American Literature: Then and Now

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Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:00:44 2010 No.958146 [Reply] [Original]

American Literature: Then and Now

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:01:44 2010 No.958151 So there's been a marginal improvement? Both are an improvement, but at least twilight doesn't interrupt the story for tedious essays on whaling.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:04:44 2010 No.958158 Good point. We SHOULD be more thankful for Twilight; at least it's not Moby Dick.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:04:44 2010 No.958159 Moby Dick as extremely unpopular when it came out and was torn apart by the critics. Bad comparison.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:06:44 2010 No.958165 There has always been shit. But now that shit sparkles and makes millions.

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:07:44 2010 No.958174

You also have the works of Samuel Clemens, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Isaac Asimov, John Steinbeck, J. D. Salinger, Ray Bradbury, Stephen King, and Ernest Hemingway. What these men author on a sheet of toilet paper after a bowel movement surpasses Twilight by a parsec.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:07:44 2010 No.958175 >>958159 I think that makes it a perfect comparison; both are terrible books which receive undue praise from idiots.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:07:44 2010 No.958177 The publishing industry decided to make a bunch of money out of the uneducated.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:09:44 2010 No.958186 File: 74 KB, 340x507, cormac_mccarthy_blood_meridian.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What happened? Oh wait..

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:10:44 2010 No.958189 >>958174 FUCK OFF, you're part of the problem. Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury and Stephen King are genre crappies. It's because shits like you were indulged in their delusions of deserving life that we now have Twilight.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:11:44 2010 No.958193 >>958174 Your suppose to just name drop the good authors. Fuck man, King and Asimov? I would be fucking depressed if they were amongst the elite of American authors.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:12:44 2010 No.958197 Ever heard of a little book called Fahrenheit 451? What of Foundation? What of... OK you got a point with Stephen King.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:12:44 2010 No.958198 >>958186 Well he is of Irish ancestry what can I say

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:13:44 2010 No.958199 >>958193 You're*

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:13:44 2010 No.958201 >>958197 Yes I have, it's a piece of shit. So is Foundation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:14:44 2010 No.958202 >>958201 Actually, Foundation is really three/four pieces of shit in a big sneaker left in someone's garage.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:14:44 2010 No.958204 >>958197 Fahrenheit 451 was Bradbury. Bradbury has almost nothing in common with Asimov stylistically.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:14:44 2010 No.958207 >>958198 And you have African ancestry, you fucking nigger shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:14:44 2010 No.958209 >>958201 Enlighten me, how so?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:15:44 2010 No.958213 >>958209 Bradbury's writing is like watching a kid counting the steps from the store to home, and Asimov is just... blllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh. Also, Marty Sue.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:16:44 2010 No.958217 >>958189 >>958193 I'm glad someone covered this already so I didn't have to

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:17:44 2010 No.958225 Thomas PYnchon

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:18:44 2010 No.958228 OK, so maybe I didn't list the most shining examples. But you must admit that some of the men I described are far better authors than that Mormon woman.

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:19:44 2010 No.958235
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Fellows, let's not start bitching about King etc.

OP's fatal flaw is calling Twilight 'literature', when it is just pop shite that was marketed to horny tweens by a writer who can barely write above the level of zealous fan fiction. Pulpy worthless shit has always been around and been massively popular but you don't know about it now because people forget about it, whereas the great novels will last forever. Who the fuck will care about Twilight in 10 years?

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:20:44 2010 No.958241

actually, when Moby Dick was first published, everyone HATED it. One of my friends had a copy of Moby Dick and it had a bunch of reviews back when the first edition came out. There were some absolutely scathing reviews calling Herman Melville a hack, and the book really only became popular once he died.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:20:44 2010 No.958247 >>958228 The others are. Asimov, Bradbury and King, nah.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:20:44 2010 No.958248 >>958228 Well clappity clappity mother fucker, what an achievement!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:21:44 2010 No.958251 >>958247 Shut-up Twilight fanboy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:22:44 2010 No.958252 >Implying Moby Dick was or is good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:22:44 2010 No.958253 >>958235 This is correct. >>958241 Yeah, but... you know, it's never that simple, and I worry about the USE of stories like this to defend people like Meyer again 'haterz'.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:22:44 2010 No.958259 Gravity's Rainbow is seriously up there wuith Moby-Dick as one of the greatest novels ever. It seriously is

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:23:44 2010 No.958262
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I'm the VP of a student lit society at my uni, and after the holidays some new members came to a meeting, we asked them to introduce themselves and tell us what they had read during the break. This fat weaboo stood up and told us he read all of the Twilight books. I camly said "Get out." Never saw him again. My face.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:26:44 2010 No.958269 >>958262 And then everyone stood up and clapped.

>>	:soundoff: Fri Jul 23 21:29:44 2010 No.958283 >>958262 Then everyone lied about what they read.

>>	:soundoff: Fri Jul 23 21:30:44 2010 No.958286 >>958189 You best be trollan though, stephen king is poo

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:31:44 2010 No.958288 File: 54 KB, 534x683, 1277882165675.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>958262 This is excellent.

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:31:44 2010 No.958290

Edgar Allen Poe, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Herman Melville, Walt Whitman, T. S. Eliot, Robert Frost, Mark Twain, Henry James, William Sydney Porter, Stephen Crane, Ernest Hemingway, William Faulkner, John Steinbeck, Henry Miller, William S. Burroughs, John Updike, Thomas Pynchon, Vonnegut(uhg), Cormac McCarthy, Philip Roth, Don DeLillo...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:32:44 2010 No.958295 >>958283 Haha yeah got a few obscure authors after that

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:33:44 2010 No.958299 op must be a hipster

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:39:44 2010 No.958319 Back then Charles Dickens was extremely popular. He was the Stephanie Meyer of the 19th century.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:41:44 2010 No.958328 >>958319 Another example of the bullshit commonly pulled by people who like to roll around in shit. No, he wasn't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:41:44 2010 No.958329 File: 19 KB, 237x251, 1277763825281.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>958319 Right...you did just say that..

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:42:44 2010 No.958330 You now realize that amazing pieces of literature are being written and published at this very moment, but will remain obscure for many years to come.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:43:44 2010 No.958337 >>958290 No, O. Henry is not one of the great American writers. Neither is Cormac McCarthy. I'd say Vonnegut falls out of the top tier, too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:44:44 2010 No.958340 >>958337 Well if YOU said it, then it's definitely true. I forgot that you were the supreme master of quality control for American literature. Can't believe we didn't consult you earlier.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:45:44 2010 No.958343 >>958337 >Vonnegut falls out of the top tier Nigga you trollin'

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:46:44 2010 No.958345 >>958337 Look, another faggot who has only read The Road. Read Suttree and Blood Meridian and realize how big an ass you are.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:47:44 2010 No.958351 >>958337 Hey dude.. I think you missed Burroughs. He's also on the list

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:49:44 2010 No.958359 >>958290 More people who don't belong: Henry Miller, John Updike

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:54:44 2010 No.958385 God Tier: my tastes Faggot Tier: your tastes

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:55:44 2010 No.958386 >>958340 Well, better late that never. Obviously it's my opinion, you idiot, but I'm not going to surround it with pussy qualifiers. >>958343 Nah, Vonnegut isn't as good as those other fellas.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:56:44 2010 No.958390 >>958345 Nah, I've read 'em, he's not all that. Read more books, man, some people are REALLY good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:56:44 2010 No.958394 >>958359 Guess what faggot, your opinion doesn't overturn their status in American lit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:58:44 2010 No.958398 >>958390 No you haven't. Fuck off idiot. Also, I have read plenty of books to make the judgment. The critics are on my side too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:58:44 2010 No.958399 >>958394 I love it when idiots like this have to call up the canon because the fact that other people have the confidence of their own opinions intimidates and angers them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 21:59:44 2010 No.958405 As if pop fiction didn't exist in the 19th cent. OP is just showing off his lack of education.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:02:44 2010 No.958418 >>958399 Joyce sucks and isn't a prominent author in Irish lit. It is now true because my opinion. See, you're dumb.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:11:44 2010 No.958453 >>958394 Hey. Henry Miller ain't even on Harold Bloom's big list and I know exactly why. So shut the hell up.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:12:44 2010 No.958455 >>958418 Oh lawd I thought you were serious there. deactivates lazor

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:15:44 2010 No.958468 >>958398 Yeah I have, he's not all that. Really. Read more.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:16:44 2010 No.958471 >>958418 No, I'm not.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:17:44 2010 No.958475 >>958468 Excuse me. Harold Bloom has read like 4853740598 books at least 3 times each and Cormac McCarthy is one of his favorite American novelists. So stop being some kind of faggot bitch and man up and like you some McCarthy

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:17:44 2010 No.958476 >>958398 Such a desperate child.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:19:44 2010 No.958483 >>958475 >>958453 >implying Harold Bloom is an authority on anything other than Shakespeare

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:20:44 2010 No.958488 >>958475 That doesn't particularly concern me, I know Bloom isn't after what I'm after in a novel - he thinks Philip Roth's good too, and I'm afraid he isn't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:22:44 2010 No.958493 >>958475 For a /lit/ board there sure is a lot of dogma in here.

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:22:44 2010 No.958494

>>958483

Also, let's not forget, Bloom did a foreword for a bunch of pieces about Tolkien which he probably hadn't even read, just so he could slide his name under the noses of a broader readership. So, you know, even great men have their moments of faggotry.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:22:44 2010 No.958496 >>958476 Troll elsewhere.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:23:44 2010 No.958500 >>958488 Look.. you have to understand that that's just a Jew thing. They're both Jews so it's like a Jewish brotherhood thing or whatever. You know.. like how all the black people have meetings together. It's a lot like that

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:23:44 2010 No.958502 >>958493 Nah, we're talking about serious business here - literature.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:24:44 2010 No.958506 >>958488 100,000 literature professors disagree with your 16 year old idiot opinion. Congrats.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:25:44 2010 No.958509 >>958500 Somehow I suspect you might be trrrrrrolleeeeng, just a beeet?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:25:44 2010 No.958512 >>958500 Actually, Philip Roth is very good. He's just not for people under 23.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:26:44 2010 No.958516 >>958502 "So stop being some kind of faggot bitch and man up and like you some McCarthy" .....riiiight. You all put William Hazlitt to shame with your elevated prose and ideas. xD

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Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:28:44 2010 No.958519

>>958506

Oh wow, you really are desperate to belong! I know most people don't exercise their own taste and discernment, but you're finding yourself driven to try to INTIMIDATE me with the number of people who've downloaded Bloom's taste into their brains. It's really astonishing.

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:28:44 2010 No.958521
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>>958506
This isn't a terribly compelling argument.

I mention this because I find Roth to be the worst of the great American narcissists. I don't really want to argue about it, and yeah he's got too much clout for you to not make a valid argument about his relevancy. Example: The Decameron is relevant; still don't have to like it.

I'm just glad Vidal will live on like some horrible gay mummy long after that Jew kicks it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:29:44 2010 No.958522 >>958516 >prose >imageboard

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:29:44 2010 No.958525 >>958521 >great American narcissists YOUR OPINION IS INVALIDATED, WOMAN

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:31:44 2010 No.958528 >>958516 I do love the '[verb] you' archaic imperative though, coming after that invective.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:31:44 2010 No.958529 File: 40 KB, 560x432, haha_oh_wow.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>958519 >Thinks we are arguing personal tastes

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:33:44 2010 No.958536 >>958528 Yeah I also like dumb cliched bullshit, that's why I wrote it

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:34:44 2010 No.958540 >>958536 - Cormac McCarthy

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:35:44 2010 No.958544 >>958540 HAHAHAHA! BOMBTRACK!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:35:44 2010 No.958546 >>958540 Powertrolling.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:37:44 2010 No.958555 >>958529 OK - Objectively, Cormac McCarthy is boring shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:38:44 2010 No.958558 >>958536 - James Joyce

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Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:39:44 2010 No.958562

>>958555

Bloom doesn't think so because, like many physically cowardly indoorsy schlmiels, he imagines blue-collar flyover country folk have a soul. They don't. They're all the same, they're components for use, and the desert is still ugly no matter what words you use.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:39:44 2010 No.958563 >>958555 >Objectively >Gives personal opinion Yup, Trolling. Good day sir.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:40:44 2010 No.958572 >>958563 You idiot, you need humor spelled out for you? No wonder you defer to conservative institutional values.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:41:44 2010 No.958575 >>958562 I don't give a fuck about Bloom. Also, you are clearly set your trolling to maximum now. "Country folk can't write and don't have a soul HERP DERP. " No one has a soul and William Faulkner is the best American writer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:42:44 2010 No.958578 >>958572 >conservative institutional values Point to them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:43:44 2010 No.958584 >>958572 Because no one would say something unintelligent on a message board without it being a joke. Man you are an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:44:44 2010 No.958590 >>958572 Good cover, it was just a joke guys!!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:44:44 2010 No.958592 >>958572 Trolling is always a joke to the troll.

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:44:44 2010 No.958593

>>958575

No, I'm not trolling, I'm explaining why McCarthy isn't much good. It's the kind of writing which is overrated because the people it's about - and by, to an extent - are overrated. Calling them components is just a corrective to centuries of American critics talking them up because of a national surplus of half-educated country folk. It wouldn't be good enough in any other country in the world, and it isn't good enough here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:45:44 2010 No.958597 >>958572 Who said it wasn't done in humor? It wouldn't be trolling if it wasn't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:46:44 2010 No.958599 >>958578 Your Bloom-touting. Your invocation of those thousands of academics. >>958584 No, it was humor. I do think that what I said is objectively true, but it's comical to say something is objectively true before wording it so violently.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:47:44 2010 No.958605 McCarthy thinks Proust is no good. /thread

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:49:44 2010 No.958618 >>958593 So you are a pompous ass who hates people from rural areas? This is your case against McCarthy? Think of something better dude. Just say, I think he's boring as shit or something.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:53:44 2010 No.958634 >>958605 Lol, he's probably homophobic

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:55:44 2010 No.958648

>>958618

I come from a rural area. For centuries, metropolitan shut-ins have waxed rhapsodic over any novel where the main character can work in wood or loses his grip on grammar. I'm tired of it. Most of those people are all the same - they talk the same, they think the same, they act the same. That's why I left. McCarthy is the same kind of bullshitter for the West that Bruce Springsteen is for factory towns.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:56:44 2010 No.958652 >>958634 Almost certainly, but let's keep our hats on it. After all, he's one of Harold Bloom's top authors.

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:57:44 2010 No.958658

>>958599
>Your Bloom-touting. Your invocation of those thousands of academics.

Because it wasn't a battle of my personal opinion versus yours. See, that is where you made the mistake. When someone lists classics or prominent authors of a country or a time period, what he bases their status isn't his or someone else's single opinion. Get it? I could say, I hate Ernest Hemingway. See, he would still be a classic author, despite my opinion? Why? Surely you know why right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 22:58:44 2010 No.958666 >>958648 So you admit it. Good to see you own up to your bullshit.

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:03:44 2010 No.958698

>>958658
If you're the same anon, you attempted to INTIMIDATE me with a number. That's not how you do it. The problem is, you're assuming you're here to teach, and that if I argue with this conservative canonical evaluation, I must be a beginner stepping out of line. These assumptions are unfounded, and mistaken.

>>958666
You're full of shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:06:44 2010 No.958714 File: 143 KB, 1500x1000, 1279933215682.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I fixed it

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:08:44 2010 No.958717 Did Cormac McCarthy write Brokeback Mountain?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:10:44 2010 No.958722 >>958717 lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:10:44 2010 No.958724 >>958717 Yes. He is secretly gay

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:10:44 2010 No.958725 >>958724 Wow, talk about the Brown Dirt Cowboy, lol

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:11:44 2010 No.958729

>>958698
>If you're the same anon, you attempted to INTIMIDATE me with a number. That's not how you do it. The problem is, you're assuming you're here to teach, and that if I argue with this conservative canonical evaluation, I must be a beginner stepping out of line. These assumptions are unfounded, and mistaken.

Intimidate? I just pulled some number out of my ass, it was to point out that your single opinion does not determine what is a classic or what is canonical. I'm tired of shits thinking what should be considered a classic is based on their single opinion.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:11:44 2010 No.958730 Just throwing this out there: anyone who thinks Stephen King is a shitty writer is a literature snob or a troll.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:12:44 2010 No.958733 >>958698 >You're full of shit. Because I don't automatically hate everyone from the country?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:13:44 2010 No.958737 >>958730Just throwing this out there: anyone who thinks Stephen King is a shitty writer has taste fixed I grew up reading King and now I realize the man is fucking trash. Deal with it nerd.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:13:44 2010 No.958738 >>958730 He is a shitty writer and so is Vonnegut and Joseph Conrad. Fuck, I hate those socialist faggots.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:14:44 2010 No.958741 >>958730 He's amusing, but not a great writer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:14:44 2010 No.958745 >>958737 >>958738 How is he a shitty writer/trash? What makes him so? But good call about Vonnegut, I can't enjoy his books.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:15:44 2010 No.958747 >>958730 He's not good but it's not like there isn't worse

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:15:44 2010 No.958748

>>958729
You idiot! I'd already said I was obviously expressing my opinion, just not surrounding it with a bunch of qualifiers. It's OBVIOUS my opinion is my opinion. How stupid and insecure do you have to be to have a problem with people confidently stating their opinions?

>>958730
You know, most of them think that, they're just waiting for the people who care enough to have an argument about it to give up.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:16:44 2010 No.958750 >>958738 >He is a shitty writer and so is Vonnegut and Joseph Conrad. Fuck, I hate those socialist faggots. GTFO off /lit/ Glenn Beck

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:17:44 2010 No.958752 >>958745 You agree with Vonnegut being trash but question King? Jesus H. Christ on a fucking cracker. Anyways, rather then hear us blather on why we dislike King, read him yourself. You'll quickly see what trash the man is.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:18:44 2010 No.958758 >>958752 I have read several of King's books, I enjoyed them. I don't understand why he's considered trash on here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:18:44 2010 No.958759 >>958733 I don't hate everyone from the country, I hate the ludicrous valorization of a certain kind of country person by a certain kind of cynical writer.

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:19:44 2010 No.958767

>>958748
>You idiot! I'd already said I was obviously expressing my opinion, just not surrounding it with a bunch of qualifiers. It's OBVIOUS my opinion is my opinion. How stupid and insecure do you have to be to have a problem with people confidently stating their opinions?

I listed a quick list of American literature canon. Then you, or some other douche, I can't tell one from another, said to remove x and x and x because his opinion.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:20:44 2010 No.958771 Joseph Conrad wasn't a socialist. Is this some new meaning of the word 'socialist' that I'm unfamiliar with?

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:21:44 2010 No.958777

>>958758
He's pulpy genre trash. Unlike many others, he's taken the easy way writing the same damn horror shit over and over. When he does attempt to step out, it more often than not ends up being science fiction. There is absolutely no growth to the man. You'd see no difference from his earlier stuff to his later stuff. He is the epitome of the hack writer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:22:44 2010 No.958782 >>958767 Yes, I did, and I stand by that as an accurate expression of my opinion.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:22:44 2010 No.958784 >>958290 did you get all of those authors straight from oprahs book club or something

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:23:44 2010 No.958788 >>958758 because a number of /lit/ posters are engaged in serious efforts either to assert their own superiority on the grounds of perceived deficiencies in the reading material of others, or to troll the fuck out of /lit/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:24:44 2010 No.958792 Hey Amerifags PROTIP: Socialism does not equal Communism

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:24:44 2010 No.958793 >>958759 He doesn't just write about one kind of person, his writing take place from the 1840's - the future. That doesn't matter though. Why shouldn't he write about what he knows? You just don't like people from the country it seems or the west.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:24:44 2010 No.958795 >>958788 Or perhaps because we're simply disputing the issue this man has raised in King being a damned hack. Which he is. Otherwise, no I do not see King discussed here often. Quit being melodramatic. Pussy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:25:44 2010 No.958798 >>958784 can't wait till I see Henry Miller on Oprah's book club

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:26:44 2010 No.958807 >>958782 But you just said. Oh fuck it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:27:44 2010 No.958812 >>958771 Nah, I was just trolling.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:28:44 2010 No.958814 >>958795 King is posted about here all the time. During the day.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:29:44 2010 No.958819 >>958795 it's more the way /lit/ has of following every mention of a genre author with "YOU FUCKING MANCHILD READ A REAL BOOKS" which is really really fucking dumb and ngl gets on my nerves

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:29:44 2010 No.958820 >>958759 Calm down, we get it. You don't think people from the country aren't worth writing about because they are inferior garbage. See I never understood Steinbeck writing about migrant workers, who wants to write about that kind of garbage?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:30:44 2010 No.958823 >>958793 No, his racket is manifest, and I have explained my objection to it. >>958807 But it wasn't your opinion, was it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:30:44 2010 No.958824 >>958798 Naked Lunch too man.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:31:44 2010 No.958826 >>958820 Why are you LYING about what I said when what I said is there, on the screen, for anyone to read? Are you trying to troll me? I've explained my position.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:31:44 2010 No.958827 >>958812 or... uhh i dont know what sociaism is so ill just write it anyway but then i fucked up and got caught out but no worries ill just claim i was trolling lol u guy hahah hurr durr

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:31:54 2010 No.958829 >>958823 >But it wasn't your opinion, was it? No, it wasn't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:32:44 2010 No.958831 >>958819 THEN READ A REAL BOOK, SHITPEG!

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:32:44 2010 No.958835

>>958777

Of course he sticks to writing horror, it's what he's good at and what sells. He writes to make a living, he's said it himself. You strike me as one of those people who would listen to obscure bands solely because they are obscure.

Say what you will, I believe The Stand is one of the masterpieces of the 20th century.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:32:44 2010 No.958836 >>958827 To be fair I also hate Socialist horror writers like King and Conrad

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:33:44 2010 No.958837 >>958827 You caught me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:33:44 2010 No.958838 >>958819 >I DON'T WANNA QUIT READING TRASH >QUIT TELLING ME TO STOP READING TRASH >WAAAAAAAAAAH man and here i thought we were doing chumps like you a service

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:34:44 2010 No.958841 >>958836 And Aldous Huxley

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:34:44 2010 No.958848

>>958835
King hasn't written a decent horror novel in years. If I remember correctly, he wrote under a pen name to see if his horror would still pass by the critics and in sales.

It fucking didn't.

>I believe The Stand is one of the masterpieces of the 20th century.

You miserable fucking loser.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:34:44 2010 No.958849 >>958826 Dude, we don't have to play these games. I'm with you bro.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:35:44 2010 No.958855 >>958838 I know... it's too bad... >>958841 Huxley, ah yes, Huxley - who was BETTER than Orwell, if any of the faggots from that thread are still floating around.

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:36:44 2010 No.958858

>>958831
i do. all the fucking time. i also read science fiction and fantasy (some of which is really fucking good!!!!) so shut it

>>958838
you're not doing me a service, you presumptuous ass, you're being an arrogant idiot. keep in mind - reading and discussing 'trash' does not stop one from reading and discussing 'literature'.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:36:44 2010 No.958860 >>958849 Really? Well good for you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:37:44 2010 No.958863 >>958858 YES IT FUCKING DOES, WHORESON SMELLS!

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:37:44 2010 No.958866

>>958848

That is true, he tried a penname to see if he could reproduce his own success or if he simply got lucky.

>You miserable fucking loser.
>HURR DURR YOUR OPINION IS DIFFERENT FROM MINE AND THAT MAKES YOU A DUMBASS

Sorry man, I didn't realize this was /mu/.

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:38:44 2010 No.958870

I have never read any of Kings books, but I appreciate that he is a good storyteller having penned a lot of classic movies like Carrie, The Shining, Green Mile, The Shawshank Redemption, Stand By Me, Misery etc.. (and also IT... ) so i wouldn't be too quick to slate him completely.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:38:44 2010 No.958874 >>958863 oic >>958866 its not but some people are really committed to making it /mu/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:39:44 2010 No.958876 >>958870 HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU WENT FULL RETARD

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:40:44 2010 No.958889 File: 472 KB, 504x722, problemofficer.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>958876

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:41:44 2010 No.958898 Stephen King is interesting, because his face is so weird you think he can't be fully caucasian. But he is. True story.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:41:44 2010 No.958901 >>958889 lol'ed 8/10

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:42:44 2010 No.958907 >>958860 OH YOU FELL FOR THE TRAP! You do hate people from the country! I knew it. I knew it. I got you. You all but said it earlier, well you did say it. Then went back and tried to hide it. But, I caught you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:43:44 2010 No.958913 >>958858 GRRM isn't literature either fool >>958866 >>958874 Too fucking bad. Stephen King making into any 100 lists for anything sets off my bad taste alarm. Kids these days. Read some more books please, I beg of you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:44:44 2010 No.958922 >>958913 I read plenty, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:45:44 2010 No.958931 >>958922 Not enough if The Stand is one of the "masterpieces" of the fucking 20th century you bloody mongoloid

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:46:44 2010 No.958937 >>958913 Funny, my English professor loved King.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:46:44 2010 No.958938 >>958931 It's just my opinion, and you're just an arrogant asshole.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:47:44 2010 No.958940 >>958937 HE PAYS ATTENTION TO HIS ENGLISH PROFESSOR?!? LAUGHGIRLS.JPEG hahahaha but get serious now

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:47:44 2010 No.958941 >>958937 My English professor could beat up your English professor

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:47:44 2010 No.958942 >>958907 No, I didn't say that at all, and everyone can SEE it. You've proved nothing except that you don't have a real interest in literature. Enjoy your trolling.

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:47:44 2010 No.958943

>>958931
there are people who are idiots who read genre fiction

that does not mean that everyone who reads genre fiction is an idiot. and telling everyone who even mentions genre fiction to "READ REAL BOOKS YOU MANCHILD!" is just fucking stupid, plain and fucking simple. it's really fucking dumb.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:47:44 2010 No.958947 >>958938 An arrogant asshole, but a right arrogant asshole. Maybe you should join Oprah's Book Club!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:48:44 2010 No.958951 >>958943 YOUR OPINION DOESN'T COUNT FOR SHIT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TELL SHIT FROM CLAY, YOU FUCK, YOU MOTHERFUCK, YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER YOU!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:49:44 2010 No.958952 >>958940 >HE PAYS ATTENTION TO HIS ENGLISH PROFESSOR?!? Seemed like a good idea for passing the class. Worked too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:49:44 2010 No.958955 >>958947 >opinion >right

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:49:44 2010 No.958956 >>958943everyone who reads genre fiction is an idiot I agree completely. >everyone who even mentions genre fiction is just fucking stupid, plain and fucking simple. Agreed absolutely! Finally, a quality post in this abysmal thread!

Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:50:44 2010 No.958963

>>958947
i read good fucking books, you asshole. i read things that are not science fiction and fantasy. i'm better fucking read than most of the 1984 AND BRAVE NEW WORLD high school assholes on this board. again: you can read fantasy or science fiction and still read good books

>>958951
ohh no no no

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:50:44 2010 No.958966 >>958952 Dude, I do not give two shits what some fucking freshman english professor thinks about books. If she/he likes King than you must have had a really crappy college.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:51:44 2010 No.958970 >>958942 LOL. Oh man, that was fun. I obviously have no interest in literature either, I don't know why I spend all nearly all my free time reading.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:51:44 2010 No.958971 >>958963you can read fantasy or science fiction and still read good books nope discworld or GRRM does not qualify as quality literature

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:52:44 2010 No.958976 >>958966 Jesus dude, it was sophomore lit anyway. I just mentioned it, I don't even like King.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:53:44 2010 No.958977 >>958971 i hate you so, so much it's stupid of me to get into this argument, but i can't help it i fucking hate you

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:54:18 2010 No.958983 >>958966 ITT: RAGE!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:54:44 2010 No.958987 >>958977 I fucking hate entry-level schmucks who think they read anything worth a damn. Get bent man. Now go scuttle away like some sort of autistic while I go masturbate on my Joyce bust.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:54:44 2010 No.958989 File: 33 KB, 320x316, dangerfield.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT: People who don't know that the 5,000 original copies of Moby Dick didn't even sell during Melville's lifetime. >my face

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:55:44 2010 No.958990 >>958970 No, it wasn't fun. You're just a bad human being - a failed one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:56:44 2010 No.959000 >>958977 MURDER KIDS, FUCK WOOOOOLE FUCKY WUCKY WUCKY WUCK BASTA POL THE FUCKING FUCKER FUCKS YOUR FUCK YAHWAH, ABEDIGO, NIGGER YAKALLAN, YA KALAAN!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:56:44 2010 No.959002 >>958990 You just hating on me because I live in a rural area.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:56:44 2010 No.959011 >>959002 This is the kind of person who rates Cormac McCarthy. A 4chan troll.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:58:44 2010 No.959020 >>959011 Man, you're a such a pompous douche dude. LOL, serious, you got problems.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 23 23:58:44 2010 No.959021 File: 24 KB, 303x400, Against_the_Day_Thomas_Pynchon_unabridged.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh, and here's some good American lit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:00:44 2010 No.959029 >>959020 No, I have solutions. 1. Stop reading McCarthy. Good luck getting a personality, kid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:01:44 2010 No.959032 >>958987 shut the fuck up and go back to /mu/. again, hate you. >>959000 now you, i like

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:01:44 2010 No.959035 >>959021 Yeaaaah!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:03:44 2010 No.959053 File: 15 KB, 279x475, 0441172717.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] <<------ The only genre noveI I have ever read, because it's the only one worth reading.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:05:44 2010 No.959069 >>959053 NOOOOOOOOO IT'S FUCKIN DUNE AGAIN, FOR SPASTICS!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:05:44 2010 No.959070 >>959029 >kid And then he starts with the condescending. Man, you get so mad when I keep on about you hating people from the country. You do though. You made that pretty goddamn clear dude. You're only mad because I'm right.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:06:44 2010 No.959071 >>959053 Careful bro. Supporters of the Monopoly/Pringles Man might bust in here and kick your ass if you talk that way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:06:44 2010 No.959073 File: 30 KB, 360x359, dealwithit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>959032 >I HAVE NO ARGUMENT >GO AWAY BAD MAN Fucking children.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:06:44 2010 No.959077 >>959053 Sucks ass.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:07:44 2010 No.959085 There has always been bad literature in every country that becomes famous for no reason. Shit, remember Animorphs? That doesn't mean literature as a whole in that country is in a bad state, it just proves that teens and tweens have shitty taste.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:07:44 2010 No.959086 >>959070 I'm not mad, I'm just amazed you've got only one gag.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:08:44 2010 No.959092 >>959073 literally kill yourself. here's an argument for you. 1) Put my dick in your mouth. 2) Try and fit my whole nuts and dick in your mouth. 3) QED.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:09:44 2010 No.959102 >>959092 This is what reading genre fiction does to your mind, it turns you into someone who tells guys to eat his nuts on the internet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:10:44 2010 No.959113 >>959102 I think that was a catchphrase actually..

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:11:44 2010 No.959120 >>959086 It's not a gag. You clearly have some superiority complex.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:12:44 2010 No.959126 >>959102 there's no reason for me to argue with you because you'll just dismiss all my arguments with LOL YOU DON'T READ REAL BOOKS, GEORGE RR FARTIN IS NOT REAL LITERATURE, MY SUPERIOR MENTAL ATTACKS so, fuck it. suck a dick, motherfucker.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:13:44 2010 No.959131 >>959120 Look, I explained my position clearly. I am not a snob. McCarthy is, if anyone is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:14:44 2010 No.959135 File: 23 KB, 334x312, 1278740765297.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>959126 >I HAVE NO ARGUMENT >I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING >HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG F-FUCK YOU haha oh man, child you're hilarious

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:14:44 2010 No.959136 >>959126 So you like George RR Martin?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:14:44 2010 No.959137 >>959126 You ARE Napoleon Dynamite.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:14:44 2010 No.959140 >>959136 Dude, that IS George R. R. Martin.

Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:16:44 2010 No.959148

>>959135
okay fine, i'll let you do your thing one more time

1) it is possible for one person to read both science fiction and fantasy and 'real' literature. and in fact many people on this board do. i certainly do. and no i'm not referring to GRRM or discworld.

2) some speculative fiction is not, in fact, complete trash. some of it is skillfully written, if not necessarily deep.

3) given such it is stupid to dismiss out of hand anyone who reads genre fiction

>>959136
excuse me i clearly said George RR Fartin

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:16:44 2010 No.959149 >>959140 I don't know, maybe it's someone who likes the two or so fantasy books that are actually good (not George RR Martin)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:16:44 2010 No.959151 >>959148 0/10.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:17:44 2010 No.959156 >>959149 Insulin is a hell of a drug.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:18:44 2010 No.959161 >>959149 HAHAHAHAHA FANTASY BOOKS ACTUALLY GOOD GO SUCK ON A PACIFIER YOU LITERAL MANCHILD. YOU THINK A FANTASY BOOK IS GOOD YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY 2 IN REAL LIFE AND WEAR A DIAPER AND WANT TO FUCK YOUR MOTHER

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:19:44 2010 No.959170 >>959131 Whatever dude, you are a snob though, and I do think you hate people from the country. Just basing that on your comments and the tone you have taken up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:20:44 2010 No.959181 >>959161 I submit 100 Years of Solitude to the jury.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:21:44 2010 No.959184 >>959181 Not Fantasy

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:21:44 2010 No.959186 >>959161 HE'S NOT CAPSGUY BY THE WAY.

Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:21:44 2010 No.959187

>>959181
SHUT UP MANCHILD THAT BOOK IS IN FUCKING SPANISH OR SOMETHING THE LANGUAGE OF FUCKING BABIES. DONT MAKE ME LAUGH I DO FUCKING IRON PUMP RIPS AND AM RIPPED, ALSO MENTALLY SMART AND MATURE AND HAVE SEX, NOT LIKE YOU LITTLE MANCHILDREN. I READ FUCKING GOOD BOOKS LIKE FUCKING CATCH 22 AND SHIT AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:22:44 2010 No.959190 >>959187 AND NEITHER IS HE.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:23:44 2010 No.959195 >>959186 >>959190 Yeah, don't worry, I didn't think so

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:24:44 2010 No.959207 >>959181 magical-realism is not fantasy plebeian

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:25:44 2010 No.959212 You know what I hate? Opinions. Fuck this thread. You guys make /b/ look civilized.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:27:44 2010 No.959220 >>959212 Best post so far in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:27:44 2010 No.959221 I'ma gonna post that fantasy list what includes Lord Dunsany and Mervyn Peake alongside contemporary hacks yessir

Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:27:44 2010 No.959225
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>>959212
>YOU DISAGREE WITH MY OPINIONS
>I HATE U

>>959148
You know what? You're obviously too angry and jilted to argue properly. Not even going to bother with your dumb ass anymore child. Don't post because I shall not deign to answer you.

Children these days, goddamn.

Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:30:44 2010 No.959237

>>959170

No, you're basing that on your own stupidity. My tone has been the tone of someone patiently swatting away the nonsense of a single-issue troll. You've not made any attempt to discuss the books, it's just been this push-me-pull you crap. If you want to imagine you're defending a 'real guy' from a snob, fine - the reality is exactly the opposite. I'm a real person, from the country, tired of professional rustics like McCarthy and their transparent use of the delusions of metropolitan critics for their own careerist ends. If you want to go on thinking that being able to gut a fish or change a fuse is somehow holy, knock yourself out.

I'm done.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:31:44 2010 No.959244 >>959225 so do you actually post on sa or are you just biting the smugdog image (which is played out btw)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:31:44 2010 No.959246 >>959207 This is true.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:34:44 2010 No.959258 >>959225 You can't argue worth a shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:34:44 2010 No.959264 >>959258 >>959244 what part of not answering your posts do you fgts not get

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:36:44 2010 No.959274 I read this thread and I regret it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:36:44 2010 No.959275 >>959244 lol goons xD... GOONS! hahaha

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:37:44 2010 No.959279 >>959225 Except if you are you you just answered therefore you are the academic equivalent of "fuckwit"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:39:44 2010 No.959288 >>959244 Yes. And I know who you are. And I'm going to tell those fags that you post here, on fucking 4chan. Your posting career is over, nigger.

Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:39:44 2010 No.959289

I was going to refute you and then I realized that I had listed two British authors (Ian McEwan, David Mitchell) and a Canadian (Margret Atwood). Really what the fuck happened to American authors.

But overall literature has vastly improved since the days of Herman Melville.

Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:41:44 2010 No.959297

>>959237
>tired of professional rustics like McCarthy and their transparent use of the delusions of metropolitan critics for their own careerist ends

Man, who's full of shit? You obviously don't know anything about Cormac McCarthy's career or personal life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:42:44 2010 No.959301 >>959289 You were going to use Margret Atwood? Man..

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:42:44 2010 No.959303 >>959279Except if you are you you just answered therefore you what the fuck are you trying to say >are the academic equivalent of "fuckwit" no sir, that horrid mess of a sentence points to you as being the only fuckwit in this thread fuckwit

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:43:44 2010 No.959309 Blind Assassin? Defiantly a lot better than Moby-Dick.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:44:44 2010 No.959319 >>959309 This is the state of /lit/...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:46:44 2010 No.959325 >>959303 Horrid mess of a sentence or creative writing so remarkable you are dumbfounded by my ingenuity and can't think of a proper response?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:47:44 2010 No.959330 File: 23 KB, 170x239, cover3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Posting more good American lit. .....(argumentative faggots)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:47:44 2010 No.959331 >>959303 Also I must congratulate you on color coating my text, it must be easier for you to understand. Lord knows quotation marks would only make things more difficult for you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:50:44 2010 No.959345 >>959330 The greatest writer in American literature in my opinion, and the greatest stream of consciousness writer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:51:44 2010 No.959349 >>959297 > implying McCarthy isn't a phoney

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:52:44 2010 No.959353 File: 16 KB, 200x250, guide_operationshylock.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>959345 Agreed. Roth does the stream well also. Here's another good one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:54:44 2010 No.959365 File: 30 KB, 324x500, infinite-jest.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The only book from the last 15 years that I've read that is truly worthy of Guile's theme.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:54:44 2010 No.959368 >>959353 Roth is shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:55:44 2010 No.959375 >>959365 A very flawed book, redeemed perhaps only by his suicide, his one great artistic act.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:56:44 2010 No.959381 >>958855 Huxley couldn't write for shit, but he had better concepts than Orwell

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:56:44 2010 No.959384 >>959368 I thought he would be too. I read Everyman though. Good stuff, you should check it out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:57:44 2010 No.959385 >>959375 6/10, feeling the rage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:57:44 2010 No.959386 >>959375 5/10 because I loled

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:57:44 2010 No.959387 What I have learned from this thread: Every author sucks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:58:44 2010 No.959390 >>959288 noooooooo all my internet cred

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 00:59:44 2010 No.959393 >>959390 lost... in time... like tears... in rain

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:00:44 2010 No.959400 >>959384 I read it, he's shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:01:44 2010 No.959403 >>959381 Huxley's the better writer too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:02:44 2010 No.959406 >>959385 It's true, though. >>959386 So you should, it's a great joke on the fad of postmodernism - finally, David Foster Wallace GOT high seriousness.

Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:03:44 2010 No.959408

>>959319
You act like its a good thing to hate everything modern just because it isn't old enough to be considered a "classic" and thus give you reason too feel a false sense of intellectual superiority. A feeling that is based upon a preconceived notion of being cultured that removes any kind of personal enrichment for ones stake, and instead replaces it with the desire to appear more intellectual than others in your social circle.

Judge on quality. One book contains enthralling descriptions of familial relations in a bourgeoisie Canadian household, an innovative narrative style, and subtle tensions. The other contains tedious descriptions of whaling.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:03:44 2010 No.959410 File: 38 KB, 400x400, morgan freeman invalid argument.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>959403

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:05:44 2010 No.959419 >>959410 No, it's true. The person saying Atwood is better than Melville truly begs for the yakklill ah fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck murderson yakulin, YA KULIN.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:07:44 2010 No.959427 >>959419 what the fuck does that mean?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:07:44 2010 No.959431 >>959408 WHY ARE YOU BEGGING LIKE THAAAAAT? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY ARE YOU BEGGING LIKE THAT?!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:08:44 2010 No.959436 >>959427 RRRRRRRRRROBUR ROBAT, ROBUR ROBAR, ADOLF MALELT, BRUMOW ROBAR.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:08:44 2010 No.959437 >>959431 you mad?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:09:44 2010 No.959439 File: 143 KB, 1296x972, 124707076415.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>959437 >>959437 MWIWEJMOIEFOIOJWSIJJWI0JIWEF

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:10:44 2010 No.959447 ya killin the rape is monday, murder murder rapeo FUCKS. The women beg for rape, scratch the men's faces with their car keeeeeys. This is lay YAKILLIN, made to lay the insolent Paki scoundrel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:11:44 2010 No.959451 Atwood is not the superior of Melville. PRICK

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:12:44 2010 No.959455 Come on?!!!!!!!!! WORD OF THE LOIN LORD!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:13:44 2010 No.959457 Yeah, I got pretty angry there. The point is, Atwood is not the superior of Melville, or even the equal, by any means.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:14:44 2010 No.959462 >>959447 Does this make sense to anyone? Is it relevant? >>959451 Have you read both?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:15:44 2010 No.959470 YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF WHINY MANCHILDREN ARGUING WITH EACH OTHER BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES. FUCK ALL OF YOU. GOD.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:17:44 2010 No.959475 >>959462 YES, YOU FUCKING IDIOT. YOU CAN'T STEP TO EVERYONE WITH THAT SHIT, ALRIGHT? SUMMER OR NO SUMMER, THERE ARE SOME REAL READERS HERE WHO WILL CALL YOU ON YOUR BULLSHIT.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:17:44 2010 No.959476 >>959470 we're actually arguing with each other mostly because some people are really fucking committed to turning this shit into /mu/ and thus are trolling the FUCK out of /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:18:44 2010 No.959480 >>959462 It means exactly what it says.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:18:44 2010 No.959486 >>959476 NO NO NO NO, I'm here to discuss LITERATURE, and I refuse to stand idly by while CRUD is extolled.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:18:44 2010 No.959488 I am disappointed, /lit/ - I come in here looking for discussion of literature and instead I get a bunch of trolling and name calling.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:19:44 2010 No.959489 the L in twilight looks like a dildo

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:20:44 2010 No.959493 >>959489 YOU WIN AN INTERNET.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:20:44 2010 No.959497 >>959488 I want to discuss literature too. We need a crusade against shit-likers.

Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:24:44 2010 No.959515

>>959475
he mad.

I read both and I disagree, thus as a

> REAL READER

I'm here to call you out on your bullshit because thats what your opinion is too me too good sir. But in reality there is no reason to get so angry over an internet argument over taste, especially one were you can't point out any reason why Melville is better than Atwood.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:25:44 2010 No.959518 So yeah, in conclusion - Twilight's an example of something that didn't happen in Melville's time, so it's not a fair comparison, and the works of Vonnegut and McCarthy aren't good enough to rank with our very best. Goodnight everyone.

Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:31:44 2010 No.959551

>>959515

The reason why is simple - you never asked for one before.

Melville invented something, taking a tremendous risk. He was what Burroughs called a 'verbal inventor', that is, taking the novel as a category of discourse, ie. speech, he said things that hadn't been said before with a formal (not neccesarily linguistic) language he invented for the purpose. The role of the American wrtiter of high rank is above all to invent new forms for his or her feelings. American novelists at their best make it new. The Canadian writer Margaret Atwood is just a master of existing forms handed down to her. Something can be well-done of its type and still be uninspiring, and for me Atwood's characters are so anemic and pro forma, shaped exclusively for functionality, that I throw the book aside in disgust.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:33:44 2010 No.959559 >>959551 Woooo! Applause

Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:33:44 2010 No.959561

CONTINUED

Because I have no interest in examples of a skill mastered - because I require of a great writer that the book is MADE like a sculpture, with no feature that does not seem as if it couldn't have been otherwise, Atwood fills me with a sense of claustrophobia. She seems to write merely to pass the time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:35:44 2010 No.959568 >>959559 You dredge everything to a base level.

Anonymous TheZachadoodle Sat Jul 24 01:42:44 2010 No.959605
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*Fuck Twilight

Phillip K Dick has made his unknown works permanent for wanna be movie makers like myself. Example: look at Blade Runner and probably A Scanner Darkly (Well some of you did not like that movie).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:44:44 2010 No.959609 >>959605 I didn't like Blade Runner, the design was great but the director seemed compositionally indecisive. A Scanner Darkly is excellent.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat Jul 24 01:44:44 2010 No.959610
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My favorite American writer is Shakespearicles, the strongest writer ever.

He invented the rocket launcher, possessed an unparalleled grasp of language, and could bench press 700 British Pounds.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:45:44 2010 No.959613 >>959610 You dredge everything to the basest level when it comes to a serious discussion.

>>	Anonymous TheZachadoodle Sat Jul 24 01:46:44 2010 No.959615 >>959613 No he did not.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat Jul 24 01:47:44 2010 No.959616 >>959613 >serious discussion >twilight Yeah.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:48:44 2010 No.959620 >>959616 Notice what happens above? I address another's question, and there's no reply, because there was nothing legitimate in my interlocutor's pretenses.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:48:44 2010 No.959621 File: 32 KB, 400x600, TwilightandPhilosophy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>959616

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 01:49:44 2010 No.959627 >>959620 Well how do you know she's not typing up a big multi-post response in notepad right now

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat Jul 24 01:50:44 2010 No.959632 >>959621 How could this happen

Anonymous Sat Jul 24 02:01:44 2010 No.959685

>>959551
I agree in Melville’s importance as a “verbal inventor.” However, I’d like to point out that the topic of discussion here, we are not debating which author had bigger and more influence on the rest of literature as a whole instead we are discussing the quality of the two books. This idea of better quality does not stem from how it implements a new but instead how it can be judged empirically. My favorite author, Joyce was not the best because of how he pioneered stream of consciousness, but because his novels were the best and remain the best at implanting it. I am not debating that Melville is the more influential author, just that the book is worse at entertaining (literatures primary focus).
Second you present the idea that the blind assassin is bad because it drew upon previous narrative styles. However, mastery also expresses itself in how one can earlier techniques, and creates something new and better. An example would be in cooking, when master chefs return to make a basic egg dish. That is exactly what Atwood did, she took previous narrative ideas of nested stories and wove a tale that holds ones attention throughout.
However, I think our disagreement comes from what attracts us when we read novels. I like interesting narrative styles, emphasizing the way the story is told. This attraction is why I like Joyce, David Mitchell and Atwood. I found Moby-Dick’s descriptions at time to long and boring, they were like the Ian McEwan’s description of surgery in Saturday except even more mundane.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 02:03:44 2010 No.959699 >>959685 Gah, I typed to quickly too many typos please forgive me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 02:09:44 2010 No.959733 >>959489 lol

>>	Anonymous TheZachadoodle Sat Jul 24 02:27:44 2010 No.959817 >>959489 Haha, well the w looks like a vagina...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 24 06:24:44 2010 No.960441 >>959331 ...but they serve the same damned purpose. Man. resulting to petty insults when they have nothing to say. What a bitter little child.

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