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Why don't philosophers/intellectuals dare to tackle the racial issues of western countries?
The debates end up being very lowbrow, because they're left to either SJWs or /pol/tards.

Of course inter-continental migrations themselves are not a new thing, but the scale and speed at which they have been happening recently is quite unprecedented.

>> No.9313661

not literature

>> No.9313670

>>9313657
uhhhh because they're all white? is this a rhetorical question?

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>>9313657
One of the greatest contemporary novels of the last two years deals directly with that issues. As far as african american criminality and cultural degeneracy, it is due to barriers thrown up at the publishing level (and the fact that racialism doesnt sell with white moms).

>> No.9313686

>>9313657
Zizek does all the time

>> No.9313697

>>9313686
Zizek has said absolutely nothing insightful about this issue. He's just repeating the mainstream position with some common sense ("we have to accept them, but they're not angels").

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>>9313697

>> No.9313712

>>9313670
I know you're probably sarcastic (can't tell on this board), but it's exactly because they're "white" that they should speak about it. "Racial immigration" is mostly happening in white-majority countries.

>>9313684
Which novel is that?

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9313721

it is pretty popular here.

I think the reason it succeeds so well is that it doesnt lean on tired racial rhetoric, but places the blame squarely upon the moral emptiness and degeneracy of western secularism. I actually became more involved with my church after reading it, and I definitely became more critical of the left.

>> No.9313805

>>9313712
You can't talk about things like that without being ostracized these days. I am not a white supremacist in any way and even I can't wait for the day white people stop being slaves to their stupid egalitarian ethics.

>> No.9313897

>>9313657
It comes up occasionally, but anybody willing to try has to be willing to be labelled 100% certified shitlord for the rest of their lives. For some reason French men seem to be the most willing. 'The Camp of the Saints' and 'Submission' are what you want. Camp of the Saints is probably the most depressing thing I've ever read.

>> No.9313902

>>9313657
The ONLY solution is birth control in every country. Otherwise, we're fucked.

>> No.9313946

it's shit because it comes from a position of weakness t.neet-chan

>> No.9313987

>Blah blah blah......I have an agenda with a vague connection to literature

houellebecq's been doing it for nearly two decades.

"The problem now - and it was a new one for me - was my dick. In the seventies nobody really cared how big their dick was. I don't know who started it - queers probably, though you find allot of it in American cop shows, but there's no mention of it in Sartre. Whatever, in the showers at the gym I realised I had a really small dick. It was around about then that I started hating blacks"

He's got some real gems

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They do. It's just that racism is such a hot-button topic that people form up mobs and shout down speakers rather than listen to what they're saying and draw their own conclusions.

>> No.9314305

>>9313657
Aristotle covers it extensively in Politics.

>> No.9314331

Race is irrelevant.

>> No.9314373

>>9313987
lmao direct me to that book

>> No.9314398

>How to sell books 101: don't talk about anything the Western middle class doesn't like

Unless you're Houellebecq, who got lucky early on and now has a niche for being 'that guy'

>> No.9314416

>>9314373
Atomised

>> No.9314602

i wish the /pol/ navy was real

imagine a couple of dudes who did starting strength rowing around in triremes and shooting holes in migrant ships with nuggets

>> No.9314634

>>9313657
Every time some intellectual tries to offer even a slightly critical approach to the migration issue, there's a shitstorm against him. For example, Zizek.

So most criticism comes from people with no intellectual merits to begin with.

>> No.9314638

>>9313712
>Which novel is that?
>>9313721

>> No.9314664

>>9314398
he's iggy pop's favourite author

just in case you need to justify your interest in H-Becq to a libtard

>> No.9314700

>>9314331
spotted the nigger

>> No.9314759

>>9313657
philosophers are nothing more than philosophy historians nowadays
the only outspoken academics we hear from are sociologists

>> No.9314834

>>9314700
A nigger would be the first to yell about race. The real source of division in society is power.

>> No.9314905

>>9314834
Spotted the commie.

>> No.9314921

>>9314700

lmfao I bet your necks a twig

>> No.9314925

>>9314834
spotted the jew

>> No.9314930

>>9314921
>implying he has a neck

>> No.9314933

>>9314834
spotted a power plant

>> No.9314938

>>9314905

youre an idiot. power is the focus of the structuralist movement.

>> No.9314949

>>9313657
Large parts of the "reactionary" philosophers are Catholic or influenced by Catholic thought.
Catholicism explicitly rejects race as a category of importance. Therefor the brightes of the right don't care about it.

>> No.9314950

>>9313657
Spending time discussing non-ecological political issues isn't pragmatic tbqhwu from my pov

>> No.9314991

>>9314938
t. buttmad structural Marxist

>> No.9315010

>>9314949
>cucktholicism
dude I'm not even Anglican but they're the only ones producing anything worthwhile these days. see: John Milbank

>> No.9315021

>>9313712
>"Racial immigration" is mostly happening in white-majority countries.
>mostly

Which are the non-white countries where it's happening? Just curious.

>> No.9315028

>>9315021
China to some extent but they don't take shit
Tribal migration within Africa
South America -> Mexico

>> No.9315033

>>9315028
South America -> Mexico -> USA
You mean.

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>>9313897
>Camp of the Saints is probably the most depressing thing I've ever read.

Raspail has said his inspiration came while at the French Riviera in 1971, as he was looking out at the Mediterranean.

“What if they were to come? I did not know who "they" were, but it seemed inevitable to me that the numberless disinherited people of the South would, like a tidal wave, set sail one day for this opulent shore, our fortunate country’s wide-gaping frontier."

>> No.9315060

>>9315033
yeah but they were excluding white countries

inb4
>usa
>white

>> No.9315063

They feel no need to... says a lot about your philosophers huh? I'll take a whack at it: Evolutionists believe in eugenics, Christians believe in the tower of babel: I believe in the soul, and the body is just a vessel. Does a black man have a black soul? White on white? The mind works how it works. On the inside, the mind is all the same color....but yet those two groups there will continually perpetuate racism, and blame one another. When it's not one, it's the other, and when one does it, the other acts innocent. I believe in the bible, but the tower thing I believe we should put behind us, especially since we were all the same race beforehand. A culture is different then a race.

>> No.9315066

>>9315052
>Raspail has said his inspiration came while at the French Riviera in 1971
lmfao they had already come by then....

>> No.9315077

>>9313661
This, it's more of a humanities question

>> No.9315093

>>>/his/
>>>/pol/

>> No.9315111

>>9315093
I get so tired of the plebbiters who come to /lit/ and think philosophy has no place here. This is the philosophy board, if you want to make a thousand threads about ASOIAF gb2 r/books

>> No.9315134

>>9315111
>and think philosophy has no place here. This is the philosophy board
it doesn't and it isn't

/lit/ - literature
take your pop-thinking somewhere else

>> No.9315151

more workers

more taxes

wealthier countries

....tribal bias, the point OP heads toward, is non-sequitur in the ruling of the upper realms.

A worker of a different race is worth much more to the government and people than racist ideals.

>> No.9315155

>>9315134
>/lit/ - literature
>wtf why isn't every single thread about literature?
>/int/ - international
>wtf why isn't every single thread about countries?
>/r9k/ - robot9000(+1)
>wtf why isn't every single thread about 9000(+1) robots?
Take your autism elsewhere.

>> No.9315196

>>9315134
Read the sticky before you go back to the subreddit of your choice.

>> No.9315229

>>9315134
you have to go back

>> No.9315250

>>9313902
I disagree, anon.
Almost all countries are around replacement level, if not under it.
Only Africa has excessive growth rates.

>> No.9315251

>>9315196
>>9315229

Check out these guys, making America great again.

lol.

>> No.9315261

>>9315251
>it was her turn :^(

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>>9315151
>what is good for people with economic interests is ultimately good for the people

>> No.9315396

>>9315379

Yeah, pretty much.

Taxes man. Keep a society healthy and afloat.

Richer country, better military, less chance of invasion from tyrants. Democracy requires equality and fair treatment for all contributors to the nation.

Otherwise the nation falls to corruption, and again, liable to invasions from tyrants.

>> No.9315474

>>9315396
You seem deluded into thinking the current system is something we must continue with
>tribal bias (...) is non-sequitur
This is a good thing
Although not "tribal bias", this implies it should be enforced and artificial rather than being naturally induced again

>> No.9315535

>>9315010
thanks for the rec sir

>> No.9315731

>>9315474

Taxes are good

Equality as proponent of age old rule of law within civilized nations.

Which part do you have a problem with?

>> No.9315750

>>9315151
most "workers" don't actually produce anything these days. most jobs are a form of welfare. so no, more workers does not equal a wealthier country

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>> No.9315761

>>9315731
>civilized
this

>> No.9315767

>>9313987
he's definitely /ourguy/

>> No.9315773

>>9314634
zizek was called a neo-nazi when he said the migration probably wasn't 100% good

>> No.9315783

>>9315250
I used to think the more the merrier, but nowadays I'm more of a quality over quantity guy.
Europe is already too densely populated for my taste.

>> No.9315796

>>9315783
Which is why we need an economic collapse to filter out the trash

>> No.9315800

>>9315151
did you just imply that migrants with little to no education, that can't even read or write in their own language, are able to find a job in a competitive job market?

>> No.9315813

>>9314634
You also have to consider that the European Right has had almost not academic backing in the past 50-60 years, and thus no immediate intellectual tradition to look to and develop. All it has are timeless or very old things like vague ideas of tribalism, the nation and the family.

Right-Wing politics stopped being dynamic after fascism, if you exclude their temporary marriage with Neoliberal economics (which didn't happen everywhere)

>> No.9315828

"Diversity is good" has become axiomatic in our society. You're not allowed to question that anymore.

>> No.9315843

>>9315813
To add to that, what this means is that in opposing mass immigration, all it can put forth are ideas and concepts that have long been the targets of leftist theory and academia, and the ideas and ways that leftists attack right-wing opposition to this stuff has, in many places, been completely accepted into middle-class discourse (anti-racism, support for socialism or some vague reduced form of it, feminism, pacifism, tolerance, diversity).
There are barely any influential right-wing thinkers (I can only think of Sloterdijk right now), and it seems to me like there's no place at universities for them anyways.

>> No.9315849

>>9313657

>race exists

Literally a social construct. Kill yourself.

>> No.9315860

>>9315849
I can't even tell if people are serious when they say this because people actually believe it.

>> No.9315863

>>9315800

No. From a historical point of view, I'm saying diversity in a nation has benefitted your nation more than you realize or care to give credit for.


Re your issue. If that's your biggest issue, you're talking first generation migrants whose children will be educated by the nation - they'd have a chance as any other, they'd pay taxes, some would have a better job than you and would pay more taxes than you (they'd contribute to your society better than you - yet, even if you couldn't do their job or match their contribution, you'd still complain)

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>>9315828
>tfw looking forward to the forced miscegenation procreation orgies
I can't wait to muddy my white seed

>> No.9315867

>>9315849
>social constructs don't exist

>> No.9315871

>>9315863
Everyone knows the 10+ children of unemployed illiterate immigrants grow up to be well raised and even MORE productive members of society than the native alternative. Good catch anon.

>> No.9315873

>>9315863
>Roman Empire becomes multicultural shithole
>collapses
really made me think...

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>>9315860
>>9315867

>> No.9315878

>>9315865
>tfw Slavoj will die in the 2020's and will not be there to comment on the further degradation of western civizilation

>> No.9315879

>>9315876
Biology is a spook now?

>> No.9315880

>>9315873

That isn't at all why Rome collapsed, you dumb fuck. They were doing fine with all that "SHITTY MULTICULTURE!!!!!!!!! NIGGERS REEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!"

You're a fucking moron and Decline of the West is a shit book.

>> No.9315884

>>9315876
>anti-racist Stirnerite

literally the bargain bin of history

>> No.9315885

>>9315863
that has not really been the case where i'm from, most criminal gangs consists of second gen immigrants (the gangs have also become more violent), and most people joining isis has also been second gen immigrants.

>> No.9315886

>>9315863
>you're talking first generation migrants whose children will be educated by the nation -
Schools don't raise children. It's ridiculous to suggest integration occurs over 1 generation.

>> No.9315888

>>9315880
>tribal Africans: rich ancestry and culture, pleasant people
>second generation african immigrants in the west: *crime rate here*

>> No.9315890

>>9315860
It's true though.
The only people who believe that race is more important than things like socio-economic status are whites who failed at life.

>> No.9315892

>>9313657
>the racial issues of western countries?
Which are?...

>> No.9315904

>>9315888
any poor area has a high crime rate dumbfuck

>> No.9315911

>>9315783
> quality over quantity
That's exactly what I meant.
There should be less niggers, and more Europeans.

>> No.9315915

>>9315890
>>9315890
>It's true though.
>The only people who believe that race is more important than things like socio-economic status are whites who failed at life.
>https://youtu.be/MLp7vWB0TeY
10:40

>> No.9315916

>>9314933

Giggled to this.

>> No.9315923

>>9315915
>responds with a video
>peterson video
you can't even argue on your own?
unsurprisingly you're a braindead dumbfuck who worships peterson.

>> No.9315924

>>9315871
>>9315873
>>9315885
>>9315886

No real basis for discussion here. Just wild conjecture and hearsay of an echo chamber with sadly no intelligence to crawl out of the shallow beliefs fuelled by fear.

>> No.9315929

>>9315924
you'll realize reality eventually too

>> No.9315932

>>9315904
Which is why impoverished whites and SE asians commit less crime in the same areas, right?

>> No.9315934

>>9315924
>fuelled by fear
I'm not even white

>> No.9315952

>>9315932
>implying poor whites/asians are as poor as blacks
>implying they all live in the same area
where? show me the places.
you won't because it doesn't fucking exist.

>> No.9315980

>>9315929

I realize hypocrisy and ignorance.

>> No.9315987

>>9315923
>can't argue Peterson's point
>personal attacks instead while complaining about the quality of argumentation
ok

>> No.9315992

>>9315952
Take New York City for example, groups of people of varying races who occupy the same economic bracket don't commit crimes at the same frequency.

>> No.9316001

>>9315987
what's it like to have your brain cucked?

>> No.9316017

>>9316001

Are you asking yourself?

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>>9315952

>> No.9316035

>>9315992
NYC has the lowest rate of burglary and relatively a pretty low crime rate.
Again, if you think poor blacks are poorer than poor whites/asians you're just wrong.

>> No.9316047

>>9316035

Shouldn't you call Asians yellow or gold if you're separating by skin pigment?

You know, consistency is very intelligent.

>> No.9316049

>>9316035
>NYC has the lowest rate of burglary and relatively a pretty low crime rate.
That's not the point, the point is there IS a disparity in the rates, and the same trend is observed all over.
>>9316035
>Again, if you think poor blacks are poorer than poor whites/asians you're just wrong.
Obfuscating the issue. We're strictly talking about people in the same economic bracket.

>> No.9316050

>>9316017
>that braindead dumbfuck logic
Lmao what? You literally posted the video of someone else to argue.
You're the kind of guy who would let him fuck your girlfriend if he asked you in an eloquent manner.

>> No.9316058

>>9315892
Can you replace a country's population with other peoples without losing anything of value?
Does the ethnic composition of a society have any value/relevance at all?
If not, should we work towards the elimination of ethnic groups and nation states?
Why is it a taboo subject to talk about ethnic groups and their properties and should it remain taboo?

These are questions that are on people's minds and are also implicit in various mainstream political movements.
Yet they never see the light of the day in any serious debate, except on fringe "far right" podcasts.

The "bravest" popular intellectuals can point out the undesirable aspects of Islam, for example. But they don't even dare mention race, except in passing when they repeat the mantra that racial discrimination is evil.

>> No.9316069

>>9316023
>posting a chart even you don't understand
>>9316047
I'm not, that's what they're colloquially referred to as. Should I have said afro-american? Aren't you part of the anti-PC police?
Sad attempt at a jab btw.
>>9316049
You don't think there's a difference between lower class people borderlining on middle class and lower class people borderlining on poverty?

>> No.9316077

>>9316069
>You don't think there's a difference between lower class people borderlining on middle class and lower class people borderlining on poverty?
SAME ECONOMIC BRACKET

They make the same amount of money. There is no difference. Except in the rates of criminality. Why can't you just fucking respond to the prompt directly without trying to pervert it?

>> No.9316080

>>9313697
t. has only a passing pop-oriented understanding of Zizek

>> No.9316088

>>9316069
>implying
It's okay brainlet, stats isn't for everyone

>> No.9316099

>>9316069

Not really a jab, but those terms are reductive and divisive so if you're using them without realising it, your mind is unconsciously affected, and at least It is now brought to your attention.

>> No.9316104

>>9316077
>pervert it
>the prompt
lmao answer the question
>>9316088
explain it then
>>9316099
lmao nice try

>> No.9316114

>>9313657
Well, if you want to "solve" racial issues you first have to stop pushing racial supremacy and respect the right to resources of every ethnic group. These people don't come to the west because the west is great. They come because the west destroyed their civilizations and they realize that to regain access to their stolen resources, they have to enter the west.

To put it in autism terms: you stole my tater tots and my Sonic dvd so now I'm coming to your house to watch Sonic and eat tater tots.

>> No.9316115

>>9316104

You're paranoid man.

>> No.9316117

>>9316080
I'm sorry, but most of Žižek's commentary on current events is passing and pop-oriented.
But feel free to show us where he said anything insightful regarding race and immigration.
I watched his "Big think" video on immigration and everything he said was lazy common sense stuff.

>> No.9316129

>>9316114
This isn't /pol/, m8. You'll have to b8 harder.

>> No.9316130

>>9316115
haha did a black guy fuck your girlfriend?

>> No.9316155

>>9316104
Sig < 0.05 = correlation to frequency

>> No.9316156

>>9316130

Is that your greatest fear or something?

>> No.9316183

>>9316156
Is it yours? :^)
>>9316155
That really explains it.

>> No.9316253

>>9316183

Just strange you brought it up. It's a common fear I've noticed.

>> No.9316282

>>9316253
>It's a common fear I've noticed.
Is it?

>> No.9316303

>>9313657

Ah, a boatload of unmarried young males. What could go wrong?

>> No.9316309

>>9316282

Yes, it is true. and not good for perceived inferiority to turn you into a hateful person.

>> No.9316320

>>9316309
Okay :^)

>> No.9316339

>>9316114

That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. European colonialism improved most of the African areas they came to. People come to the West because the West lets them. If Japan opened their doors, people wouldn't come to "get back what was stolen from them", they would go because it's a developed civilization

>> No.9316354

>>9316339

CIA has operated coups and assassinations in Africa for time.

As well with similar involvements in the middle-east.

All common knowledge. Don't know If you're being intentionally ignorant or not.

>> No.9316355

>>9316117
>muh "it's self evident"

>> No.9316358

>>9316183
It's really not difficult to google regression tables if you're really too slow in the head to interpret it from context

>> No.9316362

Didn't leftists used to be AGAINST mass immigration, because they thought capitalists would just use it to fuck over the natural citizenry?