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9199457 No.9199457 [Reply] [Original]

Nobody has ever worked a 9-5 job and made it as an artist. If you're trying this, give up your job or give up your dream.

>> No.9199477

hey but what about Kafka.

>> No.9199501

>>9199477
Barely counts. Died without any recognition and didn't finish dick

>> No.9199715

>>9199457
well you're forgetting about every professor who has published fiction ever. But we won't count that because we'll assume you will be stubborn and rigid.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-anthony-jones/famous-author-day-jobs_b_5724482.html

pleb list but still counts: https://www.bustle.com/articles/101251-the-jobs-13-famous-writers-had-before-they-became-best-selling-authors

patrician list: http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2017/03/03/when_we_rise_review_it_s_a_mess_but_maybe_the_mess_we_need.html

pretty good writers list: https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2012/nov/26/writers-other-careers

mixed bag, some repeats: http://www.businessinsider.com/first-jobs-of-famous-writers-2012-10#after-his-father-was-arrested-charles-dickens-was-sent-to-work-in-a-shoe-polish-factory-14

repeats: http://mentalfloss.com/article/31026/early-jobs-24-famous-writers

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9199907

hey man. everybody needs some of schedule

>> No.9199913

>>9199907
*kind

>> No.9199947

>>9199907
sobriety is a scam but great writers can mostly manage under such (4:95) inhuman sanctions

>> No.9199959

>>9199907
Jesus that's terrible. But yeah I feel like I would like to try, were I not living my 'daily life' and actually had money. How did he got money for all that?

>> No.9200084

>>9199959
Writing stuff

>> No.9200095

>the job allows for me to listen to audiobooks 8 hours a day

It's almost like I'm getting paid to read.

>> No.9200117

>>9199907
wow, what a load of bullshit

>> No.9200154
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>>9200095
What are you a babysitter or in IT

>> No.9200331

I read on Wikipedia that Wallace Stevens debunks your argument.

>> No.9200336

>>9199457
What about a 4-5 job?

>> No.9200337

>>9199907
Degenerate bullshit and he was a hack

>> No.9200341

>>9199457
i'll take sheltered white guy opinions for twenty bucks

>> No.9200367
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>> No.9200378

george saunders

>> No.9200381

>>9199457
>>9200336

>> No.9200412

>>9200331
poems take like 5 mins. to write, hence:

spinning spinning on the piano bench,
"i do not have many commitments,"
you say, or don't, and blithely wrench
from the dusty boards sweet music intense
knowing, somehow (i know not), how a piano works

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>>9200336
This could work

>> No.9200428

>>9200421
if not, how do you keep yourself alive?

>> No.9200433

>>9200331
I read on Wikipedia that Wallace Stevens was mediocre at best

>> No.9200443

>>9200412
Probably the most embarrassing post i've ever read on /lit/

>> No.9200444
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>>9200428

>> No.9200446

>>9200443
wallace stevens wrote that you imbecile

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>>9200444

>> No.9200450

>>9200446
I am so happy about this exchange

>> No.9200457

>>9200446
Yeah, i'm obviously not talking about the poem part, you fucking idiot.

>> No.9200471

>>9200457
Some poetry is good, some poetry sucks. All suck poetry is written by conservatives with 9-5 jobs at insurance companies. Wallace Stevens? Sucky.

>> No.9200481

>>9199457
How do you live without a job? Any concrete solutions, besides memes?

>> No.9200483

>>9200471
Yeah man, it's like there's not 7+ hours you can do whatever the fuck you want.
And i'm not for the 9-5, but saying you cant do shit having a normal job is the sort of retarded dogma that for some meme reason flies here.

>> No.9200488

>>9200483
It makes me Sad is all. I come home and can barely read I'm so tired. All I have the energy for is shitposting and going to sleep.

>> No.9200491

>>9200481

prisons have liberies maybe if I go to prison I can just read and write all day, no distractions.

>> No.9200495

>>9200491
I said besides memes

>> No.9200501

>>9200495
Gardens. Drinking from the Hudson

>> No.9200503

>>9200488
I feel you, it's not easy. But if gass-kun can churn out 8 literal tomes, you can write one book.
Not that i know what your job entails.

>> No.9200505

>>9200491
I love the idea of prison being a place of no distractions.

>> No.9200515

>>9200505
Prison is at least forthcoming about its nature.

>> No.9200516

Heaps of writers from the 20th century worked regular jobs

Maybe not 9-5, but at least 3 to 4 times a week

>> No.9200519

>>9200505
Same. Gramsci wrote his magnum (and almost unique) opus in prison. I wouldn't bear not seeing places and nature, though

>> No.9200523

>>9200515
I guess. And in scandinavian countries it's literally exactly what you were suggesting with your meme post.

>> No.9200525

>>9200516
3 or 4 times a week for 8-9 hours?

>> No.9200532

>>9200523
Not much of a deterrent. Unfortunately I'd be sent to rikers island

>> No.9200571

bump

>> No.9200912

>>9200154
more like a night watch.

>> No.9200916
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9200916

>if I just had more time I could be a good writer

>> No.9200925

>>9200095
>audiobook
>read

pls staph

>> No.9202147

Back in the day, authors who made it through patronage still had full time jobs. Usually tutoring, bookkeeping, administration, etc...

>> No.9202201

>>9199457
you're a moron

>> No.9202459

>>9200912
I fraid of ghosts

>> No.9202461

>>9199457

>globalisation
>9-5 job

HAHAHAHA

It's either 8-6 or a zero-hour contract position. The latter is fine for artistry. Just make sure your parents are middle-class.

>> No.9202480

>>9202461
>zero-hour contract position
what are you talking about?

>> No.9202538

>>9202461
Whys this funny? I work literally from 9-5 every day of every week.

>globalization

What?

>> No.9202545

>>9202201
Great point

>> No.9202569

>>9200912
kek why are there so many people on 4chan who are nightwatchmen

>> No.9202571

>>9202569
Easy job to get into. Minimal qualifications. Most people on /here/ are in their early 20s.

>> No.9202602

>>9200433
Get out

>> No.9202634

>>9202571
Is it stressful? Do you have to stand on your feet all the time?

>> No.9202697

>>9199457
As much as you probably hate Bukowski, he did "make it" as a successful author and that wasn't until he had already spent most of his life working at a post office

Plus how am I supposed to have the will to stop shitposting in my spare time!?!?!?

>> No.9203008

>>9202697
this

>> No.9203078

>>9199501
Also worked part time

>> No.9203092

>>9199501
>recognition
kys

>> No.9203097
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9203097

>tfw have been NEET for five years and haven't written a single page
>used to write plenty as a student and wagie

If you have unlimited time there is no urgency to do anything. If you are not unsatisfied you don't pursue goals.

Which is not a bad thing by the way, it's the final redpill. When you get into that natural human state like our ancestors who did pretty much fuck all except (easily) aquire the next meal and casually fuck someone near you, this neurotic desire to be productive, to leave a mark, to make something of yourself et cetera drops away.

>> No.9203100

Gene "The Meme" Wolfe

>> No.9203139

What about Philip Larkin?

>> No.9203146

>>9203097
this. occupying your mind day in and day out with anxiety about not busting your ass to do x, or making sure you read all the newspapers to be informed, or watching e! true hollywood story, or preparing your meals for the week so you can be in perfect shape - it's all the same. just ragie-tier shit in another form: self-imposed.

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>>9199501
Fuck, I want to refute this but can't

>> No.9203303

>he doesn't read/write at work

Doing it wrong m8

>> No.9203389

>>9199457
Glenn Cook
Anthony Trollope
Faulkner
Joseph Heller
TS Eliot
Wallace Stevens
all had steady jobs while writing until their big break. Some just kept working

>> No.9203403

>>9203389
Now name some legitimate artists with talent

>> No.9203409

>>9203303
How does one read at work? I work for the government they monitor my computer.

>> No.9203412

>>9203403
this

>> No.9203415

>>9203403
Please. Faulkner is god-tier, and Catch-22 has solid reviews on Goodreads.

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>>9199457
The struggle towards my dream is enough to satisfy me.

>> No.9203559

>>9203092
Oh yeah? Was he recognized during his lifetime?

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9203860

Last night I decided to give up.

Feels so fucking good.

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9203870

>>9203415
>Catch-22 has solid reviews on Goodreads

>> No.9204885

>>9203870
Yeah what, are you too good for the popular vote?

>> No.9205923

Well you just keep writing short stories, publish enough of them, use your portfolio to work in the industry and then writing and your work sort of become the same domain and it's a work that is sympathetic to your literary pursuits.

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>>9199501
>died without any recognition

As if you can take "recognition" with you into the nothingness of death

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>>9205942
How's middle school

>> No.9205986

>>9205961
Fine m8y

My point is, whether or not he (Kafka) was recognized during his lifetime has nothing to do with the quality of his writing, and neither does your "recognition." If you think popularity and success define a "great" artist you're the definition of a pseud