Iron Pill Reading

[Anonymous No.9484647]

Any recommended reading for someone looking to walk the path of the Iron Pill? I know Evola get's thrown around a lot, but I honestly hated Revolt.

Also, I'd like help pinning down exactly what is degeneracy and what its opposite would be.

[Anonymous No.9484697]

>>9484647
Twilight of the Idols

Storm of Steel

According to Der Antichrist, degeneracy is when an animal, a species, an individual loses its instincts, when it chooses, when it prefers what is harmful to it (section 6).

[Anonymous No.9484702]

gay porn mags

[Anonymous No.9484709]

>>9484647
Eminen is a fucking whigger.
Why do people like this wannabe stupid cunt?

[Anonymous No.9484717]

>>9484647

[Anonymous No.9484719]

>>9484717
good one aids ridden queer

[Anonymous No.9484723]

>>9484719
you maent too reply too OP with that post but you typed the wrong number lole

[Anonymous No.9484728]

>>9484723
>being bald
>and a fag

[Anonymous No.9484783]

>>9484697
Haven't read much Nietzsche outside of Zarathustra and Genealogy, I'll need to take a look at Twilight.
I can see turning against your own instincts as degeneracy, but decadence is clearly degenerate and decadence is just giving in to your base instincts more than you should. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.9484791]

>>9484717
I have to admit I know nothing of Foucault (although I do know how the name is pronounced at least). Why is his book on ethics preferable to anyone else's?

[Anonymous No.9484808]

>>9484783
That depends on what sort of instincts you have, doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.9484817]

>Iron pill

[Anonymous No.9484822]

>>9484808
Well a person who didn't have the instinct/will toward pleasure wouldn't engage in decadence, but decadence would always be a case of giving in to your instincts. I may just have an oddly vague but nuanced idea of degeneracy, though. I can point it out (sometimes) but I can't define it.

[Anonymous No.9484823]

[Anonymous No.9484825]

>>9484817
Hey, the image did say
>(no homo)

[Anonymous No.9484838]

>>9484647
The opposite of degeneracy is raising a healthy, well-adjusted family.

[Anonymous No.9484849]

>>9484838
The opposite of degeneracy is black holing this site in your hosts file and never coming back

[Anonymous No.9484855]

>>9484849
truth

[Anonymous No.9484872]

>>9484849
>>9484855
no significant society has ever gown to prominence that did not take the family as its basic unit of structure.

anti-family rhetoric and lifestyles lead to the death of nations - it "degenerates" societies.

[Anonymous No.9484877]

>>9484838
>implying poltards are ever going to do that

[Anonymous No.9484886]

>>9484872
So does spending excessive time on a website which has the main gimmick of stripping you of your identity.

If you actually believed what you claim to, you'd leave.

[Anonymous No.9484890]

>>9484783
your base desires aren't your instincts. Even the biggest hedonist, I imagine, still feels a twinge of instinctual guilt in his foray into pleasure.

Instincts are staying alive, finding a wife, making children, defending them in battle, hard work to maintain the home

[Anonymous No.9484900]

>>9484647

Degeneracy is favoring chaos over order, to such an extent where you're a slave to the passions, that your body is weak and deformed, that your mind is slow and unrefined, that your relationships are toxic and unfulfilling, that your time is wasted to the point where you have none of it when you need it, that your morals are twisted if you even stick to your principles at all, and that your overall well-being needlessly suffers until you die in utter mediocrity and misery without any meaningful legacy to speak of. It's a vicious cycle as well, since the more degenerate you become, the less you care about yourself, so it becomes harder to even recognize the destruction that you're wreaking upon yourself and others, let alone start taking concrete steps to help yourself.

Degeneracy is disease where you allow yourself to waste away. Don't ever get yourself or your friends get inculcated into the habit of it.

[Anonymous No.9484902]

>>9484717
>Foucault
>Manly iron pill
Frankly not quite.

[Anonymous No.9484907]

>>9484902
>he doesn't want to understand how real power works
you're not ready

[Anonymous No.9484908]

>>9484902
Wrongo

[Anonymous No.9484912]

>>9484886
Well, the Evolian perspective is that individuality is highly overrated. Instead of leveling yourself to a member of the herd in exchange for some distinguishing accouterments, you'd be better off sacrificing your individuality in pursuit of an ideal. We can all work towards becoming a shared archetype. It's better to be a heroic caricature than a novel degenerate.

[Anonymous No.9484915]

>>9484900

Another way to look at degeneracy and degenerates: what is the opposite? "Generacy" and "Generates"? Sounds like people who contribute to the world instead of taking away from it. And it makes sense why self-care, in maintaining discipline in your health and in your actions, is important for avoiding degeneracy. If you're just a walking litany of problems, then you're sucking resources from outside the world. Don't willfully create problems and contribute further to the entropic heat death of the universe.

[Anonymous No.9484916]

>>9484838
Not true at all actually.

[Anonymous No.9484921]

>>9484900
>>9484915
Screencapped friends, this is exactly what I was looking for.

[Anonymous No.9484922]

Whoever drew Iron Pill is gay af.

It's practically Tom of Finland.

[Anonymous No.9484930]

>>9484647

[Anonymous No.9484945]

>>9484916
>not having children

[Anonymous No.9484955]

>>9484916
convincing argument wow

[Anonymous No.9484968]

>>9484886
>So does spending excessive time on a website which has the main gimmick of stripping you of your identity.
there is no historical evidence of this, you are just mad

[Anonymous No.9484981]

>>9484930
Allow me to retort

[Anonymous No.9485002]

>>9484647
Try Men Amongst The Ruins and Ride The Tiger. Evola is GOAT.

[Anonymous No.9485047]

>>9485002
I actually read Men Amongst the Ruins and loved it. Unfortunately, Evola's principles and ethical prescriptions are all grounded in his metaphysical model as represented in Revolt - a model, which I find to be deeply flawed. And although a shallow predilection for these systems is a good enough reason to start behaving in a certain manner, it's not enough to motivate persistent change. I need to believe that it's true.

[Anonymous No.9485088]

>>9484981
>genocidical finn that dreams about some l33t military that can keep the rest of the world in a pre-industrial state
>"identitarians" fighting against the spook 68-ers
Also, Savitri Devi had a dick.

[Anonymous No.9485092]

>>9485047
>>9485002
Evola a shit. Read Descartes, Leibniz, Hegel Goethe, Nietzsche, Spengler

[Anonymous No.9485143]

>>9485047

Why even think about change when you have skepticism to all countering views of reality? What motivated you to even consider the question?

[Anonymous No.9485160]

>>9484921

Post the screencap please if it's cropped well.

[Anonymous No.9485170]

>>9485160
Post on r/4chan!!!

Not cool guys?

[Anonymous No.9485183]

>>9485170

Never said it had to be on plebbit. I'd just like the screencap for future threads. Though you'd probably be doing the plebbitors some good by getting some sense into them.

[Anonymous No.9485203]

>>9485183
I wasn't accusing you of it, was being a foil

[Anonymous No.9485419]

>>9485160
Here you are sir

[Anonymous No.9485599]

Green Pill best pill

[Anonymous No.9485610]

>>9484647
Start with Guenon.

>Crisis of the Modern World
>Reign of Quantity
>Revolt against the modern world\
>Men among the Ruins
>Ride the tiger

If you enjoy you can read stuff like fascism viewed from the right, the cantos (pound), for my legionaries, the biocentric worldview, metaphysics of war, mystery of the grail etc.

[Anonymous No.9485898]

>>9485088
Fuck off, Linkola is based

[Anonymous No.9486335]

>>9485419

Thanks friend

straight to /r/4chan

[Anonymous No.9486350]

>>9484647

In addition to the 12 Iron Pill books (and reading more from those authors), I'd suggest Growth Of The Soil and the Bhagavad Gita.

[Anonymous No.9486387]

>>9484981
Alain de Benoist and Evola are the only ones worth insightful enough to read and even they are meme-y at best.

Krebs and Faye are Nouvelle Droite wackjobs, Donovan is a faggot, Linkola a deranged wannabe hermit and Savitri Devi worships Hitler as the reincarnation of Vishnu. The rest is obscure bullcrap falling short of /pol/ "writers" like Lauren Southern and Mike Cernovich.

In short: a very, very terrible selection.

[Anonymous No.9486450]

>>9486387
Do you recommend any alternatives?

[Anonymous No.9486479]

what's this iron pill meme? another hopeful pop at traditionalism?

>>9484783
you've read Genealogy but not Antichrist? how did you manage that? that's like reading Tractatus and not Investigations

>>9485092
eh, Evola's idea of race is really interesting. and if you're recommending Descartes instead of Evola it really sounds like you're not sure what conversation you're having

[Anonymous No.9486480]

>>9486387
I've never seen anyone seriously engage with De Benoist s work more than "metapolitics, we new left now lol". He's much more sober and nuanced than the alt right prefers, he doesn't even take much influence from Evola despite the impression