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Biblical Angelology Anonymous Wed Mar 29 10:53:34 2017 No.9309563 [Reply] [Original]

How does /lit/ feel about biblical angelolgy? It seems interesting af. Any good books on the subject?

Pic related is a Throne.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 12:45:26 2017 No.9309917 Bump

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 12:46:57 2017 No.9309921 i don't really care about angels, so i can't recommend you anything. but why are you interested in them?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 12:48:20 2017 No.9309928 >>9309563 It's early fanfiction. Cool stuff, but not theologically supported. Have you read the book of Revelations? A lot of ideas about the world beyond ours come from there.

Anonymous Wed Mar 29 12:53:31 2017 No.9309948

>>9309921
Because angels referenced throughout the Bible, which I'm currently reading. Angelology is comparable to Greek mythology in some ways. Also, I think it fascinating that angels are so different than human anatomy. They're so alien-looking.

>>9309928
Not yet, friend. I'm only on the book Isaiah right now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 12:56:53 2017 No.9309958 I believe in angels. Something good in everything I see. When I know the time is right for me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 13:18:52 2017 No.9310032 Thrones > Dominions

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 13:26:22 2017 No.9310056 Pseudo-Dionysius is what you're looking for. Maybe check out the Book of Enoch too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 19:30:34 2017 No.9311649 >>9309563 Honestly Thrones are the best forms of angels

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 19:57:44 2017 No.9311758 >>9310056 Isn't Enoch non-canonical though?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 21:46:29 2017 No.9312162 >>9311649 They look gangster af

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 21:49:56 2017 No.9312175 >>9311758 >allowing some unknown group of individuals in the past who burned books and tortured people who disagreed with them to decide which surviving works should have value to you whew lad

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 21:53:55 2017 No.9312193 File: 39 KB, 599x555, 1490759947528.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9310056 >Pseudo-Dionysius is what you're looking for. Not quite.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 23:00:48 2017 No.9312445 bump

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 23:11:51 2017 No.9312482 File: 338 KB, 538x572, laughing paint.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9309928 >>9311758 >unironically implying the biblical canon is any more "theologically supported" or reliable

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 23:14:03 2017 No.9312491 >>9312175 >Le tip

Anonymous Wed Mar 29 23:32:14 2017 No.9312553

>>9309928
Revelation. No "s". One singular Revelation of John on the island of patmos.

Angels are an odd subject. You can study them from a strictly Canontical biblical veiw, or you can dive into cultural ideas. Thats not even getting into Christophanies (apperance of Christ in the Old Testement) like Jacob wrestling with an angel. Was it an angel or was it Christ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 23:42:23 2017 No.9312584 >>9309563 it's pretty much all made up, so it's not Biblical

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 01:07:23 2017 No.9312899 >>9312584 >

Anonymous Thu Mar 30 01:18:10 2017 No.9312937
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>>9309563
Not exclusively biblical, but pic related + books by Andrei Orlov, James Davila, and Ithmar Gruenwald

>>9311758
1 Enoch is part of the Ethiopian Orthodox canon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 05:48:54 2017 No.9313450 >>9312584 >implying Go be stupid somewhere else.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 08:50:13 2017 No.9313884 Bump

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 09:07:51 2017 No.9313933 File: 171 KB, 781x1200, DEVILMAN_v01c00_p005.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] bump. Angels are interesting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 09:32:18 2017 No.9314013 Interesting fact: The angels commonly depicted in art-- the ones stereotypically depicted in human body with wings-- rank at the very bottom of the angelic hierarchy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 11:20:05 2017 No.9314392 >>9314013 How's the hierarchy?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 11:46:51 2017 No.9314495 >>9314392 Enjoy, friend: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_angelology

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 12:52:55 2017 No.9314769 File: 242 KB, 1280x1024, 1442894310084-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] eldritch-looking biblical figures are pretty cool

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 13:00:21 2017 No.9314800 File: 36 KB, 436x396, 1489524397087.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9309921 >not interested in angels

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 15:01:39 2017 No.9315367 >>9314769 Is that suppose to be a Cherubim?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 19:17:15 2017 No.9316408 >>9315367 This

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:18:15 2017 No.9317195 >>9312193 actually its exactly what you are looking for. He wrote the celestial hierarchy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:32:55 2017 No.9317234 File: 118 KB, 532x720, 1489612934518.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9317195

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:34:37 2017 No.9317238 >>9317234 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Coelesti_Hierarchia

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:35:45 2017 No.9317242 File: 15 KB, 225x240, 1489349984231.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9317238 Damn, you were right all along, anon. Sorry for being an ass. What should I read by him?

Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:40:26 2017 No.9317259

>>9317242
Pseudo-Dionysius: The Complete Works, trans. Colm Luibheid (New York: Paulist Press, 1987) [The only complete modern English translation (and the only modern English translation of The Celestial Hierarchy)

I think the Celestial Hierarchy is his only work on angelology. He also wrote about metaphysics and other such subjects. If all you're interested in is the angels then I would just try and find an English translation of the celestial hierarchy.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/dionysius/celestial

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 00:10:22 2017 No.9317344 >>9309563 There are some interesting chapters on angels in the Guide for the Perplexed, if you want to the Maimonidean perspective.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 00:16:27 2017 No.9317365 >>9317344 link?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 00:18:28 2017 No.9317372 File: 31 KB, 220x220, IMG_0721.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9310056 here. Thanks for defending me fellow goyim. If you don't mind Judaism then the Midrash and Kabbalah also talk about angels.

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 00:40:27 2017 No.9317422
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Anything you find will be wild speculation. To think that man understands the divine so clearly that we have documented hierarchical structures is absolutely ridiculous. Angels are an enormous mystery, anyone or anything claiming to have all the answers is essentially the same as someone saying they can tell you what God looks like.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 01:34:14 2017 No.9317575 >>9312491 I'm not an atheist. I was critiquing the idea of a canon, not religion itself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 01:51:49 2017 No.9317622 >>9311758 I'm pretty sure Enoch was canon to early Christians and later was removed because it was 2weird

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 01:54:53 2017 No.9317630 >>9317622 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_New_Testament_canon#Marcion_of_Sinope This is the first one. Marcion was right and he did nothing wrong.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 02:31:09 2017 No.9317727 File: 551 KB, 174x178, 1490890425456.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9317422 They are consistently referenced throughout the Bible, which was written with the Holy Spirit, you dipshit.

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 02:34:36 2017 No.9317735

>>9317727
All the same, there is a certain degree of speculation in humanity's conception of the heavenly orders. There's a general assumption that Paul's listing of the Nine Choirs is what it's assumed to be, but we can't be absolutely sure.

About the only thing we can pin down is that there are three named angels--Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael--and that they're special. Beyond that there's a certain amount of speculation.

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 02:38:34 2017 No.9317741
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>>9317735
>About the only thing we can pin down is that there are three named angels--Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael--and that they're special. Beyond that there's a certain amount of speculation.

What about Cherubim, Seraphim, and Thrones, which are referenced in detail in both Testaments?

>Beyond that there's a certain amount of speculation.

Enough with your trite meme.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 03:30:05 2017 No.9317899 >>9317735 There are more named angels than that though Uriel, Samael, Mastema, Sandalphon and Metatron to name a few

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