, dusany, etc), also read vance, and wolfe. Then start reading shit that you might not even like, like magical realism (mieville, rushdie, borges, murakami). then read modern bullshit, like grrm, bakker, erikson, even sanderson and rothfuss. a lot of these niggas you won't like (whether you think they're pseuds, or retards with no characters), but that's ok because then you will know what you won't write like, or you have ideas on how to improve them.

you should also read outside of sff, but that's a big place where there's plenty of info.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:21:41 2017 No.9601067 >>9601056 Nigga I'll be dead before I finish any of that bullshit

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:24:05 2017 No.9601079

>>9601067
then you probably won't write very well. the best writers are the most well read because they figured out what they like and don't like and have built on top of it. it's like with any other skill.

or you could be some genius prodigy. are you that?

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:24:15 2017 No.9601082
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>>9600553
>>9600459
>>9600388
>>9600255
>>9600262
>come in thread
>What going on in this thread?
>Why is sffg so worked up
>oh. It's "those" guys again
Can't you guys keep your water works out of our general?

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:26:29 2017 No.9601098

Would you read a fantasy book centered around peasant revolts, agricultural economics, and plague, /sffg/? Provided that the protagonists were compelling enough?

I think that stuff is interesting, but I feel like a lot of other people would find it boring. No infodumps, of course, and I'd probably put a fantasy 'wrapper' around to hide it a little.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:27:36 2017 No.9601102 >>9601098 Are there bureaucracies

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:28:19 2017 No.9601108 >>9601079 >or you could be some genius prodigy. are you that? Yeah that one definitely

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:28:47 2017 No.9601112 >>9601098 i want to know about their tax policies

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:30:07 2017 No.9601120 File: 20 KB, 98x248, p.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9601067 >want to be a writer >don't want to read iktf

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:33:03 2017 No.9601135 >>9601102 The society is based in medieval china somewhat, so yeah definitely.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:34:07 2017 No.9601143 >>9601135 based on*

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:35:10 2017 No.9601145

>>9601067
Read 50 pages a day, and you can finish 350 pages in a week. Probably about 4 books a month - 48 books in a year. A total newb to either science fiction and fantasy can gain a working knowledge of it in that time. Hell, in six months you can read 24 books - the bonafide classics and cornerstones, as well as a peppering of diverse of short stories. Your book will be dogshit without a knowledge of the traditions, tropes, and styles of SF+F unless you're an idiot-savant. I am just autistic enough to put together a curriculum for you with some encouragement.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:37:28 2017 No.9601157 >>9601145 Seems like I'd make more money and would gain more experience just writing instead, no?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:44:00 2017 No.9601186 >>9601157 why would you make money from writing when no one is buying what you write. also writing is generally a shitty profession to go into if you're just interested in money.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:47:30 2017 No.9601200 >>9601157 Yes, very good reasoning here, I can't argue. It's a good idea to write your secondary world/renaissance/dying earth book without reading Wolfe, Smith, Vance. You'd make more money jacking off hairy arsed truckers as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:49:23 2017 No.9601206 File: 26 KB, 600x375, 1450581622394.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9601157 >I want to be a fantasy author, what should I read? >anon offers suggestions >nigga I don't wanna read that shit fuck you

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:51:42 2017 No.9601217 >>9601206 He's telling me to read everything and its mom. I just want a couple suggestions that fit my specific setting / type of book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:55:22 2017 No.9601234 One look at the popular sff writers should be enough proof that you don't need to read shit to write something for the mass of tards that eat this shit up.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 19:58:57 2017 No.9601242

>>9601217
i mean it's a bad idea to not be well read, but ok. in your case, i would actually read renaissance history.

The Thirty Years War: Europe's Tragedy
The Dutch Republic: Its Rise, Greatness, and Fall 1477-1806
The Age of Battles: The Quest for Decisive Warfare from Breitenfeld to Waterloo
Imperial Spain: 1496-1716

look for more yourself. and the whole advanced ancient civ trope is everywhere in fantasy. read dying earth if you want the best of the best of that trope

anon Mon Jun 5 20:03:02 2017 No.9601261

>>9601206
I've heard this is common in creative writing classes. The students are all completely hopeless and haven't read anything, often claiming they 'don't want to be influenced' to justify not having any familiarity with canonical literature. They'd people be much better just getting a Canon camera and an instagram account.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 20:05:46 2017 No.9601273

>>9601217
to be straight up, you need to read everything pham. not just read: watch tv, watch movies, read comics, whatever you can get your hands on. otherwise, your shit becomes narrow-minded, generic schlock. even if you want to only do fantasy, you at least need a wide range of influences to draw from within that genre.

thing is, most people that want to write/are writers just naturally do this over time. you don't have to read literally everything on anon's list, pick and choose if you want, but you need to read a lot.

i don't know where you got this idealized vision of writing from, but if you can't even do that, you are not going to make it. point blank.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 20:05:46 2017 No.9601274 >>9601242 Actually, studying history and other stuff like that would be much, much more valuable than reading some other author's fantasy.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 20:09:21 2017 No.9601287

>>9601274
it depends. i don't necessarily disagree, but i think you should also be aware of how people write stories and characters. you don't get that from reading history.

unless you're not talking about in terms of writing a novel, then i would agree.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 20:25:00 2017 No.9601337 >Ubik >Lord of Light >Stranger in a Strange Land Which one should I read?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 20:26:02 2017 No.9601339 >>9601337 Er, which should I read next? I have the three.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 20:31:35 2017 No.9601360 >>9601337 Hey guys just picked all these three up today, which should I start with

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 20:33:01 2017 No.9601366 >>9599330 Thanks for the suggestions friend, I'll check them out. >>9599637 huh... didn't know it was relevant in those books, I'll check them out too.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 20:48:41 2017 No.9601411

>>9601274
This. Honestly, reading sff can help you with ideas/recurring elements of the genres. However, you're going to run the ground of riffing on regular elements that will just end up bland and derivative. History is the basis of good worldbuilding, taking inspiration from events, and using them to construct secondary worlds and plots.

You can draw from the major parts if you want but there's so much unexplored parts of history it's a crime. You wanna write a story about a batshit crazy mercenary in some hellish civil war in a turn of the 20th century contemporary fantasy? Bob Denard.

Prison planet where rogue outlaws fight the decadent remains of a dying intergalactic empire? Bushrangers and early Australian society and the penal system.

Don't just read about Lesbians in Space. Read the real stuff and draw from there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:07:55 2017 No.9601470 Sanderson.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:08:30 2017 No.9601472
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>>9601157
what you should read depends hugely on what you want to write

fantasy?
as other anons have suggested history books are a great resource, but again it depends on what story you want to tell. if you want to give a broad, sweeping view of your world, try some books which do just that, investigating events or periods around the world form the past.
if instead you want to follow a sole character on his journey, look to some of the stand-out names from history. simply googling "king born into poverty" turns up Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus, a Roman consul who was born into poverty, clawed his way into power with his brother, before the sibling betrayed him and forced him into excile. interesting events which sounds straight out of fiction, and if you head down the wikipedia page to the references, there's more detailed texts there

sci-fi?
obviously if you're running retro stuff like Space Opera history is again your go-to source of interesting tales and events, but if you want a more grounded and novel view of the future you've got to look at the future itself. /r/Futurology/ is full of dubious but intriguing future tech, and if you want to go full autist and see the real deal Nature.com has tons of very readable weekly articles speculating about the effects of emerging technology on the economy, industry, healthcare and politics. for example, this week there's a piece about the upcoming land short in 2050 (pic related), and how there should be more international cooperation on land use.
>https://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v546/n7656/index.html
already you've got a potential near-future political thriller backstory, which could tie into more public concerns such as GM crops or aggressive globalism.

it's this easy! with the fantastic ability of the google search algorithm, easy to use websites full of history and science textbooks (for free!), and the fact you can cross-correlate all this wonderfully across a variety of webpages gives you a huge, huge amount to work with. people were writing extraordinary fiction 50 years ago without any of this, so imagine what you can do if you utilise and combine all these resources.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:11:01 2017 No.9601482 >>9598978 >reddit >Voat sourced Ok there nigger.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:13:41 2017 No.9601488 >>9599690 I'm in a lit discord and it's not. trust me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:14:56 2017 No.9601492 >>9599849 go with Brent Weeks's Black Prism. I highly suggest it if you like Sanderson.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:17:02 2017 No.9601505 >>9600795 The show is better, don't even bother with the books. If you're writing a fantasy novel without reading any, your novel is probably shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:21:50 2017 No.9601516 >>9599849 Read the Runelords. It's a slightly above average series but it's magic system is way better than any of Sanderson's magic systems

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:26:17 2017 No.9601533 File: 797 KB, 1000x562, Stop picking my brain.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9601157 This image has never been more relevant.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:30:40 2017 No.9601548

>>9601157
Just write trash like Rothfuss and Sanderson and you'll have all the money you want. However, you need a gimmick to carry your series. Rothfuss has his supposed unreliable narrator thing and Sanderson has his magic systems. You need to make a gimmick that attracts the masses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:31:41 2017 No.9601554 >>9601157 Write some YA.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:33:16 2017 No.9601559 For any upcoming author Dialogue. The only real thing you need to learn is how to write good dialogue. Dialogue is everything, it can the most generic world seem fantastic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:34:36 2017 No.9601566 >>9601548 >Rothfuss has his supposed unreliable narrator thing But Kvothe was as great as he claimed to be

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:35:38 2017 No.9601569 >>9601559 That's bullshit most of the current popular authors have terrible dialogue.

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:40:06 2017 No.9601585

>>9601566
Well Rothfuss fucked up and ended up making Kvothe his self insert. Also I really hate the fact that like every other fantasy author Rothfuss also embellishes gypsies. I hate it when people who never had to experience life with gypsies shills them

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:40:47 2017 No.9601589 >want to be a writer >have ADHD >can barely focus and read what's the point of life

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:42:01 2017 No.9601596 >>9601589 >have ADHD >can get dem mentat drugs nigga stop fucking whining I have to listen to D&B and drink rank red bull to concentrate, get the fuck involved

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:42:24 2017 No.9601597 >>9601589 reading is more fun than writing

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:43:51 2017 No.9601600

>>9601337 (you)
>>9601339 (you)
>>9601360 (you)
>samefagging so hard
Read all of them. Save stranger in a strange land for last, it's fucking huge.
So either pick ubik (world is disappearing around you) or lord of light (you are disappearing in the world).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:44:19 2017 No.9601603 File: 539 KB, 1600x1200, img-0418.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reminder to always look at pictures of the author before you read a book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:45:54 2017 No.9601607 >>9601585 Then you will love the book where gypsies are actually thieves and kidnappers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:47:12 2017 No.9601611 >>9601607 What book?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:47:50 2017 No.9601614 File: 1.68 MB, 1920x1080, VCR Book.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9601589 To meme.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:48:33 2017 No.9601618 >>9601589 Barely anyone here actually reads

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:49:56 2017 No.9601621 >>9601611 It doesn't focus mainly on the gypsies themselves. Actually.. I can't remember what book. Imajica had some of that going on, but that entire book was hot shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:51:56 2017 No.9601626 File: 189 KB, 749x467, nk jesimin and gene wolfe hold hands while scott bakker cries.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:57:50 2017 No.9601643 >>9601585 There's nothing wrong with gypsies you piece of shit

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 21:59:11 2017 No.9601647

>>9599730
>litrpg
It's new, big in Russia for a few years before it grew in the US.

I've really gotten into it, even though I couldn't get more than a few pages into "Ready Player One"

"The Land" series that are still coming out are suppose to be some of the big titles for the genre, but I don't think 4chan would like it. Mainly because the author in my opinion makes the MC bisexual in the fourth book without any warning, and uses a lot of outdated memes that come-off as cringe.

I would recommend starting with the "Awaken Online" series which is two books in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:02:34 2017 No.9601660 >>9601470 >t. reddit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:02:41 2017 No.9601661 >>9601569 Yeah. And how famous are they really?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:03:54 2017 No.9601666 >>9601585 Don't gypsies tell fortunes and things?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:04:29 2017 No.9601668 >>9601666 No they're scum

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:05:15 2017 No.9601670 >>9601666 And steal stuff under their huge dresses

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:05:31 2017 No.9601672 >>9601661 Sanderson is pretty famous although most of that fame came from WoT

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:06:19 2017 No.9601677 >>9601668 >>9601670 Europeans are fucking weird.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:08:18 2017 No.9601682 >>9601666 Gypsies are indians who were kicked out of India. Now I'm sure you can imagine how bad they must be that pajeet didn't want them

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:12:41 2017 No.9601694

>>9601647
From what I've seen of LitRPG it seems to be almost always somebody narrating playing a MMO. "and then I hit the wolf for the 5th time, killing it and gaining XYZ gold and XP. Before I moved on to the 11th wolf I checked my stats again."

Honestly you'd be better off reading translations of Japanese isekai web/light novels if you want the fantasyland with rpg elements stuff.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:23:26 2017 No.9601723 >>9601672 So Sanderson has bad dialogue? Well now I'm 100% on not reading his shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:26:45 2017 No.9601733 >>9601723 His dialogue is awkward and stilted and every attempt at romance has been even worse

Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:35:41 2017 No.9601770

>>9601694

Yea I hate that too, but some authors are better than others by how much they put that sort of stuff in it.

It really depends on what you want, since they have some that focus more on states, than others. Some people have it where your in a game, or a fantasy setting that just has rpg like elements also. They also have it where the rpg element is only part of a whole greater story.

I think the series "Lion's Quest" does the later well since the MC doesn't go into the rpg type element until halfway in the first book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:44:45 2017 No.9601791 >>9601733 So why do people read it? If dialogue is bad, the only thing holding it together is if is prose was good. Or he must be a god at storytelling exposition.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:46:48 2017 No.9601799 >>9601791 His magic systems are the main draw towards his novels

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 22:48:14 2017 No.9601803 >>9601799 >dude burn metal in your stomach lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:01:43 2017 No.9601845 File: 85 KB, 500x566, 8975432.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9598988 The fall of Hyperion was a huge letdown totally squandered the greatness of the first book

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:13:09 2017 No.9601875 >>9601666 Yeah, like 0,001%. The rest are the niggers of Europe that only steal and occasionally a wedding song. They live in motherfucking tent camps and ride carriages into towns, and see no problem with parking a horse next to a Porsche.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:14:14 2017 No.9601882 >>9601492 everything after the black prism sucks holy shit was the latest book bad. absolute drivel

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:14:45 2017 No.9601883 >>9599879 god emperor is the best dune book imo

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:15:26 2017 No.9601887 >>9601589 >Get so caught up in the story having a cohesive plot that you end up in an endless loop revising an outline

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:15:42 2017 No.9601888 >>9600093 fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:15:51 2017 No.9601890 >>9601799 Why not just fkn play a game, like Grim Dawn, if you want to experience a great magic system? I think I understand Sanderson hate meme

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:17:22 2017 No.9601893 >>9601803 Powder Mage does it better even though it's mostly just >Dude gunpowder LMAO

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:21:18 2017 No.9601907 >>9601890 Because making video games is hard, writing words is far easier.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:30:52 2017 No.9601939 >>9601618 I read... and a bunch of others too..

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:31:10 2017 No.9601941 >>9601890 >>9601907 >people talking about novels >for some reason they bring up video games The fucking autism. And for the record, no. If you want a good magic system you go and read or watch Hunter x Hunter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:36:36 2017 No.9601959 File: 167 KB, 1024x768, 1478151042861.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9601882 >wasn't drawn in by the tightest pussy around

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:37:05 2017 No.9601961 >All of this hate for Sanderson Did he pissed in your guys cereal this morning or something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:39:44 2017 No.9601969 >>9601961 It's the reddites trying to prove that they aren't from reddit by distancing themselves from an icon that is automatically connected with reddit. Sanderson. They will try to meme and pretend, but we knkw.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:41:32 2017 No.9601975 >>9601548 The masses love catgirls. You just can't go wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:42:52 2017 No.9601980 >>9601941 Inhaling light and slipping around with a giant sword is cooler.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:58:25 2017 No.9602031 Which Sanderson novel has the least women and bullshit drama and the most anime powerlevels and insane powerups? Asking for a friend.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 5 23:59:03 2017 No.9602033 >>9601961 no Sandersonfags seem to think they're a majority so we had to enlighten them

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:00:04 2017 No.9602037 >>9599951 >Starts out as useless washing machine/rapemagnet side-character >Is actually a super-powerful chosen one goddess Why do people do this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:00:05 2017 No.9602038 >>9602031 Every Sanderson novel is basically the same as the last

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:03:00 2017 No.9602049 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzqUhYP1uAA

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:11:27 2017 No.9602081 >>9599738 bakker's got the eyes of a successful rapist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:24:38 2017 No.9602114 File: 81 KB, 1048x576, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9601603 Seems like sound advice

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:28:58 2017 No.9602127

>Working on Military Sci-fi book
>Have some good character ideas, decently fleshed out world and overall plot
>Get the first chapter knocked out
>Pretty happy with the result
>Brain starts developing a new story idea based off of a GURPS multiverse game that my buddies and I were planing a few months back, but haven't started yet
>Starts to distract from the book I was working on
>Jot down a few rough ideas in a document I have for underdeveloped ideas and concepts
>Multiverse story is now the only thing I can think about when I go write
>I find myself rapidly losing interest in the Military Sci-Fi book project
This kind of thing happens to me all the time. I can't stay focused on one project at a time and I never finish anything. How do you guys stay focused on one project?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:29:13 2017 No.9602128 >>9599738 >Remember to buy >2017 >buying anything >>8949083

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:31:39 2017 No.9602136 how did i not realize it's called malazan book of the fallen because of how many of the characters die i feel small brained like a motherfucker

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:36:31 2017 No.9602152 File: 326 KB, 690x460, drake-hotline-bling-jacket-moncler.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >scifi story >the measurements aren't in metric

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:38:49 2017 No.9602159 >>9602127 If you can't focus on one project than don't what's the point in forcing yourself to work on something that you have no drive for? Just go back to it when you have a couple neat ideas or a spark of inspiration

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:44:25 2017 No.9602180 >>9602033 >one guy shitposting >we >show them

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:46:44 2017 No.9602186 I like Sanderson.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:47:49 2017 No.9602192 File: 240 KB, 1171x531, 1486771729502.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9602127 We stay focused by protecting our children from predators.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:49:14 2017 No.9602196 what's wrong with Sanderson? A friend of mine recommended Warbreaker and I have it coming in the mail right now

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 00:55:40 2017 No.9602217 >>9602196 He's solid but his writing is a bit wooden and unambitious. He files off the rough spots but the consequence of that that when you're filing down a piece of metal, you're also taking off the high points. (that's a bad metaphor)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 01:20:24 2017 No.9602290 Where do I start with Jack Vance?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 01:20:40 2017 No.9602292 >>9601108 Oh fuck, are there Mongols that the ruling class doesn't know how to deal with? The Mongols can really be replaced by anything. Even a force of nature. Literally something you can't beat, but can just minimize the damage when it reads up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 01:25:33 2017 No.9602314 >>9601242 >>9601217 Following up on this, read Firearms: a global history to 1700 by Kenneth Chase. it's actually about the Mongols

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 01:27:01 2017 No.9602319 >>9602290 cugel's saga

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 01:31:59 2017 No.9602332 >>9600534 There was assasination

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 01:48:47 2017 No.9602372 >>9601023 Ancient alien tech, and all you come up with is cars and muskets? That's tech humans will discover anyways. It's not interesting. It's like saying your book is set in 2001 but they already have smartphones like in 2011. Woooow...

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 03:17:46 2017 No.9602594

>>9600621
Don't mind the idiots that sperg out as soon Sandersons name is mentioned, there's more. You could probably try out A Song of Ice and Fire or the Farseer Trilogy if you want to stay at slightly generic entry level, otherwise Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell is a great book that isn't to generic nor pseud.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 03:29:05 2017 No.9602617 >>9602196 If you look up the word average in a dictionary you'd find a picture of Sanderson. Someone compared him to McDonalds, which is actually quite fitting. He's the fastfood of fantasy. But don't worry, Warbreaker is his best work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 05:57:00 2017 No.9602841 File: 20 KB, 224x200, 1473202604725.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9602372 Kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 06:40:39 2017 No.9602910 >>9601135 i'm sold

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 07:14:43 2017 No.9602978 Are there any fantasy series set in ancient Rome?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 07:36:54 2017 No.9603015 >>9602978 man i don't even read much fantasy but I chewed my way through some Roman history books a few years ago and believe me the real events are as fascinating as any fiction

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 07:38:19 2017 No.9603018 >>9603015 That's just it. I've read through quite a few history books as well as some historical fiction. I just want some straight up fantasy now. Can't get enough of the setting

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 08:08:38 2017 No.9603094 File: 470 KB, 1588x2500, starchart_threnody_color.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9601941 >Hiatus X Hiatus >Good O

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 08:27:13 2017 No.9603154 >>9601845 Really? I enjoyed it a ton, felt it really wrapped up the story nicely while maintaining this excellent sense of weight and tension.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 08:36:30 2017 No.9603176 >>9603094 Thank fuck I found an author who can write a book in nine months.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 08:40:48 2017 No.9603182 >>9600093 apsalar.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 09:18:02 2017 No.9603272 >>9602978 Look up The Folding Knife by Parker.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 09:22:27 2017 No.9603276 >>9599752 >>9602128 Why can't /lit/ into irony? Am I on /sci/? How can people here of all places lack the basic criticism to question what they read? Inb4 7 layers of irony[\spoiler]

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 09:40:36 2017 No.9603319

>>9600621
I had the same problem when getting into sff, very hard to find something good.
Try:
- Dying earth series by Jack vance
- Dune
- Wizard Knight & Fifth Head of Cerberus by Gene Wolfe

Good website for reccomendations:
http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 09:56:56 2017 No.9603349
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I've been reading pic related for inspiration and research as I want to write short stories about fantasy traders backstabbing each other (literally and financially) to the top. I've never muttered "fucking jews" to myself in such an amused and excited tone before.

Anyone got book recommendations for worldbuilding plausible societies and economies? I've read Medieval Warfare by Keen and Medieval Market Morality by Davis.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 10:11:32 2017 No.9603375 File: 345 KB, 1600x1067, 1471968300267.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fucking outer lit looking for a place to "slum" over the summer got our thread going sanic fast.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 10:19:01 2017 No.9603391 Just bingeread the powder mage trilogy and Sins of Empire. I know it came out this year, but is there any information at all as to when the next book in the series might come?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 10:25:31 2017 No.9603405 >>9603375 Oh yeah because sanderson was always liked and welcome in /sffg/ because apparently we reddit now

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 10:30:22 2017 No.9603425
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>tfw when you make it over 60% into a 900p+ book, and you're really bored, but it's also way too late to stop without abandoning it and there's the chance you would have to start all over again in a few months

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 10:30:56 2017 No.9603426 Are there any other characters from Jack Vances works who are as amusing to read as Cugel?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 10:34:32 2017 No.9603442 >>9603425 900p isn't that long.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 10:35:44 2017 No.9603448 >>9603442 It is when you're bored and eager to switch to another book that just came in the mail.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 10:36:11 2017 No.9603450 >>9603448 Just switch anon! Life is too short to be wasted on bad books!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 10:51:29 2017 No.9603504 New Thread >>9603500

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 11:22:51 2017 No.9603582
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>>9603405
Hello Mr. Newfag. Guy who helped start and keep afloat sffg 2 years+ ago here. Sanderson was never shit talked as much as he is recently. A few months ago this Sanderson shit started. Before he was someone "with workman like prose who released regularly". That was it. Nothing great, but entertaining. You few shitposters trying to influence hate isn't working. Only other trolls are responding to you when you spoiler post "Sanderson", people that actually read don't bother with you. We might respond once, but when we see you haven't actually read the book you are bashing, and you never will, we ignore you. What continues after is someone wanting to get a response.

Please take your ass out of our general and back to memeing about the bible, IJ and Nick.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 6 11:51:26 2017 No.9603677 >>9601941 Yes. Video games like grim dawn, or pillars of eternity are pretty much high level fantasy novels. The short memory fragments in Pillars of Eternity are better than anything Sanderson has written.

Anonymous Tue Jun 6 11:53:56 2017 No.9603684

>>9603677
>The short memory fragments in Pillars of Eternity are better than anything Sanderson has written.
Worst thing about the game. They could have played a useful role in the actual gameplay, instead it's just some unrelated crap you can't even confront people about. Pathetic. Though the part about the Godhammer and the Eothas was amazing, and I hated the game as soon as I realized it wouldn't revolve around that.

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