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Any good books where the character is gay but it is never explicitly stated in the book? Like the author's intention was to write a gay character but included no actual evidence of any homosexual attitudes, actions, or thoughts in the text.

>> No.9450052

>author's intention

Look at this pleb.

>> No.9450055

>>9450047
Harry Potter

>> No.9450057

Moby Dick. The story is literally about one guy lusting after another. Also his name is pretty homo desu

>> No.9450066

Portrait of Dorian Grey

>> No.9450077

>>9450047
Kafka - The trail

J.'s trail is actually refers to his own homosexuality, and how society/government persecutes him for expressing his aberrant sexuality and his lack of conformity

>tip: that's why he has all these episodes about suffocating inside (he's trying to conform), and why he refuses the advances of his female neighbour

>> No.9450082

Bible

>> No.9450103

>>9450077
nigga he fucks Leni and loves it

It's more about kabbalah than anything

>> No.9450104

>>9450066
I came here to post this

>> No.9450117

>>9450047
your diary

>> No.9450121

The best you'll get is ambiguous homo shit like A Separate Peace.

>> No.9450133

I once wrote an entire novella based around a character who had attempted suicide and damaged the tendons in his right arm but there was never a natural moment to mention it so he goes the entire story semi-crippled without the reader ever finding out. It's a first-person narrative and the character is used to it so it just never comes up.
Of course that is irrelevant to this thread given the gay orgy scene in a Finnish bath house but I am picking up what you're putting down so to speak.

>> No.9450169

>>9450047
The Hollow Needle by LeBlanc
I'm not even fucking kidding. At one point, I flipped the book around and reread the synopsis, because I was convinced that I'd missed something. Exceedingly gay.

>> No.9450182

>>9450047
>Like the author's intention was to write a gay character but included no actual evidence of any homosexual attitudes, actions, or thoughts in the text.
What the fuck does this mean? you wouldn't even be able to write a straight character this way. By evidence do you mean any kind of conscious "trace" or just explicit statement of sexual habit or predilection? If you had that in mind even in the faintest sense it would probably make its mark somehow on the overall characterisation unconsciously.

Unless it's completely naturally emerging it seems like just a strange political novelty. when constructing a character the nature of their sexuality is going to be quite a big part of that, and while there's many circumstances where you would not positively mention it at all, it seems very unnatural to somehow excoriate all evidence of it, by sifting through and destroying all unconsciously projected overtones and undertones

>> No.9450189

Death in Venice

>> No.9450205

>>9450117
desu

>> No.9450213

>>9450047
The Gospel of John.

>> No.9450219

Confessions of a Mask (though the protagonists fascination with men is strongly emphasized)

>> No.9450240

>>9450066

OP, how did this not come to mind?

>> No.9450325

>>9450047
Confessions of a mask I guess.

>> No.9450379

Maybe In Search of Lost Time, Proust was probably gay and his critique of homosexuality and women was really implicitly gay

>> No.9450702

No one has mentioned Gatsby. Or is it too explicitly mentioned?

>> No.9450814

Catch Him in the Rye

>> No.9450864

Dorian Grey

>> No.9450991

In Cold Blood

>> No.9451008

Brideshead Revisited

>> No.9451037

>>9450103
dude it's about how his father never loved him

>> No.9451142

>>9450055
This. He married the man-faced red headed sister of his best red headed friend.

>> No.9451146

symposium by plato

>> No.9451156
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>>9450052
>i get to make up whatever i want and the author has no say because college professors told me so

Look at this pleb.

>> No.9451348

Try Mishima's immanently gay narration

>> No.9451677

The catch 22 here is that you literally cannot write a gay character with announcing so, either directly or through action, because without something to announce sexuality it's just an identity title for people to interpret and as such, intrinsically meaningless.

>> No.9451684

>>9451348
It's not gay, it's just ripped naked guys killings themselves and ejaculating

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Trainspotting's Begbie. Irvine Welsh imagined him as a repressed homosexual, while for the film Rob Carlyle did so too. Incidentally so, apparently.

>> No.9452014

>>9451677
Speaking of catch 22
>tfw finding out Colonel Korn is black after several hundred pages of imagining him white.

>> No.9452345

>>9450047
Idk about books, but the villain of the James Bond movie Skyfall was gay and it was never addressed. Just implied.

>> No.9452546
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>>9451156
>I haven't even bothered to read the five pages of Barthes it would take to understand the argument and therefore assume it derives from authority

>> No.9452585
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9452585

all of gore vidal's shit the fucking queer

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>>9450219

he literally jerks off to a dude r u kidding me

>> No.9452772

>>9450189
he is not only gay but a pedophile too. and its not even subtle.

>> No.9452797

>>9450047

I read 2010 recently, and there is a veeeery vague suggestion of gay/bisexual encounters on board the ship.

>> No.9452804

The Pupil by Henry James is like this iirc. It's a short story though.

>> No.9452854

>>9450702
Nick Carraway doesn't even do anything overtly homo other than be an older guy who isn't married and kind of reject the advances of vacuous and shallow women.
So basically he's a /lit/ poster.

>> No.9452887

Vautrin in some Balzac novel, no one noticed at the time supposedly

>> No.9452900

>>9451156
>Hermione was black and Dumbledore was gay
protip: no

>>9452887
Well, he does bring a guy into his bedroom in Pere Goriot...

>> No.9452923

Just about ANY Horacio Hornblower novel.

>> No.9453077

>>9451677
so you can't write a straight character either?

>> No.9453081

>>9452585
apart from the City and the Pillar.

>> No.9453089

>>9452900
Hermione being black is obviously revisionary (and also contradicted by the text), but isn't Dumbledore being gay hinted at in the books? Or, at least, Rowling clarified it pretty closely after the fact, I thought

>> No.9453091

>>9453077
Nope. Sexuality is defined by words and actions. Without them you cannot impart that trait to a character meaningfully.

>> No.9453349

Billy Budd by Herman Melville.

>> No.9453360

The Great Gatsby.

Seriously.

>> No.9453665

>>9450047
Goodbye to Berlin

>> No.9454101
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>>9450047
Basil and Lord Henry in Dorian Gray?

>> No.9454103

>>9450047
Not as many as the good books where a character is straight but it is never explicitly stated.

>> No.9454105

>>9450066
>>9454101
Damn saw this after posting. Definitely lots of homoeroticism in Dorian Gray but none of the characters are explicitly gay afaik.

>> No.9454120

Anything by DH Lawrence. That guy was a closet faggot for sure.