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What is a Mary-Sue?

>> No.923201
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>> No.923200

did you check the tropes article on the subject

if not, go there now

if so, go there now

if other, descend into madness now

>> No.923205

>>923200
where?

>> No.923208

>>923184
Pic related

>> No.923211

>>923208
lol

>> No.923209

>>923205
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tropes&l=1

>> No.923238

>>923201
This.

Its almost sad how the word has completely lost all of its meaning and now just means "a character I dont like", the same thing has happened to the word "hipster".

>> No.923244
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>>923201
>Comic sans

>> No.923251

...sauce

>> No.923253
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>>923201
>>Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way

>> No.923261

>>923244
?

>> No.923265

>>923251
Irreversible

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>>923244

*eyebrows rise*
*spit out water*
*laugh heartily*

>> No.923276

>>923244
I type everything in comic sans, just to piss off people who actually wasted their time studying typography.

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>> No.923409

>>923184
unrelated: what's the source of that gif

>> No.923432

>>923184
someone please tell me this movie!!!!!

>> No.923434

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>> No.923435

>>923409
>>923432
Irréversible (2002).

>> No.923777

>>923201
>Eragon

What?

>> No.923785

Apart from being ugly and making things look amateurish, I don't really understand all the hate about Comic Sans...

mind you, I'm not a typographer.

>> No.923786

>>923777
Granted, Eragon isn't a technically a 'Mary Sue' because of his gender but are you disputing his status as that type of character?

>> No.923797

>>923786

Considering how many idiotic things he's done in the series I hardly think he fits under the characteristics of a Mary Sue.

>> No.923799

>>923785
>ugly
>amateurish

That's what you really want to avoid in design. So that's why Comic Sans is usually a bad choice.

The only thing that really bugs me, though, is logos that use the font Papyrus.

>> No.923806

>>923797
Eragon acts like an idiot, but I don't think any of the characters in the book regard him as an idiot.

>> No.923812

>>923806
Nearly every character in the book calls him an idiot for his actions, Saphira, Arya, the elf queen, Oromis, Nasuada and Brom just to name a few.

>> No.923816

A Messiah character.
Any character that has significantly more positive attributes than negative ones.

>> No.923846

>>923797
Eragon's got some kind of a cheerleader groupie following him around. He learned how to read in about a month. Became a master in swordsmanship in about the same amount of time. He also figured out how to do magic all by himself. When Eragon does fuck up, like when he accidentally CURSES a newborn baby instead of blessing it, ultimately ruining the innocent infant's life, it is quickly forgiven and when the baby rapidly ages, ends up helping Eragon instead of being super pissed because the dork turned her into Quasimodo. And he is very clearly living Christopher Paolini's fantasies, especially when he turns into a half-elf in the second book and becomes so awesome at everything that the stingiest assholes in the book accept him into their vegan-hippy Elf society.

>> No.923857

>>923846
Also

>Eragon
>Dragon

That's definitely some more Mary Sue material.

>> No.923872

Here's that rape scene, its brutal

http://video.pornorama.com/video218721/monica_belluci_irreversible

>> No.923879

>>923846
I always thought it was funny that the elves in that book had a back-to-nature bullshit going on, especially since THE VARDEN who they supported always to me seemed to have the mentality of either the Taliban or a right-wing militia group.

>> No.923888

>>923872
Just looked up "Irreversible" and I'm pretty sure I saw the summary of the plot on the back of a book I saw a kid who sat next to me reading in middle school.

>> No.923901

>>923872
this movie is inaccurate raping someone is from inemptly trying to fuck them when they dont want you on them not yelling and beating someone up. no guy gets a hard on being angry like that.

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>>923901
>this movie is inaccurate raping someone is from inemptly trying to fuck them when they dont want you on them not yelling and beating someone up.

I think it's trying to communicate.

>> No.923925

>>923901
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape#Motivation

>> No.923941

Jesus.

>> No.923946

>>923925
have you ever been horny and wanted to take the nearest hot sexy person near you by force right then and there?
is the answer yes? then you have the mentality of a rapist.

>> No.923950

>>923201
There is no sense in which the use described in that image is "retroactive." Writer needs to learn to English.

>> No.923952

>>923284
Great, now I have an erection.

>> No.923959

>>923941
Jesus is a very good example of a Mary Sue. So are most of the heroes in the bible as a matter of fact.
So many of them can get away with acting like complete dicks for no other fact than that they have faith in God and God loves them for it.

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>>923952
In Soviet Russia, an erection has you

>> No.923969

>>923959
Almost every fantasy hero is copied from a copy of a copy that leads back to a Messiah based character of some sort, like King Arthur.

>> No.923975

>>923969
There's a reason why the anti-hero is more popular these days.

In mythology, the unbeatable warrior invariably dies at the end. If you take away that part, you just have an insufferable, perfect character.

>> No.923986

>>923946
Everybody thinks like that, that doesn't mean they're a future rapist because they're not aggressive enough to force another person into submission.

>> No.924010

>>923986
your mom's a rapist

>> No.924038

>>923986
The difference between rapists and everyone else is that rapists lack the self-control to not rape. Everyone thinks about it at one time or another, but they refrain from doing it.

>> No.924040

>>924038
Women can get away with it though. When they do it it's seduction not rape. :3

>> No.924065

>>924040
Probably because sex from a woman isn't generally painful for men unless she has a strap-on, regardless of whether or not they want it.

>> No.924073

>>924065
Why did biology make it so sex from a man is painful for a woman?
The Hell, God? :/

>> No.924074

>>924065
Exactly. Oh no, a warm squishy hole is on top of my dong vs. OH GOD I AM BLEEDING EVERYWHERE, PLEASE HELP ME I'M GOING TO DIE.

>> No.924081

>>924073
>biology
>God
pick one to blame, but on a serious note: all of nature is like this. Very few species (to be honest, none I can name off the top of my head) have pleasurable sex for females.

>> No.924085

>>924081
Then why is it that with most animal series the male pretty much just goes after a female or jumps her at random?
I dunno, from a human perspective that seems pretty close to rape and therefore pretty fucked up.

>> No.924090

>>924074
This means that male sexuality in its non-submissive form is the lowest form of evil while female sexuality in its aggressive form is always good.

The implications of this are of course that males are born monsters while females are not.

>> No.924096

>>924085
Most of animal mating is basically rape, yes. Restraining oneself is solely a human concept (and a dolphin one, I think), a conscious reign we put on our instincts to prevent ourselves from being rejected by the societal pack.

>> No.924099

>>924085
Almost all animal sex is rape. Females rape eachother, males rape everything.

>> No.924100

>>924085
Last time I checked, they weren't human, so human perspective would mean shit all to them.

>> No.924104

Some real penis-hating going on in this thread right now.

>> No.924106

>>924100
I'm uncomfortable about owning a male dog knowing what it does to female dogs without inhibition is the same thing my piece of shit rapist dad did to my mom.

>> No.924108

>>924090
>males are born monsters while females are not.
Anyone who has ever raised both a daughter and son knows this. Boys are savage to begin with and have to be trained, girls are well-behaved and open to begin with, but are trained to be catty and self-hating.

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>>924104
It's a nice relief from /r9k/'s constant back-to-the-kitchen hurr durr misogyny

>> No.924115

>>924106
Get them fixed and spray them with water if they try to rape other dogs. They can be trained to not rape quite easily.

>> No.924118

>>924104
The majority opinion is to hate the penis. A penis is like a handgun, people are uncomfortable being around it because they know what an irresponsible person can do with it and that they may very well be its victims.

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>> No.924121

>>924115
I'd rather taze the fuck out of my dog's dick if he ever tries to pull that shit.

>> No.924122

>>924118
>A penis is like a handgun, people are uncomfortable being around it because they know what an irresponsible person can do with it and that they may very well be its victims.
May I quote this? It's the most accurate description of phallic fear at a basic level that I've read.

>> No.924129

>>924038
>>923986
I can only dream of a world where I can pull down a random cute girl's pants and give her pleasure whenever I want, and she would enjoy it and love me for it.

But in real life that would be rape and I would be like a savage animal who snuck into the fold to eat the sheep.

Feels bad, man. :(

>> No.924130

>>924121
You're brave. After my great dane tried to rape my girlfriend, I realized that all "domestic" animal labels are total bullshit. A dog will rape you or kill you if they see an advantage to doing so.

>> No.924138

I love this thread. :D

Carry on.